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| The only greasy spoon in Cambridge where I know that I have eaten and been sickened was Burger King. I have been in the kitchens of many other establishments when I found a door mistakenly left open late at nite. I saw things on those occasions that convinced me never to eat there(again). English's Chicken had grease so deep on the floor that you had to really watch your step. Gook's, aka the Patio was a roach hotel. The IBPOE of W Elks on Pine St.(they had a grease fire there last nite)was grossly dirty. McDonalds, back when Charlie whats his name owned it was a cess pool. How they stayed open thru health dept inspections amazed me. The mom and pop joints like Reds Harrisons, Bev's Variety Corner and Marcell's were generally well kept. The place I miss most? Mutt's in Secretary, best darn crab cakes and soft crabs in the county.
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CAPT WINKY wrote: Myself I don't eat at any restaurants around or in Cambridge every time I have my whole family has gotten sick within minutes of eating. I have only one restaurant I eat at, and its down Rt 16 and thats the Island Grill that has good safe food.
CW, do you or one of your relatives OWN that place? Left handed advertising. I know of NOONE ever getting sick in a local restaurant. In fact Cambridge is LOADED with good food. We eat at ALL the local restaurants... and some are struggling so the menus are smaller, or you can see that they're struggling. We eat at Royal Farms even... "Dine in" there, lol. We ate at Portside, Cambridge Grill, Pizza Palace, Peking House, Popeyes, Hardee's, Mitchums in Trappe, Snow's Turn, Dunkin Donuts, Denny's... that's in the last 3 weeks... all yummy food. It's a terrible thing to put down local businesses like that. I suggest a Doctor for you too. And if you DO have an interest in the Island Grill, I'll remember to pass on it.
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| Doesn't likely matter if Christ church makes a fuss or not. IF the restaurant is within the prohibited distance, ie 300 ft then the liquor board can't issue a license. The old High spot was grandfathered in as they were in existance prior to the date specified in the law in 1996.
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| The Bella Luna restaurant that is going in the old High Spot on High St. is busy working away in there, at least in the back part where I think the kitchen is going, and hope to be open in three or four months, I heard. I imagine they are going to serve wine with their dinners. Haven't heard a peep out of Christ Church in opposition. Has any one else. I hope not.
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 12:01 am |
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| back on point, I do not believe it was ever stated, but I could have missed it...was this a concerted effort from the Pastor of the Church, or just some random members that were questioning the proposed restaurant?
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CW, People patronize those places and pay those prices because they know you wont be there. Why are you so grumpy?
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loch ness wrote: Sometimes I wish there was a 300-foot setback from some of the negative people and attitudes on this forum.
How can we institute this one...lol
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CAPT WINKY wrote: Why would anyone support a business that charges three times more than they should, or a food service business that upon eating there makes you vomit.
Leave it to you to say something like that! Are you ever satisified with anything?
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| Why would anyone support a business that charges three times more than they should, or a food service business that upon eating there makes you vomit. Satisfaction has nothing to do with the facts herein. I guess you enjoy paying three times more than a products and food is worth, and eating nasty food at resturants here. Or maybe your just rich with deep pockets. Check this out I can go to Pa and get a lb of roast beef for a bit over $3. Lb of smoked turkey $1.29lb 50lbs of chicken for $30. 100 ears of sweet corn for $15.00. Last I bought roast beef lunch meat at superfresh it cost over $9 bucks a pound and it was nasty. And you know whats odd, the chicken comes from this area. My opinions here are some of my own and from other people I've talked to who agree with me. Last edited on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 09:26 pm by CAPT WINKY
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loch ness wrote: Sometimes I wish there was a 300-foot setback from some of the negative people and attitudes on this forum. It's a wonder we have any business at all in this town!
Well we all know that Captian Winky doesn't support any local businesses! 
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| Sometimes I wish there was a 300-foot setback from some of the negative people and attitudes on this forum. It's a wonder we have any business at all in this town!
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CAPT WINKY wrote: I've talked to several people including my doctors nurse (who got sick) everyone thinks its because the food served is too old and/or has been re-heated too many times. Some people I've talked to even have worked in several restaurants for a short time and said the kitchens are very dirty and the people that work there are dirty too. So they just quit. So its not my family and maybe you've been lucky so far but luck don't last forever. Englishs chicken I was glad to see close up, I've also noticed that they've closed in Delaware too.
CW, I haven't gotten sick either, but you make a valid point. If most folks went into the kitchens of some restaurants in town, they probably would get sick, at what they saw! there are some places in town that are just plain nasty!
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4Godncountry wrote: The new investor had better start looking for another building! I don't foresee the board by-passing the 300 ft rule, especially if some from the Church actually do oppose it! There are plenty of other empty buildings on the street, and in Cambridge.
