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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:26 pm |
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from where I'm sitting & where I've been & what I've seen - each & everyone of us at some point ,whether it be 1x,2x's or several times a day,will sin. there is no such person on this Earth,that I am aware of ,that is perfect & sinless . Maybe xoxoxo is testing you Mr.Pete!!!! My guess is that the man who is spreading the word of God will prevail!!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:25 pm |
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xoxoxo
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Is the fruit supposed to be a metaphor??
In the last verse, no.
There are the fruits of the Holy Spirit and by contrast, the works of the flesh.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 06:57 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: Hello? You do not have the faintest idea.
For Jesus also said .. (once again Pete puts it in black and white)
Matthew 7...
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Is the fruit supposed to be a metaphor??
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 06:47 pm |
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Thinkfirst wrote...
Romans 12:8 had 4 different translations that I posted. Now, which one exactly is the exact translation?
The original Greek - which you probably cannot read.
Your pastor did you a favor by evidently doing so research.
I think though, you only listed three translations- nonetheless, from what you gave - the words dealing with giving are ...
generously - simplicity - liberality
checking the Greek, your pastor chose some translations that brought out the actual Greek for that particular word.
According to Strong's the GK word means...
1) singleness, simplicity, sincerity, mental honesty
1a) the virtue of one who is free from pretence and hypocrisy
2) not self seeking, openness of heart manifesting itself by generousity
As for the rest, humans do judge people, but like every other sin, we are told not to by the Bible. Hello? You do not have the faintest idea.
For Jesus also said .. (once again Pete puts it in black and white)
Matthew 7...
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
and now this ...
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Which sin or sins are you immune to? That's my point. WE ALL SIN Agreed.
But understand very clearly it would be a sin for me to keep silent - so I present the Word of God
Again read it:
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 06:25 pm |
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| yeeeup that's what I'm aiming towards. I can think of about 5 things I've done today that would be considered a sin. Not on purpose, but in a daily lifestyle.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 06:16 pm |
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"Look what you have written. You wrote ...
You can't judge. Yet, above that, you write,
Sunday, MY pastor read " He that has money, give it liberally." LLOOLL. I think EVERYBODY reads what they WANT the Bible to say.
What did you just imply about your pastor???? !!!
And, just to let you know, depending upon what verse he read he was absolutely correct according to the original Greek."
Romans 12:8 had 4 different translations that I posted. Now, which one exactly is the exact translation? As for the rest, humans do judge people, but like every other sin, we are told not to by the Bible. Which sin or sins are you immune to? That's my point. WE ALL SIN.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 06:13 pm |
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xoxoxo
Doesn't the Bible also say something about worldly possessions? That you should give anything extra that you have to the needy? Does that mean you should donate the computer you are using to post on this thread to a school in need of it? lol! Are you trying to get me off of here? Just joking.
All that that I have I do not own, but, as according to the Hebrew, it is unto me.
The computer I am using is used for...
1. My ministry
2. The church records of Cornerstone Assembly
3. For me to earn an income in non-ministry related activities.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 06:01 pm |
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Doesn't the Bible also say something about worldly possessions? That you should give anything extra that you have to the needy?
Does that mean you should donate the computer you are using to post on this thread to a school in need of it?
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 05:50 pm |
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Abbeys mommy wrote...
I tell those that I hear that from that I did not believe it was that easy.If it were ,would it not be assumed that "everyone would go to Heaven" also assuming "most people don't want to burn in Hell so "at the last minute they would beg for forgiveness? They may beg, and not that God is a meany - but they - and all of us- need His Spirit of sorrow - not just our own to truly repent. One might not be able to acquire that due to built up hardness of heart and soul.
However, if you know of such a case, ask God to soften their heart that they will sense this true spirit of forgiveness.
God bless,
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 05:43 pm |
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Thinkfirst wrote ...
8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully. 8 He that exhorteth, in exhorting; he that giveth, with simplicity; he that ruleth, with carefulness; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness. 12:8 or he who exhorts, to his exhorting: he who gives, let him do it with liberality; he who rules, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Correct. I am showing the mercy of God by pointing out Scriptures that show sin is sin and that Christ is the cure.
We can cry love and mercy all we want, but God is predominately holy (run a word check on a computerized KJV, NKJV Bible).
He has condemned sin, and shows mercy in the cross of Christ - which I have already said in this discussion.
Look what you have written. You wrote ...
You can't judge. Yet, above that, you write,
Sunday, MY pastor read " He that has money, give it liberally." LLOOLL. I think EVERYBODY reads what they WANT the Bible to say. What did you just imply about your pastor???? !!!
