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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 06:11 am |
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farmer wrote...
I agree. But, especially in recent years, I have come to understand that "fellowship" in a church helps you to nurture and share your faith. Aye.
Also let us consider this. If Christ dwells within one's heart, they will want to go to church - Christ went faithfully to the synagouges (sp?) so that work of Christ is in a true Christian.
they will want to be with other Christians.
Okey dokey Cambridge Native, I am heading for bed. I want to let you know I do not hate you. Feel free to pop into to our church at the meeting room of the public library in cambridge. 11am and 7pm
We have snacks in the evening.
Sometimes we have a question and answer session.
Unless you have a post that I might need to reply to I will catch up with you in the morning Lord willing.
God bless,
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Farmer
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 06:05 am |
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Cambridge Native wrote:
I don't believe that you have to go to church to worship God.
I agree. But, especially in recent years, I have come to understand that "fellowship" in a church helps you to nurture and share your faith.Last edited on Sun Jun 1st, 2008 06:06 am by Farmer
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Pete Macinta
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Cambridge native wrote..
Number two, the Bible is to be interpreted and reflected upon by each individual persons and their beliefs. Nope. It's to be interpreted within Itself by the Holy Spirit.
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 06:01 am |
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Gracias farmer, I see you meant denominational tags.
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Farmer
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:58 am |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
The Jewish law for us then points us to principles found in the balance of the Bible, which are made alive in a true Christian's heart and life regardless of denominational tag.
Sorry Pete, didn't mean to be vague. I was agreeing with the above comment.
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:57 am |
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I do have one question.... Adam and Eve were the first to be created by God and we are their descendents... and it is an abomination in God's eyes to lie with relatives.. brother's, sisters, aunts, and uncles... Then how did we all get here?
There's two possible answers to that, but I'll go with the one for now - Sure Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters.
This was before the flood, as you know. That relationship law was not instituted until after the flood- and later codified in the Jewish law we just discussed.
God bless,
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:57 am |
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Farmer wrote: I think this is why I follow the doctrines of my minister, who professes "I loathe religion, true Christianity should be based on a person's personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not advertised "religious" interpretations of the bible.
Farmer.. I would have to agree with you... Number one I don't believe that you have to go to church to worship God. Number two, the Bible is to be interpreted and reflected upon by each individual persons and their beliefs.
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Pete, you are absolutely right, I stand corrected. I thought you only said Exodus and Deu, and I apologize. However, you never did answer my question below...
I do have one question.... Adam and Eve were the first to be created by God and we are their descendents... and it is an abomination in God's eyes to lie with relatives.. brother's, sisters, aunts, and uncles... Then how did we all get here?
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:51 am |
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farmer wrote...
I think this is why I follow the doctrines of my minister, who professes "I loathe religion, a true Christianity should be based on a person's personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not advertised "religious" interpretations of the bible.
and what would you mean by that?
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:49 am |
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| I think this is why I follow the doctrines of my minister, who professes "I loathe religion, true Christianity should be based on a person's personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not advertised "religious" interpretations of the bible. Last edited on Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:51 am by Farmer
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:49 am |
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Actually Pete, those quotes came from Lev. and not Exodus or Deu.
Right, and I said Exo. to Deu. I thought you read the Bible.
Exodus to Deu.
therefore.
Eco. Lev. Num. Deut.
and you said you got the Book in front of you!
Maybe you are tired.
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:46 am |
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| Actually Pete, those quotes came from Lev. and not Exodus or Deu.
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:40 am |
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It is the Holy Bible, looking right at it, wish I had a camera to take a picture and show you. I'm quoting from the Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version from 1959. Wasn't aware that the Bible had laws for different religions... Could you point me in the direction for the chapters on Catholics, Methodists and the other sects of Christianity, other than Jewish Law??
I don't think you are serious. Either that, or you really don't understand.
The Jewish law is predominately found in Exodus to Deu.
Orthodox Jews still follow that today.
The life of Christ fulfilled all those requirements.
The Jewish law for us then points us to principles found in the balance of the Bible, which are made alive in a true Christian's heart and life regardless of denominational tag.
Think I'll stop there for now.
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| And is there anything wrong with Jewish Law?? Last I knew, Jesus was a Jew, in fact King of the Jews.
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Pete Macinta wrote: Again, the Bible was written by man from the word of God. And is translated differently by each person. If we literally translated everything in the Bible, we would be women would have to give monthly sacrifices for have a menstraul cycle, we would be damned if we ever saw one of our parents nude, and the list goes on and on.
That shows how much you know about the Bible.
The passage you quoted is Jewish law.
The Holy Bible is the Word of God.
It warns of condemnation...
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
It lovingly offers salvation....
