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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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farmer asked abbeys mommy
So, you're saying that in a controlled experiment, if a newborn male was to be raised to adulthood having no contact with anyone but dyed in the wool heterosexual males, he might still "choose" to become gay? I would say that. Again, we are triple teamed from the time we are born -satan, world influence (direct and inderect), and our sin nature.
Until someone commits to Christ, the sin options are endless.
God bless,
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:44 pm |
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abbeys mommy wrote: God created man - man decides whether he likes the opposite sex or the same sex.
So, you're saying that in a controlled experiment, if a newborn male was to be raised to adulthood having no contact with anyone but dyed in the wool heterosexual males, he might still "choose" to become gay?
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Cambridge Native wrote:
For myself who is gay, you are right XO, I didn't decide one day to say, "Oh I think I will start being gay." I have been attracted to the same sex since elementary school. I tried to repress these feelings and throughout high school and college dated members of the opposite sex. Yes I chose to live my life as a gay man, but I didn't choose to be gay. Who would choose such a lifestyle that for the most part you are frowned upon by society, including family and friends.
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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Very good points abbeys mommy
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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Abbey's Mommy - as I said earlier, there is a difference in being BAD (i.e. you KNOW the difference between right and wrong and still choose to do bad things) and being gay.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:33 pm |
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| regardless to what you say xoxoxo - being gay is a choice - not because they want to be ridiculed but because that's what they "desire" - it is not God's creation.it is our own fault that we are mean & evil towards each other - again ,another choice.by stating what you have ,answer me this... if God created some men/women to be gay,does that mean God also create some men to desire young children,old women?does that mean that God create some men/women to to want so much control they abuse children? it is all the same.we were not "create " to be these things.whatever we are...it is by "choice". God created man - man decides whether he likes the opposite sex or the same sex.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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| yes i did and point? IS ? we as children see the world as our parents do and if its what we do when we get older then yea why ....
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:28 pm |
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Slamen, you're the one who wrote:
slamen home runs wrote:
...thats what the child is seeing then its ok for them to do yes?? "" we tend to do as our parents ""
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:24 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: slammen wrote...
so wouldent it be true to say born gay?? IMO no. It would give the connotation they were created tthat way.
God bless,
Pete
Like father like daughter??? Ha Ha ha thats not even funny I've rased a daughter and she's with a man and has a child chit ya just dont get it and I was a drunk for years did she become a drunk no she went to school and was a great daught to raise up no bluejeanzzzzzzz there or biker wallet
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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| Gay people can still reproduce, it's not like they're born without eggs & sperm...
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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| Thats kinda the point people bring up Evolution yet there is not value to being gay in evolution. Darwin himself believed Homosexuality was a defect.
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote..
I feel that the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, but humans had to actually sit down and write it. Yes, you are right, except that the Holy Bible is the Word of God.
Anyhow, yes humans were used to write it. However, we see below in the epistle of Peter it was directed by God.
Also,
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
"Inspiration" in that verse is theopneustos - God breathed. Not mere human inspiration, but divine direction by the Holy Spirit.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:08 pm |
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big mac attack wrote:
What is the Evolutionary benefit for Homosexuality?
Isn't that an oxymoron of sorts?
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| I feel that the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, but humans had to actually sit down and write it.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:05 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote:
And how do you feel about the theory of evolution?
What is the Evolutionary benefit for Homosexuality?
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Pete Macinta
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote...
Pete, did God himself write the Bible? No. Humans did. sorry you feel that way.
But the Bible Itself says...
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Jesus Himself said
Lu 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
God bless,
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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| Pete, did God himself write the Bible? No. Humans did.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:56 pm |
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xoxoxo
But don't you gather an opinion based on your own experiences? No, I try not to, but I try to bring everything under the examination of God's Word.
Don't get me wrong - I believe in God, but some of the things that have been posted I do not. You don't have to live by the book to live by the message. If you live by the true message of the Bible you will by the Bible for It's Author is in you.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:52 pm |
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Cambridge Natvie wrote...
