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Were Palin not a woman, and not a mom, she wouldn't be anywhere near the Republican ticket. Her motherhood is the crux of her public image. If Palin wants to get all up in my ovaries by working towards eliminating reproductive choice I don’t see why her daughter’s should be so d**n sacred. I agree with not picking on a 17-year old kid, but I'm afraid that Bristol doesn't have any choices, either to have a baby or even whether or not she marries what sounds like a real humdinger of a future husband.
If anything she’s a living example that her mother's no sex ed, no birth control world doesn’t do any better at preventing pregnancy than the fact and reality based world does.
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Oh Please! President Clinton can do what he did in the white house with Monica, and you guys are worried about a 17 year old daughter of a future VP getting pregnant???
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scrapple wrote:
"I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. "But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."
"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.
He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."
Gee Sounds like Teddy Roosevelt, in his younger years.
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Yeah, I dug that story up and wrote it for the New York Post, didn't you know? Sorry, I found that bit funny, especially the clincher.
So, John McCain really knew so much about the woman/family he was getting into, he secretly wanted these kinds of topics overshadowing his convention. I'm sure this is the next claim. It's falling apart for him and don't be surprised to see Palin step aside. Then he can actually pick a running mate he's worked with before and stop pandering to evangelicals.
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Scrapple, now you are going after the daughters boyfriend? You also need a life.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:55 pm |
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Sounds like a match made in heaven.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:54 pm |
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Just f---in' chillin' I guess. Hilarious. From story of the father-to-be of V.P. daughter baby, Levi Johnston, in the New York Post:
On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. "But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."
"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.
He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."
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Corn Nugget wrote: Well, it was interesting that no hoopla was made about Chelsea and her relationship with McKenzy (sp), the son of the man involved with Nigerian email fraud to the tune of 10 million + in this country. Good story but hoopla. Course the guy was released during Hillary's 08 run. Maybe no Democrats got burned so was not important news.
I only conclusion I can come up with is that no Democrats are stupid enough to fall for a Nigerian email scam. Republicans, however...
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:43 pm |
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This is interesting, from "War Room" blog:
"According to the Tax Foundation, which tracks such things, Alaska ranked among the top 6 in per-capita federal receipts each of the past seven years (1999-2005) for which TF reports data. (The link starts, alphabetically, on Alabama--another major teat-sucker, a top 10 recipient every year since 1990!--but just click the arrow in the top right once to reach the Alaska page.) Surely Sarah Palin rejects such largesse, right? Wrong. According to the WaPo: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group.
There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project--all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage.
Btw, when you divide 6,700 into $27M, that works out to more than $4,000 per person.
Rugged individualism, self-reliance, freedom from the feds...the Alaskan way!"
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:35 pm |
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| Well, it was interesting that no hoopla was made about Chelsea and her relationship with McKenzy (sp), the son of the man involved with Nigerian email fraud to the tune of 10 million + in this country. Good story but hoopla. Course the guy was released during Hillary's 08 run. Maybe no Democrats got burned so was not important news.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:41 pm |
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She really did look great- And they were very unkind to her. Even during her mothers campaign, they still tried to bring up her father & Monica Lewinski to her!!!
I bet she hates the media- I would.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:08 pm |
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I think Chelsea got the last laugh anyway: she was gorgeous at the Democratic Convention.
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Exactly Jlivin. Gov Palin has about as much political experience as the Senior Senator from Ill., but he's at the TOP of the ticket. The Constitutionally mandated job of the VP(unless the untinkable happens) is to preside over the US Senate. All that that job takes is a knowledge of Senate rules and Roberts Rules of Order. She will get experience. BHO has little experience and will have his finger on the nuke button from day one.
Reno is Chelsea's daddy? best joke I have heard this morning. I do not consider the humor on late night TV to be part of the political process. I've been watching Leno for years and give him credit, he roasts Repubs and dems with equal fervor. What is supposed to be hard news is a different story. The questions about Gov Palin's disabled baby and her daughter's pregnancy are none of the media's business nor ours for that matter. Niether issue affects her fitness nor ability to govern. Most of the BS that is being bandied about is getting its start from http://www.dailykos.com , a far left hate website. When former Pres press Sec Tony Snow as suffering from terminal cancer they were wishing him a speedy death. that is not responsible journalism
Obviously Gov Palin is a woman, but if she were a guy she would have a great big pair of brass ones that clanged when she walked. I like the lady.