And, just to let you know, depending upon what verse he read he was absolutely correct according to the original Greek.
This is what I meant before - when any discussion like this comes up there's a few on here that whine "Don't judge," yet it is lame, very lame from those who type it since they themselves are judging others by that very statement and you evidently have no - or little -concept about the total context of that passage.
Some of you who whine "Don't judge" don't even read the Bible - I mean read it - not just a verse or two.
If you actually read it, you would see, if you want to see it, that those without Christ are already judged.
All you can do is take your own inventory. If someone asks to be saved, and believes, after that it's between them and God. That is completely contrary to the Word of God.
Proof...
Matthew 7...
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
and ...
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Besides - the Word of God has already judged:
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 05:15 pm |
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| Thanks for the answer Pete - I tell those that I hear that from that I did not believe it was that easy.If it were ,would it not be assumed that "everyone would go to Heaven" also assuming "most people don't want to burn in Hell so "at the last minute they would beg for forgiveness?
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 04:40 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: I never said that I believed anything about killing firstborn children
So he states an untruth and you take his word that he is a born again Christian? That's my point.
And you and others carry on discussion based in part of what he says.
It was a misunderstanding. Heaven forbid anyone have one of those . I don't know if he is a born again Christian - that's between him & God...not anyone in this forum.
Thank you for your offering me a Bible to read, we've got one at home I can take a look at.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 04:19 pm |
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These are 3 versions of Romans 12:8
8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
8 He that exhorteth, in exhorting; he that giveth, with simplicity; he that ruleth, with carefulness; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
12:8 or he who exhorts, to his exhorting: he who gives, let him do it with liberality; he who rules, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Sunday, MY pastor read " He that has money, give it liberally." LLOOLL. I think EVERYBODY reads what they WANT the Bible to say. I believe with all my soul that the Bible is VERY specific about NOT judging somebody elses relationship with God. You don't know. You can't judge. All you can do is take your own inventory. If someone asks to be saved, and believes, after that it's between them and God.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:48 pm |
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Abbeys mommy-
first, let me respond to this - I am glad you worte it becasue I forgot to respond to that thought about belief in a previous post someone had..
you wrote...
just because you believe in God does not mean you live your life by God Right! And that belief does not save....
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
now to your question...
I know people who think that they can live their life anyway they want & on their deathbed,if they say they are sorry - all will be forgotten !!!! Since I don't know much about this - Pete would you say to someone that has that attitude ? It's a mighty dangerous attitude by God. Here's why,
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: One's heart might be too too hardened at death to even sense the true convicting power of God.
Note - I am leaving for a minister's meeting shortly. Will return, Lord willing, to the forum around 1:15pm. I usually stay logged on when I leave the house.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:39 pm |
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| that's what I'm saying . cambridge native says he has God in his heart etc... if he truly believes that he is living his life God's way ( & just because you believe in God does not mean you live your life by God) he will find out on Judgement Day. which he will then know ,he was not living his life that way - he is living his life another way of his choosing - not Gods.yes it will be too late.I know people who think that they can live their life anyway they want & on their deathbed,if they say they are sorry - all will be forgotten !!!! Since I don't know much about this - Pete would you say to someone that has that attitude ? I can't imagine someone getting off that easy.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:30 pm |
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I never said that I believed anything about killing firstborn children
So he states an untruth and you take his word that he is a born again Christian? That's my point.
And you and others carry on discussion based in part of what he says.
xoxoxo- please read and go by the Bible.
People will tell you a lot of things.
If you want one to read I can give you one - free.
God's Word stands forever.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:23 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
So, you actually believe him? That means Christ within him has sex with another man. Not true.
Just because someone says they are born again does not mean it's true.
How can you believe him when he declared God commanded us to sacrifice (kill) our firstborn? How can you believe him?
You're correct in your assumption that I have not read the Bible, I've studied it before throughout CCD classes, communions, etc. But no, have not sat down and read it.
I never said that I believed anything about killing firstborn children, and I most certainly do not believe in a lot of things that you've posted as well.
You should re-read the posts below, too.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:11 pm |
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Pete, Cambridge Native has already stated that he has accepted Jesus Christ in his life, and he is active in Church and reads the Bible. I don't think he has to worry about God judging him for being gay.
So, you actually believe him? That means Christ within him has sex with another man. Not true.
Just because someone says they are born again does not mean it's true.
