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SueCarol wrote: What can we do to get truth in sentencing. We need to do away with parole all together.
If a court gives 5 years, then 5 years must be served.
Can we petition for our legislators to enact something like that and would the judiciary have to abide by it.
There is no Parole in the Federal System and there are a few states that dont have Parole.
The big argument to keep Parole is when they are released there is nothing to hold over there heads to keep them to stay straight while on Parole or Probation. I say if they are going to break the law, holding a few years over there head is not going to make a difference. Like I said before at least 80% of the people I arrest ESP drug cases are not 1st time offenders or even second or third time.
Just look at the Philly Sgt that was killed last weekend all three of the trash arrested for his murder were out on Parole for Violent offences and should have stil been in Prison.
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: We need a tougher judge in the District Court. Dope dealers make enough money to not sweat a short stretch in the county can, its just part of the cost of doing business. If they got a year or 2 in the state joint for a first offense selling they might be a little less likely to want to engage in the business. Plea bargaining a selling charge down to simple possession should also be eliminated.
Thats one reason i left working in dorchester Cnty. TOOOOO many times I had good PWID cases droped to possession at the Pre-lim and end up taking a Paraphernalia charge when it came to trial date. All without my consent. I cant count the number of times I was told by states Atty it was none of my concern told me to stick to locking them up and She will worry about the rest. I Hope the NEW states Atty is better there.
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| We need a tougher judge in the District Court. Dope dealers make enough money to not sweat a short stretch in the county can, its just part of the cost of doing business. If they got a year or 2 in the state joint for a first offense selling they might be a little less likely to want to engage in the business. Plea bargaining a selling charge down to simple possession should also be eliminated.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:44 pm |
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What can we do to get truth in sentencing. We need to do away with parole all together.
If a court gives 5 years, then 5 years must be served.
Can we petition for our legislators to enact something like that and would the judiciary have to abide by it.
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DorCouNtyGirL wrote: AGREED!! So what is something we could do...it's getting out of control, not only just the drugs but people on drugs get so desperate and it leads to break-ins, robberies, etc. With gas prices going up and up and up not only people on drugs but just normal people will be desperate just to survive....what to do what to do its just awful. 
One way to solve the problem is to make criminals serve some real time for thier CRIMES. It is very very RARE that I arrest a first timer. I have locked up guys before with 40+ arrests on there record. Just last week I arrested a guy for dope that was released two months ago after only serving 18 months of a 7 year sentence for the rape of a 13yr old. HE should not have been out to get arrested.
If the courts start putting people in Jail and making them serve real time for crimes then they will not be able to commit new crimes.
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manworking wrote: What are you people talking about? I like how CC agrees with me, yet you've decided to still vomit my name all over the screen.
I've already made this clear that I respect and appreciate police. I have never once written, spoken, or even suggested one of the many foolish excuses or bits you so kindly reminisce about.
My concern is that many of you seem to think being a honest police officer voids any mistakes they make by default. No mistake should go unchecked, from the biggest to the smallest. Filing the paperwork incorrectly is a mistake, and it has been mentioned by some of you as to how costly that small mistake can be.
I understand you cannot get passed your hurt egos when you passive-aggressively attack my position, and I come back and attack yours. I understand it's a bigger kid picking on the smaller kids in this situation, but sleep in the beds you made. Negative comments directly aimed toward me were thrown first.
You stupid rednecks.
You act like the officers intentionally made a mistake so the drug dealer got off. Trust me when a mistake is made we do what we can to fix the problem and do it right the next time.
Have I ever made a mistake SURE everyone does. Have I lost a case because I made a mistake SURE have. Did I feel terrible, Your Damn right I did. Should I be fired, written up, burned at the stake NO. Should Officers be held to a higher standard YES and I can assure you nobody's standards are Higher then My Own. That being said will I ever make a Mistake again yes.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 01:41 pm |
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| AGREED!! So what is something we could do...it's getting out of control, not only just the drugs but people on drugs get so desperate and it leads to break-ins, robberies, etc. With gas prices going up and up and up not only people on drugs but just normal people will be desperate just to survive....what to do what to do its just awful.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 01:38 pm |
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The issue I am presenting is very relevant. Drug investigations, arrests, and convictions need to be properly performed in order to avoid any loop-hole exonerations and/or dismissals.
