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Posted: Thu Sep 7th, 2006 12:13 pm |
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Welcome home, ya-all...DVman, Eureka, MY MY et al. Thought you all might be interested in the newest addition to the Supreme Court's of the States now ruling against the hostile take-overs of unwary and hapless homeowners in their states. As of this writing, I have rulings from the Supreme Court of the States of Calif. Neb. Nev. Colo. Florida, and N. Carolina...as follows:
Armstrong v. Ledges HOA...Supreme Court of N. Carolina, No,640PA05.
Filed August 18, 2006
We determine that the Association's amendment to the Declaration which authorizes board assessments "for the general lpurposes of promoting the safte, welfare, recreation, health, common benefit, and enjoyment of the residents of Lots in The Ledges as may be more specifically authorized from time to time by the Board" is UNREASONABLE. (my emphasis D.)
The amendment grants the association practically unlimited power to assess lot owners and is contrary to the original intent of the the contracting parties. (the buyer and seller identified on the original sales agreement. D.)
For the reasons stated above, we conclude that the disputed amendment is invalid and unenforceable.
In so doing, we echo the the rationale of the Supreme Court of Nebraska in Boyles v. Hausmann, 246 Neb.....(1994) " The law will not subject a minority of landowners to unlimited and unexpected restrictions on the use of their land merely because the covenant agreement..(the Original Declaration) permitted a majority to make changes in existing covenants."
Here, (The S. Carolina Court states) petitioners purchased their lots without monetary obligations imposed by a homeowners' association. This Court will not permit theAssociation to use the Declaration's amendment provision as a vehicle for imposing a NEW AND DIFFERENT SET OF COVENANTS, THEREBY SUBSTITUTING A NEW OBLIGATION FOR THE THE ORIGINAL BARGAIN OF THE COVENANTING PARTIES.
Accordingly we reverse and remand (sic)
It seems that the use of our Original Declaration's amendment provision to impose a different set of covenants by a majority vote is not passing muster...I wonder how the Arizona Supreme Court would rule? Looks good for our side. Dorothy
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TO MY SPECIAL DV NEIGHBOR....MY, MY:
Doing something good for the community? You mean like attaching restrictions to to property deeds of elderly homeowners struggling to live on a fixed income?
Doing something goood for the community? You mean like not telling these homeowners that there would be attachments placed on their property deeds?
Doing something good for the community? You mean like interfering with other people's private ownership and not letting them have a choice or voice regarding what is legally theirs and not your club's?
Doing something good for the community? You mean like forcing every DV resident to pay membership fees in a little close-knit social club they are not interested in joining, with many who are physically unable to participate in even if they wanted to?
Doing something good for the community? You mean like "freeloading off the wallets and purses of decent DV residents so a small corrupt and dishonest group of crooks can maintain aging DVCC facilities and fund their ceramics classes?
Why don't you do something good for yourself and take a real hard look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself HONESTLY if what you and your good citizens over at the social club have done is right?
While you are at it, how about explaining to all of us your justification for what your club has done.
You really don't have an honest answer to that do you?
MY, MY it's time to put up or shut up neighbor! See you in church!
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Gee Dreamland Man you have such a vivid imagination, or is it that instead of seeing pink elephants you see pit bulls running around. You seem to have all the answers on what might happen and who is going to make it happen. Do you have any facts to go behind all the dribble that you preach.
Me thinks that you have nothing better to do with your time than to sit and make up ifs and maybes on what is going to happen in Dreamland. To bad you don't spend all that energry and imagination on doing something productive and good for your community instead of what ifs and what might be.
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Posted: Wed Sep 6th, 2006 06:47 pm |
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The bigger question is " is Dreamland Villa an HOA?" Sure wish someone could answer that one ? Solve all the problems, probably not, but how about the issue of fire protection? Do you like being held hostage by Rural Metro? Would you like to go down the road that the folks in the County Islands did and are still doing in Gilbert ? Have you called for an officer for any reason? The County Sheriff has a lot of miles and not many deputies to cover DVCC. So there will always be problems. The biggest right now is clearing our property deeds of the terrible SADR document that the Club hired the attorney to attache to us all except for section six. Where do you stand on that one MY MY ?
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Posted: Wed Sep 6th, 2006 06:10 pm |
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I would like to know why you think that annexation into the City of Mesa will solve all the problems in Dreamland Villa? Will not Dreamland still be a HOA?
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Posted: Wed Sep 6th, 2006 04:37 pm |
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be carefull oh caped wonder man, watch out for the pigeons on the CW Statue out front and the " Hail to the President" Plagues. heheh Maybe we will hide in the bushes and find out who you really are ? But than again we probably will run into Eurkey and that would be freaky. Take care.
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Good morning everyone........
I guess I'll go to the club headquarters and see if I can obtain a copy of the Citizen.
I have to be very, very careful because it's a dead give away if any board members see me in my Dreamland Man cape and mask. A few months ago, some of the club members thought I was the "paid entertainment" showing up early to rehearse. I had to talk my way out of that one by telling them that I forgot to bring my ukulele and that I'd be right back.
It's tough being an "action" hero and having to keep my true identity a secret. Even my dog gets confused......... but I must continue to protect the frail and elderly from those among us that would take advantage of them.
Carry on !!
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Posted: Wed Sep 6th, 2006 03:27 pm |
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DreamlandMan wrote: Has anyone received the September issue to The DV Citizen yet? As of 9-5-06, it was not available at its usual spot at the Farnsworth Hall Swimming Pool entrance.
Could the publication of this vital piece of DVCC propaganda be facing budgetary problems? Let's hope not! I think we all would really miss the "In and around the Villa" column by the former DVCC President who called DV residents "stupid" in her President's Message (The Citizen) for having the nerve to object to forced club membership.
Personally, I cannot make it through each month without finding out what gas station recently closed or what the inside of the new Walgreens looks like.
Perhaps Mr. Maxwell has obtained sole control over this fine example of journalistic standards. First he pirated the disputed ballots and now The Citizen!
