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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 04:15 am |
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Most of us in the rural areas have just given up on ever getting any affordable highspeed access around here.I do not NEED it,but it would be nice to watch Youtube videos or download music,neither of which is easy with a max of 40kbps.Nobody can tell me it cant be done-I worked for a telecommunications company for a long time and it is possible but would take a huge investment in infrastructure,something no companies are willing to do.They waste massive amounts of money marketing DSL only to tell you "no" when you call them on it.Anyone who wants it and CAN get it already has it,so it looks like they would make an effort to expand it.
The spotty DSL coverage in Marion is probably due to development.Alot of the newer "upscale" housing developments seem to get it while existing homes all around the perimeters never do.
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CrisfieldComputers
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 02:02 am |
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Well explained, =] Just a side note, I was trying to see what users had tried so far, and i kinda ended up throwing a little input in too lol. Seems like your in the industry and are very knowledgable, not very common among BB threads now a days, usually it's people that are out to torment when i try to ask information like this ie: CL. Thanks for your addition; it helped me as well in knowing what works down here and what doesnt, i still cant get Verizon DSL (Business account) to get the speeds i want, i was told the other day when i ran verizon speed tests that 400kbps is acceptable because my provisioning is UP TO 5mbps, i laughed. i said upto would work in the instance of 3 or 4 mbps but not 400-500kbps - local tech suggested i call back tell them to come look at the wiring of the house, wired around 1985, and my box is 10ft from the jack and my modem is 6ft from the jack, so im guessing phone techs are the only thing left.
I also have noted Verizon DSL in some areas of Marion and lacking just a few feet down the road, then another mile or two past the "two foot" theres dsl again, kinda confusing lol.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 11:25 pm |
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Interesting topic.
Few things:
1. There is no such thing as "VIOS" that is a typo. The correct term is FIOS which is Fiber directly to the home. Realistically speaking FIOS will not be in the Crisfield area for at least 5 years.
2. DSL has a limited coverage area from the telco's Central Office. Other variable such as old telephone lines, splices, and boosters/amps can dramatically cut down on the distance DSL is available.
3. This is an interesting read about Charter. I have never personally dealt with them and I guess I was mistaken in my misconception that they had been bought out by Atlantic Broadband.
4. All satellite Internet like Hughes Net and Wild Blue have severe latency problems. Latency is a result of the distance and time it takes from the data to travel from your computer to outer space then back down again. There is also a nasty animal called a "FAP" or "Fair Access Policy" This basically states that if you download or upload too much data within a certain period of time they will slow you down to sub dial-up speeds. It really becomes a situation of "d**ned if you do, d**ned if you don't" for example: Using a Satellite connection for things like eBay, online banking, and even email are painfully slow because of the latency. Many users equate this to like dial-up speeds. There is no way around that. It works great for things like downloading large files or streaming online video but guess what - the FAP kicks in after maybe 20 minutes of watching video. It is also useless for online gaming.
So, to sum things up underserved areas are still a problem. This is a perfect example of even where broadband is available - DSL, Cable, EVDO and Satellite, there are still problems getting a decent connection.
Using an Aircard from Verizon or Sprint is a possible aternative to Satellite. However, much like Satellite your usage is limited to about 5 gigs per month. After that you aren't slowed down, you are billed extra. This is like running over your minutes on your cell phone. Plus, if you have less than 2 bars of EVDO signal on your cell phone forget about using an aircard.
My company had considered bringing high speed fixed wireless to Crisfield and the Islands a year or so ago but there didn't seem to be much interest. Maybe times are changing...
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 07:15 pm |
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I've been around when dial up was to personal numbers about 300 bauds, Dial up was slow and still is, Hughes net is expensive, I had it, not any good in a storm, Verizon is better if you live within a certain area, I live about 200 feet to far down the road, and they sold it to me any way, it was off so much that I went to Hughes net, After that I tried charter , Not a very good choice . So I talked to Verizon again , they said they had improved it, So I gave it a try, After about a dozen visits from techs, and dozens of phone calls, they fixed mine so it would only go in one direction. This made it some what better.