LOL this is all a crock of shit. Gays were created that way by God. Nay- The Bible says they make themselves that way.
From Romans 1:
21 For when they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God, nor were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, and to birds and fourfooted beasts and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies among themselves.
25 They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men, working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense for their error which was meet.
The bible also says that we are supposed to sacrafice our first born. That's a lie. The Bible never said that. And, BTW, compared to Christ, no one is in their right mind.
The Bible does say God has lovingly given us a choice to commit to Him or stay in sin. He has lovingly given us the cure for sin in Christ.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:49 pm |
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But don't you gather an opinion based on your own experiences?
Don't get me wrong - I believe in God, but some of the things that have been posted I do not. You don't have to live by the book to live by the message.
Camb.Native I totally agree!
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:46 pm |
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| LOL this is all a crock of shit. Gays were created that way by God. Who in their right mind would want to be ridiculed all the time by others. (hhmm maybe they think its fun) Get your head out of your behind. The bible also says that we are supposed to sacrafice our first born. do we do that? i dont think so. it also so says eating shelfish is an abomination.. well in that case all of dorchester county is an abomination.. Grow up people.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:43 pm |
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I didn't ask you what the Bible indicates...I asked your own personal opinion.
Christ is my life and my thoughts.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:39 pm |
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| I didn't ask you what the Bible indicates...I asked your own personal opinion.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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xoxox0
Pete- you never answered my question about how you feel about the theory of evolution; and I read it, but that was the only part that struck me as "are you kidding me?". Absolutely not true. I did answer your question.
The Bible indicates distinctive creation. When God made man, that was the only creature declared as being made a "living soul," and being made in His image and likeness.
How on earth does that come across as "are you kidding me?"
you also wrote...
I don't think gay people need to ask for forgiveness on their death beds. That's how God created them. No, the Bible does not say that.
God bless,
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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slamen home runs wrote:
dont you think gay couple's that adopt raise there child in a gay way?? so wouldent it be true to say born gay?? if thats what the child is seeing then its ok for them to do yes?? "" we tend to do as our parents ""
What about daughters who are raised by their fathers? Wouldn't that be similar? If she "tended to do as her father" and liked woman?
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:32 pm |
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slammen wrote...
so wouldent it be true to say born gay?? IMO no. It would give the connotation they were created tthat way.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: thinkfirst wrote...
Please note: sexuality is NOT just about sex and urges, it's who we are, it helps define us. God most certainly did create us all. Yes God created us all but He did not create us to be sinners.
Maybe you don't understand by what we mean as the sin nature.
When God created mankind He made them male and female.
Man sinned - that really messed him and his descendents (sp?) up.
As I wrote to Cambridge Native, all of us are tripled teamed from the time we are born: satan, the world attitude, and our sin nature inherited from Adam.
Our sense of our sexuality is often incorrectly defined by that triple team.
Yes we are born sinners. God has made the Way of escape through Jesus Christ. This is the choice for everyone of us. Either we stay a descendent of Adam, or switch over to Christ.
God bless,
Pete
dont you think gay couple's that adopt raise there child in a gay way?? so wouldent it be true to say born gay?? if thats what the child is seeing then its ok for them to do yes?? "" we tend to do as our parents ""
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:28 pm |
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slamen home runs wrote: xoxoxo wrote: Pete Macinta wrote:
THE FIX!
Isaiah 11
...and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
I don't understand how they would "slay" gay people. The God I believe in wouldn't.
In my opinion, I don't think they have anything to worry about except the same things we worry about (do not kill, steal, etc.)
slay ?? god said it's not right man with amn nor woman with woman .. now on your last word's "forgive me god " do you think your really forgiven ??
on the death bed and you have inmoraly wronged man with man or woman with woman do you really at the end think you should ask that of god??
I don't think gay people need to ask for forgiveness on their death beds. That's how God created them.
Pete- you never answered my question about how you feel about the theory of evolution; and I read it, but that was the only part that struck me as "are you kidding me?".