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
God bless,
Pete
It is the Holy Bible, looking right at it, wish I had a camera to take a picture and show you. I'm quoting from the Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version from 1959. Wasn't aware that the Bible had laws for different religions... Could you point me in the direction for the chapters on Catholics, Methodists and the other sects of Christianity, other than Jewish Law??
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:27 am |
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Pete, whenever anyone challenges you and then find the answers you get defensive and call them a liar. That's not defensive. That's telling the truth. You are liar and twister of the Word.
First off, not good for a preacher, How would you know?
secondly, your opinion. No, truth. Take it like a man.
Again, the Bible was written by man from the word of God. And is translated differently by each person. If we literally translated everything in the Bible, we would be women would have to give monthly sacrifices for have a menstraul cycle, we would be damned if we ever saw one of our parents nude, and the list goes on and on.
That shows how much you know about the Bible.
The passage you quoted is Jewish law.
The Holy Bible is the Word of God.
It warns of condemnation...
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
It lovingly offers salvation....
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
God bless,
Pete
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| I do have one question.... Adam and Eve were the first to be created by God and we are their descendents... and it is an abomination in God's eyes to lie with relatives.. brother's, sisters, aunts, and uncles... Then how did we all get here?
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Pete Macinta wrote: Meaning to kill your first born as an offering to God
Absolute lie! And there's people on this thread that actually believe what you say about your experience! - and base their response on what you say?
The Hebrew word for consecrate in the passage you cited means...
1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
This is the mind of God,,,
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Pete, whenever anyone challenges you and then find the answers you get defensive and call them a liar. First off, not good for a preacher, secondly, your opinion. Again, the Bible was written by man from the word of God. And is translated differently by each person. If we literally translated everything in the Bible, we would be women would have to give monthly sacrifices for have a menstraul cycle, we would be damned if we ever saw one of our parents nude, and the list goes on and on.
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Meaning to kill your first born as an offering to God
Absolute lie! And there's people on this thread that actually believe what you say about your experience! - and base their response on what you say?
The Hebrew word for consecrate in the passage you cited means...
1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
etc.
This is the mind of God,,,
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
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Cambridge Native wrote: Pete Macinta wrote:
Thou Shalt Not Judge!
Luke 6:37 - "Judge not and you will not be judged; Condemn not, and you will not be condemned; Forgive, and you will be forgived; Give, and it will be given to you; Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the messure you get back."
Condensed version - "Thou Shalt Not Judge"
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 04:59 am |
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 04:46 am |
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To consecrate a person or thing means to make it holy, but to consecrate to God means to make a sacrificial offering.
In what way?
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Pete Macinta wrote:
Answer my question please -
The bible also says that we are supposed to sacrafice our first born. do we do that? Exactly where does it say that?
That is an absolute lie.
1The Lord said to Moses:
2Consecrate to me all the firstborn; whatever is the first to open the womb among the Israelites, of human beings and animals, is mine. (Exodus. 13:1-2)
To consecrate a person or thing means to make it holy, but to consecrate to God means to make a sacrificial offering.
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 04:24 am |
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Ah, I see you replied to other question.
I don't think... I know!! If Christ lives in you, you would do His works - you would live His Word.
Instead the Word states
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
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Pete, are you NOW saying that this quote directly from the Bible, which you said is the Word of God foolish??
First, it's not a quote from the Bible, although those words are found in the Bible.
It's a quote from you - and it does not match the context of the Bible.
I'm quoting you - and others - and not the Bible. That's a lame phrase in many mouths.
Answer my question please -
The bible also says that we are supposed to sacrafice our first born. do we do that? Exactly where does it say that?
That is an absolute lie.
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Pete Macinta wrote: I have read the Bible and have accepted Jesus into my life, am even very active in church. And yes, Leviticus 19 verse 11: Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. Really? You think Christ is in your heart now?
I don't think... I know!!
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Pete Macinta wrote:
Thou Shalt Not Judge!
The above is overused. - not just by you. Learn to be part of a discussion without resorting to that foolishness. There's a few others on here that said the same thing.
Pete, are you NOW saying that this quote directly from the Bible, which you said is the Word of God foolish??
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I have read the Bible and have accepted Jesus into my life, am even very active in church. And yes, Leviticus 19 verse 11: Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. Really? You think Christ is in your heart now?
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| I have read the Bible and have accepted Jesus into my life, am even very active in church. And yes, Leviticus 19 verse 11: Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
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Historian's consider their relationship to be an example of an early Christian same sex marriage.
No such thing in the eyes of God.
Please answer my post below.
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Saints Sergius and Bacchus
Sergius and Bacchus's close relationship has led some modern commenters to believe they were lovers. The most popular evidence for this view is that the oldest text of their martyrology, in the Greek language, describes them as "erastai", or lovers. Historian's consider their relationship to be an example of an early Christian same sex marriage.
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Cambridge Native wrote...
