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| One sure way to get this topic removed unless it is immediately edited. Lost respect for you on that one scrap.
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| Now That is just crude scrapple....little far dont ya think....??
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It sure is. (d**n, you all sure can't take what you dish.)
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| Of course its a fake, photo shop is a wonderful program
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Good god, would you stop.
IT'S FAKE.
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| Now you done it Grey. JW gonna freak out again.
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oldmarylander wrote: "Hottest VP from the coolest state" &"Our mama beats your Obama"
I'd Say!!Attachment: VP Sarah.jpg (Downloaded 190 times)
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rockfish2004 wrote: maybe we will get lucky and odama won't make it till Nov.
Why don't you expand on that deeply intellectual point of yours.
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scrapple wrote: Sure she's hot -- she was the breast candidate available.
She's reading her lines fine. Her delivery is a bit rigid and unremarkable; I didn't know she had a Minnesota-esque accent. But seriously, why are they repeating the same stories about McCain, all on the same night?
There is also the complication of her saying all these things about a man she met once for 15 minutes before last week. I mean, I can see how all her talking points are hitting well with Republicans, but it seems all the "we" references are a bit hollow when most nationally didn't know her name six days ago, and know next to nothing about her.
She was the breast candidate ever. What a reason to vote for her. The picture of her in a bikini holding a gun was not her. She said she was slightly embarrassed by it as they put her head on another's body. Google it up and you can see where Palin is talking about it not being her body, only her head!!!! You guys will fall for anything.
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Has anyone read this yet?
By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
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| "Hottest VP from the coolest state" &"Our mama beats your Obama"
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| wow rockfish....better be careful saying that stuff......
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| maybe odama won't make it till Nov.
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| maybe we will get lucky and odama won't make it till Nov.
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Gordy wrote: Then after that get a life.
He doesn't actually ever contribute anything or add to a discussion, but you can always count on 'ol Gordy to get those witty zingers in there!
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Jlivin wrote:
This post has had me chuckling all afternoon! Even you have to admit, it's a little over the top.
I can just see you as a fly on the wall at the Obama house- noting all of his extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership. You've been there through his adult life while he was thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations with other serious, well-informed people; married a serious, intelligent woman and together have a mature, adult partnership based on respect and equality. Where did you come up with that?? Did you read all that on the INTERNET???
You left out the details of his sex life! But in your mind, I'll bet he's serious, competent and mature there too! LOL! 
Mmmm, Obama sex life.... Of course I don't know for sure, but I'll bet he's a great lover: he's great at everything else, so why not that? On the other hand, I don't want to even think about what ol' McCranky is like in bed... yuck...
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You say the attention should be on Palin but you keep bringing up the daughter and boyfriend. What say you?
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The attention should be going toward Palin, and it will when they debate and if she opens herself to non-scripted questions. My point was, it's hilarious that the McCain camp talks about not wanting attention on the pregnant daughter, yet they're using to their advantage with evangelicals and trotting the father-to-be out as a prop.
You have to be cynical when it comes to campaign appearances. They're very highly orchestrated.
How did you know I worked for Le Monde? I'm doing undercover investigations on American blogs, posting from France!
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scrapple wrote: I only know his self-description of "f--ckin' redneck" who likes "f--ckin' around" and will "f--k you up" if you mess with him. Along with photos of him, lots of liquor and the Palin daughter. And that he listed "doesn't want kids," which is all funny.
Of course like anyone who suddenly finds (unwanted) attention, all this info. was yanked from his site. It's still out there by those who made copies.
I wonder, given your forum demeanor, what your personal myspace would look like if it was available when you were young and stupid, of course I don't know that you still aren't. It seems that all of the Attention is going toward the pregnant daughter, what about the enlisted Son? The special needs child? Do you possibly work for the liberal media?
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They know so much because the liberal media is working full time to find any and every fault the family has.
I just wish that they would spend 20% of their time on Obama so that all of his past will come out. He has pretty much had a free pass from the press.