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| I'd rather have the Vice Presidential candidate lack experience than have the Presidential candidate lack experience.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 02:27 pm |
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The pregnancy of the Palin girl is not an issue in this campaign but what the real issue is the lack of experience that Ms. Palin has. Let's face it, no one has had experience being a President or Vice-President before they actually became one so technically, if you look at it that way, Obama nor McCain are experienced. But I think that McCain could have picked a more seasoned running mate whether that be a man or woman. Obama and McCain are "green" at this Presidency thing but Ms. Palin is far more "greener."
It seems to me that this Presidential Campaign is not being taken serious by the Republicans. It's like they either are willing to concede this first four years or have some sort of trick up their sleeve or know something that we don't know. I think that there are many Republicans out there that are not feeling this pick and nervous about having an older President that if something were to happen to him, be led by someone as inexperienced as Ms. Palin. I have nothing against Ms. Palin other than her experience. As a Democrat, I would have rather seen McCain pick a more experienced running mate to challenge Obama/Biden from a competitive standpoint.
But this choice also makes me nervous because it's strange, weird and speaks of something amist. I mean when you vote for a President, you give strong consideration to their choice for V.P. because if something happens to the President, it's the V.P.'s ship then and you want someone that you have some confidence in to continue running this country. McCain's choice is questionable, weird, strange, etc....
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:10 am |
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: I must give him credit, he was on the news tonite and said loud and clear that the Palin girls pregnancy and family matters in general were not part of the campaign.
They can all say this, but it's the sad reality of modern politics. If Palin hadn't wanted her children to be thoroughly prodded by the T.V. business, she didn't have to accept the nomination. Think about all the hell Chelsea Clinton heard -- by comedians, late-night shows, etc. -- when she was a minor.
McCain himself once said at a party fundraiser: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
Should candidates' families be granted privacy? Sure. But they haven't been for quite some time and I don't think things are about to change. So, when people decry the horrible rumors and unwanted, harsh national (ed.: let's make that international, because it's been picked up around the world) spotlight on a pregnant 17-year-old -- blame her mother for putting her there!
I've been reading Alaskan newspaper sites and people there are just as confused (also say there is as of yet zero evidence of a thorough vetting process, interviewing Alaskan officials, legislators, business leaders ...) as those in the lower 48.
It's almost as if McCain is getting his revenge on Rove's character-smearing 2000 campaign by sinking the flaming remains of the neocon ship himself, hoping a better incarnation of the Republican party emerges from the wreckage in four years.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:51 am |
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It's always funny after reading comments like that, C.C., to think of all the times the Rove-era Republicans have accused "liberals" of hysteria and exaggeration. And also of "spin" which is something all political machines use. For instance, just now, there are news sites saying Palin's 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy has won the hearts of evangelicals and shows "she deals with the same problems we all do."
Great spin.
This whole revelation, while irrelevant perhaps to her individual politics, highlights how little McCain knew -- or knew about -- her in the first place. He will of course never admit to not knowing this latest nugget, because it would be political suicide for him to do so. But come on -- he didn't know. There is no way he would have wanted this news to overshadow the beginning of his convention if so.
Someone in his vetting team is getting chewed out royally tonight.
Ah, in a story to run Tuesday, we finally get this: "Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin." Last edited on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:59 am by scrapple
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| I probably will. I think that he and his political philosophy are as dangerous to the American way of life as Bin Ladin. I see the USA placing the noose around our collective necks by voting for the dem ticket. I do not want his finger on the button nor do I want him to be answering the 0300 phone call in the event of a crisis.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 03:53 am |
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: As I said earlier, Obama's momma had him while she was an unwed teenager. I must give him credit, he was on the news tonite and said loud and clear that the Palin girls pregnancy and family matters in general were not part of the campaign.
Thank you CC. You called him Obama and gave him credit. I'm sure you will go back to the other name you call him soon.
What gulls me is you are calling a United States citizen(and he is ,you just don't like him) a name that killed over 3,000 people in the United States, on 9/11. You are disrespecting the ones that died because of Osama bin Laden.
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| As I said earlier, Obama's momma had him while she was an unwed teenager. I must give him credit, he was on the news tonite and said loud and clear that the Palin girls pregnancy and family matters in general were not part of the campaign.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 02:31 am |
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I'm just trying to imagine right now the comments that would be swirling among the right-wingers here if Obama had a 17-year-old child who was pregnant (d**n, even if he had five kids, that might be fodder, too). You can say you wouldn't use it against him, but somehow I doubt it ...
I've got it: Sarah Palin is part of a wild Alaskan breeding cult!
