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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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thinkfirst wrote: IQ just below 140. And I would've used the word 'deduce'.
Being as your last post in this discussion was April 12th, I highly doubt I was speaking to you about your intelligence level. Thanks for bragging though, I've never tested my IQ nor do I care.
I'll be sure to change my typo.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:04 pm |
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Sounds like someone just needs to get over themselves....
P.S. Trying to use Big words only works when used correctly and in the correct context.....
Good thing your not a police officer EVERYONE would be getting off the hook! 
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| IQ just below 140. And I would've used the word 'deduce'.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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It is ridiculous that you people construe my criticism as being unappreciative, but it is blatantly obvious you are mocking me for a rumor that I am involved in the fast food service - a rumor a perpetuated at that.
The problem with most of you is that you are stupidly cemented in your convictions that are almost consistently contradictions (someone get me a podium, a rhyme scheme such as this is criminal to go unused in public speaking - CrimeCruncher I need you on this). Criticism is offensive when it is directed toward something you hold dear, like some of the disgusting watermen, worthless police officers, etc. - but when it involves something completely foreign to your world of "normalcy", such as corporate controllers, lawyers, etc., you all form a little coalition to condemn these people.
I am constantly plagued with the tag-line from idiots and invalids alike: "If you don't like it, why don't you do it?" Well if you don't like the executives cutting retirement benefits, or lawyers advising clients on loop-hole litigation, why don't you do it? See how idiotic that is when it is thrown your way?
I appreciate law enforcement, but I won't settle for the excuse of "it is hard". Yes, it is a tough job, but it is a job you chose and you damn well better do what is expected and don't place blame on others for your mistakes.
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Some miscellaneous items: As you can probably tell from the above composition, I most likely do not work in fast food, but who knows?
Police officers are public servants; you do not have to quote my statement as if it is not a common reference to the discussion. I deduce that you've done this to infer that it is somehow offensive to refer to someone as a servant. I've also deducted your most likely below average intelligence.
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crimecruncher - Thanks for all your years of service and dedication.
To All the Current Law Enforcement Personnel: Thanks for you dedication and service, without you people I would crawl into a hole and hide.
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| MUCH respect for all yall do!!
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| This (retired) cop has a college degree and loads of in-service education and training, and still had trouble with some of the forms we had to fill out. Contrary to your statement we didn't fill out the same forms for years, it seemed like everytime some judge or politician got a wild hair they changed the stupid things, or changed the codes you used to fill them out. Just filling out what should have been a 'simple' motor vehicle accident report was an adventure. The narrative, you know, Roses are red, violets are blue, vehicle one struck vehicle two was the easiest part. Getting all the code numbers exactly correct for whether or not the driver was wearing a seatbelt, was drinking etc etc ad infinitum took a manual an inch thick to get all the coded info right.
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WOW Thanks for pointing out my spelling error...seems you are pretty good at that maybe instead of working the food line you should be the spell checker for the order boards!!. I would certainly only hope you are as perfect as you think everyone else should be.
And no my reason for asking that question was not because I work there, but that for a second I thought that you might be able to answer because that would be in your job Field, obviously not though as that would be a job in a way higher Field than you would be qualified for. Have a nice Day, and you might want to pray that you don't need these "public servants" as you seem to not appreciate their line of work and feel as though they are not qualified to do their jobs...they may not be able to help the almighty "perfect" MANWORKING.
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DorCouNtyGirL wrote: Manworking....I think in your feild of work you can answer my question....When I go to McDonalds and ask for a PLAIN cheeseburger and they put EVERYTHING on it and on top of that FORGET my fries, would you get fired for doing that?? Bet NOT or there would be a person fired EVERYDAY, you can bet on that!!
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You've also edited your post and still misspelled field. It seems like you are the general manager of Mickey-D's just airing some grievances about corporate red-tape whilst firing someone.
Edit - I forgot to put some CAPS in my post.
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DorCouNtyGirL wrote: Manworking....I think in your feild of work you can answer my question....When I go to McDonalds and ask for a PLAIN cheeseburger and they put EVERYTHING on it and on top of that FORGET my fries, would you get fired for doing that?? Bet NOT or there would be a person fired EVERYDAY, you can bet on that!!
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That cheeseburger is mugging you afterward. Cops are held to a much higher standard than your general buffoon at McDonald's.
P.S. - I'd like to see those people at McDonald's fired, but I'd also like to see the idiotic cops that cannot complete a form they've apparently been filing for years on end fired.
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Manworking....I think in your feild of work you can answer my question....When I go to McDonalds and ask for a PLAIN cheeseburger and they put EVERYTHING on it and on top of that FORGET my fries, would you get fired for doing that?? Bet NOT or there would be a person fired EVERYDAY, you can bet on that!!
