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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:41 pm |
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MacMom wrote: Why don't you two just act like grownups and get together over coffee to discuss this? It's obvious that along with organizing the details of whether or not someone will or will not return, you're making sure that as much dirty laundry as possible gets aired. If you both truly want to get Sailwinds back on track, don't do it by snipping at each other on here. JMO.
Thought I would repost this and hope the two parties will take the advice.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:37 pm |
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Grady said: That is what I figured you would take your marbles and go home.
Not so. All I asked is that my requirements be met and if the members of the Board would like me to return I would.
Grady Said: Carlton handles all the finances at sail winds and you know that. But I think he uses an independent accountant to do an audit for sail winds every year im sure he can get those findings for you.
Fine. I will speak to Carlton and if all is well then there is no issue.
Grady said: And he will also clear up that me or the mayor have never instructed anyone to write a ckeck ,any money that is spent is approved by Carlton Stanley so it looks like you are accusing him of stealing,
I would never and have never accused Carlton of stealing. I love how you twist things. They don't call you "Shady" for nothing!
Grady said: you said nothing about if the rest of the board would like you to return was one of the requirements but seeing how if we are gone and you can come in and tell them everything that goes on because we don't im sure they will not have a problem with that.
Your right. It wasn't. But why would I return to an organization if no one else wanted me there? The rest of your statement is just stupid. I'm not the only one who has complained of not being told what was going on in the past.
Grady said: I will at this time go forward with the agreement that you have outlined and consider your request as being fulfilled unless you think Carlton Stanley is stealing but he can give you full discloser.
Again I never stated that I though Carlton was stealing and you know that. This is your way of slanting the issue.
Grady said: Your name will be brought up to city council for consideration of being added on as being a board member to be affective on July 7,2008 with the stipulation that myself Troy Hill and the Mayor are no longer to be involved with sail winds.
Good. Wednesday June 25th? City Hall? Let me know and I'll be there.
Grady said: And by the way where was Carlton when all of those bad things were taking place when you were on the board
If memory serves me correctly Carlton informed me and a few other Board members that he was asked to "stand aside" by you and Troy. It wasn't until just before I left that he began to take back the reigns only to have the Mayor step in.
Grady said: So you set up ticket master and they charged a fee to sell someone a ticket which was $6.50 ,than sail winds is supposed to take $6.50 out of their money that they receive and give it back to whom ever bought a ticket because the fee at sail winds is only $2.50 . WOW
Ya know...if you paid attention to details more often you would understand something. I'm not going to explain this again.
Grady said: Troy and I were asked to come back long after you and the board booked the lone star show so if the word was not geting out that was not our fault but I can tell you that every show that has taken place, there are a lot of radio ads and posters put up.
First off, the Mayor booked Lone Star. Not me and not the Board! My signature appears nowhere on no contracts. This was the Mayors show start to finish so stop being ignorant. I left before the contract was even signed for that show. If you remember correctly Sailwinds was selling tickets to that show before the contracts were signed! And I can tell you that the Radio Ads and Posters aren't doing the trick. But again...what do I know. I've only been advertising bands that I've been in for what??? 15-20 years now? I don't know everything but I know what works and what doesn't and when I brought up different ideas...that would've cost next to nothing to do I was told it wouldn't work and I didn't know what I was doing.
See you Wednesday night!
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mustang1
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:33 pm |
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grady wilson jr wrote: mustang1 wrote: Grady: I hope that Carlton Stanley knows that you are throwing his name out here all over this blog. Last time I checked he wanted nothing to do with this blog. Just looking out for him, as you know he is my buddy!
Would not hurt him in any way. I think he now is tired of people bad mouthing sail winds on here
Just keeping an eye out for my friend! But wait you did not anwser my question. Has he given you the OKAY to use his name on here? Last edited on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:36 pm by mustang1
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:31 pm |
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mustang1 wrote: Grady: I hope that Carlton Stanley knows that you are throwing his name out here all over this blog. Last time I checked he wanted nothing to do with this blog. Just looking out for him, as you know he is my buddy!
Would not hurt him in any way. I think he now is tired of people bad mouthing sail winds on here
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:28 pm |
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| Grady: I hope that Carlton Stanley knows that you are throwing his name out here all over this blog. Last time I checked he wanted nothing to do with this blog. Just looking out for him, as you know he is my buddy!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:26 pm |
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MacMom wrote: Why don't you two just act like grownups and get together over coffee to discuss this? It's obvious that along with organizing the details of whether or not someone will or will not return, you're making sure that as much dirty laundry as possible gets aired. If you both truly want to get Sailwinds back on track, don't do it by snipping at each other on here. JMO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRTY LAUNDRY THATS MY POINT, IF YOU ARE GOING TO TELL SOMETHING TELL THE WHOLE STORY, ANY INFORMATION THAT SAIL WINDS HAS IN THE OFFICE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AVAILABLE TO ANY ONE THE WANTS THAT INFORMATION. THE PERSON COMPLAINING IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS MAD BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT GIVEN BOARD MEMBERS PERSONAL TELEPHONE NUMBERS.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:11 pm |
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strings-n-things wrote: grady wilson jr wrote: strings-n-things wrote: Chris ... Thanx for coming forward .... you got 'guts' .... and, obviously, what it takes to do what's right. Without betraying your non-disclosure promise, can you comment on the reasons for the secrecy? Surely national security is not at risk! What possible legitimate reasons could there be for refusing to disclose the names of board members, and the minutes of board meetings?? The reasons I can think of are that they don't know what their job is, they use their position in a self-serving manner, or they're just not doing their job ....... and the list goes on and on.