What's next? The Charlie Maxwell/Farnsworth Hall ?......The Charlie Maxwell/DV Volunteer Sheriff's Posse?...........or the re-naming of all streets in section 8 to somehow include the name Maxwell?
By the way, can anyone please tell me if the rumors that portions of club membership fees will be used to erect a bronze statue of Mr. Maxwell at the entrance of the DV/Charlie Maxwell Nature Walk are true?
Nightmare Villa indeed!
Annexation is the answer !!
Dear Dreamland Man : I agree , you have a wonderful sense of humour....I always enjoy a laugh......A good sense of humour has been identified as one of the essentials for a successful life and marriage. Now on the subject of marriage , I can testify that a sense of humour is a necessity!!!! On the subject of the Citizen Newspaper......The content is riveting for sure......Have you noticed that the financials are always in small print..........Now we know that space is not the problem....any one of the riveting articles could be edited to make room for larger print. And why is the crossword puzzle in larger print???hmmmmm Lots of interesting things to ponder on .....I think I will spend about a nonosecond on it today! And where are the editorials?????must have missed that page. When I have absolutely nothing else to do ..........I will ponder on that!
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Posted: Wed Sep 6th, 2006 02:46 pm |
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Dreamland Man,
You are too funny, but you tell it like it is. The bronze of CM would be the final Board's action for the year. Yes, we did get a copy of the Sept Citizen yesterday and it is more of the same. New Walgreens and merging of resteraunts, how could we possibly survive without this vital information. One has to always read both of her columns to see if she has buried her agenda somewhere in the " Ceramic Chaos". But somehow the Club has choosen to ignore the situation and not even mention anexation. We did attend the Mesa Council meeting last night and no objections were given, so the next step is to have all the residents sign and date the petition and they will be part of the City of Mesa. You would think the fire protection, utilities, and police response would be more than enough to convince folks of the advantages to anexation. Just think all those that live on Adobe from Higley to Recker, all those that live along University, all those the live along 56th Street, all those that live on border streets within 300 feet of an existing City boundry can annex and who knows, maybe someday the whole of Nightmare Villa will annex, Maxwell statue and all !! What a day that would be. Maybe our new cry to arms should be " A is the " A". Hum it might catch on.
R&C
PS look at the financials, ever wonder why they have so much money hid away in CD's and it is suppose to be a non profit club?
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Eureka wrote:
Reply to R & C post of Wed. Aug. 30th 2006 3:39 pm
On the other hand ponder this.
What if the citizens of Mesa decide that a property tax is preferable to the reduced services being announced daily to fit the city's lower budget?
What was the margin of NO votes to YES votes on the question of the sales tax. I was paying over $2000 on a home of comparable value in Michigan six tears ago.
Is there an HOA in the part of Mesa theyare now attached to? I assume they are still in Dreamland Villa's "HOA".
Dear Eureka:
I can't help myself from replying......IF.......the citizens of MESA approve a property tax increase it will be according to the legal requirements of assessing taxes. Which will have to be approved of by the proper procedures of a democratic society, and which will afford a right of forming an initiative to repeal those same taxes if the citizens find them unreasonable....or one can appeal to the persons they voted for by letter and those persons are usually responsive to their constituents because they want to be elected again or to climb the political ladder and raising taxes are very bad on ones career.....And as far as Sales Tax===You were not paying sales tax in Michigan were you???? Property taxes are probably what you were referring to. One thing we can be sure of is If you have money , you are going to pay taxes....and we have an obligation to do so because we are consuming services. The question is: are the services that we are consuming worth what we are paying??????One such example I could point out is the Disclosure fee charged by Dreamland Villa Club, Inc..........$250.00 for what ??????? I have been asking new homeowners and have yet to figure out what they received for the $250.00 charged at escrow.....and there hasn't been one homeowner that could point to any service. And what is Dreamland Villa 's HOA????I have not been able to find any documents on Dreamland Villa's HOA in the public record?????? Please help me with this information....as you seem to be an interested and knowledgeable party.
Thanks for your input and discussion of the issues....
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Exterminator wrote:
HOAs and the attorneys associated with them are the lowest form of blood
sucking vermins on the planet. Their lies and deceitful agendas are for the
purpose of robbing home owners. . Its a shame that they were able to slither
into Dreamland Villa and infecting DV's homeowners by thier lies and deceitful
tactics to gain a foothold. The sad part is, once you get infected by this type
of vermin its very difficult to eradicate the infestation.
exterminator
Exactly ....the problem is that if the people don't object (anything is legal. until you get to court.......this is my favorite direct quote from Dreamland Villa , Inc Attorney for the Board of Directors.) .for example if your house is burglarized....no actual crime is committed if you accept the burglar's ascertians that it is his house and he is only taking what really belongs to HIM....so you don't report the burglary-actually there was no way you could have discovered the burglary right away because the burglar misrepresented himself and only later you find out that he has stolen your identity and he really does own your home.....He is now Mr exterminator and just who are you?....well you just better start paying him rent don't you think ....after all it is your word against his...and you let him into your home didn't you?????
Sick logic isn't it??????
Welcome aboard for discussion....sounds like you may have been an injured party in this debacle.
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Posted: Tue Sep 5th, 2006 02:50 pm |
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Eureky,
You confuse property tax with sales tax. The old battle cry has been what about property taxes? No problem, whatever the vote, seniors can freeze their evaluations of their homes being on fixed incomes etc. We pay only 350.00 property taxes now on our home in Nightmare villa, Hummm? Your questions about votes is ????? And finally you admit DVCC is an HOA? Wow, that is the best part of your blog. The court did not find that to be true, it found that DVCC is a non profit social club, kinda like the " Elks Club ". So what about the HOA if it really is one, the biggest win for us as citizens is: FIRE PROTECTION, not subject to the whims of a private corporation, better police protection than the County Sherrif offers us now, better utilites and the cost is the same. That is a win, win, in our book , so welcome to the discussion Eureky, but try to stay on track with your thought process. The City of Mesa has a much higher standard of services than the county is giving us in the Island. So lets vote on anexation? Now that would be fun.