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| Abstinance may or may not work. Parents can tell kids till they are blue in the face not to engage in certain behavior. How many of us listened when mom and pop said saty away from booze, drugs, tobacco, pool halls or whatever? Short of a chastity belt, or locking them in their room 24/7 there is really no way to insure that a kid won't experiment. Besides, at 17 I would think that there are more than a few young ladies who while taught abstinance at home, fall for a good line of BS from a guy who wasn't. I would be willing to bet that lots of otherwise good well behaved teenagers sow wild oats on Saturday nite and then Sunday morning ferverently pray for a crop failure.
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 02:04 am |
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It is a fishy story. I'll have to see some more substantiated proof.
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scrapple wrote: She will, however, be expected to deal with questions about her solid endorsement of "abstinence only" approaches to sex education, a failed policy that is supported by very few. Apparently it didn't work for her daughter either.
Please, It is not a failed policy. As a parent, You can teach them and keep them as close as you can, but you cannot be with them 24/7. We can only pray and hope that what we have taught them stays with them. Abstinence only is the only approach taught at my house. If one strays, it is not because they have not been taught properly. If our children have a personal relationship with Jesus, it will guide them on such decisions.
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| The story alleging that Gov Palin's baby was actually born by her daughter seems to have originated on that despicable looney tune leftist web site http://www.dailykos.com. Their record for accurate reporting is far worse than the Enquirer and those other gargbage papers that one can buy at the checkout counter at Safeway.
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| We had a VERY effective method of birth control- no sex or our parents would kill us. I wasn't quite so bad with my kids. I would've supported them 1000% as long as no little rugrats moved into my house, lol. Seriously though, for her to bring it out to prove the downes syndrome baby was her own, well that's a weird way to do it. Somethings rotten in Alaska.
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http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
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Sounds about right.
I grew up with brothers and heard all the jokes about the girls they "dated" that they told each other: it made me a lot smarter about guys in general. I love my brothers but they gave me a healthy bulls**t detector that I think I passed along to my daughters.
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| My wife gave them a nity gritty explaination of what's what. Two things I tried to impress on both girls: a guy will say/do/promise anything to get a girl to say yes, and when the putz stands up, the brains get buried in the ground. I was a teenage boy once upon a time and wanted to impress upon them both what a wolf a testosterone driven male can be.
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:48 pm |
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What did you do with your own kids?
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| I got zip from the school and my folks(except for being told DON'T) in the sex ed dept. I did figure out that there was a good chance of pregnancy if I were to become sexually active. What I was trying to say previously is that any parent who provides birth control to their child will likely be seen by that child as giving them the green light to become sexually active. I know that had my parents handed me a box of condoms when I was a teen I would have figured that they were approving of me using them(there weren't many other options at the time)
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:24 pm |
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Another reason for sex education is by being extremely clinical and specific about sex and it's potential dangers and consequences, you minimize at least some of the mystery and romance to which kids are drawn.
I also had several sex education classes and all it made me want to do was never have sex, ever. That, combined with a parent (not my mom!) who really gave me the nuts-and-bolts facts between the eyes, kept me a virgin until I was 22.
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I think that's the classic argument that's never been substantiated: sex education = tacit approval of sexual activity. Hey, I had plenty of sex ed. growing up and it certainly didn't affect when I had sex.
Never knew anyone whose sex lives were influenced or jumpstarted by sex education. Hell, if anything, it scared the hell out of me in middle school! Of course abstinence in itself is a great idea for young people -- unfortunately, it's not the reality, so why pretend that it is? Why not give developing teenagers the information they need about what is happening to their bodies, what can happen if they have unprotected sex, etc.?
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| All things considered abstinance is not a bad idea. In my youth, the worst thing that could happen was an unplanned pregnancy, today sex can kill. Unfortunately, kids don't always listen to their parents, I know that I didn't. The problem with parents backing anything other than abstinance is that they are often seen as giving tacit approval to their kids being sexually active. I'm real glad my kids are grown.
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She will, however, be expected to deal with questions about her solid endorsement of "abstinence only" approaches to sex education, a failed policy that is supported by very few. Apparently it didn't work for her daughter either.
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| No I don't think its bizzare that she had to out her daughter. I think it says volumns about the intrusiveness of the yellow dog press in this country. Things that happen between people in the bedroom are their business, unless some laws are broken. I think that applies to private citizens and politicians. Unfortunately, sensational stuff like this sells papers.
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| Who's busting chops? You don't think it's bizarre that she had to "out" her daughter NOW, because of suspicions about her own baby? How strange is THAT?
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I would suggest that Sen McCain, and likely Sen biden and other long timers know when they need to be there and when absence is not all that big of a deal..,.the junior Senator from Ill has only been a Senator for 2 yrs. While there are not votes every day, in my book it is very improtant for a freshman legislator to be in attendance, unless of course he is more interested in being POTUS than he was in getting into the Senate. Kind of reminds me of O'Taxme who was so busy running for Gov he couldn't do what the few taxpaying folks in Bawlmer paid him to do.