Before you post anything on here it would be a good idea to investigate the things you talk about. The board members and minutes are public knowledge and have always be in the front office for anyone to look at. The trailer is there because I am doing work there if anyone would like to help please call me at 410-330-7452.
Don't forget there are to sides to every story
Grady ... Grady .........
What do you consider 'investigating'? Did you read my reply Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 01:50 pm. Evidently this info was not available then! Have things changed that much in such a short time, has a new leaf been turned, or are all out efforts being made to cover your butt???
FYI .... There's more excerpts to be posted as a result of my 'investigating' prior city council meeting minutes, and other sources!
FRANK
Can you please call the office and make sure that what I am understanding is true about your concerns. Because im being told that it was taken care of as soon as you brought it to our attention. And as you know from being in this business it is hard to please everybody but I think that we have tryed nobody's perfect
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:03 pm |
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Why don't you two just act like grownups and get together over coffee to discuss this? It's obvious that along with organizing the details of whether or not someone will or will not return, you're making sure that as much dirty laundry as possible gets aired. If you both truly want to get Sailwinds back on track, don't do it by snipping at each other on here. JMO.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 04:54 pm |
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Chris Abbott wrote: grady wilson jr wrote: It all sounds good to me except for number 5 and you can pay for that if you want it done but take that up with Carlton he is in charge of all finances . I will talk to troy and the mayor and see if we can make this happen around July the 7th that is the day after our next show.
The old saying is be careful for what you wish for. I know how much of my personal money I have put into sail winds I hope you can do the same.
And the ticket master was your idea and it is still at sail winds it was never canceled what the mayor was trying to do was get ticket master to charge the people that bought tickets a fee of $2.50 per ticket like sail winds not there charge of $6.50 and that might be why ticket master only sold 39 tickets for lone star and didn't sell it out in one day.Also ask Carlton how much money I had him go to my bank and get because we didn't sell enough tickets to pay the band that day. $4500.00 to be ex at That might be the reason the mayor wanted me and troy to come back who knows.
Trust me you are the answer to my prayers, someone that has the best interest in sail winds and can turn it around without any money coming from the city or any money coming from the county.Put about 35 hours a week in to help run day to day operations.
You and I can go on and on but bottom line is lets see if you will follow though with this I know I will. And there are still board members there that were there when you left im sure they will be excited for us to leave and you to come back.
All 6 items will need to be met. Full disclosure is not too much to ask. If you and the Mayor have nothing to hide an audit should not be a big deal. Besides I'm sure the City would like to know whats going on financially over there. They've been asking for years!
I know all about the Mayors reasoning for calling TicketMaster and I know it was related to the fees that were charged to a customer on the day tickets for Lone Star went on sale. TM had not provided the needed equipment in time and we had to purchase the tickets for that customer on-line. Had the Mayor either read the TM agreement or asked me he would have known that there are different fees charged by TM depending on where tickets are purchased. Also had he talked to me I would have informed him that we should refund that customer those fees or give them a Gift Card for the snack bar for the night of the show. I had already mentioned that to Janel. But nooooooo....the Mayor decided to call TM and yell at them for no reason. Also had you used TM's Marketing tools I'm sure you would have sold more tickets than you did. But instead you opt for the same Marketing and Promotion campaign you do for all of your shows, which hardly gets the word out, then BLAME bad attendance on people not supporting Sailwinds. I know people in Salisbury that go to concerts all the time and know every show that is happening on the Delmarva and Western Shore area and they had no idea Lone Star was coming to Cambridge. Now...is everyone else wrong?
I will follow through with no problems as long as you meet my simple requirements. If Carlton and the rest of the Board members would like for me to return I will gladly do so. You and Carlton know how to reach me and if you don't then PM me and I will give you my Cell number so we can discuss this further. Until you meet the requirements that I have stated below you and I have nothing more to discuss. I'm not looking to take over. I would like to be a member of the organization again and use my entertainment experience to give something back to the Community. The ball is in your court.
That is what I figured you would take your marbles and go home. Carlton handles all the finances at sail winds and you know that. But I think he uses an independent accountant to do an audit for sail winds every year im sure he can get those findings for you. So it sounds to me after talking to him this morning I will be able to meet all of your demands. And he will also clear up that me or the mayor have never instructed anyone to write a ckeck ,any money that is spent is approved by Carlton Stanley so it looks like you are accusing him of stealing, you said nothing about if the rest of the board would like you to return was one of the requirements but seeing how if we are gone and you can come in and tell them everything that goes on because we don't im sure they will not have a problem with that. There again with my 3rd grade mind I think that all of the original requirements now can be taken care of. I will at this time go forward with the agreement that you have outlined and consider your request as being fulfilled unless you think Carlton Stanley is stealing but he can give you full discloser. Your name will be brought up to city council for consideration of being added on as being a board member to be affective on July 7,2008 with the stipulation that myself Troy Hill and the Mayor are no longer to be involved with sail winds. And by the way where was Carlton when all of those bad things were taking place when you were on the board ,the last meeting we had on Thursday June 19, 2008 he was still President. We were listed on ticket masters web sight and we did use their marketing tools how do you think they sold tickets for us. So you set up ticket master and they charged a fee to sell someone a ticket which was $6.50 ,than sail winds is supposed to take $6.50 out of their money that they receive and give it back to whom ever bought a ticket because the fee at sail winds is only $2.50 . WOW Troy and I were asked to come back long after you and the board booked the lone star show so if the word was not geting out that was not our fault but I can tell you that every show that has taken place, there are a lot of radio ads and posters put up.