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: Cops are human and humans make mistakes.
I think crimecruncher said it best. They are human and human make mistakes. I'm sure if the mistakes become excessive that something is done either punishment or termination.
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Jimmi Crack Corn wrote: manworking wrote: Police should get ridiculed to no end for these mistakes, especially those that cost convictions due to such carelessness.
Police enter the job knowing full well that they need to exercise an extreme duty of care, exceeding that of your average person. They should be condemned for these, let's face it, STUPID mistakes because not making said mistakes is what their job entails.
Police work is the only job out there where the public knows the job better then the officer. If you the jury see defendant on tape dealing drugs YOU let him go because the date was wrong? The wrong date negates the act? A drug deal is a drug deal is a drug deal!
Policemen are public servants and need to be subjected to the highest of scrutiny. If you can't accomplish something as simple as recording the correct date, how am I supposed to trust you in any other matter?
It is my belief that the admissions requirements for police need to be raised. It'd reduce the force, but it will be quality over quantity.
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Jimmi Crack Corn wrote: manworking wrote: Police should get ridiculed to no end for these mistakes, especially those that cost convictions due to such carelessness.
Police enter the job knowing full well that they need to exercise an extreme duty of care, exceeding that of your average person. They should be condemned for these, let's face it, STUPID mistakes because not making said mistakes is what their job entails.
Police work is the only job out there where the public knows the job better then the officer. If you the jury see defendant on tape dealing drugs YOU let him go because the date was wrong? The wrong date negates the act? A drug deal is a drug deal is a drug deal!
Yea but how can you be for sure that the guy on trial is the guy doing the drug deal when the date on the tape is different then the date the police say the transaction happened and the description is off?? That wouldn't put a little bit of doubt in your mind?? Say he was wearing a hoodie and glasses, how can you really be sure? Thats why evidence is so important!
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manworking wrote: Police should get ridiculed to no end for these mistakes, especially those that cost convictions due to such carelessness.
Police enter the job knowing full well that they need to exercise an extreme duty of care, exceeding that of your average person. They should be condemned for these, let's face it, STUPID mistakes because not making said mistakes is what their job entails.
Police work is the only job out there where the public knows the job better then the officer. If you the jury see defendant on tape dealing drugs YOU let him go because the date was wrong? The wrong date negates the act? A drug deal is a drug deal is a drug deal!
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big mac attack wrote: manworking wrote: Police should get ridiculed to no end for these mistakes, especially those that cost convictions due to such carelessness.
Police enter the job knowing full well that they need to exercise an extreme duty of care, exceeding that of your average person. They should be condemned for these, let's face it, STUPID mistakes because not making said mistakes is what their job entails.
Ill remember that next time you over cook my french fries
I'll be sure to catch you at the Dairy Queen at 9:30 in the morning while on your shift.
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thinkfirst wrote: CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: Taking drunk drivers before a jury is a joke, there is almost always one person sitting in the jury box who thinks that they could be the next one arrested for DWI.
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Even if everything is perfect you do all that work correctly and the dealer gets under a Year in jail and is back on the streets in nine months selling again and now when you try to investigate him again you get sued by his lawyer for Harassment of their client.
Those 2 sentences indicate to me the frustration law enforcement feels.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:52 pm |
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| Think, where did you get that out of anything said?
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: Party of the problem with the jury system is there is usually one person on the jury because they were not bright enough to figure out a way to get excused, they seem to always fall for the most outrageous excuses that the defense can come up with. Taking drunk drivers before a jury is a joke, there is almost always one person sitting in the jury box who thinks that they could be the next one arrested for DWI.
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Now take a 6 month long investigation with UC work, Search Warrants, multiple arrests and we are easily into the 1000's of pages of forms. Attention to detail is very important but we are HUMAN and do make mistakes. Even if everything is perfect you do all that work correctly and the dealer gets under a Year in jail and is back on the streets in nine months selling again and now when you try to investigate him again you get sued by his lawyer for Harassment of their client.
It sounds to me like a big problem when law enforcement officers are feeling like arresting the bad guys is a waste of time since the system is so screwed up. How about NOT letting the bad guys win... what can us regular people do to get rid of the creeps from our neighborhoods and schools??? How can we help? I sure do like the fog horn blowing idea (just kidding)... really, what can we do? Neighborhood watch?
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| I know a cops job is very stressful and hard and in no way am I trying minimize that. My whole point was, it seems like these were preventable mistakes that could have been corrected. Why didn't the police department take the time to make sure that the date was correct when recording video; and if there is a team of lawyers looking at the paperwork for 6 months, why didn't it get fixed? If you are going to go out and risk your life, why not do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again?
