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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 07:32 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote
Well, first, standards of what? I would most likely go by my own standards, but taking consideration of all parties involved. I meant to decide on various things, like what we are discussing here - same sex marriage, or like the other scenario I gave, dating. (I mention anymore topics there will be a number of topics).
Again, I'm not picking on you,
I would most likely go by my own standards, and how would they be gaged or I mean what are they based upon?
I too had my standards at 16. Probably based upon mostly what my parents taught and I guess the teachers - for grade school I went to a religious school.
High school - ha! A pandora's box of influence from adults.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 07:21 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
In making decisions like this, what do you go by?
I started dating. The question came to my mind who's standards do I go by - mine, my date's, her parent's, my parent's, my friends.
Well, first, standards of what?
I would most likely go by my own standards, but taking consideration of all parties involved.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 07:11 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote..
I understand what you are saying now. I just have my own beliefs too I guess...
I would like to ask something and I just trying to help - not be critical - anything like that.
In making decisions like this, what do you go by?
I know I had a terrible time as a teen to figure things out. I was brought up as a boy in a certain church, got angry with God and the church and became a satanist (now, on grading sins- that's bad!) - as a teen I became a pantheist (all is God, God is all - to put in a nutshell).
I started dating. The question came to my mind who's standards do I go by - mine, my date's, her parent's, my parent's, my friends.
When I committed to Christ on Jan. 25 1970, in my own room, all of a sudden I sensed no more concern about a standard. Christ was that Standard. I discovered the Holy Bible defined those standards.
I still err from time to time. But what happened on Jan. 25 was that I was transferred by God from Adam's line and placed into His kingdom. He's the King. I have to listen to Him. But every true Christian is a child of God. Since Jan. 25 God has disciplined me numerous times - just to let anyone here know I am not perfect. Only God is.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:57 pm |
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I understand what you are saying now.
I just have my own beliefs too I guess...
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:51 pm |
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Pete, YOU'VE implied that thinkfirst was "spreading hate". If she wanted to avoid that appearence she should have used "one" instead of "you" in her reply to Abbey's mommy.
What should they try to prove by scripture? not sure what you are asking here. Iin response to her saying...
If somebody criticizes someone as being doomed to Hell for being gay, again to start from the beginning, that I would like to see her back that up by Scripture.
I think was they are saying is think about how many times you've sinned; why can people say if being homosexual is a sin, how can that be worse than a sin YOu'Ve commited?
Well if that is what she is saying than she is absolutely positively right!
To some, some kind of grade our sins - little lies, big lies, or it's ok to steal a penny, but don't steal five bucks.
Well, here is what God says - James 2...
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Correct.
Ok, for the record, and you can go back in this thread and check, I did say we, that includes me, are all sinners.
Sin is sin no matter how we slice it.
All sin gets condemned.
Because homosexuality needs to be mentioned on this thread and some think it is ok to be homosexual, I presented Scripture that showed it was not ok, but a sin. But with that Scripture idolaters were also indicated as not inheriting the Kingdom of God.
If you think back, you might remember, although there is a lot to read here, I mentioned alcoholics.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:36 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: Thinkfirst wrote...
Guess what? I really do LOVE GOD. I'm sure, but we can all love Him more.
I'm not perfect, I get caught up in life, I forget to thank Him, I forget praise, I get depressed, I have feelings... but I never ever pretend to be an expert on anything but my own personal experience.
And, exactly who is on this thread? Are you implying somebody is?
AND I do not spread hate.
And, exactly who is on this thread? Are you implying somebody is?
And I'm one of billions that find the hypocrisy hiding behind righteousness distasteful. And, exactly who is on this thread? Are you implying somebody is?
If somebody criticizes someone as being doomed to Hell for being gay, again to start from the beginning, Go to your Bible, open it, and prove it by Scripture please.
Thank you.
God bless,
Pete
Pete, YOU'VE implied that thinkfirst was "spreading hate". What should they try to prove by scripture?