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homer wrote: mustang1 wrote: homer wrote: mustang1 wrote: Hey homer havent talked to you in awhile! How is everything going?
Much better , I am down in TENN. getting ready to check out a couple of concerts tonight that are in the area and stop by the Jack Daniel's Distillery in Linchburg before heading back to MD. My two weeks are almost up , I will stop by when I get back on Sun.
Yeah make sure that you stop by and see me! Hey bring me some of the Jack back!
I am back with the Jack and a spoon so you can stirr a little harder.  I will meet you on my deck at 5:00 so we can crack open that bottle. Looks like I need a bigger spoon so whatever you bring me will come in handy!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 04:27 pm |
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mustang1 wrote: homer wrote: mustang1 wrote: Hey homer havent talked to you in awhile! How is everything going?
Much better , I am down in TENN. getting ready to check out a couple of concerts tonight that are in the area and stop by the Jack Daniel's Distillery in Linchburg before heading back to MD. My two weeks are almost up , I will stop by when I get back on Sun.
Yeah make sure that you stop by and see me! Hey bring me some of the Jack back!
I am back with the Jack and a spoon so you can stirr a little harder.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:57 pm |
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| Grady and Chris isn't funny how the tables turn! Round and Round they go!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:52 pm |
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grady wilson jr wrote: It all sounds good to me except for number 5 and you can pay for that if you want it done but take that up with Carlton he is in charge of all finances . I will talk to troy and the mayor and see if we can make this happen around July the 7th that is the day after our next show.
The old saying is be careful for what you wish for. I know how much of my personal money I have put into sail winds I hope you can do the same.
And the ticket master was your idea and it is still at sail winds it was never canceled what the mayor was trying to do was get ticket master to charge the people that bought tickets a fee of $2.50 per ticket like sail winds not there charge of $6.50 and that might be why ticket master only sold 39 tickets for lone star and didn't sell it out in one day.Also ask Carlton how much money I had him go to my bank and get because we didn't sell enough tickets to pay the band that day. $4500.00 to be ex at That might be the reason the mayor wanted me and troy to come back who knows.
Trust me you are the answer to my prayers, someone that has the best interest in sail winds and can turn it around without any money coming from the city or any money coming from the county.Put about 35 hours a week in to help run day to day operations.
You and I can go on and on but bottom line is lets see if you will follow though with this I know I will. And there are still board members there that were there when you left im sure they will be excited for us to leave and you to come back.
All 6 items will need to be met. Full disclosure is not too much to ask. If you and the Mayor have nothing to hide an audit should not be a big deal. Besides I'm sure the City would like to know whats going on financially over there. They've been asking for years!
I know all about the Mayors reasoning for calling TicketMaster and I know it was related to the fees that were charged to a customer on the day tickets for Lone Star went on sale. TM had not provided the needed equipment in time and we had to purchase the tickets for that customer on-line. Had the Mayor either read the TM agreement or asked me he would have known that there are different fees charged by TM depending on where tickets are purchased. Also had he talked to me I would have informed him that we should refund that customer those fees or give them a Gift Card for the snack bar for the night of the show. I had already mentioned that to Janel. But nooooooo....the Mayor decided to call TM and yell at them for no reason. Also had you used TM's Marketing tools I'm sure you would have sold more tickets than you did. But instead you opt for the same Marketing and Promotion campaign you do for all of your shows, which hardly gets the word out, then BLAME bad attendance on people not supporting Sailwinds. I know people in Salisbury that go to concerts all the time and know every show that is happening on the Delmarva and Western Shore area and they had no idea Lone Star was coming to Cambridge. Now...is everyone else wrong?
I will follow through with no problems as long as you meet my simple requirements. If Carlton and the rest of the Board members would like for me to return I will gladly do so. You and Carlton know how to reach me and if you don't then PM me and I will give you my Cell number so we can discuss this further. Until you meet the requirements that I have stated below you and I have nothing more to discuss. I'm not looking to take over. I would like to be a member of the organization again and use my entertainment experience to give something back to the Community. The ball is in your court.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 03:24 am |
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Chris Abbott wrote: grady wilson jr wrote: Chris,
I have talked to Troy, and the Mayor give us a date that you are willing to become more involved with sail winds again, and we will walk away again.It would great for someone like you to take it over. try to do it by Wen. June 25,2008 at the city council meeting so Kenny Knox can approve it.