The fact that people are saying, "Who cares? He did the crime, so what about all the minute supporting details," is not a proper solution, nor will it lead to diminished drug activity.
Do the job properly. There is a reason for a system, and why people off the street can't walk into a station and say, "I want to be a cop!"
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 01:35 pm |
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I agree It's not worth our time to bicker.
Back to drugs on the street issues.
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My opinion is that someone needs to be big enough to stop bickering so the true issue of the thread can be discussed instead of who dislikes who. If you people would like to continue that part of the discussion please do so by PM.
Thank You
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big mac attack wrote: There really is no point in debating with people like manworking that’s one of the ugly sides of Law Enforcement there will always be people who hate you just because you wear a uniform.
Some of my Fav. Comments are:
"I Pay Your Salary"
"I make twice your salary"
"Why you messing with me there people out there killing people go catch them"
"You were just picked on in school that’s why you’re a cop"
"You stopped me for speeding why are you not out catching the drug dealers"
"Why you arresting me go catch a real criminal"
"You’re to scared to go into the Hood that’s why you’re messing with me"
That is how I am sure. Your comment proves you attack whatever I say regardless because you cannot even connect the dots of previous posts.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:55 pm |
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LMAO... you sir are rediculous....go back to bed and try rolling out on the other side...Mr. Negative. 
P.S.-How are you so sure they are speaking of you with those comments...guilty conscience or just so full of yourself that you think everyone thinks and speaks of you....the world may never know.
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| hahahah omg that was freaking hilarious! You are just tooooo funny manworking... Now that you've vented your pathetic little feelings about how everyone is against you (boo hoo) ...you can go crawl back into your hole Thanks!
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What are you people talking about? I like how CC agrees with me, yet you've decided to still vomit my name all over the screen.
I've already made this clear that I respect and appreciate police. I have never once written, spoken, or even suggested one of the many foolish excuses or bits you so kindly reminisce about.
My concern is that many of you seem to think being a honest police officer voids any mistakes they make by default. No mistake should go unchecked, from the biggest to the smallest. Filing the paperwork incorrectly is a mistake, and it has been mentioned by some of you as to how costly that small mistake can be.
I understand you cannot get passed your hurt egos when you passive-aggressively attack my position, and I come back and attack yours. I understand it's a bigger kid picking on the smaller kids in this situation, but sleep in the beds you made. Negative comments directly aimed toward me were thrown first.
You stupid rednecks.
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| or the ever popular No habla English,Senor
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4thekids wrote: Lets not forget " I wasn't the only one speeding"
Or, "You just pulled me over 'cause you couldn't catch them!"
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But officer, thats not crack, My granny asked me to bring her a block of baking soda and a bag of parshley flakes....
Oh, by the way sir, Got Milk?
Attachment: drugfree.JPG (Downloaded 189 times)
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the #1 best is, right after you pull a bag of crack out of a guys pants, at least 2 out of 3 times you will hear"
"Officer these are not my pants"
I Love that one
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| Lets not forget " I wasn't the only one speeding"
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| Your'e just picking on me because I'm _______. (insert your favorite ethinc gender or criminal group in the blank)
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There really is no point in debating with people like manworking that’s one of the ugly sides of Law Enforcement there will always be people who hate you just because you wear a uniform.
Some of my Fav. Comments are:
"I Pay Your Salary"
"I make twice your salary"
"Why you messing with me there people out there killing people go catch them"
"You were just picked on in school that’s why you’re a cop"
"You stopped me for speeding why are you not out catching the drug dealers"
"Why you arresting me go catch a real criminal"
"You’re to scared to go into the Hood that’s why you’re messing with me"
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A policeman's prayer Author unknown
Lord, I ask for courage;
Courage to face and conquer my own fears...
Courage to take me where others will not go.
I ask for strength;
Strength of body to protect others...
Strength of spirit to lead others.
I ask dedication;
Dedication to my job to do it well...
Dedication to my community to keep it safe.
Give me, Lord, concern;
For all those who trust me...