The problem when opening a new business is they have to find the best traffic flow, easy parking, good visibility, etc. Those are all factors to having a successful business.
In my mind having new businesses downtown is important. Any way they can.
If you drive the streets of Easton, strangely many of the Churches are in a circumstance of downtown. Historical Society or a realestate is in a old church. Safeway is where an old church used to be. I wonder if Easton had the same law some time ago.
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| I've talked to several people including my doctors nurse (who got sick) everyone thinks its because the food served is too old and/or has been re-heated too many times. Some people I've talked to even have worked in several restaurants for a short time and said the kitchens are very dirty and the people that work there are dirty too. So they just quit. So its not my family and maybe you've been lucky so far but luck don't last forever. Englishs chicken I was glad to see close up, I've also noticed that they've closed in Delaware too.
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| The new investor had better start looking for another building! I don't foresee the board by-passing the 300 ft rule, especially if some from the Church actually do oppose it! There are plenty of other empty buildings on the street, and in Cambridge.
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| Winky, if this is true, then I think the problem is with you, not this many restaurants. You might want to take the fam to an allergy specialist.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 04:45 pm |
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Thats a pretty broad statement....we frequent local restaurants a lot and have never gotten sick eating at them.
We do Tapatia and Portside quite often and hit and miss others.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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| This place sounds great! I hope for the best for this restraunt and its owner!
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 03:56 pm |
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| Myself I don't eat at any restaurants around or in Cambridge every time I have my whole family has gotten sick within minutes of eating. I have only one restaurant I eat at, and its down Rt 16 and thats the Island Grill that has good safe food. Last edited on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 03:58 pm by CAPT WINKY
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| I'm going to go check it out myself. Great posts in favor, all true. Someone needs to work on getting this ordance changed as soon as possible. It is antiquated and unneccessary.
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I went by 450 Race Street tonight and noticed a drawing of the proposed restaurant and a sample menu hanging in the window. It looks pretty cool. Hopefully they will be able to open soon. We need some more good restaurants around here. According to the menu they are going to have a wood burning oven and a rotisserie.
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| "Friday" said it best with the 8 reasons for the restaurant. I walked down the street last week and was amazed at the number of vacant store fronts, once again. When is the bldg at the corner of High and Race going to be finished?? It's very sad...and 's such a shame that Easton - and even the smaller towns of St. Michael's and Oxford - can maintain such vital downtown areas while Cambridge struggles...I love Cambridge but would like to see things succeed downtown and support the local businesses.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 06:15 pm |
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| I have no problem with the proposed restaurant. However, so long as the liquor license laws prohibit the granting of a license within 300 ft of a church, therre will be no alcohol sales at the restaurant, unless folks who want the project to go forward get together and convince one of our local legislators to introduce a change in the law and push it thru the house and senate when the legislature conviens in January.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 05:29 pm |
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8 REASONS to support 450 Race Street
(1) A new affordable, familyoriented restaurant with great atmosphere and service is just what downtown Cambridge needs.
(2) This proposed restaurant is not a brewpub. It is not a tavern. Too much misinformation is going around about this project.
(3) This project will help advance the revitalization of our downtown on the nearby blocks of 500 Race Street and 400 Muir Street.
(4) Increased customer traffic in evening hours will increase public safety in our downtown and make it a more welcoming place for tourists and other visitors.
(5) These revitalization and public-safety benefits will improve and beautify the area around historic Grace United Methodist Church.Without this project, too many vacancies and dilapidated buildings will remain.
(6) This restaurant will help downtown Cambridge become a dining destination, drawing new customers to all restaurants—just like what’s happened in downtown Easton in the last few years.
(7) Asking the team developing this restaurant to spend more than $1 million on construction before they know if they’ll get a liquor license is patently unfair and hostile to business.
(8) We need more jobs and businesses in Cambridge.We need to support the investors who can bring those jobs and businesses to our downtown.
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| HEY! thats my Great Great Grandmother on the right! I am offended! LOL!! thanks for lightening up the forum! We can get pretty intense sometimes...like another thread, oh thats right, it got removed! LOL!!!
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| I'm not sure just "who" would want to touch those lips with "anything"? And your right, a very good reason to keep drinking or start drinking!! Last edited on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:29 am by greydog
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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 12:20 am |
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Greydog, that's hilarious! I'm sure some would say it's a good reason to keep drinking.
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greydog!
ROFLOL!
Thanks for the chuckle!