Grady,
That's very gracious of you but by now you must know that I don't trust you! The first time you and Troy "left" you yourself were in the Sailwinds office every day doing what you could to stir things up and interfere with things. At that time the Mayor was working on the Lone Star show and the remaining board members were completely in the dark as to what was going on ( as per usual operating procedure) and when I contacted the booking agent to get some information the Board members were told that we were not to have anything to do with that show and that the Mayor had appointed you and Troy ONLY to help. At that time you and Troy had "resigned". So why should I believe that you will simply walk away this time? And I'm sure if you did just walk away you would be nice enough to leave a few undisclosed surprises for everyone to deal with. I know you can't help yourself in that regard. It's that 3rd grade mentality you display by taking business related issues that don't go your way and making it a personal matter.
I tell you what. Here is what it will take for me to become involved again.
1) Your resignation along with Troy's and a mandate from the City Council removing the Mayor from ANY responsibility at Sailwinds, be it as a "liaison" or anything else.
2) At the time of your resignation all Keys will be turned in, any work that you have contracted to perform be finished and invoiced to you and paid in full.
3) All locks in the building be changed and all security codes for the alarm system be changed.
4) Full disclosure of any and all events and contractual information be made to Carlton Stanley.
5) A FULL Independent Accounting and Audit of all Sailwinds assets performed by an outside firm with no current contacts to the City of Cambridge. That way you or the Mayor cannot influence any of the findings.
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6) Carlton Stanley or the City Council to officially appoint me to the board.
If you can accomplish that, and then stay away from the day to day operations of Sailwinds I will gladly return to the Board of Directors. But somehow or another I don't think you will.
You know what sucks about all this is that I actually like Troy Hill. I believe left to his own devices and without the influence of Grady and the Mayor he could continue to do a good job for Sailwinds.
It all sounds good to me except for number 5 and you can pay for that if you want it done but take that up with Carlton he is in charge of all finances . I will talk to troy and the mayor and see if we can make this happen around July the 7th that is the day after our next show.
The old saying is be careful for what you wish for. I know how much of my personal money I have put into sail winds I hope you can do the same.
And the ticket master was your idea and it is still at sail winds it was never canceled what the mayor was trying to do was get ticket master to charge the people that bought tickets a fee of $2.50 per ticket like sail winds not there charge of $6.50 and that might be why ticket master only sold 39 tickets for lone star and didn't sell it out in one day.Also ask Carlton how much money I had him go to my bank and get because we didn't sell enough tickets to pay the band that day. $4500.00 to be ex at That might be the reason the mayor wanted me and troy to come back who knows.
Trust me you are the answer to my prayers, someone that has the best interest in sail winds and can turn it around without any money coming from the city or any money coming from the county.Put about 35 hours a week in to help run day to day operations.
You and I can go on and on but bottom line is lets see if you will follow though with this I know I will. And there are still board members there that were there when you left im sure they will be excited for us to leave and you to come back.
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strings-n-things wrote: grady wilson jr wrote: strings-n-things wrote: Chris ... Thanx for coming forward .... you got 'guts' .... and, obviously, what it takes to do what's right. Without betraying your non-disclosure promise, can you comment on the reasons for the secrecy? Surely national security is not at risk! What possible legitimate reasons could there be for refusing to disclose the names of board members, and the minutes of board meetings?? The reasons I can think of are that they don't know what their job is, they use their position in a self-serving manner, or they're just not doing their job ....... and the list goes on and on.
Before you post anything on here it would be a good idea to investigate the things you talk about. The board members and minutes are public knowledge and have always be in the front office for anyone to look at. The trailer is there because I am doing work there if anyone would like to help please call me at 410-330-7452.
Don't forget there are to sides to every story
Grady ... Grady .........
What do you consider 'investigating'? Did you read my reply Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 01:50 pm. Evidently this info was not available then! Have things changed that much in such a short time, has a new leaf been turned, or are all out efforts being made to cover your butt???
FYI .... There's more excerpts to be posted as a result of my 'investigating' prior city council meeting minutes, and other sources!
Frank Frank
Those are the things you posted and you took the word of someone else before you found out the whole story. trust me there will be more later...
Frank do me a favor check the minuets from the up coming city council meeting on June 25, 2008 after they are released and see who's telling the truth about reports that have been given to city council.
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| "Choptank River Festival" is a great change of name. It's a new identity with allot of positive PR. The name identifies a certain place. The Choptank River is historical.
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I think Sailwinds with not only the building area for music but the lawn area by the river could be much more utilized. Every tourist that crosses the bridge to OC would stop at Sailwinds park if more was going on there on the weekends.
If on Fri. afternoon and Saturdays a Farmer's market, kayak lessons, wind surfing lessons,biking tour info, local Bed in Breakfast input, music played on the grass, kids playing in the water and on the play ground , local food being sold, Harriet Tubman trail many OC tourist would stop. Then more advertising about local events, music etc would bring them back to Sailwinds and then spend some time touring Dorchester.
One of the best experience for learning and understanding I can think of is the way of the watermen's life. The boat's, how crabbing and oystering are done. A chance for kids and adults to learn what is happening with the Chesapeake Bay and why it is so hard to make a living. What how they can learn to save the water. All of this going on when how many thousands of people cross that bridge every weekend. It would be a incredible experience. Everybody sees that park every weekend.
As of now the farmer's market is 2 days in the middle of the week. Who knows when it happens.