And compassion for those who need me
And, please, Lord, through it all; be at my side. Last edited on Thu May 8th, 2008 09:03 pm by Farmer
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| As far as the failure to appear, I am not sure what you are suggesting. If caught, those individuals will suffer the consequences of their actions, much like how I am proposing we hold officers, lawyers, and everyone else accountable for their actions.
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Corn Nugget wrote: How about where the officer does do what is necessary, from the stop or pickup, through the paper work, maybe even with a life threatening situation, to only have the trial botched by the States Attorney's office, the Judge looking at the officer with eyes rolling and saying Case Dismissed. I have seen that more than once. OR, the officer that has jumped through all the hoops and the criminal fails to show up, FTA (Norton has a rubber stamp for that now I am sure), another day wasted from either leisure time, patrol time or filling out paper time. I have seen that many times.
Then the States Attorney needs to be reprimanded. I am not proposing attacking officers for the sake of it. The issue was that these are "just mistakes". There are reasons for structured processes, or else people would be clamoring about "unwarranted actions or brutality".
So what if it is a mistake and all humans make mistakes, it does not immunize you from ridicule because there is a chance other people can make the same mistake.
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| How about where the officer does do what is necessary, from the stop or pickup, through the paper work, maybe even with a life threatening situation, to only have the trial botched by the States Attorney's office, the Judge looking at the officer with eyes rolling and saying Case Dismissed. I have seen that more than once. OR, the officer that has jumped through all the hoops and the criminal fails to show up, FTA (Norton has a rubber stamp for that now I am sure), another day wasted from either leisure time, patrol time or filling out paper time. I have seen that many times.
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CC07 wrote: Well god forbid a crime happens to one of you or someone you love, and the criminal gets off because of sloppy paperwork...lets see how you feel about it then.
I have many friends that are local police officers or retired MSP and have great respect for them, and thank god that there are people willing to do the things they are required to do. Yes they are human and make mistakes, but I don't think thats a very good excuse. As manworking said, they need to be held to a higher standard. It may not be a regular problem, I don't know. I heard that the same officer that had done the paperwork for the guy on trial also had done paperwork for another guy that got off because his paperwork was also done sloppy. I don't think he even got to go to trial though. I find this a problem, how only manworking seems to agree with me also amazes me. I guess we are just supposed to trust that all police tell the truth and never lie and hold them on a pedestal!
Thank you. I am not saying all police officers make these mistakes, but those that do should definitely be reprimanded and lectured on procedural duties. If there have been numerous offenses, I cannot suggest anything other than letting go that officer. Anyone will tell you that jobs with high standards of due care have a seemingly never-ending paper trail.Last edited on Thu May 8th, 2008 08:09 pm by manworking
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Well god forbid a crime happens to one of you or someone you love, and the criminal gets off because of sloppy paperwork...lets see how you feel about it then.
I have many friends that are local police officers or retired MSP and have great respect for them, and thank god that there are people willing to do the things they are required to do. Yes they are human and make mistakes, but I don't think thats a very good excuse. As manworking said, they need to be held to a higher standard. It may not be a regular problem, I don't know. I heard that the same officer that had done the paperwork for the guy on trial also had done paperwork for another guy that got off because his paperwork was also done sloppy. I don't think he even got to go to trial though. I find this a problem, how only manworking seems to agree with me also amazes me. I guess we are just supposed to trust that all police tell the truth and never lie and hold them on a pedestal!
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meinmd wrote: manworking wrote:
, but I play a fair game and ridicule everyone just as much as the next.
Which is why nobody cares for you.
I don't care for most of you, but I still debate with valid points and not just scream at my computer terminal and appeal to the emotions of others like me. The fact that the masses of this board cannot revolt against me shows how misguided the most of you are.
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xangolove wrote: manworking wrote:
Did you even read my post? It shows thoroughly why this suggestion is ridiculous - just because you are unhappy with something does not mean you can do a better job or are even remotely qualified to do so. Everyone critiques government officials, but doesn't even have the intention of running for a chairmen of the PTA (if they even have chairmen?).
Well if you don't think you can do a better job than quit your b****ing. If your going to judge people or critique them then please, enlighten us how you would solve "error" issues.