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| Well, here they are. Attachment: Lips-That-Touch-Liquor-Shall-Not-Touch-Ours-thumb.jpg (Downloaded 431 times) Last edited on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 11:13 pm by greydog
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After living here, I can see why young people move away, theres nothing here it's hardly changed from what I understand in the last 30 years or more. If I was still young I'd not like it here myself. As it stands I like the shopping in Delaware(hate traffic) I like the countryside in Pa(excpt for the bears shaking our campers) and the fishing in this area. Wish I could have all three without the traffic of Delaware. Last edited on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 03:33 pm by CAPT WINKY
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:52 pm |
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As a poster said a couple of pages ago, "a rising tide floats all boats", and if there ever was a street that needed more nice restaurants, shops, antique stores, cafes, theaters, and businesses to bring in foot traffic and life, it's Race Street. Especially on up towards Center Market and beyond. (A girl can dream!)
I don't know: for me, it's a slam dunk. I would love another nice restaurant on Race. The Bistro and Canvasback are good but it would be wonderful to have another choice. (I haven't been too impressed with the Grill in the evening: lunch and breakfast are great)Last edited on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 02:12 pm by MacMom
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Door to door is correct, BUT it is all in how you measure that.
Again, if it is jaywalking to cross diagonally then how can you measure the distance from that standpoint.
And we need to get this law off the books, it is not a good law.
We had to fight to get our little store in Secretary legal to sell beer and wine because of this 300 ft law. Well in our small town you cant find much that isnt 300 ft from a church on our main street. The law stands in the way of viable businesses.
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TF asked...
Is another business owner spearheading the protest to avoid competition? That's a very good question and, IMO, a very good possibility.
Excellent point TF.
God bless,
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| This is really sad people, and then people right here in Dorchester Co. wonder why there are no jobs, young people go away to school and don't want to return, and why every other city and town prosper and we don't. It is the mentality of the majority of the people that live here! Who would want to come back here, when people are trying to make the city better, but the residents keep shooting them down? And then these are the same people that will say, "I don't understand what is wrong with Cambridge. Why can't we get any decent business or restaurants?" I'm sure the majority of the congregation at Grace would be right in that restaurant having dinner and a couple of drinks if it is put there!
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| It was in the newspaper when snows turn applied for a license 300ft from door to door.
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| Again, it doesn't matter what people think about the whole issue... the law is the same in most every town, just the footage is different. What I'm saying is any person used to building and getting permits, etc. would KNOW about this law. Why is this just coming up all of a sudden? Sure it's a great idea, sure the guy should go for it, sure it's good for Cambridge... but as someone said earlier there are tons of other places not 300 feet from a Church. Was the idea to slip it past? Was it an oversight? Did the Church give an earlier impression that they didn't care? Is another business owner spearheading the protest to avoid competition? What ever the reasoning is behind the whole thing, I'll bet they will get their liquor license and noone will be the worse for wear. It's the apparant sneakiness of it all that is so creepy.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:09 pm |
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I sure hope this investor checked out the county, state, and city laws, Cambridge residents, Grace Church Board, and all the obstacles he had to face prior to plunking down his money. Sounds to me his plan for a restaurant would be good for our economy and our tummies. A place with some atmosphere as well as good food and service is exactly what we need. A replica of a farm house is something different and appealing to me. I could care less if liquor is sold but I am sure the investor would prefer to sell liquor as sales would add to his profit. Hope he did his homework first because our citizens will speak their mind yet the final decision will be made by a select few. With his plan to live above the business, I doubt there would be any inebriated persons hanging around. If so, having a church close by, may just add to its members and could be an opportunity to "save some sinners". I say give the man a break and encourage his endeavor to be successful and "don't make a mountain out of a mole hole"
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SueC writes....
Again, from what point to what point did they measure to get this 300 ft, If the property I am thinking of is where they want to locate this restaurant, you have to cross two streets to cross legally and that should be more than 300 ft. Now if they measure end to end maybe 300ft but since that would be an illegal crossing I dont think it should be measured in that manner. It is the old dime store building they are discussing, right? Aye, where McCrory's was.
About the measuring, I was told it was from door to door.
There's only one street between the two - Muir.
What's on the four corners...
Starting with the proposed restaurant, looking north and moving clockwise directly south on the opposite side there's Mike Maloney's office, heading west accross the street is Grace, heading north from that on the other corner is Colortyme.
It's a diagonal line from Grace to the restaurant, (diagonal from Maloney's to Colortyme).
Hope that helps.
God bless,
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: The establishment across from Sandy Hill School has been selling booze since before 1996, which is the date listed in the current law. IF a change in the statute were to be desired it would have to be amended by the General Assembly, which doesn't go into regular session until Jan of 09.