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Reply to R & C post of Wed. Aug. 30th 2006 3:39 pm
On the other hand ponder this.
What if the citizens of Mesa decide that a property tax is preferable to the reduced services being announced daily to fit the city's lower budget?
What was the margin of NO votes to YES votes on the question of the sales tax. I was paying over $2000 on a home of comparable value in Michigan six tears ago.
Is there an HOA in the part of Mesa theyare now attached to? I assume they are still in Dreamland Villa's "HOA".
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The next step in bringing this matter to a reasonable conclusion for all parties without endless years in the court system responding to appeals is for the Board to step up and resolve this issue.
The first step, would be to recover their documents from Charlie Maxwell, and then seek out an attorney without a dog in the fight. No one trusts him anymore. He just cannot resist the convenient lie...even in advising his clients...whom he describes as the Board of Directors...even though he is unquestionably paid out of the dues of all club members. An honest and ethical attorney would have long ago produced the ballots of the January 13, 2004 meeting which was the vital "change over" meeting from voluntary club to mandatory club.
It was undeniably the most pivotal meeting ever to take place in DV because it effected the private property of every landowner in the development.
When the Board and Maxwell set up the meeting, (it should have been on the first Tuesday in February) under the rules in place at that time;
and, it should have had the polls open for voting at Read Hall all day so that everyone could have voted as per the Constitution;
And denied voting rights to all effected homeowners and members by limiting the number of voters allowed inside Farnsworth Hall to vote;
And proceeded to use both absentee and proxie votes (which had never been allowed), and counted ONLY THE AFFIRMATIVE, OR YES VOTES;
It cast aside the last vestige of legality and fairness to DV residents, and has sunk deeper and deeper into unlawful acts ever since.
Now, with this ruling we can perhaps give them pause to consider a means of extricating themselves and us from this mess. Dorothy
PS, I WILL REMIND YOU THAT CHARLIE MAXWELL SUPERVISED BOTH THE BALLOTING AND THE COUNT AT THAT MEETING. HE PERSONALLY SENT MEMBERS AWAY AND DENIED THEM BALLOTS. HE PERSONALLY CAST PROXIES, OR THREATENED TO CAST THEM WHEN THE AMENDMENTS FAILED TO GARNER 2/3 OF THOSE PRESENT AND VOTING IN PERSON. REMEMBER THAT, THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE BOARD MEMBERS AT THAT TIME.
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Amen, and Amen brother. We have a VERY serious legal problem regarding the use of our property, and an unlawful claim of interest filed against all DV lots...without prior notice, or access to the terms of that claim.
Now, we are faced with a unique, and absurd claim that the BALLOTS of a club election are the sole property of an attorney who hopes to compell a lawsuit in or- der for the club's elected officials to have access to them.
These rulings in the State's have finished these so-called HOA lawyers.
It is incomprehensible to me that the Board members are unwilling to face this guy down and simply demand that he turn over all the club's documents to meet the requirements of the Statutes that clearly state all non-profit corp/clubs must keep their records in their normal place of business for 3 years, and make them available to members on request to "review and copy".
Section 8 is months away from having its tail in the wringer...I hope to circulate the necessary information for them to stop it. Section 6 is a shining example of the means by which to resist successfully.
The States now forbidding this activity are California, Colorado, Nevada, Nebraska, Florida, and N. Carolina.
Our judges are just looking for the right case to put a stop to this scam. Judge Swann's Ruling against the HOA Guy (Augustus Shaw), and his subsequent fall from grace was the first...it will not be the last. Dorothy
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THANKS, DOROTHY- IT WAS MUCH BETTER WHEN D.L.V. ONLY HAD ONE LINE ON THE FORUM......... SOME OF THESE OLD FOOLS WANT TO USE UP THE ENTIRE FORUM TO BITCH ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC..... THEY JUST MAKE DIFFERENT SUB-TITLES.... SOME OF THEM NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY NICE IN THE SANDBOX TOGETHER, THE WAY THEY CARRY ON, AND BICKER AT EACH OTHER. SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS................ Last edited on Sat Sep 2nd, 2006 08:07 am by Lefty
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Let's all settle on Dreamland and it Dissidents as our blog. OK? This is too time-consuming and confusing having the number of sites to check every day, much less to which we must respond.
Vicki has found it!! The Court Case in which our problem is solved, and our position on the the use of private contracts to attach amendments to individual declarations. Permit me please to quote the findings in"
ARMSTRONG V. LEDGES HOA, IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NORTH CAROLINA
Citing the finding of the Nebraska Supreme Court, in Boyles v. Hausmann, (246 Nebraska), the Court wrote:
"The law will not subject a minority of landowners to unlimited and unexpected restrictions on the use of land merely because the covenant agreement permitted a majority to make changes in existing covenants."
"Here" (the N. Carolina Supreme Court wrote) petitioners purchased their lots without notice that they would be subjected to additional restrictions on use of the the lots and responsible for additional affirmative monetary obligations imposed by a homeowner's association.
The Court will not permit the Association to use the Declaration's amendment provision as a vehicle for imposing a new and different set of covenants, thereby subsituting for the original bargain of the covenanting parties."
This is precisely our situation...now the question arises, how does the club find a way out without self-destructing?
As I wrote earlier, the States of Florida, California and Nevada have changed the laws regarding HOAs, and the Courts in those states are also finding that using the original covenants to replace the terms of sale is unlawful.
HIP, HIP HOORAY. Dorothy
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Hey folks, it is official, the neighbors on Evergreen above Recker Rd are anexing into the city of Mesa. They are the smart ones. They get Mesa fire, police, utilities etc and the costs are a wash compared to being a member of rural metro and paying for garbage removal. No property taxes in Mesa, and the cost to anex are more than offset by the savings on home owners insurance because they are in a real fire district now. If you have been watching the fun and games in Gilbert , you understand how vulnerable we in DVCC are to rural metro and their policy. So any one who lives within sixty feet of an existing city boundry can do the same thing and anex now ! Congratulations to our friends on Evergreen !!!