I think was they are saying is think about how many times you've sinned; why can people say if being homosexual is a sin, how can that be worse than a sin YOu'Ve commited?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:30 pm |
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slammen wrote...
well hello xxxooo and pete I see you to are still debate,ing Imo, I don't feel that xoxoxo are debating
you know what is is what is and we cant change it only one power is in the allmighty right - a true revival. I mean a real one.
and as i see this world crumbling to the pit's of fire im sorry to see the way we treat each other in every aspect.of life.. Aye.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:28 pm |
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Thinkfirst wrote...
Guess what? I really do LOVE GOD. I'm sure, but we can all love Him more.
I'm not perfect, I get caught up in life, I forget to thank Him, I forget praise, I get depressed, I have feelings... but I never ever pretend to be an expert on anything but my own personal experience.
And, exactly who is on this thread? Are you implying somebody is?
AND I do not spread hate.
And, exactly who is on this thread? Are you implying somebody is?
And I'm one of billions that find the hypocrisy hiding behind righteousness distasteful. And, exactly who is on this thread? Are you implying somebody is?
If somebody criticizes someone as being doomed to Hell for being gay, again to start from the beginning, Go to your Bible, open it, and prove it by Scripture please.
Thank you.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:23 pm |
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xoxoxo
What is the moral of the story? That all animals/insects know whats moral and immoral? Between sin & righteousness?
No, I don't think they know that much in regard to morals. Also, I just thought of this, all these Scriptures I just gave were after the fall of Adam.
You asked about the moral of the story, did you mean Balaam's donkey?
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:20 pm |
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I totally completely agree. Nobody should be able to judge people based upon their sexuality, especially the gov't.
Some of the nicest, out-going, fun-loving people I know are gay, and it's a shame that some people think that they can question their relationship with God, or show them disrespect. Just my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:11 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote: What is the moral of the story? That all animals/insects know whats moral and immoral? Between sin & righteousness?
well hello xxxooo and pete I see you to are still debate,ing
you know what is is what is and we cant change it only one power is in the allmighty and as i see this world crumbling to the pit's of fire im sorry to see the way we treat each other in every aspect.of life..
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:07 pm |
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| I have an idea - let's keep our judgement of people to ourselves and let God do the judging on Judgement Day. I, nor anyone here, has the right to judge a person based on their sexual orientation. If it is indeed a sin, God is the ONLY person/diety/etc. that can make that distinction.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:04 pm |
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:02 pm |
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Pete wrote: "You don't know what love is. If you loved God, you would not be writing this. You would read His Word, If you really love God and are prevailing then you overcome sin..."
Guess what? I really do LOVE GOD. I'm not perfect, I get caught up in life, I forget to thank Him, I forget praise, I get depressed, I have feelings... but I never ever pretend to be an expert on anything but my own personal experience. AND I do not spread hate. And I'm one of billions that find the hypocrisy hiding behind righteousness distasteful. If somebody criticizes someone as being doomed to Hell for being gay, again to start from the beginning, we all need to take our own inventory!
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:54 pm |
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Is there a verse in the Bible that says? All animals & insects have instincts, they don't know what misbehaving is. Right?
I think your first question was going with the second correct?
They have instincts, but evidently they are to hearken to God and are accountable for misdeeds.
First, the hearkening part (just a couple of examples)...
Isa 7:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.
De 7:20 Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed.
Jos 24:12 And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow.
Now, the accountability part...
Le 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
And please read the interesting story of Balaam's ass (donkey) - I know this is a lot of Scripture, but check out how careful the donkey was! What if the donkey disobeyed?
This from Numbers 22, and I will highlight the careful actions of the donkey:
22 ¶ And God’s anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
23 And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.
24 But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.
25 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall: and he smote her again.
26 And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.
27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam’s anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.
28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.
BTW, did you see God caused the donkey to speak? neat!
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:36 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: Since it is before the fall of Adam both the ants ant the apes would not miss behave. That would be true of all of God's creation.
However, more specifically you asked...