CC: No wonder nothing never gets done timely, Jan 09 you say?Last edited on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:42 pm by CAPT WINKY
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| The establishment across from Sandy Hill School has been selling booze since before 1996, which is the date listed in the current law. IF a change in the statute were to be desired it would have to be amended by the General Assembly, which doesn't go into regular session until Jan of 09.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 11:28 am |
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Again, from what point to what point did they measure to get this 300 ft,
If the property I am thinking of is where they want to locate this restaurant, you have to cross two streets to cross legally and that should be more than 300 ft.
Now if they measure end to end maybe 300ft but since that would be an illegal crossing I dont think it should be measured in that manner.
It is the old dime store building they are discussing, right?
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| With all the empty & falling down buildings and trashed-vacant lots in Cambridge, I'd just find another suitable place to open or build a resturant on. Or is it an actual resturant or just another watering hole for drunks?
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MacMom writes...
Wow. Good thing he said he was joking. Can't imagine what the reaction would have been had he been serious.
Whatever reaction one would imagine (nice word) in my response, regardless of the way it is.
God bless,
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MacMom wrote: Wow. Good thing he said he was joking. Can't imagine what the reaction would have been had he been serious.
The joking part was edited in by scrapple while I was responding. Many in these threads are not joking, and would have needed a response like i posted! I quess in scrapples case I typed to quickly. Sorry!
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Mainly the existing law. After talking with a member of the liquor board, I would agree with that person the law should be upheld.
IMO, what could be done is have a relook at that law. On the opposite side, I see there is, thanks to Muir Street, a natural demarcation. In others words, if I can say this right, and i'm sleepy, the demarcation overrides the 300ft rule. Like, one's crossing into slightly dif. territory.
The other objections, which I'm sure you might disagree which is fine with me, like I posted below, IMO, there's enough alcohol.
If it were me, I probably would not try a restaurant (now that 's just me) - maybe an arcade, something special for youth - children - safe place to play while parents shop downtown.
God bless,
Pete
PS - edit here - I'm heading to bed. I need my beauty sleep !
PPS - that's 3 edits from me, too sleepy, heading for bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
PPPS - 4 edits
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| What are your reasons? Seriously. You seem like a reasonable person; what obligations would you have against a restaurant of this type?
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Really, if a church were to make a judgment nice selection of a word 
that paying adults should not be allowed to responsibly consume an alcoholic beverage with dinner, just because this restaurant would be 300 feet from said church -- during hours nobody is even there worshipping, no less -- then it is overstepping its boundaries.
First, as I pointed out, that church is open more than what you mention. Counseling, etc.
Second, what boundaries? I know of no boundaries on free speech in this matter.
I don't even live over there, and I might speak up against it - because I pay taxes. I am a citizen. Ditto for the folks of Grace.
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Wow. Good thing he said he was joking. Can't imagine what the reaction would have been had he been serious.
I don't drink often, but I do know that there is something special about having a nice Merlot with a wonderful meal. Just because alcohol is involved doesn't mean drunks vomiting in the street.
I understand wanting an fuller accounting of what the restaurant is to be, and to have a voice in liquor board rulings, but the impression I got (and I could be wrong) is that there was sort of a knee-jerk reaction from the pastor to his flock to band together to protest the new addition to the neighborhood. I hope that is not what happened.
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I have no problem with people organizing to question actions in their community; nothing of the sort. It's just that in this case, there is no valid argument against the kind of establishment being proposed. And no, I would have no problem with a nice (read: high-end) restaurant that happened to serve alcohol being open near a school. I certainly don't ever recall being outside a place like Out of the Fire in Easton or The Bistro in St. Michaels when a gaggle of dangerous drunks staggered outside, swaying the minds of innocent young children.
It's a different subject entirely, but generally the more children are taught alcohol is the sweaty dripping of Satan -- instead of a common substance that can be used responsibly -- the more likely they are to abuse the hell out of it.
Really, if a church were to make a judgment that paying adults should not be allowed to responsibly consume an alcoholic beverage with dinner, just because this restaurant would be 300 feet from said church -- during hours nobody is even there worshipping, no less -- then it is overstepping its boundaries.
Let's hope they don't press the issue. Again, go back and read the beginning of the thread. This is no Chicken Man. This is a nice place.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 05:05 am |
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Pete Macinta wroteOk scrapple, let's make believe Grace isn't a church but is a school. What would your words be for that scenario? This really wouldn't change anything. There is a store across from Sandy Hill that sells alcohol. There also is a store across from CSD that sells alcohol (and sometimes they don't even card (I watched a 16 year old try to buy alcohol until I informed the clerk that they were underage)).
Even if it is going to be a microbrewery, it doesn't mean that beer is going to flow into the streets and from the faucets. Brewing beer is quite easy (I do it myself) and doesn't mean that the place is going to be a dive. I'm not saying that the church doesn't have a right to question it, I just don't see why it's that big of a deal.
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