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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 03:48 pm |
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Farmer wrote: Interesting
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 03:04 pm |
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Interesting
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LeaningLeft wrote: SueCarol wrote: Not when it is the US government and if they need more money they just take more from the working class.
Yup, look at what the last eight years did to us.
The last six MONTHS has done more damage that the last eight years combined. Do the math.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 02:46 pm |
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| Nothing compared to what the next four will do.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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SueCarol wrote: Not when it is the US government and if they need more money they just take more from the working class.
Yup, look at what the last eight years did to us.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 02:22 pm |
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SueCarol wrote: Not when it is the US government and if they need more money they just take more from the working class.
Actually Sue it effects everyone not just the working class. The working class I will say pays more but it effects the poor even harder. I will explain at another time about stupid government programs I am aware of. I think the lower income suffer the most because they don't have much to start with, and the people on government programs such as welfare are really slammed because whatever they get in the least 6% of that goes right back to the government everytime they make certain purchases. So you get welfare and give a lot of it right back so you have that government DOG Collar around your neck and just can't get it off, to get ahead. Thats sad.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 01:49 pm |
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| Not when it is the US government and if they need more money they just take more from the working class.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 01:48 pm |
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| What do you mean next crisis? If the government would be run like most private citizens and would manage their home and money when bills and services like electric, water and heating was too high they would cut down to save money. They would stop spending and spending like our government does and get a handle on their expense's. If you can't afford a T bone steak, then you eat hamburgers, if you can't afford hamburgers then you eat spaghetti. If your heating bill is too high then you turn the heat down and dress warmer. Correct?
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 11:13 am |
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I will answer your question.....I support military effort in Afghanistan and the completion of military effort in Iraq on a timely basis.
I believe we should continue to have presence in the Middle East for the considerable future although I hope we can wind down the heavy military action that has been needed there.
As for Obama, I wish I could believe he knows what he is doing but because of his stands on the Middle East I am concerned as to who is guiding him and what his plans for these actions are.
I hope he is actually beginning to understand that military action is necessary there but he ran for office with such total opposition to having troops there that again I wonder.
Is this a case of him finally getting it or just hypocrisy. I guess we will see in time.
But I do have to smile at Pres. Obama's realization that much of what Pres. Bush was doing was right and his having to actually adopt much of that agenda and I really smile at those on the left who crucified Bush continually having to bite their tongues so as not to find fault with their president for doing the same thing.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 02:56 am |
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| Wow. So glad you could answer my perfectly innocent question as ridiculously as possible.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 02:34 am |
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LM...I am 100% behind Strength Through Superior Critical Firepower...however Uhbama preached the opposite during his messiah tour.
Haven't YOU noticed HE lied to you????
I am highly amused by the liberals SILENCE on all the broken promises by your "boy".
I laugh in your general direction only because to laugh in your face would be about as effective as Uhbama LYING to your face...you liberals aren't smart enough...to pick up on the simpliest of clues...lying laughing...ahhhh uuuhhhmmmmm liberal logic...
Spin it...ignore it...he is lying to you...I am amused by his "faithful followers" such as you and LL and the few others here...
I will be around to either see you come to your senses, or your head will explode...eventually you too will have enough...it is just tough to admit that in less in 200 days he is a real F$%^ up...is'nt it?
Even Biden is getting a clue...and in a few more days you will hear more rumblings from Hillary...
The gig is up...as the famous black racist said..."the chickens are coming home to roooooost"
I will repeat I support our troops at all times...I just pray harder for their safe return because of their inept rookie CIC is recklessly leading them into Afghanistan without a plan.
OHH I know YOU know Uhbama's "plan" will you be so kind to SHARE the "plan" with us??? HMMMMM?????
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Church Creek Person wrote:
LeaningLeft wrote: ........ Snipping to save space ..........
CCP, your a good representation of your party. Thanks for proving every time you post just how far out in left field some in your party are.
AHHHHH LL...you silly 'lil girl...
YOU are in LEFT field you goof ball!
I'm in the RIGHT field. Sheesh...hint YOUR name is a "clue"
As for my party...
We are going to STOMP the liberal left's ARSE in the 2010 election.
I will be leading the victory parade at your expense...
CHEERS!
OHHHH your "boy" sent 20 THOUSAND troops to Afghanistan today...
BOY isn't that a sign of HOPE AND CHANGE
Go ahead and spin it or ignore it...I know it eats your "heart out"...
CCP, I'm curious.
Are you happy with Obama's decision to send more troops to Afghanistan? Or are you still upset because it is an Obama decision?
Just... wondering.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 12:58 am |
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LeaningLeft wrote: ........ Snipping to save space ..........
CCP, your a good representation of your party. Thanks for proving every time you post just how far out in left field some in your party are.
AHHHHH LL...you silly 'lil girl...
YOU are in LEFT field you goof ball!