BTW wasn't Osama's momma pregnant at 16? with him" I don't hear any of you dims and libs busting anyones chops over that. DO I DETECT A DOUBLE STANDARD?
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| Maybe I'm misinformed, but it's usually older mothers that are tested during pregnancy because of the risk of her eggs deteriorating. She must have LOOKED pregnant, unless they're insinuating she stuffed her clothes with a pillow. She also could have produced a birth certificate, or can you fake that? It's not anything at all negative toward Gov. Palin, it's just so weird, and so sad for the daughter. I can't imagine what it's all about.
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: I forgot to mention, since Osama got elected to the US Senate, his attendance record has to be abysmal. He has spent much of his term pandering for votes for POTUS instead of attending to his duties representing the people of Illinois. I'm sure glad I am not one of his constituents with his absentee record.
OINK and you forgot to mention that mccain's record is even WORSE than Obama's. THANKS FOR BRING THIS TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
By Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's vote Wednesday for a controversial warrantless surveillance bill marked a rare event: the 12th day this year that the Illinois Democrat turned up for a roll call vote in the Senate.
His Republican presidential rival, Arizona Sen. John McCain, has an even worse attendance record: six days. McCain, who skipped votes Wednesday on Medicare and surveillance so he could campaign in Pennsylvania and Ohio, last cast a Senate vote on April 8.
The first election to feature two sitting senators is providing a stark barometer of just how long and distracting presidential campaigns have become. The Senate's roll call votes help illustrate how much time this year's presidential hopefuls have spent on the campaign trail.
McCain has cast 36 of the Senate's 169 votes this year, according to a USA TODAY analysis. Obama: 70 votes.
Their truancy began in 2007, long before the primaries and caucuses. McCain's voting participation score, as tabulated by non-partisan Congressional Quarterly, dropped from 91% in 2006 to 44% last year. Obama fell from 99% in 2006 to 66% last year.
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: I forgot to mention, since Osama got elected to the US Senate, his attendance record has to be abysmal. He has spent much of his term pandering for votes for POTUS instead of attending to his duties representing the people of Illinois. I'm sure glad I am not one of his constituents with his absentee record.
Oink Oink. You mean like John McCain not voting to take the absurd oil company profits and invest them into solar and wind power. You mean like mccain bucking that vote?????
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thinkfirst wrote: ST. PAUL, Minn. - John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's.
Didn't mama look pregnant? Weird.
I was just watching C-Span and this very subject came up. Some in the party feel like the information should have come directly from Gov. Palin and not the news media. A statement is forthcoming they said. Some weirdos will think , at least there was no abortion involved. Others will say what kind of parent is she ? Did she not allow her daughter to have access to birth control, or teach her good moral values. It will be very interesting to see what bearing it has on the election, if any. One caller called in and did say she was an undecided until she heard this, and now she is voting for Obama. The news report says the daughter plans to marry the father, but many are upset that Palin didn't mention it sooner. It will interesting to see if her baby with Down's syndrome is the Governors or her daughter's.Last edited on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 07:50 pm by Just wondering
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ST. PAUL, Minn. - John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's.
Didn't mama look pregnant? Weird.
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CRIMECRUNCHER wrote: Something else plays into votes in Congress. While a bill may have an innocent sounding title and original intent that would make it sound like good legislation, legislators often attach sneaky riders to bills to get not so good stuff thru that would otherwise not have a prayer. Hypothetically, you could have a school lunch bill, mandating better nutrition for school kids, that most are inclined to vote for, and then some member of the House or Senate attaches a rider to fund a big budget busting pork barrel project in their home district. Its easy for someone to say after the vote that Senator Bunker or Rep Smith voted against child nutrition, when in fact, the member in question voted against a piece of pork barrel legislation.
That is absolutely true. I think a lot of good intentions are railroaded that way and it shouldn't be allowed.
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 04:25 pm |
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| I forgot to mention, since Osama got elected to the US Senate, his attendance record has to be abysmal. He has spent much of his term pandering for votes for POTUS instead of attending to his duties representing the people of Illinois. I'm sure glad I am not one of his constituents with his absentee record.