And since the ape/monkeys aren't made in the image of God, isn't it okay for them to be homosexual? Which, since we are talking about before the fall, we should ask
And since the ape/monkeys aren't made in the image of God, would it have beek okay for them to be homosexual (before the fall).
And the answer would be that He also made the apes male and female. it would not be okay for them to be homosexual. And before the fall, they would not deviate in that direction.
God bless,
Pete
Is there a verse in the Bible that says?
All animals & insects have instincts, they don't know what misbehaving is. Right?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:29 pm |
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Since it is before the fall of Adam both the ants ant the apes would not miss behave. That would be true of all of God's creation.
However, more specifically you asked...
And since the ape/monkeys aren't made in the image of God, isn't it okay for them to be homosexual? Which, since we are talking about before the fall, we should ask
And since the ape/monkeys aren't made in the image of God, would it have beek okay for them to be homosexual (before the fall).
And the answer would be that He also made the apes male and female. it would not be okay for them to be homosexual. And before the fall, they would not deviate in that direction.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:21 pm |
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:15 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote...
But if the ant does not know what sin is, it is just going by it's instinct. Yet it is still stealing.
And since the ape/monkeys aren't made in the image of God, isn't it okay for them to be homosexual?
For clarity, is the above scenario to you after the fall of Adam into sin?
Thanks,
God bless,
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:05 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
Just as I asked you about the monkeys who are born homosexual, you said something about mankind being the only things made in God's image. (?)
Ok,
1 .neither the ant nor the ape are made in the image of God.
2. Because sin did not enter the world until Adam sinned, the ant and monkey would behave.
The only creature on earth made in the image of God was mankind.
But if the ant does not know what sin is, it is just going by it's instinct. Yet it is still stealing.
And since the ape/monkeys aren't made in the image of God, isn't it okay for them to be homosexual?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 03:15 pm |
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ok, found it, and I should answer the 3rd question too.
So if an ant decides to steal some bread from someones pantry, he would bring sin into the world? hmmm and I see your third question will match the second
Just as I asked you about the monkeys who are born homosexual, you said something about mankind being the only things made in God's image. (?)
Ok,
1 .neither the ant nor the ape are made in the image of God.
2. Because sin did not enter the world until Adam sinned, the ant and monkey would behave.
The only creature on earth made in the image of God was mankind.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 03:06 pm |
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| That's the spider question, Pete. I asked about the ant taking food.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:58 pm |
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xoxoxo, here it is ...
(by the way, to make sure, you know how to use "ctrl" + "f" to run a page search? I use firefox browser for this forum. To find this, I thought of a word or something to narrow the search down. pressing ctrl and f together I get a little search box. as soon as i typed in s.o - I found it).
xoxoxo wrote
How can there possibly be a paradise (no sin)?
1. Nothing is impossible with God - have you ever read that? Have you heard that before?
2. Yesterday I directed you to Genesis 2 - that's when Paradise was.
3. Have you never read Revelation 21 to 22? There will be no sin in the city from heaven - the New Jerusalem. Please read Rev. 21 to 22. I think you will enjoy that insight to the future final estate.
What if a spider bit someone and they thought "that s.o.b.!!" Then the paradise would be over??
Logically if we figure paradise is without sin, no one would automatically think "that s.o.b." and besides, the spider would be behaving itself.
Again, I presented Scripture that indicates the power of God, that when Christ returns, they will not hurt nor harm in all His Kingdom. Isaiah 11
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And if man was able to discern between good and better, wouldn't it be a sin to never be satisfied with just 'good'.?
Correct. That's why Adam was at least wise enough to cling to his wife.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:53 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote: Why would the spider be behaving itself? So if an ant decides to steal some bread from someones pantry, he would bring sin into the world? Just as I asked you about the monkeys who are born homosexual, you said something about mankind being the only things made in God's image. (?)
I did not see your answer.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:40 pm |
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I think thinkfirst was expressing their opinion as well, not expecting the words to be picked apart & analyzed ya know? I don't think it was picking and analyzing though. "You" directs the comment to the poster. "One" more toward the issue at hand.