I'm in the RIGHT field. Sheesh...hint YOUR name is a "clue"
As for my party...
We are going to STOMP the liberal left's ARSE in the 2010 election.
I will be leading the victory parade at your expense...
CHEERS!
OHHHH your "boy" sent 20 THOUSAND troops to Afghanistan today...
BOY isn't that a sign of HOPE AND CHANGE
Go ahead and spin it or ignore it...I know it eats your "heart out"...
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 03:26 am |
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War can create good, and sometimes it is unavoidable. You can pretend that it will go away all that you want.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 10:03 pm |
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Agree with you LL that war is never a good thing BUT sometimes it is the ONLY thing you can do.
May I ask you this and please answer it honestly if you can....IF only one side is willing to be peaceful how do you attain peace.
Just saying you want peace does not make peace possible.
You have to have two sides willing to sit down and come to an agreement for peace and if you dont have that you can not attain peace unless you are willing to fight the other side to win that peace OR you are willing to give up and allow the other side to win.
Are you willing to give up and allow the extreme muslim terrorists to win and control our lives...
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 09:57 pm |
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Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote: Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote: Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
So those jobs that are created from war are worth the destruction of a human lives?
You skipped over the democracy and freedom part.
Really? Who would have noticed? And you skipped over the part where people like Cheney profit off of wars. See the connection? Nah, didn't think so.
LL, you started off in fifth gear. Show me where I said jobs created from wars was a good thing. I didn't. I merely added jobs to your list which included death. Although death is a fact of war, our independence and freedom are the end that justifies the means. I deal with it, you need to also. My son leaves this week for a stint in the navy, so please don't come back with some comment about how I'm not close to the situation.
My hat is off to your son and I give my thanks for his service. BUT, DO NOT think for one minute that you are the only one who has or does or did have family serving.
Resisto, war is never a good thing no matter how you slice it. You can justify it all you want.
CCP, your a good representation of your party. Thanks for proving every time you post just how far out in left field some in your party are.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 07:50 pm |
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LeaningLeft wrote: Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote: Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
So those jobs that are created from war are worth the destruction of a human lives?
You skipped over the democracy and freedom part.
Really? Who would have noticed? And you skipped over the part where people like Cheney profit off of wars. See the connection? Nah, didn't think so.
LL, you started off in fifth gear. Show me where I said jobs created from wars was a good thing. I didn't. I merely added jobs to your list which included death. Although death is a fact of war, our independence and freedom are the end that justifies the means. I deal with it, you need to also. My son leaves this week for a stint in the navy, so please don't come back with some comment about how I'm not close to the situation.
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LeaningLeft wrote: resisto wrote: LeaningLeft wrote: Nothing like a smack in the face on an otherwise beautiful day. Seems like wars keep us in debt but yet we never learn.
Yes, I sure wish the government hadn't borrowed anything to fund the Revolutionary War. We all know wars never accomplish anything.
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Yes, I need something more to convince me that you aren't just paying lip service to the idea that war: is necessary/can do good/is not a right wing plot.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 06:25 pm |
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When Uhbama has over 12% unemployment...and many of them young men...
Your hope and changer will resort to the DRAFT...he is not a deep thinker and he will give in to black leadership's pressure.
Wait and see.
Uhbama is going down in flames...and FAST...his white token Biden has fessed up...THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS...the white token also said...they really don't know HOW to handle N.Korea.
Face it LL Uhbama is clueless and helpless...
HELL Colin Powell has given his homey bad marks...said his boy ain't cutting it!
Uhbama will buckle and he will give in to "tried and true" tactics that are BROUGHT TO HIM BY...
D E M O C R A T S!
THEY are the loons!
Clueless clown following the Democrat Loons
Yes those are the facts LL live and love it silly lil girl...the nest 120 days are going to be more of
WE TOLD YOU SO!
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 06:15 pm |
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Be very careful LL...the loons you fear are the liberal lefties who LOVE the draft...do yourself a favor and look up Charlie Rangel and get his "logic" as to why HE wants the "draft".
H.R. 393
You are too partisan to realize what you detest is IN YOUR PARTY YOU LOVE and EMBRACE...silly lil girl...
Hear I will help you since you won't find this in HUFFY LAND...
Happy reading LL!
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On January 8th of 2003, Congressman Charles Rangel [D—NY] began an extensive campaign to bring back the military draft. He repeatedly submitted legislative bills to begin a military draft and compel all American men and women up to the age of forty—two to serve two years of military service. Under the Republican—controlled Congress, such bills went down to defeat.
One of the few notable supporters of the draft was Congressman John Murtha [D—PA]. Congressman Murtha reportedly is preparing to campaign to take over the highly influential position of House Majority Leader. Congressman Rangel is set to take over the House Ways and Means Committee. Two proponents of a military draft will most likely take over two key leadership positions in the new Democrat—contolled House. Surely they were not lying to America when they proposed a draft? They would not make such a serious proposal for a mere political cheap shot, would they?