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:22 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote: Pete Macinta wrote:
THE FIX!
Isaiah 11
...and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
I don't understand how they would "slay" gay people. The God I believe in wouldn't.
In my opinion, I don't think they have anything to worry about except the same things we worry about (do not kill, steal, etc.)
slay ?? god said it's not right man with amn nor woman with woman .. now on your last word's "forgive me god " do you think your really forgiven ??
on the death bed and you have inmoraly wronged man with man or woman with woman do you really at the end think you should ask that of god??
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:21 pm |
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slamen wrote
pete that was not in prospective .. the theme here is more so in retro gay marrage not about woman whom may not barr child adoption for there case is there
did you not read I was answering a direct question to me which happened to be a tad off topic?
God bless,
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big mac attack wrote: I'm more against the activist courts making laws and at same time removing rights granted to us by the Constitution.
High 5
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:14 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote: Pooh wrote...
There are plenty of couple consiting of a man and woman that cannot have a child. Does this mean they should not be able to marry because they cannot continue the species?
No, of course not. The context of Genesis indicates it is an honor and solemn responsibility. God did command Adam and Eve to replenish the earth.
However, procreation, as inferred in John 1, is often decided by the will of man.
Also there were many women in the Bible history that were barren.
Also, God can, and has, healed barreness (sp?).
God bless,
Pete
pete that was not in prospective .. the theme here is more so in retro gay marrage
not about woman whom may not barr child adoption for there case is there .
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:08 pm |
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thinkfirst
Ouch, well I guess there is NO hope for ANY of us then, for all the people I know that "commit" to Jesus, ie: are saved, STILL SIN. Again, we all need to improve. You missed the point.
Those who are saved are transferred from Adam's race to the Kingdom of God's dear Son. Those who are saved are children of God, and He lovingly treats them as children training them the right way in Christ.
So, the choice is stay on Adam's side or commit to Christ.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:01 pm |
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| Ouch, well I guess there is NO hope for ANY of us then, for all the people I know that "commit" to Jesus, ie: are saved, STILL SIN. Again, we all need to improve.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 05:55 pm |
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xoxoxo wrote...
I don't understand how they would "slay" gay people. The God I believe in wouldn't. In my opinion, I don't think they have anything to worry about except the same things we worry about (do not kill, steal, etc.) Is that all you focused upon in that passage, the slaying of the wicked?
The slaying is not the fix.
Read it again please.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 05:45 pm |
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Pete Macinta wrote:
THE FIX!
Isaiah 11
...and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
I don't understand how they would "slay" gay people. The God I believe in wouldn't.
In my opinion, I don't think they have anything to worry about except the same things we worry about (do not kill, steal, etc.)
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 05:39 pm |
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xoxoxo - I got the Scriptures for the problem and the fix in the post below.
you wrote
If God didn't create homosexuals, then who did? Did they spontaneously sprout in their mother's womb by magic?? I answered that at least twice now. Please read below.
Thinkfirst wrote...
Jesus said he who believes in Him shall be saved- not heterosexuals who believe in Him. According to the Bible believe means to commit - totally - to Jesus. In so doing, one turns away from their sin whether it is homosexuality, drunkeness, whatever.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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Greetings xoxoxo
How is Christ going to "fix" what God created? And how do you feel about the theory of evolution? The Bible indicates distinctive creation. When God made man, that was the only creature declared as being made a "living soul," and being made in His image and likeness.
Now, the "fix"! He will do so by the power of His Son Jesus Christ. The rod of Jesse so mentioned in Isaiah is Messiah - Christ. (Christ and Messiah mean the same thing. One is the Greek word, the other the Hebrew)
The problem:
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
THE FIX!
Isaiah 11
1 ¶ And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
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Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
God bless,
Pete
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| We should all be striving to be better more decent people. There are many things I hoped my children would not be, and honestly homosexual never occured to me as being a bad thing. But, since all any parent could want is for the children to grow up happy and healthy, it's a shame that people spend time making other people miserable, other mother's children. Jesus said he who believes in Him shall be saved- not heterosexuals who believe in Him.