Farmer's market are a great way to bring people local and non local's together.
All of this could be called the Choptank River Festival every weekend.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 10:01 pm |
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strings-n-things wrote: Chris ... Thanx for coming forward .... you got 'guts' .... and, obviously, what it takes to do what's right. Without betraying your non-disclosure promise, can you comment on the reasons for the secrecy? Surely national security is not at risk! What possible legitimate reasons could there be for refusing to disclose the names of board members, and the minutes of board meetings?? The reasons I can think of are that they don't know what their job is, they use their position in a self-serving manner, or they're just not doing their job ....... and the list goes on and on.
There is no "secrecy" to my knowledge. However there are always things discussed at Board meetings that are not for the General public to hear for a number of reasons. One is that in a lot of cases ongoing projects or issues that need to be resolved do not need to be discussed in an open forum because it can jeopardize the outcome. You know as well as I do that over time things can change and until a final decision is made or an outcome is reached the act of releasing any information to the general public can cause irreparable damage. Information should only be made public after all items have been resolved, voted on or confirmed.
As to why Board Member names haven't been released....your guess is as good as mine. Sailwinds, to my knowledge, is a Not for Profit organization and therefore subject to public release of certain information. Board meeting minutes and Board Members names should be public knowledge and easily accessible. The problem is that there have been so many "board members" that were given member status but were never presented to or approved by the City Council. I don't think I was ever presented or approved. In my opinion this was another way for Grady and Troy to maintain control but I could be wrong.
As for the reason behind all the shenanigans going on now I can only speculate. I have been told that someone uses Sailwinds employees to do work for their personal business but I have no way of proving that. And to be quite honest I don't really care. I've presented the terms that I wish to be met before I will work for Sailwinds again and if Grady, Troy and the Mayor really want out they will meet them in full and with no resistance. To be honest though I think all Grady is doing is putting on a show like he always does.
In closing let me just say this. I love Sailwinds! I think it is a great place and could be 1000 times better. Currently it is being used as an ego booster for certain people and not as a focal point for the Community and I think that's pathetic. There have been many people that have been come and gone from the current Board and all that have left have said the same thing that I'm saying. We all can't be wrong. While I was there I had some great ideas that could have helped turn Sailwinds around and many other Board members had great ideas as well. By working together we could have implemented at least some of them or maybe even all but we were always met with resistance by the powers that be because in their eyes we didn't know how to get things done. We were left in the dark 90% of the time. I heard about events that were booked at Sailwinds from friends on a few occasions and when asked why I wasn't informed I was told that it was because I wasn't there when it was booked. Ridiculous. If given another chance to work for Sailwinds with a Board of Directors willing to work together and all knowing that we are working for the good of the Community and not ourselves we could make Sailwinds prosper and finally become the Community Focal Point that it should be!
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grady wilson jr wrote: strings-n-things wrote: Chris ... Thanx for coming forward .... you got 'guts' .... and, obviously, what it takes to do what's right. Without betraying your non-disclosure promise, can you comment on the reasons for the secrecy? Surely national security is not at risk! What possible legitimate reasons could there be for refusing to disclose the names of board members, and the minutes of board meetings?? The reasons I can think of are that they don't know what their job is, they use their position in a self-serving manner, or they're just not doing their job ....... and the list goes on and on.
Before you post anything on here it would be a good idea to investigate the things you talk about. The board members and minutes are public knowledge and have always be in the front office for anyone to look at. The trailer is there because I am doing work there if anyone would like to help please call me at 410-330-7452.
Don't forget there are to sides to every story
Grady ... Grady .........
What do you consider 'investigating'? Did you read my reply Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 01:50 pm. Evidently this info was not available then! Have things changed that much in such a short time, has a new leaf been turned, or are all out efforts being made to cover your butt???
FYI .... There's more excerpts to be posted as a result of my 'investigating' prior city council meeting minutes, and other sources!
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grady wilson jr wrote: Chris,
I have talked to Troy, and the Mayor give us a date that you are willing to become more involved with sail winds again, and we will walk away again.It would great for someone like you to take it over. try to do it by Wen. June 25,2008 at the city council meeting so Kenny Knox can approve it.
Grady,
That's very gracious of you but by now you must know that I don't trust you! The first time you and Troy "left" you yourself were in the Sailwinds office every day doing what you could to stir things up and interfere with things. At that time the Mayor was working on the Lone Star show and the remaining board members were completely in the dark as to what was going on ( as per usual operating procedure) and when I contacted the booking agent to get some information the Board members were told that we were not to have anything to do with that show and that the Mayor had appointed you and Troy ONLY to help. At that time you and Troy had "resigned". So why should I believe that you will simply walk away this time? And I'm sure if you did just walk away you would be nice enough to leave a few undisclosed surprises for everyone to deal with. I know you can't help yourself in that regard. It's that 3rd grade mentality you display by taking business related issues that don't go your way and making it a personal matter.
I tell you what. Here is what it will take for me to become involved again.
1) Your resignation along with Troy's and a mandate from the City Council removing the Mayor from ANY responsibility at Sailwinds, be it as a "liaison" or anything else.
2) At the time of your resignation all Keys will be turned in, any work that you have contracted to perform be finished and invoiced to you and paid in full.