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Dear Exterminator: Amen brother! This last outrage occurred at a meeting with a club member whose written request for access to the ballots and member's list of 2003, and sign-in sheets at the January 13, 2004 meeting.
Maxwell announced that he would keep the documents relating to that meeting at which Amendments to the Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws we voted upon, at his office, and "only a judge would ever see them.
The Board sat there like potted plants and made no effort to demand that he hand them over so that they could be housed at the club's office as the laws of the state require.
Now, they are unwilling, or unable to muster the courage to tell that arrogant shyster to give them their documents and hit the road.
I cannot imagine how the club has allowed this to happen, or why it feels that it has to have a full time lawyer to stand between the board and the members of DVCC.
If they believe that the meeting's outcome is legitamate, why have they not just opened the records for review?
Now, the chain of custody of those ballots has been seriously compromised. If Maxwell is willing to violate the Statutes regarding corporation documents in order to hide the records, (as it seems he has done), how do we know what else he has done with those ballots?
What is the Board's stake in concealing the evidence of ballot count?
One of the election officials has been requesting access to the ballots for 32 months, and so far has not been given an opportunity to review them.
This is potentially the end of the club if it doesn't get this mess resolved. Are we paying mandatory dues to a voluntary club that has no legal authority to collect them?
Have they allowed Maxwell to attach false documents to our deeds?
There is no question that the title to all our property has been clouded, and that for most of us, by a contract we've never seen or executed.
When will the Board take control of its own affairs, and resolve this problem? Dorothy
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HOAs and the attorneys associated with them are the lowest form of blood
sucking vermins on the planet. Their lies and deceitful agendas are for the
purpose of robbing home owners. . Its a shame that they were able to slither
into Dreamland Villa and infecting DV's homeowners by thier lies and deceitful
tactics to gain a foothold. The sad part is, once you get infected by this type
of vermin its very difficult to eradicate the infestation.
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I am still waiting for the Board's decision on how to respond to an employee (Charlie Maxwell) who hides club documents from members and officials of the club/corporation for which they responsibility.
The Board is bound by the law to keep club documents in their normal place of business and make them available during normal business hours to members on written request for review and copying.
Try as I might, (checking the Superior Court filings every day), I can find no actions filed against the club, or any of its officers or employees....despite the claims of phantom law suits out there somewhere by Maxwell. I have been unable to find a single member, past member, or employee of the board who has been served with notice of a complaint.
It occurs to me that we must attend the meetings and report on the actions of the club...including their response to this outrageous act that cannot be explained by their lame allusions to unsigned notes sent to office. Dorothy
PS. Could it be that Maxwell, (who supervised both the balloting and the counting) knows that revealing the ballots would mean that the club would be subject to charges by the authorities? That would certainly get them into court. Wouldn't it?
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I just want to reaffirm that 2/3rds of the persons voting on Jan 13, 2004 did not pass any amendment to the Articles of Incorporation of Dreamland Villa Community Club, Inc......I know this because I witnessed the vote count along with others....and Mr Maxwell himself......when 2/3rds vote was not obtained he stated"It doesn't matter , I have 1200 yes votes".....And since then I have been searching for a reasonable explanation of how this could have happened...where the phantom votes came from and what happened to all the NO votes. Once again 2/3rds of 488 is.....=325.2 . ( except when an attorney says he somehow has 1200 yes votes that he doesn't present and are not allowed by the current by-laws anyway..).He did not add any no votes to his total....Isn't that interesting?????.And the Board of Directors refused other absentee/or proxy votes and did not as far as I can tell count any of the proxy/ballots they printed in the Citizen urging people who could not attend the Jan 13 meeting to mail to the office.....Do you suppose that not one homeowner mailed that proxy/ballot in????or that not one homeowner mailed one proxy/ballot in that contained a no vote?????Well , of course that is ludicrous isn't it??? And persons in the neighborhood have told me that they did mail in a NO VOTE. What happened to those proxy/ballots????? There are over 2500 single family residences in Dreamland Villa.......and not one person responded to the Citizen Newspaper asking them to mail in a proxy/ballot??????
So ....who is not telling the truth here?????What are the facts?????
The facts are: The Constitution of Dreamland Villa Community Club stated that the Articles of Incorporation could only be amended by ballot at the Feb election . That the polls would be open from 8:00 AM to 7:00pm. No absentee ballots were ever accepted by the club. the Voting was to be in person.......
-------The votes counted totaled 295/or 298 approving and 191/or 192 disapproving. Remember there were 488 valid votes- persons voting in person.There is a high standard for amending the Articles of Incorportation because doing so should be a difficult thing and a large majority needs to be obtained. This makes for a secure corporation.
Remember that proxy/ballots were refused when Dorothy Jones brought them to the meeting....these proxy/ballots were disapproving the changes so if they were allowed it would have brought the NO totals up substantially. At the time of the vote count, I was unaware of her attempt to cast the proxy/ballots. How could the club reject the mailed in proxy/ballots, reject the hand carried proxy/ballots but accept the attorney saying he had 1200 yes votes????Under what authority , even common sense judgement do you accept such discrepancies????? And if the Club was not going to count those mailed in proxy/ballots, why did they print the proxy/ballot in their newspaper as a cut out and mail in ballot???????Do you suppose that they counted on being able to sort those proxy/ballots to their favor????Did they go into the circular file if they were received? as an add note , The club did not publish the original Articles of Incorporation in the newspaper so it was impossible for any homeowner to know what the amendments were amending.
These are the many questions that I have consistently been asking??????And the answer I have gotten is a resounding Sound of Silence from the Board of Directors of Dreamland Villa Community Club, Inc.
So ....who is not telling the truth here?????What are the facts?????
The facts are: The Constitution of Dreamland Villa Community Club stated that the Articles of Incorporation could only be amended by ballot at the Feb election . That the polls would be open from 8:00 AM to 7:00pm. No absentee ballots were ever accepted by the club. the Voting was to be in person.......So, WHAT HAPPENED?