How can you believe him when he declared God commanded us to sacrifice (kill) our firstborn? How can you believe him?
Careful - there's people out there that would like to sell you a bridge!
Sooo...people can be commited to Jesus and follow the words of the Bible...but then eat a big mac and everything go down the toilet because you don't repent for eating it? You have not read ...
1 - the Bible (otherwise you would not be asking this so often)
2 - nor what I have told you about this - what the Bible says.
We do not go to heaven or hell for what we do - we go to either place for what we are.
Please read the previous posts.
Thank you.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:04 pm |
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Pete, Cambridge Native has already stated that he has accepted Jesus Christ in his life, and he is active in Church and reads the Bible. I don't think he has to worry about God judging him for being gay.
Sooo...people can be commited to Jesus and follow the words of the Bible...but then eat a big mac and everything go down the toilet because you don't repent for eating it?
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:53 pm |
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Abbey's mommy wrote...
it will only matter on judgement day & God will let you know whether you were right or not. The problem there is - it would be too late!
Fix it all by ...
1. Fully committing to Jesus Christ.
2. Read the Holy Bible, and let Christ live through you.
For clarity: The Word of God expressly states we are not saved by our works. It is a full commitment to Christ that saves us.
That commitment is not mere head belief. It must be a total surrender to Christ.
God bless,
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:45 pm |
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cambridge native - I am not suggesting you live a lie.& it does not matter to me what your sexual orintation is.it's your life.all I'm saying is it's your choice - not anyone else's - there's not anyone you can "blame" for you being gay. if you feel that you don't need a piece a paper to say how you feel about your partner ...fine.... I know alot of straight people that feel that way.however , marriage in the religous sense is a union betwwen a man & a woman. I agree with Suecarol.If gays want the right to marriage,create your own kind of ceremony - call it something else...but it is not what is a marriagfe in the eyes of God because homosexuality is not accepted by God. if you feel like ,regardless to what anyone says,God accepts you ,loves you & you will go to Heaven then more power to you. live your life like you're living your life. it will only matter on judgement day & God will let you know whether you were right or not.
but going by what I'm reading on this thread...... I think there is alot of misinterpretation, but by which side?
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:44 pm |
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Well, some people would say that you are polluting your body by eating junk food, and having no respect for themselves by wearing revealing clothing. Would that be a sin? Of course.
I have cited the Scripture for that in a previous post.
God bless,
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:42 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: What about people who eat junk food or wear clothes that expose too much of their bodies?
Not sure what you are asking here.
God bless,
Pete
Well, some people would say that you are polluting your body by eating junk food, and having no respect for themselves by wearing revealing clothing. Would that be a sin?
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:30 pm |
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thinkfirst wrote...
Food for thought: "I keep thinking how strange it is ... I kill a man and most people understand and forgive me. However, I love a man, and to so many people this is an unforgivable sin; this makes me an evil person. So, even though I never went to jail, I have been in prison almost all my life." Emile Griffith, Boxer extraordinaire Yep. That's people for you.
That's why I stick with God.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:27 pm |
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Food for thought:
"I keep thinking how strange it is ... I kill a man and most people understand and forgive me. However, I love a man, and to so many people this is an unforgivable sin; this makes me an evil person. So, even though I never went to jail, I have been in prison almost all my life."
Emile Griffith, Boxer extraordinaire
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:24 pm |
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What about people who eat junk food or wear clothes that expose too much of their bodies?
Not sure what you are asking here.
God bless,
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:22 pm |
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What about people who eat junk food or wear clothes that expose too much of their bodies?
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:18 pm |
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Dorchester County Girl wrote...
.I guess we all know where I am going if that is indeed the case!!  If you mean hell, - wrong approach.
We are not saved (go to heaven - escape hell) by what we do in our actions, but by what we are.
We are either a child of God or we are not.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:16 pm |
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xoxoxo
Pete, what does the Bible say about piercing your ears, or getting tattoos? And if you are born a blonde, yet choose to live your life a brunette, would you consider that a sin?
Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
There you go.
Albeit, I perceive we are different wavelengths.
I fully consider my body not to be my own, but Christ's.
to live your life I fully consider the life I have not my own, but what God has permitted me to have.
God bless,
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:10 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote: Pete, what does the Bible say about piercing your ears, or getting tattoos?
And if you are born a blonde, yet choose to live your life a brunette, would you consider that a sin?
Well, I don't even know what my natural hair color is anymore....
I also love tattoos (in moderation) and I have peircings....I guess we all know where I am going if that is indeed the case!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 02:03 pm |
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Pete, what does the Bible say about piercing your ears, or getting tattoos?