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If God didn't create homosexuals, then who did? Did they spontaneously sprout in their mother's womb by magic??
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God did'nt create homosexuals - he created man - man makes the choice of what lifestyle he/she wants to live. if they want to be married - fine - have at it ,but it will not be in the "eyes of God".I remember seeing on tv "married " lesbains & 1 was a Minister. They are no different than the rest of us. we sin ,sometimes we ask for forgiveness,sometimes we don't .There will come a day when "God" will make the ultimate judgement on all of us ,nothing else will matter.
SLAMEN - THEY'LL BE MADE IN LABS!!!!!
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 05:17 pm |
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How is Christ going to "fix" what God created?
And how do you feel about the theory of evolution?
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xoxoxo wrote...
I believe in God most definately, but the more I read what you're saying, the more I find it craaazzyyy. No offense. Aye. I understand.
I know I did not present Scriptures for those recent statements, so give me a mo, or two. But it's in there.
Christ can fix things in our individual lives. He'll fix the whole world when He physically returns (see an upcoming Bible GemLight next week - part 2 on Israel which gets fixed by Him).
Albeit, people will still have a choice at that time to accept or reject Him, though He will physically rule on earth!
God bless,
Pete
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| Mothers don't let your sons grow up to be cowgirls!
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| I believe in God most definately, but the more I read what you're saying, the more I find it craaazzyyy. No offense.
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xoxoxo wrote...
Well us in comparison to gorillas/monkeys (our closest mammal relatives?) God created them too, and they can be homosexual as well, so is the monkey a sinner if he was born that way?...the way God created him. well, without going off a tangent - they are not our relatives.
He created the animals, like man, good.
When Adam sinned, sinned entered the whole world including creation.
When Christ returns and His Kingdom fills the earth, the knowledge of His righteousness will fill the earth, so much so that the lion shall not attack a lamb.
We have the choice now to be part of that kingdom. We need to ose daddy Adam and come to Christ.
God bless,
Pete
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| Well us in comparison to gorillas/monkeys (our closest mammal relatives?) God created them too, and they can be homosexual as well, so is the monkey a sinner if he was born that way?...the way God created him.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 04:46 pm |
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xoxoxo
First, Homosexuals & "Bad" people shouldn't be used in the same context. Why? Isn't everyone a sinner?
God DID create gay people; Where do you find that in the Bible? All such sin is a generation of the sin nature from Adam.
But people who are bad chose to be bad, and they know the difference between right and wrong and choose to do wrong things Well, yes in a way, but undestand every sinner's conscience is messed up until they come to Christ. So, some folk think that the sin they are doing is ok.
. Gay people are gay, simple as that, they didn't choose to be born that way, they are just living the lives they were given!! They're not bad because of that, the devil didn't "make them do it" I did not put the blame completely on satan. The sin nature and world attitude comes into play. What gave them that way of life was not God, for they, like the rest of us, are descendents of Adam until we come to Christ.
Homosexuals are sinners just like anyone else. Christ, the Answer and Cure, Who loves them, will set them right as He mercifully would do for the alcoholic, liar, - or just the plain old average sinner.
Or for the person who used to worship satan.
God bless,
Pete
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 04:38 pm |
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thinkfirst wrote...
Please note: sexuality is NOT just about sex and urges, it's who we are, it helps define us. God most certainly did create us all. Yes God created us all but He did not create us to be sinners.
Maybe you don't understand by what we mean as the sin nature.
When God created mankind He made them male and female.
Man sinned - that really messed him and his descendents (sp?) up.
As I wrote to Cambridge Native, all of us are tripled teamed from the time we are born: satan, the world attitude, and our sin nature inherited from Adam.
Our sense of our sexuality is often incorrectly defined by that triple team.
Yes we are born sinners. God has made the Way of escape through Jesus Christ. This is the choice for everyone of us. Either we stay a descendent of Adam, or switch over to Christ.
God bless,
Pete
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