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Dear DVman...a quick note to remind you that Section 8 is about to be taken over by the club, and declared a "mandatory section".
I would also like to remind you that Charlie Maxwell is hiding club documents in his office even from the Board.
The ballots from the January 13, 2004 at which amendments to the articles of inc. and Bylaws were proposed that would allow the club to enforce "mandatory membership" were to be voted on. He is now hiding the ballots in his office, in a sealed envelope declaring them to be "work product". The have been secreted from members and election officials for 32 months now.
Acting as an AZ corporation, they would have had to have a majority of their members...(over 3,000, according to the Minutes of the Board meeting), or 2/3 of those members present and eligible to vote.
Under the Bylaws and Constitution in effect at that meeting prior to the vote, the club needed 2/3 of those present and voting to approve the amendments.
The total votes cast were announced by the Tellers as 296 "For", and 192 "Against".
Combined vote: 488.
Charlie Maxwell, who supervised the balloting and the count, told those waiting outside to get in and rescind their signatures and/or cast their vote against amending, that they could not do either because the Fire Marshall had limited the capacity of Farnsworth Hall to 500, and that the Hall was full.
(A statement that comports with the total number of votes cast)
The problem here is this: Two-thirds of 488 is 326+ votes. The amendments failed. As a result, every single dollar the club has extracted from the mandatory sections will have to be repaid when those ballots are made public.
The doubters need only ask themselves if the Count is accurate, and within the rules, why is he withholding the ballots? Why is he now claiming that even the Board will have to take him into court to see them? We are facing a true legal crisis affecting our property. We have no time for petty bickering with each other....no matter how weary we are of the fight, or how frustrated by this charlatan's machinations we've become. Dorothy
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WE ARE ALLOWING OURSELVES TO BECOME FRACTIOUS AND DIVERTED FROM OUR GOAL OVER AN ISSUE THAT BY DEFINITION IS "VOLUNTARY" MEANING A MATTER OF PERSONAL CHOICE!!! I KNOW WE ARE ALL RATTLED BY THE STORMS AND DAMAGE SWIRLING AROUND US. SOME OF US GET CRANKY!!! I BELIEVE THAT THE ENEMIES OF THE HOA CAN ILL AFFORD THIS KIND OF SNIPING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE ANYWHERE IN ANY SECTION.
HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ARTICLES AND BYLAWS FAILED? OUR ORIGINAL BLOG WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE A THIN SKINNED PROFESSIONAL MAN WAS TAKING SOME PR SHOTS. SURELY WE CAN AGREE ON THAT? AS A RESULT, WE NEED TO KEEP IN TOUCH AND FOCUSED ON OUR GOALS IN THIS MATTER.
RON AND CATHY ARE MY DEAR FRIENDS, AND I FEEL THEY HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES THE MEANS BY WHICH THEY PROTEST...BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES, AND A LOT OF THE EXPENSE CAME OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS....
THEY STUCK THEIR NECKS WAY OUT TO TEST THIS MATTER IN COURT...THEY HAVE WORKED ALL NIGHT MANY TIMES ON MUSTERING PEOPLE TO VOTE, TURN OUT FOR OUR MEETINGS AND HAVE SUCCEEDED IN RECRUITING A SUBSTANTIAL FOLLOWING IN AND OUT OF THE CLUB.
I ALSO FEEL THAT MR. LECKEY DESERVES THE NEXT SLOT ON THE BOARD...WHETHER OR NOT HE AGREES WITH US. I ALSO FEEL THAT JOHN C. IS ENTITLED TO HIS OPINION ON THE MATTER, AND TO EXPRESS THAT OPINION WITHOUT (MR. DVMAN) PERSONAL DERISION. ENOUGH SAID...GET BACK TO WORK ALL OF YOU. HA DOROTHY
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Dorothy,
Would you like to make this the " Official Blog site" for Dreamland Villa ? AKA " Nightmar Villa"? We need to keep one up and running as some people get their feelings hurt and close their's down. WAAAAA. But most of all non members need to be able to wave the magic wand as much as they want. Agreed?
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Dear Vicki: It occurs to me that the stakes in this matter were substantially higher than we now know....I cannot imagine that any decent, sane person would file an action against a neighbor because they didn't like seeing his nice little red and white fishing boat in his carport. I went over to see what the fuss was about and found his home tidy, weed free, and both the boat and camper truck were were shiny clean and new...no violations of zoning ordinances were visible. Over the past years, I have become friendly with my neighbors who live in Velda Rose. Their Board behaves very much like ours...they do not notify new buyers regarding the rules they are charged with enforcing...also, there were apparently provisions in their SADR that allowed a great many homeowners to grandfather their property out of any HOA that the board had set up...some of them are members, some are not. (Sound familiar?) I went to their club house to see if I could get a copy of their SADR...they seemed very uncomfortable talking about any of their documents...not being a particularly subtle person...I took note of their strange attitude, and asked if I had purchased a home in Velda Rose recently, would they then feel more comfortable in releasing information on request? The lady to whom I spoke then became quite flustered and told me that I needed to bring my questions regarding "my property" before the Board. I asked then when and where they met. She referred me to a sheet of paper lying on a table near the door...It said nothing about meeting schedules...Again, with my characteristic lack of subtlety, I asked how the H---anyone would know when the Board met. She responded that I should put my request for a schedule in writing.
Talk about bizzarre! So, dear friends, take care. Old Charlie set up that mess. We will be notifying those owning property in Section 8 that they are to be forced into membership in January. Dorothy
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To Clarify and make sure that these facts are exacting:::I have in front of me a copy of the documents; on the 2nd day of October,2003 Mr Nelms property was sold at public auction by order of Sheriff Arpaio for the highest bid of $59,000.00 to satisfy a lien -This lien was held by Velda Rose Estates Homeowners Association. ---making Velda Rose Estates Homeowners Association the plaintiff in the action. Mr Charles Maxwell represented the plaintiff , Velda Rose Estates Homeowners Association.