And if you are born a blonde, yet choose to live your life a brunette, would you consider that a sin?
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| Personally I believe anything effecting society should be put up against the Constitution and if its not covered in that then it should fall upon the states/people to decide
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| Personally, I feel everything that is going to effect society should be voted on by the people and not dictated by the government.
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Cambridge Native wrote: Well it should be up to the people to decide and not the government.
Correct and the people of Cal. did decide and they said no.
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| Well it should be up to the people to decide and not the government.
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| Its also not the fact that Homosexuals want to be married It really does not bother me it is where do we draw the line. First Homosexuals want to be married and we say ok but thats it. So then when the next group of people come along and say well if gays can get married then so should we its about LOVE after all and Im in love with my horse, or the guys from NAMBLA say he loves his 12 year old boy next door , or all 6 of my girlfriends where does it stop?
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Honestly Big mac, it seems that we all have gotten carried away, myself included, and got off on a tangent. Personally, as I said in the beginning, I don't need a piece of paper to state I'm married. If they pass the law, then good for them, if they don't then Oh well. I have no intention of running out and formally getting married. Been with my partner for 10 years, everything is owned jointly, he is on my health insurance, he is my beneficiary... What else could there possibly be?
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You asked for the answer you got it. You can choose to justify it in your own mind anyway you wish if it helps you sleep at night. However you can not deny the Facts no matter how hard you try.
Like I said before I really could care less who your with I know several gay man and woman some are my friends some are not its not really the problem I have with the marriage issue. My problem is that an activist court is creating a law which is not within the scope of its power. Yet at the same time it will remove the constitutional rights of all Americans by upholding unconstitutional gun laws.
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You asked for the answer you got it. You can choose to justify it in your own mind anyway you wish if it helps you sleep at night. However you can not deny the Facts no matter how hard you try.
Like I said before I really could care less who your with I know several gay man and woman some are my friends some are not its not really the problem I have with the marriage issue. My problem is that an activist court is creating a law which is not within the scope of its power. Yet at the same time it will remove the constitutional rights of all Americans by upholding unconstitutional gun laws.
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This is all correct... Difference is again, depends on how a gay person lives their life. If anyone, heterosexual or homosexual chooses to be promiscious then these statitstics would apply to both preferences. And the same can be said for heterosexual couples who engage in unsafe sex or oral and anal sex.
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Cambridge Native wrote:
Just curious as to how it is a life threatening behavior... but again this is another persons OPINION
Oxford University's International Journal of Epidemiology reports: "Life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continues, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 will not reach their 65th birthday."
Judging by the number of years at risk, homosexual activity is up to three times deadlier than smoking.
Between the Lines, Michigan's statewide "gay" newspaper, reports the risk of anal cancer "soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. "The rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive." Between the Lines admits there's no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this "soaring" cancer risk: "A condom offers only limited protection."
The Medical Institute of Sexual Health reports [Executive Summary, "Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality," 1999]:
- "Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices."
- "Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women."
- "Domestic violence is...probably more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals."
- "Significantly higher percentages of homosexual men and women abuse drugs, alcohol and tobacco than do heterosexuals."
The Advocate, a "national gay and lesbian newsmagazine,"concurs that "lesbians are at higher risk of breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer."
The Centers for Disease Control & Prevention report that men who engage in homosexual behavior are 860% more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD), increasing up to 500% their risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Men who have sex with men "have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid, extensive transmission of STDs," the CDC warns. "Control of STDs is a central component of HIV infection prevention in the United States; resurgence of bacterial STD threatens national HIV infection prevention efforts."
Gay Health reports that men who have sex with men are 320% more likely than heterosexuals to have unprotected sex without telling their partners they're HIV-positive.
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Cambridge Native wrote: These quotes are from the 70's and 80's... come on... at least quote something from today and not 30 years ago.
So because you cant deny the facts you complain about the age of them.
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Cambridge Native wrote:
Just curious as to how it is a life threatening behavior... but again this is another persons OPINION
Oxford University's International Journal of Epidemiology reports: "Life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continues, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 will not reach their 65th birthday."
Judging by the number of years at risk, homosexual activity is up to three times deadlier than smoking.
Between the Lines, Michigan's statewide "gay" newspaper, reports the risk of anal cancer "soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. "The rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive." Between the Lines admits there's no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this "soaring" cancer risk: "A condom offers only limited protection."
The Medical Institute of Sexual Health reports [Executive Summary, "Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality," 1999]:
- "Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices."