Don't you dare vote in this presidential election unless you will be declaring your candidacy next term. By voting for one, you are critiquing another and I just won't stand for it.
By the way, if your sarcasm radar is broken, this post's sarcastic undertone is seeping onto your keyboard.
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manworking wrote:
, but I play a fair game and ridicule everyone just as much as the next.
Which is why nobody cares for you.
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xangolove wrote: "Stupid" mistakes are the easiest ones to make. I can understand your frustration about the seriousness of the simple mistakes that can be made, but S*%$ happens. Like I posted early manworking, why do YOU try it?
The issue is everyone is crucifying me because, for one: it is me, and two: because I have suggested that these small, human mistakes have some of the most serious consequences. That is insane to me!
Complaining about the fact you made a mistake and saying, "It's the form's fault," or anything resembling you not owning up to the error is something I will not accept.
As stated before, police are held to a higher standard, but I play a fair game and ridicule everyone just as much as the next.
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| Good post Xangolove!! That is exactly my point. Manworking how DO YOU propose we fix all of these problems??
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manworking wrote:
Did you even read my post? It shows thoroughly why this suggestion is ridiculous - just because you are unhappy with something does not mean you can do a better job or are even remotely qualified to do so. Everyone critiques government officials, but doesn't even have the intention of running for a chairmen of the PTA (if they even have chairmen?).
Well if you don't think you can do a better job than quit your b****ing. If your going to judge people or critique them then please, enlighten us how you would solve "error" issues.
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| "Stupid" mistakes are the easiest ones to make. I can understand your frustration about the seriousness of the simple mistakes that can be made, but S*%$ happens. Like I posted early manworking, why do YOU try it?
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DorCouNtyGirL wrote: Is that right...thats funny!!
Manworking....your post deserves no response as it is rude and does not make much good sense. It seems as though you are personally frustrated and have a personal issue with something that has taken you down this road of dislike of everything you speak of. You speak too generally of everything, just because one police officer makes one mistake does not necessarily mean he will make another mistake nor does it mean that every cop will make that mistake. Bottom line EVERYONE makes mistakes no matter how severe the consequences it HAPPENS. No one ESPECIALLY you is perfect.
Your ideals are ridiculous and if you don't like and can't deal with the personalities and the opinions on this forum than the best thing I can tell you is go where ever yous fits....obviously doesn't look like this is the place.
Guess we will just have to agree on disagreeing!! Business as usual!
What doesn't make sense? I am willing to clarify.
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xangolove wrote: Maybe you should join the police force manworking? See for yourself what our "public servants" go through daily...
Did you even read my post? It shows thoroughly why this suggestion is ridiculous - just because you are unhappy with something does not mean you can do a better job or are even remotely qualified to do so. Everyone critiques government officials, but doesn't even have the intention of running for a chairmen of the PTA (if they even have chairmen?).
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I have a friend that lives on the outskirts of hurlock on a road that has become quite busy with traffic as there are not many houses on it. The other day she was going home and nearly got run off the road by this car, as she turned down her driveway she looked back only to see that very same car making a deal right in front of her property. She's scared to death to be home by herself not to mention when the kids are home. This is happening WAY too close to home. What is anyone supposed to do? 
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thinkfirst wrote: You are welcome, manworking.
Yes, everyone makes mistakes, and yes we do (and should) hold police, doctors, firemen, etc. to a higher standard. But your words (and maybe it's just the way they're read and not the intent) seem intended to make people feel stupid.
As far as police and the general audience of this forum, if you do not think inaccurately completing a form or forgetting the date of an occurrence is a stupid mistake, you are lying to yourself. Everyone does it - when you perform a complicated mathematical equation and illy subtract or add a figure, you say to yourself, "That was a stupid mistake." It is the same thing.
When people attack my critiques without merit, I deem them to be stupid. People placing blame on others is also stupid. The chances of you being stupid is directly proportional to how offended you are about the "intent" of my comments that do not directly address you.
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Is that right...thats funny!!