I have a copy of a quitclaim deed....dated 1st day of March 2002...giving Robert Nelms all right , title , and interest in Lot 78, Velda Rose Estates .....This means Robert Nelms owned his home since March of 2002....and the Velda Rose Estates Homeowners association foreclosed and the property was sold on the 2nd day of October 2003.
I love this statement in the :"Judgement on Foreclosure an Injunctive Relief" The plaintiff......(Velda Rose Estates Homeowners Association) will suffer immediate and irreparable injury and damage if injunctive relief is not granted! and then it goes on to demand that Mr Nelms remove his boat extending out of the carport and his travel trailor stored at the side of his residence and to keep his yard an landscape in compliance etc. Now, WHAT IMMEDIATE AND IRREPARABLE INJURY AND DAMAGE DID VELDA ROSE ESTATES EXPERIENCE?????????Did the presence of Mr Nelms little fishing boat really harm Velda Rose????
I maintain that Bob Nelms suffered irreparable injury and damage as a result of the actions of Velda Rose Estates Homeowners Association and its attorney Mr. Charles Maxwell. And that Velda Rose Estates as a community has been damaged by its own actions as well.
Mr Nelms has been damaged beyond repair.....a victim of this !!!!!! And the state of Arizona, the court system, the social service system, the veterans administration all failed Mr Nelms. Where were Mr Nelms property rights????? Just who is responsible for a man losing his home over some rules of a Homeowners Association? What a shame!
So you see, this meeting with this broken man changed my life. I no longer believe that people just wouln't steal someones property -That the american dream of owning property is somehow important or that owning property gives you any freedom to live your lifestyle.... I no longer believe that good people will do the right thing......But I do believe that there are a FEW persons that exist that will not consent to such injustice....but what a shame that they are so rare!
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Thank you Dorothy for adding your input...some of the details you included are details that I was unaware of.... The continuation of my story: After my visit with Mr Nelms......I called several legal services...including the service offered by the local Senior Center.....finding that one must call one week, leave a message, and wait for a response...and the person involved must be the one to call and must meet certain criteria...age , etc...Plenty of roadblocks to service....and only on Wednesday after an appointment was assigned would the service look at the problem....So 2-3 weeks later a call finally came from the legal service.....after explaining Mr Nelms case- the worker stated that they get 2-3 of these a month and that senior citizens usually come to them too late for them to do anything to help them........All the other inquiries I made at that time amounted to about the same.....It is just too late to help this man.......Needless to say , I was appalled....and it has taken me 2 years to figure out how this could have happened to a man - disabled- that owned his property without any mortgage, owing no taxes...having no other liens or obligations regarding his property. Mr Nelms owned his property for about 2 years total..... It was soon after that I learned that the Sheriff was going to evict Mr Nelms from his property , stating that his possessions would be placed on the street and that his home would be confiscated.... This is what led to his desperate act of attempting to take his life....... I have spoken with family members.....and I promised that I would bring up his case whenever possible - never allowing those involved to forget their deeds...and the result of their deeds. Velda Rose Homeowners Association is responsible for foreclosing on Mr Nelms home....the attorney on the legal documents is Mr Charles Maxwell.....My question is this: What could Mr Nelms have done to deserve losing his home????? What action could warrant such cruelty......Mr Nelms was not accused of any crime ....but he lost his home!Now , you might ask...Why didn't I read about this in the newspaper......Well, I contacted all the newspapers.....and they all declined to print anything about this travesty because they have a policy not to report these types of incidents without the persons permission and they could not obtain Bob's permission.
Dorothy is exactly correct about the info the Board of Directors of Dreamland Villa disseminated.....and I personally delivered the legal documents regarding the foreclosure to Jim Cole......and was surprised when I continued to hear the board say things like "it was forclosed for taxes" "the homeowners association had nothing to do with it" ........Now ask yourself, how could they continue to speak these lies??? How naive I was! I thought that Dreamland Villa would now recognize the inherent dangers to the homeowners...and I learned that some people don't want to be bothered by the TRUTH! Amazing as it is , I was just recently told by a Board Member that I was mistaken and that Mr Nelms property was foreclosed for tax liens.....Once again , I provided the documentation....and where does common sense begin to prevail...The man owned his property for 2 years..........with no mortgage........Why is it still being denied as an act of a homeowner association.?????? More later::::
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Dorothy wrote:
I should like to continue this...with your permission...or not, Vicki. This has been the most under-reported calamity created by and engineered to its conclusion by one Charles B. Maxwell...the Club's mouthpiece and advisor.
Following Vicki's conversation with a distraught Mr. Nelms, he called Ron Ehninger, and was sobbing so hard that Ron became alarmed and drove to his house. At that time, he found him in a state of physical and emotional collapse. (Mr. Nelms was a disabled veteran we discovered later), and unable to participate effectively in defending his property.
I live about a half a city block away from Mr. Nelms. My mother was sitting by the window watching some repairs on 56th street when a rescue squad, 3 police cars, and a couple of ambulances pulled up at the intersection with Colby. Like most of my neighbors, I went out to see what had happened...believing that it must have been another accident, but one of the people said it was a shooting...My heart fell into my shoes...as I realized that they were bringing a gurney into Mr. Nelms' home...within minutes, the police moved us all away and a helicopter arrived from Baywood Hospital...and Mr. Nelms was wheeled into the street...
After the helicopter departed, one of the EMTs told me that he wasn't going to make it to the hospital, that he'd shot himself.
He was hospitalized at Scottsdale Community Hospital, and his children came to sell off his furniture, boat and truck...to comply with the demands of the eviction notice.
I went over and spoke with them...and took the name and number of a local attorney with whom I wanted them to file a wrongful death suit against Velda Rose HOA, and Charlie Maxwell. They knew him, but said they just couldn't get involved in anything else at that time, but thanked me and visited with me about their Dad.