As recently as last February of 2006, Rangel once again introduced draft legislation. In a press release he stated,
"Every day that the military option is on the table, as declared by the President in his State of the Union address, in Iran, North Korea, and Syria, reinstatement of the military draft is an option that must also be considered, whether we like it or not," Congressman Rangel said. "If the military is already having trouble getting the recruits they need, what can we do to fill the ranks if the war spreads from Iraq to other countries? We may have no other choice but a draft."
Congressman Rangel says that the requirements of continued war in Iraq would necessitate a draft. Thus it is important to determine whether the new democrat controlled congress will continue the fighting or change course and withdraw US forces from Iraq.
Now that the Democrats are in control of the House and the Senate, a review of their previous policy decisions on the Iraq war will be an important indicator of where the new Democrat Congressional leadership will take the direction of the war. Despite many promises among Democratic incumbents and Democrats to disengage in Iraq, in June of 2006 Senate Democrats overwhelmingly rejected a bill to lay a time table for troop withdrawal from Iraq.
The bill was written by Senator Kerry with only six Democrats voting for the withdrawal. It should also be noted that nearly half of the Congressional Democrats voted for the war in 2002. In late 2005, many Democrats in the House voted against proposals for both an immediate withdrawal and a time table. Considering recent history, the Democrats are unlikely to take a position of disengagement.
As such, it is possible that Congressman Rangel's latest draft proposal will come up for consideration in the House. With Murtha riding heard over the Democrats, he may well push them to approve Rangel's draft legislation submitted earlier this year. Rangel and Murtha both served in the military at time of war in Korea and Vietnam respectively. The draft was in effect at the time each man was in the military. Both have called for it publicly or submitted legislation. How long can it be until they get what they asked for now that they are in charge of the House?
According to a press release from the new Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (D—CA) we can expect an escalation in fighting in Afghanistan. Congresswoman Pelosi said in a press release just a few weeks ago,
'President Bush's failure to finish the job against terrorism in Afghanistan before launching his ill—advised invasion of Iraq has made the lives of the Afghan people more difficult and the American people less safe. The war against terrorism is in Afghanistan, and unless the President makes winning that war an immediate priority, the risks to the security of the United States will continue to grow.'
Clearly the new Speaker intends to increase troop strength in Afghanistan. She should find support in senior Senator John Kerry (D—MA) who stated in September of 2006,
"When did denying al—Qaida a terrorist stronghold in Afghanistan stop being an urgent American priority?" Kerry said. "How is it possible that we keep sending thousands of additional U.S. troops into the middle of a civil war in Iraq but we can't find any more troops to send to Afghanistan?"
Since no Republican voted for the draft when it was submitted previously it is likely President Bush will veto the measure the next time it comes up for a vote. It does not seem likely that the Democrats will be able to overcome a veto despite the calls to expand the war in Afghanistan and refusals to approve withdrawal from Iraq.
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What a bunch of loonies!! Lets create wars because they create JOBS! Only from raving lunatics AKA, GOP.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 06:03 pm |
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Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote: Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
So those jobs that are created from war are worth the destruction of a human lives?
You skipped over the democracy and freedom part.
Really? Who would have noticed? And you skipped over the part where people like Cheney profit off of wars. See the connection? Nah, didnt think so.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
Wars = JOBS, JOBS, JOBS...
Wait and see...Uhbama will resort to the last known quick employment program...aka "the draft".
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 05:59 pm |
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LeaningLeft wrote: Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
So those jobs that are created from war are worth the destruction of a human lives?
You skipped over the democracy and freedom part.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 05:57 pm |
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Farmer wrote: LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
Geez, smart answer Farmer. Really? So those jobs that are created from war are worth the destruction of a human lives? Yeah, jobs for Halliburton and other arms of the right wing.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 04:51 pm |
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LeaningLeft wrote:
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
Jobs
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 04:35 pm |
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resisto wrote: LeaningLeft wrote: Nothing like a smack in the face on an otherwise beautiful day. Seems like wars keep us in debt but yet we never learn.
Yes, I sure wish the government hadn't borrowed anything to fund the Revolutionary War. We all know wars never accomplish anything.
Sure they accomplish many things, democracy, freedom, death, destruction, debt. Need I go on?
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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LeaningLeft wrote: Nothing like a smack in the face on an otherwise beautiful day. Seems like wars keep us in debt but yet we never learn.
Yes, I sure wish the government hadn't borrowed anything to fund the Revolutionary War. We all know wars never accomplish anything.
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 08:26 pm |
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Nothing like a smack in the face on an otherwise beautiful day. Seems like wars keep us in debt but yet we never learn.
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090704/D997DOMG0.html
Yep this will be the crisis that the Obama administration uses to raise taxes.
This article is somewhat depressing.
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