Did you answer my question about the ant? Yes.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:34 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
What is wrong with thinkfirst's post about the missionaries if what they said was not false? let me reprint what she wrote...
you can spread disease (as the missionaries did, nearly wiping out entire races) 1. usage of "you" in a controversial topic can be overused. I know I might do that sometimes.
2. Not all missionaries were responsible.
It could have been written,
"...one can spread disease (as the some of missionaries did, nearly wiping out entire races)
And what in your opinion is wrong with the statement about sermonzie, critize, etc.?
Again, the "you" part. And the statement implies Abbeys Mommy (since that was who she was writing to) was moralizing, sermonizing, and criticizing.
All Abbeys Mommy was doing was expressing her opinion.
I think thinkfirst was expressing their opinion as well, not expecting the words to be picked apart & analyzed ya know?
Did you answer my question about the ant?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:15 pm |
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I'm sorry that you think I am lying. That's just the drift I was catching from your recent posts. I'm sorry for saying that, -- there is a lot to read on this thread and stuff is easy to miss.
What is wrong with thinkfirst's post about the missionaries if what they said was not false? let me reprint what she wrote...
you can spread disease (as the missionaries did, nearly wiping out entire races) 1. usage of "you" in a controversial topic can be overused. I know I might do that sometimes.
2. Not all missionaries were responsible.
It could have been written,
"...one can spread disease (as the some of missionaries did, nearly wiping out entire races)
And what in your opinion is wrong with the statement about sermonzie, critize, etc.?
Again, the "you" part. And the statement implies Abbeys Mommy (since that was who she was writing to) was moralizing, sermonizing, and criticizing.
All Abbeys Mommy was doing was expressing her opinion.
It's better to converse in these posts on the basis of logic, not emotion.
For example, you asked about the spider scenario. That's an approach based on logic. Thinkfirst should shoot for that.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:03 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: You're copying and pasting everything that basically says 'if you don't follow the Bible word by word, you're going to hell' You are lying. I copied and pasted a number of verses that gave Christ as the cure.
Was what thinkfirst wrote about the missionaries false? I did not say it was false.
All they were saying was you can sermonize, critize, etc., but whatever you choose to do you will have to answer for. I didn't see anything wrong with that statement. Did you?
Yes, that's why I put it my previous post.
God bless,
Pete
I'm sorry that you think I am lying. That's just the drift I was catching from your recent posts.
What is wrong with thinkfirst's post about the missionaries if what they said was not false?
And what in your opinion is wrong with the statement about sermonzie, critize, etc.?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:59 pm |
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You're copying and pasting everything that basically says 'if you don't follow the Bible word by word, you're going to hell' You are lying. I copied and pasted a number of verses that gave Christ as the cure.
Was what thinkfirst wrote about the missionaries false? I did not say it was false.
All they were saying was you can sermonize, critize, etc., but whatever you choose to do you will have to answer for. I didn't see anything wrong with that statement. Did you?
Yes, that's why I put it my previous post.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:56 pm |
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You're copying and pasting everything that basically says 'if you don't follow the Bible word by word, you're going to hell'
Was what thinkfirst wrote about the missionaries false?
All they were saying was you can sermonize, critize, etc., but whatever you choose to do you will have to answer for. I didn't see anything wrong with that statement. Did you?
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:49 pm |
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Trying to scare people into following the Bible is not the way to go about it. Who's doing that?
All I did was copy and paste.
And thinkfirst in no way, shape, or form has tried to "spread hate".
Really?
hmmyou can moralize sermonize, criticize
and the remark about the missionaries.
hello?
God bless,
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:47 pm |
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| Why would the spider be behaving itself? So if an ant decides to steal some bread from someones pantry, he would bring sin into the world? Just as I asked you about the monkeys who are born homosexual, you said something about mankind being the only things made in God's image. (?)
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:43 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
you can spread hate, not here - sounds like it's coming from you though
Human's fail, human's sin, and God loves each and every one of us.
True. But you have never read... Exodus 34...