Immediately thereafter, within a day, or less the office and Board Members of DVCC were spreading absolutely false statements about Mr. Nelms...saying that he'd brought it on himself...and that he had other problems with his property...etc. etc.
When we obtained the Court records, and the Sheriff's Auction info on his property, it was free and clear of other obligations. The Velda Rose Board collected 20,000.00 in fines and interest and attorney's fees...a blind limited partnership...bought his home for 56,000.00, and sold it for a substantial profit. My server's giving up on me. Dorothy
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The Bob Nelms story is truly a sad one , but one we all need to think about because it could happen to us. We had some communication with Mr Nelms , but it was too late, he had defaulted on his property by not showing up at court. His one fatal mistake was that he owned the property free and clear and believed that no one could take it away from him. His mistake cost him his home and property and health. His family is a very special group of people and their only concern at the time we met them was his health and getting as far away from the HOA and Velda Rose Estates as they could. They were " not the suing Kind of People" and would not listen to any plea to pursue all legal recourse. That fatefull Saturday when we watched the big Yellow Life flight Helicopter take off from the street at Colby and 56th St., we wondered in our hearts if we could have done any more to help him. Perhaps we might have, and perhaps the system might have. But the most hurtfull thing that happened that night, someone overheard the President and Board of Velda Rose Estate , coming out of a meeting or gathering that night say " They had done nothing wrong and Mr. Nelms was a bad neighbor and a trouble maker and they were glad he was gone". At that point no one knew if he had survived or not. Turns out he did and he now lives in a Motel on Main street according to our last communication with his family. We have picture of his hunting dog that we bought at the Garage Sale some weeks later and hope to have it framed and give it to him in person some day. This is a sad, sad story and one must look at it in reality that the horrible thing a HOA board and president can do to a person. How can they justify messing with peoples property and lives like that ? No amount of money can be worth it. One more notch on the glunslingers belt. We all know who that is .
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I should like to continue this...with your permission...or not, Vicki. This has been the most under-reported calamity created by and engineered to its conclusion by one Charles B. Maxwell...the Club's mouthpiece and advisor.
Following Vicki's conversation with a distraught Mr. Nelms, he called Ron Ehninger, and was sobbing so hard that Ron became alarmed and drove to his house. At that time, he found him in a state of physical and emotional collapse. (Mr. Nelms was a disabled veteran we discovered later), and unable to participate effectively in defending his property.
I live about a half a city block away from Mr. Nelms. My mother was sitting by the window watching some repairs on 56th street when a rescue squad, 3 police cars, and a couple of ambulances pulled up at the intersection with Colby. Like most of my neighbors, I went out to see what had happened...believing that it must have been another accident, but one of the people said it was a shooting...My heart fell into my shoes...as I realized that they were bringing a gurney into Mr. Nelms' home...within minutes, the police moved us all away and a helicopter arrived from Baywood Hospital...and Mr. Nelms was wheeled into the street...
After the helicopter departed, one of the EMTs told me that he wasn't going to make it to the hospital, that he'd shot himself.
He was hospitalized at Scottsdale Community Hospital, and his children came to sell off his furniture, boat and truck...to comply with the demands of the eviction notice.
I went over and spoke with them...and took the name and number of a local attorney with whom I wanted them to file a wrongful death suit against Velda Rose HOA, and Charlie Maxwell. They knew him, but said they just couldn't get involved in anything else at that time, but thanked me and visited with me about their Dad.
Immediately thereafter, within a day, or less the office and Board Members of DVCC were spreading absolutely false statements about Mr. Nelms...saying that he'd brought it on himself...and that he had other problems with his property...etc. etc.
When we obtained the Court records, and the Sheriff's Auction info on his property, it was free and clear of other obligations. The Velda Rose Board collected 20,000.00 in fines and interest and attorney's fees...a blind limited partnership...bought his home for 56,000.00, and sold it for a substantial profit. My server's giving up on me. Dorothy
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I completely forgot to continue my story about Bob Nelms: This gentleman lived in the Velda Rose Community which is a sister community to Dreamland Villa. His exact location was a few blocks from my home as the crow flies. Our first meeting happened because I had been at an informal meeting to discuss the Dreamland Villa Community Club, Inc and its plans. Specifically to discuss the SADR. A proponent of the changes maintained that I did not know what I was talking about and that I should get my facts straight. "( This is what people say when they have been found out- but I didn't learn that until later). I am basically an honest person that wants the best for my community....so , I thought I should look at the situation from another viewpoint. Maybe this guy was right and I was making a big deal out of nothing. During our conversation (this guys name was Bud- a person with financial background and after all I am just a little nobody)-well, anyway---Bud made a statement that Velda Rose has a Homeowners Association and they are real happy with theirs' and the same lawyer is helping Dreamland that established Velda Rose Homeowners Association - namely a Mr. Maxwell. Soooooooo.....after this little meeting - I decided to visit Velda Rose and ask some questions.....I met 5 elderly ladies just locking the door to a recreation hall. They didn't seem to want to answer any questions....and they didn't admit to being happy...but then after I calmed their fears and they realized that I wasn't there to rob them, ...........they shared in whispers that they weren't really happy....and that many things were happening that they could do nothing about.....Then they told me that a man was having his home foreclosed on right down the street.......They pointed to it from the place on the sidewalk where we stood talking....
So, I walked to this home, knocked on the door- It took a minute for the man to answer ....Mr. Nelms and his black and white speckled dog came from around the side of the house....and he said "Can I help you?" He was around 60 years old, short stature and he kept his head sort of bowed when he spoke to me. I told him that I lived in Dreamland and would like to ask him some questions .....He shared with me that "he didn't know what to do , but they were going to kick him out of his house" The reason he seemed to think was that he and a few friends tried to clean an area on the trail of dead cactus and such and then he was targeted. Receiving notes , unsigned , demanding that he make changes. He said , "I own this property, I can't believe they can take it from me. " and then he shared that he had been so depressed as the situation progressed that he couldn't bear to go to court. "I didn't know what to do!" He said he was visiting the Veterans Hospital the next day and I urged him to seek some assistance from Social work, and to tell his Doctors what was happpening. I also appealed to him to hire an attorney.....His response was, I don't have any money .....I would have to sell my 5th wheel and that probably would not be enough, and besides, If they kick me out, I will need that 5th wheel to live in. All I could say was I am so sorry this is happening to you. Please , Please , get an attorney! MORE ON WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM LATER.....LIFE CALLS
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Liberty or Death wrote: Please, tell us more.