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 04:05 pm |
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| Something else plays into votes in Congress. While a bill may have an innocent sounding title and original intent that would make it sound like good legislation, legislators often attach sneaky riders to bills to get not so good stuff thru that would otherwise not have a prayer. Hypothetically, you could have a school lunch bill, mandating better nutrition for school kids, that most are inclined to vote for, and then some member of the House or Senate attaches a rider to fund a big budget busting pork barrel project in their home district. Its easy for someone to say after the vote that Senator Bunker or Rep Smith voted against child nutrition, when in fact, the member in question voted against a piece of pork barrel legislation.
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 03:45 pm |
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Just wondering wrote: Here clips of her flipflopping will be shown now!!! Any one of Hill's supporters who vote for mccain are stupid to let themselves be manipulated by the enemy. If they change their vote to mccain, and vote against everything they were voting for in the first place, who needs um. We don't need people like that in the Democratic party, people who can be manipulated so easily to vote pro life when they have been for pro choice their whole livesETC. I think mccain will be surprised that not that many women who supported Hill are stupid enough to fall for his last ditch effort to win.
Here is an interesting vote McCain ducked:
The question to ponder is, what if there was a vote to decide if $13.5 BILLION in TAX BREAKS for the OIL COMPANIES should go into oil alternatives such as solar and wind power instead of said TAX BREAKS????? Would you want your Senator to vote yes?
Well there was a vote like that: RENEWABLE FUELS, CONSUMER PROTECTION AND ENERGY ACT OF 2007 U.S. SENATE ROLLL CALL VOTE.
JOHN MCCAIN DUCKED THIS VOTE. IT NEEDED 60 TO PASS, AND THERE WERE 59 VOTES IN. AS A RESULT, INSTEAD OF POWERING MILLIONS OF HOMES WITH CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY, WE ARE NOW GIVING EXXON MOBILE, AND OTHER OIL COMPANIES BILLIONS IN TAX BREAKS, WHEN THEY ARE MAKING WORLD RECORD SHATTERING PROFITS, NEVER BEFORE SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF BIG OIL !!!!
IF HE IS ELECTED, BIG OIL WILL KEEP PROFITING AT RECORD LEVELS, AND WE, THE U.S. CONSUMERS WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BUY OIL FROM THEM, WHEN WE COULD HAVE BEEN INVESTING IN SOLAR AND WIND POWER TECHNOLOGY.
MORE OF THE SAME IF MCCAIN IS ELECTED. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, THINK ABOUT IT. DO NOT PUT A MAN IN OFFICE WHO IS DRIVEN BY BIG BUSINESS INSTEAD OF THE EVERYDAY MAN!!!!! THINK OF YOUR KIDS AND GRAND KIDS.
I think you should have mentioned that the vote (59) you mentioned was on the Cloture motion and it did not pass. The actual bill did pass with 65-27, 7 not voting. As well as the votes of Not Present or Not Voting by Obama, many prior to his being a Candidate, many have occurred since, for Clinton also, and McCain as he was on the campaign trail during that vote. Apparently acceptable by both Rep and Dem constituency during campaigns. Those NOT acceptable would be exampled by Obama prior to his campaign run.
I guess we need to ask, Did you just intentionally lie or was it yet another example of your not paying attention to the article you submit to us?
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 03:38 pm |
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pineknot wrote: You all would vote because a candidate is pretty?
I would. Have you seen the White House politicians in the recent past (including first ladies)?
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 03:25 pm |
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After my eyes have hurt for a long time looking at the likes of big Mouth Barbara Mikulski, Hillary, Boxer, Feinstein &Pelosi all of whom would make a freight train take a dirt road, its refershing to see a female politician who is attractive. Remember I came out for McCain well before he picked anyone to be his running mate. The fact that I agree with her on many issues doesn't hurt either.
As far as qualifications,, if Osama is qualified to be POTUS based on his very thin resume, then Gov Palin is well qualified to be Veep.
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:52 am |
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pineknot wrote: Just wondering wrote: Speaking of mccain's health, did anyone watch C-Span book t.v. today? I showed Mccain at the Cubs baseball stadium talking about his book and after he walked up into the stadium, he was soooo out of breath he could hardly talk. Then while he was talking to the interviewer, every now and then some woman would run up behind him and comb his hair. He was still breathing heavy, so much so it was very noticeable, even when he was walking in the parking lot on an even surface. This tells me one thing. He is really out of shape, or he has heart trouble. You shouldn't be out of breath like that! So, suppose he kicks the bucket. What then? TROUBLE with a capitol T.
I didn't see that JW.
McCain is a smart guy. I am concered about his health and age. Plus having his VP pick running the country if something happens to him. That worries me. At least Obama has picked a seasoned veteran. Whom can help in foreign affairs and realations.
Too bad it's not part of the Vice President's Constitutional job description to help with foreign affairs and relations.
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