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means
clear the guilty;
Jesus died on the cross to wipe away our sin
Which includes homosexuality. Yeah, it's great that we can get rid of our sins at the cross.
PUT ANY SPIN ON THAT that you want.
According the the Holy Bible, you are the one with the spin - and you are accountable for your words.
criticize
That's seemingly been done by you in this post.
... but GOD LOVES ME AND I LOVE HIM
Really? Why then do you speak against what the Holy Bible says?
and NOBODY can PREVAIL more than that.
You don't know what love is. If you loved God, you would not be writing this. You would read His Word, If you really love God and are prevailing then you overcome sin...
Trying to scare people into following the Bible is not the way to go about it.
And thinkfirst in no way, shape, or form has tried to "spread hate".
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:42 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote
How can there possibly be a paradise (no sin)?
1. Nothing is impossible with God - have you ever read that? Have you heard that before?
2. Yesterday I directed you to Genesis 2 - that's when Paradise was.
3. Have you never read Revelation 21 to 22? There will be no sin in the city from heaven - the New Jerusalem. Please read Rev. 21 to 22. I think you will enjoy that insight to the future final estate.
What if a spider bit someone and they thought "that s.o.b.!!" Then the paradise would be over??
Logically if we figure paradise is without sin, no one would automatically think "that s.o.b." and besides, the spider would be behaving itself.
Again, I presented Scripture that indicates the power of God, that when Christ returns, they will not hurt nor harm in all His Kingdom. Isaiah 11
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And if man was able to discern between good and better, wouldn't it be a sin to never be satisfied with just 'good'.?
Correct. That's why Adam was at least wise enough to cling to his wife.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 01:30 pm |
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In reply to thinkfirs...
The Word of God is loving, gentle and kind.
Only if you commit fully to Its Author.
You have never read....
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
and so read for the third or fourth time on this thread...
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
That's why Jesus came and put a HUMAN face on God.
And it sure wasn't sinful.
You can spread the Word of God,
cool
you can spread disease (as the missionaries did, nearly wiping out entire races),
Some of us had no part in that- and among true Christian missionaries today, that does not happen.
you can spread gossip, not here
you can spread hate, not here - sounds like it's coming from you though
you can spread butter on your bread... sounds good, but I often use mayonaise
but whatever you spread YOU have to answer for it. Correct. Very correct.
And again, if I do not warn, if I do not tell you or anyone else what the Holy Bible says, I stand accountable.
Human's fail, human's sin, and God loves each and every one of us.
True. But you have never read... Exodus 34...
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means
clear the guilty;
Jesus died on the cross to wipe away our sin
Which includes homosexuality. Yeah, it's great that we can get rid of our sins at the cross.
and ONLY ASKED that we believe that.
Not quite true. Not the type of belief some people have. You need to start reading the Bible. Jesus said,
Lu 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
PUT ANY SPIN ON THAT that you want.
According the the Holy Bible, you are the one with the spin - and you are accountable for your words.
Moralize,
That's been done by the Bible
sermonize,
That's been done by the Bible
criticize
That's seemingly been done by you in this post.
... but GOD LOVES ME AND I LOVE HIM
Really? Why then do you speak against what the Holy Bible says?
and NOBODY can PREVAIL more than that.
You don't know what love is. If you loved God, you would not be writing this. You would read His Word, If you really love God and are prevailing then you overcome sin...
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
know His Word, and live His Word.
XOXOXO seems to be wondering how anyone can judge someone elses FAITH.
When I read that post, I will answer it.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 12:26 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: So, nobody would have any impure thoughts, no food that would polute our bodies, no premarital anything, no jealousy, no white lies, (honey, do you think I look fat?) no insecurities, etc. Correct.
There has got to be bad in order to appreciate the good.
Correct partly- since sin entered the world.
But before it came in man had the capability to discern "good" and "better".
From Gen 2 Adam was in God's good creation but...
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: ...
So we see Adam appreciated the better (for him), though he was surrounded with the good.