3) All locks in the building be changed and all security codes for the alarm system be changed.
4) Full disclosure of any and all events and contractual information be made to Carlton Stanley.
5) A FULL Independent Accounting and Audit of all Sailwinds assets performed by an outside firm with no current contacts to the City of Cambridge. That way you or the Mayor cannot influence any of the findings.
and finally....
6) Carlton Stanley or the City Council to officially appoint me to the board.
If you can accomplish that, and then stay away from the day to day operations of Sailwinds I will gladly return to the Board of Directors. But somehow or another I don't think you will.
You know what sucks about all this is that I actually like Troy Hill. I believe left to his own devices and without the influence of Grady and the Mayor he could continue to do a good job for Sailwinds.
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Chris,
I have talked to Troy, and the Mayor give us a date that you are willing to become more involved with sail winds again, and we will walk away again.It would great for someone like you to take it over. try to do it by Wen. June 25,2008 at the city council meeting so Kenny Knox can approve it.
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strings-n-things wrote: Chris ... Thanx for coming forward .... you got 'guts' .... and, obviously, what it takes to do what's right. Without betraying your non-disclosure promise, can you comment on the reasons for the secrecy? Surely national security is not at risk! What possible legitimate reasons could there be for refusing to disclose the names of board members, and the minutes of board meetings?? The reasons I can think of are that they don't know what their job is, they use their position in a self-serving manner, or they're just not doing their job ....... and the list goes on and on.
Before you post anything on here it would be a good idea to investigate the things you talk about. The board members and minutes are public knowledge and have always be in the front office for anyone to look at. The trailer is there because I am doing work there if anyone would like to help please call me at 410-330-7452.
Don't forget there are to sides to every story
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Wow,
Thanks Chris,
I am learning alot about Sailwinds, sounding a little like the same problems we used to have were I come from. At first the comunity thought they did the wrong thing, when they got rid of the people that caused the problems, But when I left that area, the community center was thriving and more people supported it, shuch as companies and local banks, also.
I was at the hospital and noticed a home improvment trailer parked on the grounds at Sailwinds. Are they planing to build on to the place?
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| Chris ... Thanx for coming forward .... you got 'guts' .... and, obviously, what it takes to do what's right. Without betraying your non-disclosure promise, can you comment on the reasons for the secrecy? Surely national security is not at risk! What possible legitimate reasons could there be for refusing to disclose the names of board members, and the minutes of board meetings?? The reasons I can think of are that they don't know what their job is, they use their position in a self-serving manner, or they're just not doing their job ....... and the list goes on and on.
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I can shed some light on this Sailwinds thing. I am the former board member that poundhound was referring to in his post. I will not speak about any specific happenings at board meetings and will not give any specifics about votes or issues that were voted on because while as a member I was informed that all meeting information was to be kept private and until I am told otherwise by the board president I will honor that.
Having said that I will say that I believe the issues of Sailwinds that you are constantly reading about are directly due to poor management. With all due respect to Troy Hill and Grady Wilson they do a fair job at running the facility, however, event management is atrocious and, in my opinion, the way they work with customers isn't much better and above all they are not very open minded. They think that because they are in charge they know all....not so. I did the best that I could while I was there but it always seemed like my suggestions on how to do things were either swept under the rug or I was told that I didn't know what I was talking about. Again...not so. To give you some history about me, since my teens I have done everything in the entertainment industry from loading and unloading band and PA gear to touring as a Sound Engineer to participating in Recording contract negotiations with my current band ABstraXT and everything in between. I've been a performer, songwriter, recording engineer, producer and much more. If I listed everything I've accomplished in the industry I'd be typing until Monday. Does it make me an expert in the industry? No it doesn't. But it has given me insight into how to run an entertainment operation from all aspects. I understand Marketing and Promoting an event, obtaining sponsorship, advancing, sales and everything else. Common knowledge information that I presented to them based on my experiences was received, in most cases, as if it were a plague.
While I was there I was instrumental in setting up a TicketMaster outlet at the office. This would have been a major marketing tool if used correctly but to my knowledge it was not. Laura LeBlanc had a contact there and I worked with the Senior VP of TicketMaster to get things in order only to have the Mayor do everything he could to screw it up. Remember the phone call you made to Ralph on that rainy day in October there Rip? I had to convince the SVP when I called him later that day that I wasn't going to a) Yell at him or b) cancel the contract that we had signed just to get him to talk to me so I could calm things down and get things done. Not to mention that in the 3 weeks it took to get that deal done 2 other members of the board and myself had created a new seating chart for the venue, computerized it and worked with TicketMaster to format the information correctly in their system. And all to meet a ticket sale deadline for the Lone Star concert that you then didn't advertise correctly and made a mess of the day of the show.
The stage move was my idea, however, apparently they only paid attention to half of what I said. I, like a few others in the past, had suggested that the stage be moved to the back wall of the venue. BUT, I had suggested that we wait until Sailwinds could afford to purchase a stage that could be dismantled and moved. It made no sense to me to move that big stage in front of that back door without being able to take it apart and free up the door for other events. Besides, there is a sort of unwritten rule in multipurpose venue operations that says " If you can't break it down and move it off the floor it's costing you money". Translated, an open floor plan venue such as Sailwinds is much more attractive to outside promoters and potential renters if there are no permanent obstacles in the way.