- "Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women."
- "Domestic violence is...probably more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals."
- "Significantly higher percentages of homosexual men and women abuse drugs, alcohol and tobacco than do heterosexuals."
The Advocate, a "national gay and lesbian newsmagazine,"concurs that "lesbians are at higher risk of breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer."
The Centers for Disease Control & Prevention report that men who engage in homosexual behavior are 860% more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD), increasing up to 500% their risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Men who have sex with men "have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid, extensive transmission of STDs," the CDC warns. "Control of STDs is a central component of HIV infection prevention in the United States; resurgence of bacterial STD threatens national HIV infection prevention efforts."
Gay Health reports that men who have sex with men are 320% more likely than heterosexuals to have unprotected sex without telling their partners they're HIV-positive.
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| These quotes are from the 70's and 80's... come on... at least quote something from today and not 30 years ago.
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big mac attack wrote: In 1973, after intense lobbying by gay and lesbian groups not medical evidence, the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder with a vote of 58% of the membership supporting the measure.
Robert L. Spitzer, Ph.D., Chief of Psychiatric Research, New York State Psychiatric Institute, stated in his 1981 article, "The Diagnostic Status of Homosexuality in DSM-III: A Reformulation of the Issues" (American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol. 138, pp. 210-215)
"In 1973 homosexuality per se was removed from the DSM-II classification of mental disorders and replaced by the category Sexual Orientation Disturbance. This represented a compromise between the view that preferential homosexuality is invariably a mental disorder and the view that it is merely a normal sexual variant
Kathleen Melonakos, M.A., R.N., founder of the Delaware Family Foundation, wrote in an article, "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequences?" for the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) web site:
"My primary question is: why isn't homosexuality considered a disorder on the basis of its medical consequences alone?...
It appears even more obvious that the Task Force on Nomenclature cavalierly ignored (and the APA's continue to ignore!) the substantial and unambiguous evidence that homosexuality involves a life-threatening behavior with an addictive component which has serious health implications...
Very simply, it seems, an objective person just looking at homosexuality's lifestyle consequences would have to classify it as some kind of pathology."
Just curious as to how it is a life threatening behavior... but again this is another persons OPINION
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Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)
In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."
Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.
Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."
Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.
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In 1973, after intense lobbying by gay and lesbian groups not medical evidence, the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder with a vote of 58% of the membership supporting the measure.
Robert L. Spitzer, Ph.D., Chief of Psychiatric Research, New York State Psychiatric Institute, stated in his 1981 article, "The Diagnostic Status of Homosexuality in DSM-III: A Reformulation of the Issues" (American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol. 138, pp. 210-215)
"In 1973 homosexuality per se was removed from the DSM-II classification of mental disorders and replaced by the category Sexual Orientation Disturbance. This represented a compromise between the view that preferential homosexuality is invariably a mental disorder and the view that it is merely a normal sexual variant
Kathleen Melonakos, M.A., R.N., founder of the Delaware Family Foundation, wrote in an article, "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequences?" for the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) web site:
"My primary question is: why isn't homosexuality considered a disorder on the basis of its medical consequences alone?...
It appears even more obvious that the Task Force on Nomenclature cavalierly ignored (and the APA's continue to ignore!) the substantial and unambiguous evidence that homosexuality involves a life-threatening behavior with an addictive component which has serious health implications...
Very simply, it seems, an objective person just looking at homosexuality's lifestyle consequences would have to classify it as some kind of pathology."
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Direct from the APA.org website. Hope this helps to enlighten some of you.
Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
What Is Sexual Orientation?
Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female), and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).
Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive heterosexuality to exclusive homosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional, and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).
Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Individuals may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors.
What Causes a Person To Have a Particular Sexual Orientation?
There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation. Most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality.
It's important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation, and the reasons may be different for different people.
Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?
No, human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?
No; even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, often coerced by family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable. However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.
What About So-Called "Conversion Therapies"?
Some therapists who undertake so-called conversion therapy report that they have been able to change their clients' sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Close scrutiny of these reports, however. show several factors that cast doubt on their claims. For example, many of these claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective that condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, their claims are poorly documented; for example, treatment outcome is not followed and reported over time, as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention.
The American Psychological Association is concerned about such therapies and their potential harm to patients. In 1997, the Association's Council of Representatives passed a resolution reaffirming psychology's opposition to homophobia in treatment and spelling out a client's right to unbiased treatment and self-determination. Any person who enters into therapy to deal with is |