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I only know his self-description of "f--ckin' redneck" who likes "f--ckin' around" and will "f--k you up" if you mess with him. Along with photos of him, lots of liquor and the Palin daughter. And that he listed "doesn't want kids," which is all funny.
Of course like anyone who suddenly finds (unwanted) attention, all this info. was yanked from his site. It's still out there by those who made copies.
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How do you know sooo much about this guy?
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| He is the father of their grandchild and will soon be a son-in-law, why hide him or refuse to acknowledge his existance. I'd be willing to bet that there are lots of families across the country that have grown in similar circumstances. At least he and his wife to be are doing the right thing, he will be her husband and not" my babies daddy".
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So you don't find any humor in the fact that a teenage, partying guy (who wasn't then?) who happened to get his girlfriend pregnant was being trotted out for the cameras, greeting McCain on the tarmac with handshakes?
A bizarre stage prop. It's like: "Hey, liberal media, leave these kids alone ... so we can use them!"
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| "The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of 'personal discovery.' This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn't just need an organizer," Palin said, a clear reference to Obama's time as a community organizer in Chicago.
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Gordy wrote: Then after that get a life.
LOL!!!!!!
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Then after that get a life.
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HOLY SH*T. You all need to watch tonight's Daily Show to see some good hypocracies caught on tape. Seriously. When the opening segment posts online, I'll post it.
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HATEFUL ! !
scrapple wrote: I will say, though, McBangingYourDaughter Stage Prop boy really cleaned up nice in his blue blazer.
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| Best line of the nite? Obama's biggest concern about terrorists is whether they have been read their rights!!!
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| I will say, though, McBangingYourDaughter Stage Prop boy really cleaned up nice in his blue blazer.
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| Best convention speech I have heard since Ronald Reagan in 1980.
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One word: IMPRESSIVE
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Sure she's hot -- she was the breast candidate available.
She's reading her lines fine. Her delivery is a bit rigid and unremarkable; I didn't know she had a Minnesota-esque accent. But seriously, why are they repeating the same stories about McCain, all on the same night?
There is also the complication of her saying all these things about a man she met once for 15 minutes before last week. I mean, I can see how all her talking points are hitting well with Republicans, but it seems all the "we" references are a bit hollow when most nationally didn't know her name six days ago, and know next to nothing about her.
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scrapple....that was pretty good.....BTW, though she's not that good a speaker, am i the only one that finds gov. palin kinda hot.....?
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scrapple wrote: I really get a kick out of how the party of upstanding morality (remember Dan Quayle chastising the show Murphy Brown for her -- grown, adult, professional -- character having a kid out of wedlock) is making a big show out of trotting the hockey kid who knocked up Palin's girl out to St. Paul. With a fresh haircut and clean clothes.
Now, you can preach all you want about "don't bring families into this," but I doubt the right-wing contingency here would be so upstanding were the situation the opposite. I recall C.C.'s flame on Obama: "Just what we need, someone who's mother waited for food stamps and doubtless a welfare check to fall into the mail box monthly running the country."
And now I imagine how all of you, who abhor character attacks, would react if Obama had a 17-year-old daughter who was pregnant, by the black equivalent of this self-described "f--in' redneck" who likes "f--in' around, f--in' chillin'."
Picture a young black kid, perhaps one "with those danged Ghetto Blasters in their cars driving around playing (C)rap "music" at full volume" (if the image helps, C.C.). Flashy hat, puffy pants. The works.
Man, I know I'm just playing in a hypothetical world, and I won't drag this on forever, but I can just visualize the nationwide scorn of the right. Decrying the scourge of pregnant black teens, black parenthood, etc. -- and loving every minute of it. Even those who didn't take a racist angle would blame the Democrats' lack of "family values."
Yet in the world of perpetual spin, this Palin kid's gestation is suddenly marketed as an asset to the evangelicals and "regular folk" out there. And now we have the Republicans using Levi Hockey as a stage prop at their convention.
You've got to love the irony. Politics is a strange game.
Thank you scrapple you are right on point!!!! Conservatives and hypocrasy go hand in hand lol!!!