I think that with the right people in that building working together Sailwinds can be a major focal point in Cambridge and could bring in some great entertainment of all kinds. I would be more than happy to become involved with Sailwinds again and have relayed these wishes to the President of the Board Carlton Stanley. But I will NOT have anything to do with Sailwinds as long as Grady Wilson, Troy Hill and Mayor Rippons are involved. It's just not worth the aggravation.
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Drifter wrote: poundhound wrote: Drifter wrote: First of all, hello everyone.
As my name may suggest, I am not originally from this area, but have been here for a few years, and have been enjoying reading this blog for quite some time. I have a couple of questions, I hope someone may be able to answer.
1. How do you become a Boardmember?
2. If you have a Boardmember that causes so much drama, and no one wants to deal with Sailwinds because of them, why don't the other Boardmembers vote them out?
I was a volunteer at a comunity center years ago, and something similar happened there, simply put, someone got booted out when they thought that they could walk over anyone they wanted to. Is this the same kind of situation?
You can either "buy" your way on like certain members have done in the past or you can be appointed. Either way you will be basically a volunteer with no real voice in anything that goes on there. The only people that make decisions there are Grady and Troy while the Mayor sort of runs interference with the City Council. They manipulate meetings and discussions by not providing you with all the information needed to make an informed decision and when something blows up in their face they are quick to blame the other members of the board. They are also the most un-organized and narrow minded group of people you can imagine. I have a friend that served on that board and he told me that during numerous events there was no itinerary for the days events, no list of who was going to be working where and when he asked he was told 3 different things by 3 different people. My friend has been in the entertainment business for years both as a performer and behind the scenes and the 3 "Muskrateers" basically treated him like he didn't know what he was talking about or doing. I can tell you this...he could run that place by himself and do 10 times the job these knuckleheads are doing and without the BS!
That is just a shame, that place seems to have much potential. I heard that a couple of years ago the place was sold out basically every month when there was an event. If that was the case, what happened?
To my knowledge when Troy and Grady became board members they somehow or another were able to take over and the people that were running it left. I don't know all the facts though because everyone I talk to gives me a different story.
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Thanks to everyone's input thus far ........
It seems that this topic has evolved into something more involved than just not giving local talent proper billing. The 'Secret Society'(Sailwinds board members), the 'Personal Agenda's'(self serving politicians, council, and board members), and the 'MUSHROOMS'(dedicated officers and volunteers that are kept in the dark and fed large amounts of BS) has become the flavor of the day!
Exerpt from City Council Minutes of Feb. 25, 2008
under 'Unfinished Buisness'
Judy Moody said she has a simple question that has gotten quite complicated. She would like to find out who the Board Members are at Sailwinds Park. Mayor Rippons suggested that she contact Carlton Stanley. Judy Moody said they do not even accept certified mail at Sailwinds. Somebody needs to investigate it. The people in the office will not tell her. A former Board Member said he was not allowed to tell her. She asked what was going on at Sailwinds Park. Troy Hill said he has advised Judy Moody to address her questions in writing and drop it off at the Sailwinds office. Commissioner Knox said they do not do anything that is listed in the Memorandum of Understanding. He has no idea who is on the Board of Directors at Sailwinds. The last time he heard, Troy Hill and Mr. Wilson have resigned. He would like to have any update. He has only seen 2 quarterly financial reports in 3½ years. They are supposed to be updated on a monthly basis on what is going to happen next month at Sailwinds. In 3½ years, he has seen 1 schedule. Most of the time he knows what is going on because of the marquee. As far as what is going on at Sailwinds, he cannot answer anything. They do what they want. Judy Moody said there is a circular file at the library that tells what Sailwinds was supposed to do, and Sailwinds needs to look at what they were incorporated for. They are far from it. It is a non-profit organization. Nobody will tell you anything. She is starting to go to the State of Maryland who they get the lease from. Mayor Rippons suggested that Ms. Moody put her questions in writing as Mr. Hill asked her to do. If she does not feel she will get an answer, she can give the same letter to the City. It will be answered.
Rob Collison said the Sailwinds Management Board is a City appointed board so City Hall should always have the status as to who the members are. He suggested that they Management Board be advised to keep the City updated on the current members.
see ... http://www.ci.cambridge.md.us/minutes/2008/02-25-08_minutes.htm
Homer .... I guess we were both wrong about too many COOKS and CHIEFS. I was reminded that you need to know your way around a kitchen to be considered a COOK, and a CHIEF needs to posess and display some leadership skills. Well, you know what they say when you ass-u-me something.
ELECTION TIMES' A COMIN'
ELECTION TIMES' A COMIN'
ELECTION TIMES' A COMIN'
SEND EM' ALL A RUNNIN' .................
And that's the name of that tune!
We're tired of having it swept under the RUG(no pun intended)!!!!
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poundhound wrote: Drifter wrote: First of all, hello everyone.
As my name may suggest, I am not originally from this area, but have been here for a few years, and have been enjoying reading this blog for quite some time. I have a couple of questions, I hope someone may be able to answer.
1. How do you become a Boardmember?
2. If you have a Boardmember that causes so much drama, and no one wants to deal with Sailwinds because of them, why don't the other Boardmembers vote them out?