God bless,
Pete
How can there possibly be a paradise (no sin)? What if a spider bit someone and they thought "that s.o.b.!!" Then the paradise would be over??
And if man was able to discern between good and better, wouldn't it be a sin to never be satisfied with just 'good'.?
Right on, thinkfirst!!
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abbeys mommy wrote: from where I'm sitting & where I've been & what I've seen - each & everyone of us at some point ,whether it be 1x,2x's or several times a day,will sin. there is no such person on this Earth,that I am aware of ,that is perfect & sinless . Maybe xoxoxo is testing you Mr.Pete!!!! My guess is that the man who is spreading the word of God will prevail!!!!!!
The Word of God is loving, gentle and kind. That's why Jesus came and put a HUMAN face on God. You can spread the Word of God, you can spread disease (as the missionaries did, nearly wiping out entire races), you can spread gossip, you can spread hate, you can spread butter on your bread... but whatever you spread YOU have to answer for it. Human's fail, human's sin, and God loves each and every one of us. Jesus died on the cross to wipe away our sin and ONLY ASKED that we believe that. PUT ANY SPIN ON THAT that you want. Moralize, sermonize, criticize... but GOD LOVES ME AND I LOVE HIM and NOBODY can PREVAIL more than that. XOXOXO seems to be wondering how anyone can judge someone elses FAITH.
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California ruling revives gay marriage debate
By: The Associated Press
Same sex marriage plaintiff's Stuart Gaffney, left, and his partner John Lewis, second from left, with Myra Beals, second from right, and her partner Ida Matson, right, hold a California flag after hearing the court decision on same sex marriages outside the court house in San Francisco on May 15, 2008. In a monumental victory for the gay rights movement, the California Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on gay marriage Thursday in a ruling that would allow same-sex couples in the nation's biggest state to tie the knot.
Photo by AP
For conservative Christian activists, this month's California Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage provides an opportunity to rekindle interest in an issue that has fallen well behind the price of gas in the national consciousness.
But it won't be easy, and not just because of pressing secular issues like the housing downturn and an unpopular war in Iraq.
Voices within evangelicalism are pushing for a broader agenda, and evidence suggests younger evangelicals are more accepting of gays and lesbians. Meanwhile, anti-gay marriage amendments are on the ballot in only a few states and the issue doesn't play to presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain's strengths.
Yet gay marriage opponents say the California ruling will help them broaden their religious coalitions to include more Hispanic Catholics and evangelicals.
The ruling, they say, made their argument for them: Constitutional measures are needed to prevent judges from subverting the will of the people and reinventing a sacred institution they believe is central to society's well-being and part of God's design.
"I think the California decision does refocus our movement on the threat of marriage being redefined," said John Stemberger, who as head of the Florida Family Policy Council is supporting a proposed amendment in that swing state that would define marriage as between one man and one woman. It would prohibit civil unions providing the same benefits of marriage.
Thirteen states approved amendments in 2004 prohibiting gay marriage, a reaction to a Massachusetts Supreme Court legalizing same-sex marriage the year before.
Conservative Christian groups credited the marriage measures with inspiring "values voter" turnout and helping reelect President Bush. Several studies disputed that, showing partisanship, the Iraq War and national security were far more important factors nationally.
Other research, however, found that in Ohio, a battleground state that went for Bush, a successful amendment banning gay marriage did move votes toward the president.
Clyde Wilcox, a Georgetown University political scientist who reached that conclusion in his study of the Ohio vote, said that four years later, things have changed: Far fewer states have a marriage issue on the ballot, conservatives' "raw fear" of gay marriage has declined and McCain opposes a federal constitutional amendment to bar gay marriage, which Bush supported.
"I think in a year of war and a weak economy — not to mention race as a campaign issue — that this will not be nearly as big as before," Wilcox said.
McCain has said he thinks defining marriage should be decided by states, and in 2006 he supported an anti-gay marriage amendment in his home state of Arizona.
It failed, the first such amendment to do so. A bill that would to return the question to the November ballot is pending before the Republican-controlled Senate.