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This is a detailed blurb I found about the McCain NYT piece. I would agree that the NYT is slightly more interested than average in liberal issues, but so is the city in which it's based. I would imagine the Houston Chronical publishes more about conservative isses based on its demographic, for instance. But my point is I've not seen a "liberal media" trend among mass outlets. If anything I think we have a complacent media that nowadays is very non-confrontational to power.
"Times officials said that the decision not to publish Mr. McCain’s submission should not be considered a total rejection of the article by the presumptive Republican nominee. Rather, David Shipley, editor of the Op-Ed page, kicked back the original version while offering suggestions for changes and revision.
Here’s Mr. Shipley’s email response on Friday to Michael Goldfarb, a member of the McCain team and frequent writer for the senator’s blog, McCainreport:
Dear Mr. Goldfarb,
Thank you for sending me Senator McCain’s essay.
I’d be very eager to publish the senator on the Op-Ed page.
However, I’m not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written. I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft. Let me suggest an approach.
The Obama piece worked for me because it offered new information (it appeared before his speech); while Senator Obama discussed Senator McCain, he also went into detail about his own plans.
It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, timetables and measures for compelling the Iraqis to cooperate. And it would need to describe the senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out
how it meshes with his Iraq plan.
I am going to be out of the office next week. If you decide to re-work the draft, please be in touch with Mary Duenwald, the Op-Ed deputy. …
Again, thank you for taking the time to send me the Senator’s draft. I really hope we can find a way to bring this to a happy resolution.
Sincerely,
David Shipley
Andrew Rosenthal, the editor of the editorial page and Op-Ed, issued this statement today about the process undergone by editors in reviewing submissions:
It is standard procedure on our Op-Ed page, and that of other newspapers, to go back and forth with an author on his or her submission.
We look forward to publishing Senator McCain’s views in our paper just as we have in the past. We have published at least seven Op-Ed pieces by Senator McCain since 1996.
The New York Times endorsed Senator McCain as the Republican candidate in the pesidential primaries. We take his views very seriously."
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| If there is no liberal bias in the media, they why did the NY Times refuse to publish a piece by Senator McCain that refuted a piece they had run a few days prior that was authored by Obama? There has been a strong perception of a left wing bias by much of the media, print and electronic since LBJ was President. In my opinion, the bias has gotten stronger and more pronounced over the last 12 yrs or so.
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| I would also like to remind the bulk of Palin's speech was written before they settled on a V.P. pick. Probably similar to Biden's situation, too, don't know.
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Author/attorney Glenn Greenwald wrote this in his blog (partial; he goes much more in-depth):
The very notion of the "Liberal Media" is one of the most inane myths in American politics -- something spat out and repeated in the lowest right-wing sewers for so long that it has become conventional wisdom -- but Halperin's frequent vouching for that myth, in his role of "journalist," illustrates all one needs to know about him. The media's contempt for both John Kerry and Al Gore was matched only by their reverence for George Bush's swagger. The first several months of media coverage this year was dominated by Jerimiah Wright, lapel pins, bowling scores, Bittergate and elitism. And it is highly unlikely that there has even been a time in American history when the media was as subservient to Government as they were during the Bush era. It's literally hard to imagine a claim that ought to be more discredited in general than the notion of the "liberal media" and its "anti-Republican bias."
But specifically to attribute the media scrutiny of Sarah Palin to this mythical "anti-Republican bias" is absurd beyond description. Palin is undoubtedly the most mysterious and unknown individual to be inserted into our national political scene in decades, if not longer.
First off, the right -- which plays "the media" as well as anyone, brilliantly especially under Rove's planning -- uses the same media to spread the notion of "a liberal media." This has a spreading effect among their less-educated followers of mistrusting journalism and information in general. "Don't trust what you read, trust us." -- "Don't trust information and data, trust what you feel."
The approach is very facist in nature.
There is also the tactic of inventing left-wing attacks, repeating them through the media, and then vociferously defending themselves against these imaginary, spiteful attacks.