That's great... I will go live a lie, when the Bible states that is a sin... Hmmm... Do you even read the Bible? Not pickiing on you. Just asking a question.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Guess it's better to lie than be yourself. At least I am being myself, love myself, and know that God loves me. Yes, He loves you. He wants you to completely turn to Him.
Thou Shalt Not Judge!
The above is overused. - not just by you. Learn to be part of a discussion without resorting to that foolishness. There's a few others on here that said the same thing.
I don't know why people can't just treat others the way they would want to be treated! I once was heading for hell. My friend indicated I was going that way. I resented it at first. But since I have given my heart to Jesus, I am glad He warned me.
Please consider accepting Christ as your Savior.
Now, below, you said something untrue about the Bible.
The bible also says that we are supposed to sacrafice our first born. do we do that? Exactly where does it say that?
That is an absolute lie.
God bless,
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abbeys mommy wrote: cambridge native wrote that he was gay but did not choose to be that way.then are you saying someone else chose it for you?I'm not making light of your situation,please don't get me wrong.this is your choice & I have no right or desire to condemn you for it - but if you did not want to be gay - then you would do everything in your power to change how you feel.or you would do what others are & have been doing for years - living a lie with the opposite sex.what would be your reasoning for not "choosing " this lifestyle? more than liking what the majority of gays feel - don't want the ridicule.if it were not for that - would you feel different ? that would be like a religous person not praying @ work before he eats his lunch because he's afraid of what his co-workers would think.
That's great... I will go live a lie, when the Bible states that is a sin... Hmmm... Guess it's better to lie than be yourself. At least I am being myself, love myself, and know that God loves me. Thou Shalt Not Judge! I don't know why people can't just treat others the way they would want to be treated!
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God instructed Moses and Aaron to tell the people what food to eat -- any animal with a split hoof (or cloven hoof) which chews the cud (Leviticus 11:2-3). This meant that camels, rabbits, and pigs were not to be eaten. Also, it was all right to eat any that have "fins and scales" (Leviticus 11:9) but no other water creatures. Some birds (eagles, "kites," ravens, hawks, owls, gulls, vultures, storks, bats) were also forbidden to eat, along with four-legged flying insects. The laws that God wished for the Hebrews were told to Moses.
Guess we are all going to hell for this Bible passage!!
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but the bottom line again is do we approve of gay MARRIAGE...which IS something that has been set in our cultures from the begining of time.
Yes, I accept there are people who are born homosexual and yes they have a right to a legal union....BUT they do NOT have the right to usurp the marriage vows as their own.
Let them create their own customs....their own vows....they do not have the right to take over something that already has meaning on its own merit.
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| macmom - that was my point - he stated that he was gay by 'his" choice. I did'nt say that he just woke up one day & decided to be gay - apparently quite the opposite - he stated that he was attracted to males from elementary school & it sounded like the only reason he may have fought it was for fear of ridiculing.I was simply saying that noone but HIM , made the decision for him to be gay.it is his choice to live that lifestyle & noone can make him be gay or make him go straight.
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Farmer wrote: MacMom wrote: they don't have a choice– they just are.
I guess that would explain the dog-on-your-leg thing, too.
The humping thing reminds me of some heterosexual men I know.
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xoxoxo wrote: Gay people can still reproduce, it's not like they're born without eggs & sperm...
Correct they can reproduce but choose not to do so. Therefore there is no benefit to mankind to be gay.
Personally I could careless where you stick your Penis but you cant use the evolution argument to defend homosexuality. It was still considered a mental illness until 1973 and it was only changed due to political pressure not medical evidence.
In 1973, after intense lobbying by gay and lesbian groups, the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder[33] with a vote of 58% of the membership supporting the measure.[34]
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MacMom wrote: they don't have a choice– they just are.
I guess that would explain the dog-on-your-leg thing, too.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 08:51 pm |
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cambridge native wrote that he was gay but did not choose to be that way.then are you saying someone else chose it for you?
abbysmom, at some point during your adolescence, did you sit down and think to yourself, "well, seems like I have a choice to make: should I be sexually attracted to women or to men? Let's see, decisions, decisions: I guess I will choose men. Just seems easier."
Of course not.
As you grew up and became a woman, what you found interesting or sexually appealing just was. You didn't make a choice. Same with gay people. They don't just sit down one day and make a decision: they don't have a choice– they just are. Same as you.
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| AbbMom/Pete Both responses make a lot of sense IMO
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 08:39 pm |
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| Farmer - I think it would depend on what these heterosexual men are teaching him.If he is not shown pictures of women or has no contact with women - then when his body changes and he starts having feelings and urges,they may certainly be geared to the men - only because he has not been exposed to the other alternatives. it would seem to me he would be geared towards the men because that is all he would know.
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farmer wrote...
