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MacMom wrote: Religious right is the term I prefer.
Obama is an impressive man with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations with other serious, well-informed people; married a serious, intelligent woman and together have a mature, adult partnership based on respect and equality. Palin’s “inexperience” and Obama’s “inexperience” are in no way equivalent.
This post has had me chuckling all afternoon! Even you have to admit, it's a little over the top.
I can just see you as a fly on the wall at the Obama house- noting all of his extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership. You've been there through his adult life while he was thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations with other serious, well-informed people; married a serious, intelligent woman and together have a mature, adult partnership based on respect and equality. Where did you come up with that?? Did you read all that on the INTERNET???
You left out the details of his sex life! But in your mind, I'll bet he's serious, competent and mature there too! LOL! 
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That's a deal.
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MacMom wrote: You may be all of those things and more, but from what I've seen of John McCain, he is someone who is a self-described "maverick": a person who seems to take some pride in being reckless and impulsive.
I think at this point it would probably be as productive as anything else to understand that we will never agree about this.
I think that you are right. In a couple of years I will send you my "don't blame me I voted for McCain" Bumper sticker! lol
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You may be all of those things and more, but from what I've seen of John McCain, he is someone who is a self-described "maverick": a person who seems to take some pride in being reckless and impulsive.
I think at this point it would probably be as productive as anything else to understand that we will never agree about this.
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MacMom wrote: Religious right is the term I prefer.
Obama is an impressive man with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations with other serious, well-informed people; married a serious, intelligent woman and together have a mature, adult partnership based on respect and equality. Palin’s “inexperience” and Obama’s “inexperience” are in no way equivalent.
I am an extremely organized person, I have discipline and have held numerous leadership positions. I also think serious thoughts. I surround myself with serious well informed people. I married an intellectual woman, and have a mature partnership. If you think this qualifies Obama to be president, than I guess I would be qualified as well, and half the forum members.. The only thing that I do not have is 150 days in congress. Please, your argument just doesn't hold water!
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I don't need to re-read it, nor do I have to "think" about what I wrote.
However, you might want to think about why you would cling to a party that apparently assumes the government can and will responsibly manage nuclear weapons and trillion dollar wars, but ridicules the idea that that same government could ever be entrusted to administer healthcare to uninsured children.
Only in your world would having a president who is thoughtful and intelligent and not impulsive and reckless be a bad thing.
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 08:31 pm |
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MacMom wrote: Religious right is the term I prefer.
Obama is an impressive man with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations with other serious, well-informed people; married a serious, intelligent woman and together have a mature, adult partnership based on respect and equality. Palin’s “inexperience” and Obama’s “inexperience” are in no way equivalent.
I can't get over this. You talk about experience and you have OBAMA.
Your last sentence is 100% correct.
I am glad to hear that "thinking" makes someone qualified to be the President.
Does discipline include smoking and doing drugs in the past?
Re-read what you just wrote and "think" about what you just said.
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| I consider myself a member of the Religious Right. As an old time Roman Catholic, I don't fit the definition of Evangelical.
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Religious right is the term I prefer.
Obama is an impressive man with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations with other serious, well-informed people; married a serious, intelligent woman and together have a mature, adult partnership based on respect and equality. Palin’s “inexperience” and Obama’s “inexperience” are in no way equivalent.
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If critical qualifications for Republican VP no longer includes more than minimal experience or a strong background in economics, but does requires alliance to the views of the religious right on creationism, reproductive choice, and gay marriage, then I think you guys got your girl.
Evangelicals is the term.Not religious right. And she certainly does line up with Evangelical Christian beliefs. Experience in the Vp slot, again is not as big an issue. Experience in the #1 position is. If you do not think she has enough experience to be #2, How in the world can anyone think Obama has enough to be #1? Dumb argument!
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room14 wrote: While I do not like either candidate, I must say that the spin that the Republicans are putting on this Palin thing is awesome. I am truly impressed. It's funny how the self-righteous Right-wingers are saying that she is a regular person with regular problems. If Obama had a 17-year old daughter that was with child, the whole fox news nation would descend on him like hurricane Katrina. This is a crazy pick for VP, purely political; again I must say that I am impressed.
Your post is 100% bulls**t. You liberals have crossed the line on Palin. There is so much out there on Obama that is not even being talked about. I like how a 22 year old DWI was out in the news about Palin's husband. I believe when Obama was about the same age as Palin's husband was at the time he was doing lines of Coke.
I like have Obama touts his "running the campaign" as his executive experience. Palin had more executive experience on her first day as Governor than Obama does now.
That is the strory that the libs don't want in the new so they are going for personal attacks.
If you liberals are proud of how this is being handled than I am very disappointed. I am embarrassed for our country.
Remember this is McCain vs Obama. Not Obama vs Palin. I think that you all are worried about the McCain vs Obama.....