Already, activists in Arizona are looking to California to make their case a second time.
"The California decision shows exactly why the people of Arizona should vote for a marriage definition in November and not leave it for judges or politicians," said Cathi Herrod of the Center for Arizona Policy, an affiliate of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family.
California is the third state gearing up for gay marriage amendment campaign this fall, significant because some analysts think McCain can challenge the Democratic nominee there.
"The malaise that some [conservative Christians] felt about the upcoming election has in large part been wiped away by the California decision," said Mathew Staver of the conservative Christian legal group Liberty Counsel. Staver is raising money to overturn the California decision. He also co-authored the proposed Florida amendment.
The California decision not only deepens the resolve of religious conservatives, Staver said, but should anger "people who might not otherwise get involved in values. Most people do not respond well to having four judges determine the definition of marriage."
In Florida and elsewhere, efforts to broaden support to include more Hispanic Christians are intensifying. The Virginia-based Alliance for Marriage Foundation is uniting Hispanic evangelical and Catholic leaders to "stand up for marriage" at rallies this summer in Denver and Minneapolis during the Democratic and Republican national conventions, respectively.
"We believe that demographically, the Latino community is very much the future of our cause," said Matt Daniels, the foundation's president. "Because they are an immigrant community, they have largely been silent in the debate."
Nearly nine in 10 Hispanic evangelicals oppose legalizing gay marriage while slightly more than half of Hispanic Catholics are opposed, according to a survey last year by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Polls also show, however, that younger evangelicals are more accepting of homosexuality than previous generations. The Rev. Adam Hamilton, pastor of 15,000-member United Methodist Church of the
Resurrection in suburban Kansas City, Mo., said he is witnessing a shift that could alter the conventional wisdom about marriage amendments turning out evangelical votes.
"There are an increasing number of people who are trying to find a third way between the left, which tends to discard biblical teaching regarding sex outside marriage, and those who have made homosexuality the central concern of the Christian faith," said Hamilton, who describes himself as evangelical. "They are trying to see the gray between the black and white."
The California decision also comes as a growing chorus of evangelical leaders say the movement's agenda should broaden to include poverty, global warming and AIDS.
Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., is among a group of leaders who this month released "An Evangelical Manifesto," a document calling for "an expansion of our concern beyond single-issue politics, such as abortion and marriage."
Before the California decision, Mouw said gay marriage was on the margins of the evangelical agenda. Now, he predicted, it will move back to the center.
Mouw said he worries both about evangelicals' angry rhetoric and gay rights supporters who portray gay marriage foes as homophobic and the equivalent of racists, ignoring the moral and religious dimensions.
"The more it looks like this agenda is going to carry the day nationally, the more evangelicals are going to be pushed back into a movement of very narrow focus that a lot of us have been trying to get out of," Mouw said. "For those of us who are trying to broaden the dialogue, [the California decision] was not the right thing to have happen."
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xoxoxo wrote: but then eat a big mac and everything go down the toilet because you don't repent for eating it?
You leave me out of this
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 08:13 pm |
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So, nobody would have any impure thoughts, no food that would polute our bodies, no premarital anything, no jealousy, no white lies, (honey, do you think I look fat?) no insecurities, etc. Correct.
There has got to be bad in order to appreciate the good.
Correct partly- since sin entered the world.
But before it came in man had the capability to discern "good" and "better".
From Gen 2 Adam was in God's good creation but...
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: ...
So we see Adam appreciated the better (for him), though he was surrounded with the good.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:50 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
I imagine what we might call "Paradise". No sin.
So, nobody would have any impure thoughts, no food that would polute our bodies, no premarital anything, no jealousy, no white lies, (honey, do you think I look fat?) no insecurities, etc.
There has got to be bad in order to appreciate the good.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:46 pm |
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Adam had never invited sin into the world, what would the world be like?
I imagine what we might call "Paradise". No sin. would not have to lock any doors if we had any!
Closest thing on the docket so the speak is when Christ returns and rules on earth.
God bless,
Pete
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