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manworking wrote: Police should get ridiculed to no end for these mistakes, especially those that cost convictions due to such carelessness.
Police enter the job knowing full well that they need to exercise an extreme duty of care, exceeding that of your average person. They should be condemned for these, let's face it, STUPID mistakes because not making said mistakes is what their job entails.
Ill remember that next time you over cook my french fries
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Police should get ridiculed to no end for these mistakes, especially those that cost convictions due to such carelessness.
Police enter the job knowing full well that they need to exercise an extreme duty of care, exceeding that of your average person. They should be condemned for these, let's face it, STUPID mistakes because not making said mistakes is what their job entails.
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| I cant say much I cant get the clock in my truck set right
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| Party of the problem with the jury system is there is usually one person on the jury because they were not bright enough to figure out a way to get excused, they seem to always fall for the most outrageous excuses that the defense can come up with. Taking drunk drivers before a jury is a joke, there is almost always one person sitting in the jury box who thinks that they could be the next one arrested for DWI.
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| I agree, but CC07 wrote that the cops had caught the guy on camera as well, but the camera's date was screwed up. I know that cops have a hard job, long hours, and are human; not trying to say they don't, I just wouldn't want a criminal to walk free ya know?
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| Im not trying to make excuses for Officers making mistakes Im just saying that we are only human. In the perfect world we would not need officers to begin with. I also believe if there is a mistake then the suspect should be let go. Thats what makes our system the most fair in the world. After all they are innocent until proven guilty.
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| That sounds very frustrating. I would rather they get put away for 6months though than get off free because of a paperwork mistake, ya know?
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| Big Mac is right. I have total respect for what the police do every day and what they're up against. The DEALERS and USERS are the bad guys, the police are the GOOD guys. We need to work with the police to eradicate the BAD GUY problems.
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If an officer makes a mistake on paperwork why should they be punished? Mistakes happen. Thats the thing about police work we have split seconds to make life or death decisions. A team of Lawyers then have the next 6 months to go over that decision and find every little typo, missed period, wrong eye color, or any other simple mistake.
I could literally lock someone up for shoplifting a tooth brush at Walmart and have 5 different forms and reports to fill out for a simple theft charge.
Now take a 6 month long investigation with UC work, Search Warrants, multiple arrests and we are easily into the 1000's of pages of forms. Attention to detail is very important but we are HUMAN and do make mistakes. Even if everything is perfect you do all that work correctly and the dealer gets under a Year in jail and is back on the streets in nine months selling again and now when you try to investigate him again you get sued by his lawyer for Harassment of their client.
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exactly dorcountygrl, thanks
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| hey now, no one said I was perfect. I'm not saying our police are lazy or don't risk their lives, but something like 'the wrong discription of a person' and stuff like that just makes me wonder, "what the hell??". I know several local officers and they are great people. What if a criminal broke into your mothers house, punched her in the face, and stole her valuable possessions, and once they got to court he was released because the officer hadn't filled out the paperwork correctly?
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| Big Mac....Thanks for what you do out there, it takes a special person to be able to go out there and do what you guys do. I don't think Xangolove really meant that they should be punished but was more curious of what happens if there was a mistake made by an officer or whomever.
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big mac attack wrote: xangolove wrote: That is a shocking disappointment. I wonder if officers who don't prepare evidence correctly get in any trouble or suspended?
WOW If only us Officers were a perfect as you are. Im glad you have never made a typo or a mistake. If you only knew how much paperwork went into a simple drug arrest not to mention a full blown narcotics investigation having been a narcotics Dect. in Dorchester County and on several occasions worked undercover to buy Narcotics only to take a case to court and the dealer to get 6 months or less in jail kinda makes you wonder why you risked your life for in the first place.
Whoa! I never said I was perfect! But I think in that line of work, attention to detail is a pretty important thing.
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xangolove wrote: That is a shocking disappointment. I wonder if officers who don't prepare evidence correctly get in any trouble or suspended?
WOW If only us Officers were a perfect as you are. Im glad you have never made a typo or a mistake. If you only knew how much paperwork went into a simple drug arrest not to mention a full blown narcotics investigation having been a narcotics Dect. in Dorchester County and on several occasions worked undercover to buy Narcotics only to take a case to court and the dealer to get 6 months or less in jail kinda makes you wonder why you risked your life for in the first place.
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| Yes he was found innocent, remember to find someone guilty it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. There were other issues, but sloppy paperwork done by the police involved was a big factor. The guy on trial didn't match the description that was filled out.