I am not a liberal nor am I a Democrat. I know that Obama would be raked over the coals if things were switched, that’s what you guys expect from liberals, but now we see that conservatives have issues too. I am not a fan of the Democrats, and I am by no means fan of Conservative Republicans and their "Our poop don't stink mentality". Breath of fresh air my butt, they are just trying capitalize on the disgruntled Hillary crowd and hustle more votes
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 04:57 pm |
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If you liberals are proud of how this is being handled than I am very disappointed. I am embarrassed for our country.
Remember this is McCain vs Obama. Not Obama vs Palin. I think that you all are worried about the McCain vs Obama.....
I'm sorry that you're disappointed and embarrassed, but I guess that's the way it goes.
On the other hand, I am proud of my party for questioning the choice of Palin because McCain is 72 and has had multiple medical issues, and as much as Republicans want to minimize it, his VP having to step in if he's disabled or dead is well within the realm of possibility, and affects all of us. Conservatives are freaked by Mitt's religion, Tom Ridge is pro-choice, Joe Lieberman belongs, sort of, to the wrong party. And none of them are women. If critical qualifications for Republican VP no longer includes more than minimal experience or a strong background in economics, but does requires alliance to the views of the religious right on creationism, reproductive choice, and gay marriage, then I think you guys got your girl.
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room14 wrote: While I do not like either candidate, I must say that the spin that the Republicans are putting on this Palin thing is awesome. I am truly impressed. It's funny how the self-righteous Right-wingers are saying that she is a regular person with regular problems. If Obama had a 17-year old daughter that was with child, the whole fox news nation would descend on him like hurricane Katrina. This is a crazy pick for VP, purely political; again I must say that I am impressed.
Your post is 100% bulls**t. You liberals have crossed the line on Palin. There is so much out there on Obama that is not even being talked about. I like how a 22 year old DWI was out in the news about Palin's husband. I believe when Obama was about the same age as Palin's husband was at the time he was doing lines of Coke.
I like have Obama touts his "running the campaign" as his executive experience. Palin had more executive experience on her first day as Governor than Obama does now.
That is the strory that the libs don't want in the new so they are going for personal attacks.
If you liberals are proud of how this is being handled than I am very disappointed. I am embarrassed for our country.
Remember this is McCain vs Obama. Not Obama vs Palin. I think that you all are worried about the McCain vs Obama.....
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While I do not like either candidate, I must say that the spin that the Republicans are putting on this Palin thing is awesome. I am truly impressed. It's funny how the self-righteous Right-wingers are saying that she is a regular person with regular problems. If Obama had a 17-year old daughter that was with child, the whole fox news nation would descend on him like hurricane Katrina. This is a crazy pick for VP, purely political; again I must say that I am impressed.
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| Maybe everyone's forgotten that this all started with the fact that skinny Mrs. Palin was 7 months pregnant and noone could even tell when she announced it. She had the baby when 8 months pregnant and those that hadn't heard her original announcement were shocked. SHE chose to put her daughter into the eye of the media storm when some news outlet questioned whether the daughter was actually the baby's mother. That's a weird way to handle things! A birth certificate would have been kinder than throwing her daughter to the wolves. Now, the dems aren't the ones picking on her, it's McCain they're picking on. Every republican male I know had many rude comments in re: to Hillary, and now they're "stuck" with a woman themselves, which I find so amusing! She seems like a good woman, but she will go through the ringer as Hillary and Obama did, and to a small degree McCain did. He is stupid enough to believe all the Hillary supporters only wanted to vote for a woman.
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 05:53 am |
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But the reality is different than your theory.
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My theory is that it's ignorance from the right. See ya.
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That's right smoke and mirrors from the far left until it doesn't make sense anymore.
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Well, none of it's making any sense at all, now. People are going to look at our exchange in the morning and think we were drunk.
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MacMom wrote: Gordy wrote:
Why did you totally change your post after I answered you?
I changed it because I didn't want to be that mean, but your answer pissed me off again. You changed yours, too! We'll never keep it straight.
Gordy Wrote :
I had to change mine after you erased what you said. That is only common sense to do that
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I wasn't going to erase it, Gordy. I stand by my opinion of you.
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GORDY WROTE :
Just so you can't erase what you said.
MacMom Wrote :
MacMom wrote: I think that EXTREME dem means someone smarter than you.
That's is the only theory I need since I've become tired of your repeated, simplistic single-word dismissal of opinions that don’t match yours. It must be so nice to know in your simple way that the only reason someone could possibly have a alternate opinion is because they are filled with hate.
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Gordy wrote:
Why did you totally change your post after I answered you?
I changed it because I didn't want to be that mean, but your answer pissed me off again. You changed yours, too! We'll never keep it straight.
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 05:42 am |
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Now you are hating on me. Or will you change that entire post too after I have answered you?
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And now, I'll collect my consolation prize at the door!
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I think that EXTREME dem means someone smarter than you.