And being surrounded by noone but heterosexual males, who would he choose to commit the sin and how would he know how to go about it? Don't get me wrong Pete, I'm not trying to be unreasonable. I just personally believe that sexual orientation is influenced at least in part by outside stimulus. Well, farmer, I must have misunderstood what you were shooting at.
I just personally believe that sexual orientation is influenced at least in part by outside stimulus. Yes, I would concur - in this world, but it is still their choice.
Now, if I am understanding what you were asking in the experiment question, because of our sin nature we can devise evil.
For ....
how would he even be aware there was such a thing as an "alternative" life style." It can form in his mind via the sin nature.
Adam and Eve nor Abel committed murder. Cain did. (that's the closest thing I could think of to fit your experiment).
The thought occured in his mind and he followed through.
If the person in the experiment has no contact whatsover except for his heterosexual folk, the sin nature can devise (sp?) those thougts and when the individual dwells on those thoughts then there is sin - as if the act was committed.
For example, (now this is outside the bounds of the experiment) Jesus said if we hate our brother in our heart without cause it is equal to murder.
Maybe we are just misunderstanding each other. dunno.
anymoo,
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abbeys mommy wrote: farmer - if I understand your question right - Ireally don't know how to answer that other than people are influenced in different ways.if he were raised from childhood to adulthood & then released to the outside world -
Nope... what I laid out was no influence other than heterosexual men, never exposed to the outside world, could he choose to turn gay and how would he go about doing it?
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| farmer - if I understand your question right - Ireally don't know how to answer that other than people are influenced in different ways.if he were raised from childhood to adulthood & then released to the outside world - of course he could still be influenced .it would be the same as a child who was raised by good Christian parents,never got into drugs or alcohol,got good grades in school,did volunteer work,etc,etc.got scholarships & was just the apple of her parents eyes.then she/he moves away & goes to college & witness a whole other side to life!!! & does a total 360. I have seen this happen. I do not believe that a child raised by 2 men or 2 women - will automatically be gay. i do believe they will love all people and won't be as judgemental as some of us are
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Pete Macinta wrote: farmer wrote,
Pete, with all due respect, I specifically said the child would have no influence, direct or indirect, from any source other than heterosexual males. Without any knowledge of the word homosexual, let alone the meaning, my question was, how would he even be aware there was such a thing as an "alternative" life style." ok, gotcha (I understand). Then just the sin nature. That can't be removed from the formula because we all have that.
We are all descended from Adam so disobedience to God is first nature to us until we come to Christ.
God bless,
Pete
And being surrounded by noone but heterosexual males, who would he choose to commit the sin and how would he know how to go about it? Don't get me wrong Pete, I'm not trying to be unreasonable. I just personally believe that sexual orientation is influenced at least in part by outside stimulus.
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| cambridge native wrote that he was gay but did not choose to be that way.then are you saying someone else chose it for you?I'm not making light of your situation,please don't get me wrong.this is your choice & I have no right or desire to condemn you for it - but if you did not want to be gay - then you would do everything in your power to change how you feel.or you would do what others are & have been doing for years - living a lie with the opposite sex.what would be your reasoning for not "choosing " this lifestyle? more than liking what the majority of gays feel - don't want the ridicule.if it were not for that - would you feel different ? that would be like a religous person not praying @ work before he eats his lunch because he's afraid of what his co-workers would think.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 08:00 pm |
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farmer wrote,
Pete, with all due respect, I specifically said the child would have no influence, direct or indirect, from any source other than heterosexual males. Without any knowledge of the word homosexual, let alone the meaning, my question was, how would he even be aware there was such a thing as an "alternative" life style." ok, gotcha (I understand). Then just the sin nature. That can't be removed from the formula because we all have that.
We are all descended from Adam so disobedience to God is first nature to us until we come to Christ.
God bless,
Pete
Last edited on Fri May 30th, 2008 08:01 pm by Pete Macinta
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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Since these things are all a choice, can it be assumed that those of us who have kept to the straight and narrow have weighed the pros and cons of going the other way? I can't say that I ever have. Folks go with what they feel. That it happens to be the proper way seems to me to be a happy coincidence. One can't take credit for that.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: farmer asked abbeys mommy
So, you're saying that in a controlled experiment, if a newborn male was to be raised to adulthood having no contact with anyone but dyed in the wool heterosexual males, he might still "choose" to become gay? I would say that. Again, we are triple teamed from the time we are born -satan, world influence (direct and inderect), and our sin nature.
Until someone commits to Christ, the sin options are endless.
God bless,
Pete
Pete, with all due respect, I specifically said the child would have no influence, direct or indirect, from any source other than heterosexual males. Without any knowledge of the word homosexual, let alone the meaning, my question was, how would he even be aware there was such a thing as an "alternative" life style."
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