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Jimmi Crack Corn wrote: Your dad was on a jury that let the guy go free because of errors in paperwork and you blame the police?
More than likely the judge called a mistrial because the evidence was incorrect.
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| Your dad was on a jury that let the guy go free because of errors in paperwork and you blame the police?
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| I realize cops are humans and can make mistakes, but this cop had the description of the guy all wrong, it wasn't just the date. I don't think it's ok that criminals keep getting sent back to the streets because paper work wasn't filled out right! Get a second person to check over the work before it gets filed or maybe just take an extra second to look it over and make sure everything is right.
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xangolove wrote: I know this may seem like a silly question, but have our local officers tried going under cover as a person trying to buy drugs? (of course having back-up close by) In a small town such as Cambridge, everyone knows everyone else. It's not likely a local officer could get away with the undercover route. Probably they would need to pull in someone from the outside.
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Cops are human and humans make mistakes. Ever try to remember to put the new year on your checks? It used to drive me crazy every time I went back after my Christmas vacation to remember to get the year straight on paperwork.
What some of you may not be aware of is that there are undercover investigations going on constantly throughout the area. So, if you call to say that Billy Badbutt, your neighbor is dealing drugs, you may not see any evidence of a policeofficer checking on it due to an ongoing UC investigation, which the police don't want to disturb. BTW it is difficult in a small town to use a cop for undercover buys and such especially when said cop is a resident as everyone seems to know who they are. The boys in blue have to have some pretty elaborate ruses to operate UC. Large outfits like MSP don't have that problem due to the size of their jurisdiction. I remember one UC dope cop who I didn't believe was a cop even when he showed his ID. He looked like a Hells Angles reject.
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| That is a shocking disappointment. I wonder if officers who don't prepare evidence correctly get in any trouble or suspended?
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| My dad was on the jury for a drug case not too long ago. A police officer went undercover and made a drug transaction. He said the paper work that the officer filled out had incorrect information about the suspect and the camera that was installed in the car to capture the transaction showed the wrong date on the video. So if the police officers can't even fill out their paperwork correct and the evidence collected flawed, how are we ever suposed to covict anyone? The guy went free!
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| There is a Narcotics Task force in the County as far as I know. It involves all agencies as far as I know. In some of my past experiences with past drug issues I thought should be addressed, the point was made that sometimes, the law was aware of certain individuals however, their interest was directed more toward the supply network more so than that street bum.
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| I know this may seem like a silly question, but have our local officers tried going under cover as a person trying to buy drugs? (of course having back-up close by)
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I think some of the law enforcement lacks courage in these situations. They'll happily respond to call about a house party in a suburban area where underage drinking citations come as easily as shooting fish in a barrel, but when it comes to the less refined individuals involved in dealings much worse than under-aged drinking, the police are nowhere to be seen.
Having a fairly diverse group of friends and acquaintances throughout high-school, I can definitely relay several stories in which cops avoided a situation, or cops attempted to intervene in the past, but were "put in their place" so to speak and have never gotten involved again.
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brett504 wrote: People these days are afraid to get involved. They would rather look the other way.
Our laws need to be tougher too.
yes...the laws do need to be tougher!!!!
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People these days are afraid to get involved. They would rather look the other way.
Our laws need to be tougher too.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:01 pm |
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| Knowing that something illegal is going on and being able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law are two different things. Before they can make an arrest, police must have probable cause that a crime is being committed has been or is about to be committed. Dopers aren't totally stupid, they, especially the pushers know enough about the way the system works to be able to often not get busted. Thanks to a legal system where things are strongly tilted in favor of the criminal, cops really need to dot all the Is and cross the Ts before making an arrest. Don't forget also that there is enough money in dealing dope that a pusher doens't need to get a free public defender, they can usually afford top notch legal assistance and advice and thus evade the long arm of the law.
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law_girl428
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 12:36 pm |
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| Unfortunately, I don't think that law enforcement is the major fall guy when blame is in question. Our legal system makes it very difficult, and many who are "dealing" are not stupid. They know how to elude and they know ways around getting busted, and certainly, they know how to put enough fear of retribution into others to keep from getting busted. I believe in many cases that law enforcement are almost afraid to make a potential bust unless they know they will end up with enough evidence to sink them....or else end up with a law-suit against the agency for some type of "wrong-doing." I think one of the "goals", whether it's right or wrong, is to simply attempt to "contain" the activity to certain areas.
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SueCarol
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 12:29 pm |
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Yep, First, that was my earlier point.
Everyone in town knows who and where the drug deals are taking place and nothing ever happens.
Makes you wonder, doesnt it.
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