That's is the only theory I need since I've become tired of your repeated, simplistic single-word dismissal of opinions that don’t match yours. It must be so nice to know in your simple way that the only reason someone could possibly have a alternate opinion is because they are filled with hate.
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Why did you totally change your post after I answered you?
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Please define "extreme" Dem for me. What does that mean to you?
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One of my favorite parts of the Republican Convention tonight was when Andrea Mitchell asked Joe L. if Sarah Palin would be able to take over for John McCain if, God forbid, anything were to happen to him.
Lieberman said, "Let's assume the best, John is in great shape."
A ringing endorsement for Sarah.
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I applaud Obama's statement. What I was saying was the extreme Dems on here are hateful not Obama.
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MacMom wrote: Gordy wrote: I don't recall any scrutinizing of the Biden kids and especially their friends. Dems are so hateful.
Love this!
You better believe that if there was anything to report on the Biden kids, it would be out there. It's not because conservatives are just such nice people.
You are so cute, sometimes, Gordy...
Gordy, I don't think this is to hateful. Did any one hear what Obama said about kids and politics? Obama's word's follows.
Obama on Palin
Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."
"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."
On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:
"I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: IF there is something negative about Biden's kids out there, and I have no knowledge of it, the liberal media will not cover it unless forced to. They didn't cover the Edwards affiar until that muckracking Enquirer broke the story.
This is the reason why i really do not listen to,(or take seriously) what the liberal media has to say. They sway more voters with their half-truth garbage than anybody. All of the so called political analysts they use are so biased against Republicans and Christians, it is awful, just awful!
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Thank you very much.
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You too, Gordy.
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crimecruncher is totally right.
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You just keep telling yourself that, CC, if it makes you feel any better.
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| IF there is something negative about Biden's kids out there, and I have no knowledge of it, the liberal media will not cover it unless forced to. They didn't cover the Edwards affiar until that muckracking Enquirer broke the story.
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Here just have some fun:
http://www.salon.com/ent/video_dog/comedy/2008/09/02/rsu_tobykeith/index.html?source=video&aim=/ent/video_dog/comedy
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You understood what I said then, hahaha.
Frustration in politics does bring out confusing moments though.
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Well, then, that's really nice of them: us mean 'ol Dems really appreciate it!
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| There is plenty to talk about on Biden's kids. Republicans just do not need to bash his kids or bring up their personal problems or investigations to challenge the Dems. Their platforms and policies with be the down there.
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Corn Nugget wrote: MacMom wrote: No, you're right. Their mother chose to put them in the media circus.
Umph......a Campbell Brown supporter. Your being old news here Mac. Tons of stuff all over the internet already proclaiming this is all a media driven circus and many Democrats have already admitted why. See the other thread on that.
It's probably just me, but half the time I have no idea what you're talking about...
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Gordy wrote: I don't recall any scrutinizing of the Biden kids and especially their friends. Dems are so hateful.
Love this!
You better believe that if there was anything to report on the Biden kids, it would be out there. It's not because conservatives are just such nice people.
You are so cute, sometimes, Gordy...
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Yes, Gordy. Republicans are so open-minded and loving on this forum. You can dish out punishment, but when anyone questions the choice of a Rep. candidate (or the lack of knowledge leading to that choice), you can't take it.
Just admit, it was a foolish pick.
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MacMom wrote: No, you're right. Their mother chose to put them in the media circus.
Umph......a Campbell Brown supporter. Your being old news here Mac. Tons of stuff all over the internet already proclaiming this is all a media driven circus and many Democrats have already admitted why. See the other thread on that.
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That's exactly what I said. What's your point?
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If anything she’s a living example that her mother's no sex ed, no birth control world doesn’t do any better at preventing pregnancy than the fact and reality based world does.
Mac, you saying Sarah Palin and her family are just regular human beings, and the Mother has no differently worked to acheive life goals while dealing with life's problems and things that can arise. Cool.
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I don't recall any scrutinizing of the Biden kids and especially their friends. Dems are so hateful.
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No, you're right. Their mother chose to put them in the media circus.
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MacMom wrote: Were Palin not a woman, and not a mom, she wouldn't be anywhere near the Republican ticket. Her motherhood is the crux of her public image. If Palin wants to get all up in my ovaries by working towards eliminating reproductive choice I don’t see why her daughter’s should be so d**n sacred. I agree with not picking on a 17-year old kid, but I'm afraid that Bristol doesn't have any choices, either to have a baby or even whether or not she marries what sounds like a real humdinger of a future husband.
If anything she’s a living example that her mother's no sex ed, no birth control world doesn’t do any better at preventing pregnancy than the fact and reality based world does.
I don't agree with what is going on amongst our younger generation, but I wonder if the Internet and cell/picture phones were around when you were a teenager, what your my space would have said.....leave these Kids alone! They didn't chose to be put in the media circus.
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