I was a volunteer at a comunity center years ago, and something similar happened there, simply put, someone got booted out when they thought that they could walk over anyone they wanted to. Is this the same kind of situation?
You can either "buy" your way on like certain members have done in the past or you can be appointed. Either way you will be basically a volunteer with no real voice in anything that goes on there. The only people that make decisions there are Grady and Troy while the Mayor sort of runs interference with the City Council. They manipulate meetings and discussions by not providing you with all the information needed to make an informed decision and when something blows up in their face they are quick to blame the other members of the board. They are also the most un-organized and narrow minded group of people you can imagine. I have a friend that served on that board and he told me that during numerous events there was no itinerary for the days events, no list of who was going to be working where and when he asked he was told 3 different things by 3 different people. My friend has been in the entertainment business for years both as a performer and behind the scenes and the 3 "Muskrateers" basically treated him like he didn't know what he was talking about or doing. I can tell you this...he could run that place by himself and do 10 times the job these knuckleheads are doing and without the BS!
That is just a shame, that place seems to have much potential. I heard that a couple of years ago the place was sold out basically every month when there was an event. If that was the case, what happened?
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homer wrote: mustang1 wrote: Hey homer havent talked to you in awhile! How is everything going?
Much better , I am down in TENN. getting ready to check out a couple of concerts tonight that are in the area and stop by the Jack Daniel's Distillery in Linchburg before heading back to MD. My two weeks are almost up , I will stop by when I get back on Sun.
Yeah make sure that you stop by and see me! Hey bring me some of the Jack back!
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strings-n-things wrote:
3 Musketeers ?? .... Naw ... They were good guys! Could it be that, you were comparing this to a situation involving 3 monkeys and a football?? 
Actually I called them the 3 "Muskrateers". LOL
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mustang1 wrote: Hey homer havent talked to you in awhile! How is everything going?
Much better , I am down in TENN. getting ready to check out a couple of concerts tonight that are in the area and stop by the Jack Daniel's Distillery in Linchburg before heading back to MD. My two weeks are almost up , I will stop by when I get back on Sun.Last edited on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 10:11 am by homer
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poundhound wrote: Drifter wrote: First of all, hello everyone.
As my name may suggest, I am not originally from this area, but have been here for a few years, and have been enjoying reading this blog for quite some time. I have a couple of questions, I hope someone may be able to answer.
1. How do you become a Boardmember?
2. If you have a Boardmember that causes so much drama, and no one wants to deal with Sailwinds because of them, why don't the other Boardmembers vote them out?
I was a volunteer at a comunity center years ago, and something similar happened there, simply put, someone got booted out when they thought that they could walk over anyone they wanted to. Is this the same kind of situation?
You can either "buy" your way on like certain members have done in the past or you can be appointed. Either way you will be basically a volunteer with no real voice in anything that goes on there. The only people that make decisions there are Grady and Troy while the Mayor sort of runs interference with the City Council. They manipulate meetings and discussions by not providing you with all the information needed to make an informed decision and when something blows up in their face they are quick to blame the other members of the board. They are also the most un-organized and narrow minded group of people you can imagine. I have a friend that served on that board and he told me that during numerous events there was no itinerary for the days events, no list of who was going to be working where and when he asked he was told 3 different things by 3 different people. My friend has been in the entertainment business for years both as a performer and behind the scenes and the 3 "Muskrateers" basically treated him like he didn't know what he was talking about or doing. I can tell you this...he could run that place by himself and do 10 times the job these knuckleheads are doing and without the BS!
3 Musketeers ?? .... Naw ... They were good guys! Could it be that, you were comparing this to a situation involving 3 monkeys and a football??
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Drifter wrote: First of all, hello everyone.
As my name may suggest, I am not originally from this area, but have been here for a few years, and have been enjoying reading this blog for quite some time. I have a couple of questions, I hope someone may be able to answer.
1. How do you become a Boardmember?
2. If you have a Boardmember that causes so much drama, and no one wants to deal with Sailwinds because of them, why don't the other Boardmembers vote them out?
I was a volunteer at a comunity center years ago, and something similar happened there, simply put, someone got booted out when they thought that they could walk over anyone they wanted to. Is this the same kind of situation?
You can either "buy" your way on like certain members have done in the past or you can be appointed. Either way you will be basically a volunteer with no real voice in anything that goes on there. The only people that make decisions there are Grady and Troy while the Mayor sort of runs interference with the City Council. They manipulate meetings and discussions by not providing you with all the information needed to make an informed decision and when something blows up in their face they are quick to blame the other members of the board. They are also the most un-organized and narrow minded group of people you can imagine. I have a friend that served on that board and he told me that during numerous events there was no itinerary for the days events, no list of who was going to be working where and when he asked he was told 3 different things by 3 different people. My friend has been in the entertainment business for years both as a performer and behind the scenes and the 3 "Muskrateers" basically treated him like he didn't know what he was talking about or doing. I can tell you this...he could run that place by himself and do 10 times the job these knuckleheads are doing and without the BS!
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Hey homer havent talked to you in awhile! How is everything going?
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Hey mustang1,
 
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Hey Grady did you tell Carlton I said HI??????  
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