Look, the left uses the media in its own nefarious ways sometimes. But this is how the right uses it. "Liberal media?" Yeah, try Pacifica Radio or Harper's Magazine or The New Republic. The big dogs out there -- even Fox, which will become Obama's best friend if the times call for it -- are as status-quo as possible. They are corporate entities, interested in preserving their market share.
Hardly a liberal concept. And by the way, who has gotten better treatment from "the media" over the years than John McCain? Good god, he's even a Daily Show hero!
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that all sounds great...but they're REAL young.....I'm interested to see how that turns out. their intentions are good, but they don't even understand life on their own yet, much less living with a mate, much less adding a child to the mix.
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| The biggest difference between the Palin girl's situation and that of many teenagers? She and the child's father are standing up, doing the right thing and it would appear are going to raise the baby in a two parent home WITHOUT the aid of the government financing, ie food stamps, medicade a house in the projects etc. In short they are accepting responsibility for their mistake.
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I really get a kick out of how the party of upstanding morality (remember Dan Quayle chastising the show Murphy Brown for her -- grown, adult, professional -- character having a kid out of wedlock) is making a big show out of trotting the hockey kid who knocked up Palin's girl out to St. Paul. With a fresh haircut and clean clothes.
Now, you can preach all you want about "don't bring families into this," but I doubt the right-wing contingency here would be so upstanding were the situation the opposite. I recall C.C.'s flame on Obama: "Just what we need, someone who's mother waited for food stamps and doubtless a welfare check to fall into the mail box monthly running the country."
And now I imagine how all of you, who abhor character attacks, would react if Obama had a 17-year-old daughter who was pregnant, by the black equivalent of this self-described "f--in' redneck" who likes "f--in' around, f--in' chillin'."
Picture a young black kid, perhaps one "with those danged Ghetto Blasters in their cars driving around playing (C)rap "music" at full volume" (if the image helps, C.C.). Flashy hat, puffy pants. The works.
Man, I know I'm just playing in a hypothetical world, and I won't drag this on forever, but I can just visualize the nationwide scorn of the right. Decrying the scourge of pregnant black teens, black parenthood, etc. -- and loving every minute of it. Even those who didn't take a racist angle would blame the Democrats' lack of "family values."
Yet in the world of perpetual spin, this Palin kid's gestation is suddenly marketed as an asset to the evangelicals and "regular folk" out there. And now we have the Republicans using Levi Hockey as a stage prop at their convention.
You've got to love the irony. Politics is a strange game.
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shillamus
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 01:43 am |
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10:35 ET...
Dad will be asleep already.
California will be rocking.
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shillamus
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 01:36 am |
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Nothing here.....
My wife changed the channel.
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shillamus
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 01:25 am |
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Does Sarah Palin exist?
My Dad says he is going to bed if she don't come on by 10.
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thinkfirst
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 01:22 am |
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You know, McCain and Palin are either going to garner a LOT of empathy, maybe even pity, but otherwise it looks like a big soap opera. Pity might buy votes. I'll be laughing all the way to the polls. I can't WAIT to see how it all plays out. Experience won't be an issue soon, brains will.
"It's over," said Noonan, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.
"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political bulls**t about narratives," she said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."
Murphy chimed in:
"The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."
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shillamus
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 01:01 am |
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I heard the decision was made with 3 days left....
hmmm...
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 01:00 am |
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| Anyone heard what time Palin will show???
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 12:39 am |
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I normally don't post anything when it comes to politics but.... you guys make me laugh!!!
I will not say if I am either Democrat or Republican. My choice, my voice!
I do need to ask who on here has the perfect live, with the perfect spouse, perfect children, job, house???? Who has never made a wrong choice, a wrong decision etc... I am happy for you if your spouse is wonderful and does everything for you. Your children don't come home pregnant, you have never been arrested, etc.... That's great, good for you. Most people/politicians have skeletons in their closets. Come on people you aren't that perfect. lol
Edit: Adding this----I know you will tell my that they are in politics and should be held at higher standards----- well they are humans just like you and me. We all make decision we wish we could change!!!
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