There is Verizon wireless here , they don't tell you unless you ask, My neighbor across the street has it, It's faster than dial up, and looks pretty good, but costs more than a hard line.I was told by Verizon, that VIOS so headed this way,  I hope.So if you live in town Verizon is great, If you live real close to the Verizon station, very high speed is there but it will cost you. ,I was told the distance, but it forget now. I am thinking about going back to Hughes Net, since I have the equipment.
Last edited on Fri Jun 19th, 2009 07:16 pm by Been here a long time
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Vavoom
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 11:21 pm |
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I think it "beamed" via microwave or satellite (highspeed internet to the islands).They have a tower that provides the signals.
Theres a huge untapped market for technology services (Vios,broadband,etc) on the Shore in rural communities for any company that is willing to invest in networks(are you listening,Cox Communications?At&t?) Yes,Charter,and Verizon,us people in the country DO own and know how to use computers!:-)
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CrisfieldComputers
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 07:09 pm |
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Sal;
I've been looking foward to comcast, myself. I was disappointed when moving here that "charter" was the cable company, and was forced with business DSL. I am a fan of cable internet because of reliablity and speed opportunities.
VaVoom;
Thanks for the kind words! I strive to do my best! I also am not planning on going anywhere, any time soon (with the exceptions of back 'home' on vacations.)
As far as your DSL, it is limited, I found out the other day in marion just a few yards limits you on your Verizon DSL access. I didn't know they had highspeed on the islands, but it could be something to do with them having newer lines and a "straight shot" from the hub location. I could see it being a straight shot of phone line there versus out to you, because when they go down 413 from the hub, they run the same wire to each house and neighborhood down the road, causing your 8 miles to be exteneded probably closer to 13 or 14 maybe even higher! Yikes!
You may want to try Verizon Wireless's options, however I hear they dont work in Kingston very well. I have an appointment to look in to that probably tomorrow or friday. I've also read many horror stories on Hughes, but never tested it myself. I would make sure if that option is approached a 30day money back guarentee is in place and make sure you dont miss the 29th day if issues occur.
I thank you both for the information, it is very helpful.
John W Dize
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Sal Ergrapes wrote:
When our family first received internet service back in the late 90's, we had Compuserve dial-up along with several other people in the area. I know people who had dial-up up into last year...but then again they were on the REAL outskirts of town.
After dial-up, we went to Charter high-speed although much like every service with Charter...it was unreliable, slow, and just a pain. We then went to Verizon DSL and have been with that for about 4 years now. I'm not totally happy with it, but it's the most reliable we've had so far. I'd like to go with Comcast high-speed but someone told me that wasn't available down here "yet". I'll have to look into it.
Vavoom wrote:
Hi John-I have heard nothing but good things about your work!
I live just 8 miles from the telephone exchange office in Crisfield but DSL is still not available in my area.How is it that both offshore islands have highspeed internet but semi-rural areas outside of Crisfield on the mainland do not?Unless one can afford Hughesnet,Dial-up is pretty much it for alot of Somerset Countians.
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 02:06 am |
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Hi John-I have heard nothing but good things about your work!
I live just 8 miles from the telephone exchange office in Crisfield but DSL is still not available in my area.How is it that both offshore islands have highspeed internet but semi-rural areas outside of Crisfield on the mainland do not?Unless one can afford Hughesnet,Dial-up is pretty much it for alot of Somerset Countians.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 05:38 pm |
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When our family first received internet service back in the late 90's, we had Compuserve dial-up along with several other people in the area. I know people who had dial-up up into last year...but then again they were on the REAL outskirts of town.
After dial-up, we went to Charter high-speed although much like every service with Charter...it was unreliable, slow, and just a pain. We then went to Verizon DSL and have been with that for about 4 years now. I'm not totally happy with it, but it's the most reliable we've had so far. I'd like to go with Comcast high-speed but someone told me that wasn't available down here "yet". I'll have to look into it.
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CrisfieldComputers
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 04:01 am |
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Hey guys, most don't know me, some do. I just jumped on here real quick to see what kind of internet service you guys use? DSL, Dial-up? Satelite or Charter? I've seen DSL doesnt seem to extend to everyone or offer speed upgrades, just curious, new to the area.
I've had problems with Verizon DSL since I opened my business on my business account, so curious what residential customers use.
Thanks guys and gals,
John W. Dize
(no not the one your thinking of, a new one) =)
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