Manworking....your post deserves no response as it is rude and does not make much good sense. It seems as though you are personally frustrated and have a personal issue with something that has taken you down this road of dislike of everything you speak of. You speak too generally of everything, just because one police officer makes one mistake does not necessarily mean he will make another mistake nor does it mean that every cop will make that mistake. Bottom line EVERYONE makes mistakes no matter how severe the consequences it HAPPENS. No one ESPECIALLY you is perfect.
Your ideals are ridiculous and if you don't like and can't deal with the personalities and the opinions on this forum than the best thing I can tell you is go where ever yous fits....obviously doesn't look like this is the place.
Guess we will just have to agree on disagreeing!! Business as usual!
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| Maybe you should join the police force manworking? See for yourself what our "public servants" go through daily...
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| I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I was just trying to get back to the original issue this thread was started for.
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meinmd wrote: mother in need of help wrote: I am a mother of three and would like to know what is being done about the drugs in this town. I have lived on my street for 6 years and every summer i have to keep my kids in the house most of the time cause of the drug use and dealings on my street. I want to know what the police are doing about it. Why should my kids be punished for the drug dealers in this town? Why are the drug dealers on the street and my kids can't be? Will someone please let me know why. Thank you very concerned mother.
Let's get back to the original issue of this post. It definitely not about humans making mistakes.
It is an issue; we cannot expect any resolution if those enlisted with the authority cannot follow through with the procedural demands.
It is also an issue because this board has made in an issue. I made one passing remark related to a previous comment and everyone has practically exploded on me, deeming me ungrateful for police service. These attacks happen all too often, and I will be relentless in pursuing this issue.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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You are welcome, manworking.
Yes, everyone makes mistakes, and yes we do (and should) hold police, doctors, firemen, etc. to a higher standard. But your words (and maybe it's just the way they're read and not the intent) seem intended to make people feel stupid.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:21 pm |
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| I also agree.....
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:20 pm |
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| yeah let's not get off topic....I think we all know what happens
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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mother in need of help wrote: I am a mother of three and would like to know what is being done about the drugs in this town. I have lived on my street for 6 years and every summer i have to keep my kids in the house most of the time cause of the drug use and dealings on my street. I want to know what the police are doing about it. Why should my kids be punished for the drug dealers in this town? Why are the drug dealers on the street and my kids can't be? Will someone please let me know why. Thank you very concerned mother.
Let's get back to the original issue of this post. It's definitely not about humans making mistakes.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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DorCouNtyGirL wrote: Sounds like someone just needs to get over themselves....
P.S. Trying to use Big words only works when used correctly and in the correct context.....
Good thing your not a police officer EVERYONE would be getting off the hook! 
It sounds like someone needs to address my actual statement like I do with others.
I am fine with you pointing out any immaterial mistakes I've made, as long as you also respond to the seriousness of the issue at hand and the material items I've put forth.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:11 pm |
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manworking wrote: It is ridiculous that you people construe my criticism as being unappreciative, but it is blatantly obvious you are mocking me for a rumor that I am involved in the fast food service - a rumor a perpetuated at that.
The problem with most of you is that you are stupidly cemented in your convictions that are almost consistently contradictions (someone get me a podium, a rhyme scheme such as this is criminal to go unused in public speaking - CrimeCruncher I need you on this). Criticism is offensive when it is directed toward something you hold dear, like some of the disgusting watermen, worthless police officers, etc. - but when it involves something completely foreign to your world of "normalcy", such as corporate controllers, lawyers, etc., you all form a little coalition to condemn these people.
I am constantly plagued with the tag-line from idiots and invalids alike: "If you don't like it, why don't you do it?" Well if you don't like the executives cutting retirement benefits, or lawyers advising clients on loop-hole litigation, why don't you do it? See how idiotic that is when it is thrown your way?
I appreciate law enforcement, but I won't settle for the excuse of "it is hard". Yes, it is a tough job, but it is a job you chose and you damn well better do what is expected and don't place blame on others for your mistakes.
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Some miscellaneous items: As you can probably tell from the above composition, I most likely do not work in fast food, but who knows?
Police officers are public servants; you do not have to quote my statement as if it is not a common reference to the discussion. I deduce that you've done this to infer that it is somehow offensive to refer to someone as a servant. I've also deducted your most likely below average intelligence.
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