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Now for another installment of the "Story"
Did I mention that after reading, researching, obtaining copies of documents in Dec 2003, that I began meeting people in my neighborhood that filled in some of the blanks. I was working full time, and unfamiliar with the unique Arizona State governmental services. Upon discovering that the Club was canvassing neighborhoods asking the homeowners to sign a petition (and not giving the person a copy of what they signed) and being more and more alarmed about what this all might mean- I contacted the offices of my legislators, and the Arizona Attorney General. I gave an account of what neighbors had been telling me ....The Attorney General channeled the info to a lawyer named Hernandez and he called me on the phone......the comment that sticks in my mind was "It is not the states responsibility to make people smart- if they sign a contract without reading it there is nothing we can do. " (You can believe it or not but that is exactly the response i got from my contact with the Attorney General office.)-More on this later-----
So.....the "contract" with the Dreamland Villa Community Club, Inc- a private contract- came into existence when Club volunteers went around the community obtaining signatures on a petition(ONE PAGE) - and after they signed the petition because it was presented to them by someone in a position of trust and because most people want to be helpful- after all when those volunteers told them that it was necessary to "Save the Senior Overlay" and that if membership was not mandatory the Club could not maintain the amenities and "The government says we have to have these amenities to keep the Senior Overlay" -MOST PEOPLE THAT WERE APPROACHED WERE WILLING TO SIGN A SIMPLE PETITION-
These nice people were trying to help the Club and their neighborhood....After signing this one page petition, they were sometimes given the 17 page SADR and sometimes not! If the person insisted upon asking questions- of course they were given a copy, or told to go to the office and someone would explain it . If the person gave their signature...no copy of the petition was given to them so later....the person had no idea what they signed. Did the volunteer bother to tell them that when they signed that one page ----Their signature would: waive their right to the Arizona Homestead exemption as related to theClub? Their signature would waive their right to the statute of limitations? Their signature would be used for other purposes , including amending the bylaws and the governing documents without the person ever haveing to read the proposed changes or approve of them..... Did the volunteers tell the signers that property restrictions of approximately 17 pages would replace the one page restriction currently on the property. Did the volunteers read any portion of the SADR to those elderly persons who have limited vision? Did the volunteers make sure that both husband and wife were involved and informed?
The answer to all these questions is NO----In talking to neighbors, having them share accounts of how they were approached.....the story was so consistent as to be impossible not to believe their accounts.
Accounts of those who were asked to approve mandatory membership when they went to the office to pay their dues was also consistent. And keep in mind- Dues were paid at the office because at that time you would receive your membership card. Persons were guided to "Sign for Mandatory Membership" . Just step over here and sign......and once again not given a copy of what they signed. After signing, a copy of SADR for their section was available- Only if the person asked questions and refused to accept the assurances of the office staff/or board members would the person have an opportunity to review the documents. Once again ,,,,No COPY OF THE SO CALLED PETITION THAT THEY SIGNED WAS GIVEN TO THE SIGNER.
Don't I sound like I am making a big issue of this FACT? Well, I am- because this fact would come to be the center of a great controversy that is still swirlling around.
Would those that defend the Dreamland Villa Community , Inc Board of Directors ask themselves a few questions.......
Couldn't you have told everyone, both verbally and by written communication that you were establishing a HOMEOwNERS ASSOCIATION?
Couldn't you have respected the homeowners enough to tell them that the SADR was a legal document that would effect not only themselves but the whole community?
Don't you feel any responsibility?
One homeowners story: A gentleman was approached in his driveway by Nancy Cole - She was carrying a clipboard....".Mr. Doe , I'm from Dreamland Villa Club, Would you sign this ......we need your signature to save the senior overlay.....without your help we are afraid families with children will be moving in ....you don't want that do you?"Mr Doe remembers saying "Well, I don't know....but he and his wife had visitors, a family gathering and people were waiting for him....and he thought well , I don't see any harm ....and I will sign it just to get rid of her and I can be with my family. Mr. John Doe is living with his wife, she has diabetes, is in poor health- uses a walker and Mr Doe has had several small strokes.....The home they own in Dreamland was her mother's home and Mr an Mrs John Doe bought out the other siblings interest when her mother died. Mrs Doe's mother was one of the original homebuyers in the Dreamland Development. Her mother was not a member of the club, and Mr and Mrs Doe saw no need to be members...they have no interest in the club activities and their health issues prevent any participation in any activities. It is all they can manage right now to care for themselves...go to Doctors, grocery shop(which Mr Doe does because Mrs Doe is too disabled) - Their social life revolves around their family. Imagine how they felt when they began getting letters in 2005, telling them that they owed the club in excess of $800.00. They had never received any legal notices, they did not know how the club could do this. !
More later::::Life calls
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Puzzled wrote: Count me in! I have not signed anything in opposition yet but I am willing to do so. I have been a member of the club for the past 16 years and quit this year. I will not give them another penny.
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Dear Puzzled: You could be a wealth of information....and maybe help sort out some of the unanswerable questions......could you contact me off blog? I would appreciate it. Were you one of the members that was told that your signature was needed to save the senior overlay? Will wait to hear from you.
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Dear Shark: Good to hear from you again. We were raked by that tornado this past week, so have been very busy...my neighbors also suffered substantial damage. All of us are trying to help get things back to normal. Oddly...the club has offered nothing! Imagine that? Their sign was in my yard...that tornado twisted that metal post completely around and bent the sign over across the sidewalk and into the street. A couple of deputies went over and bent it up a little, and the club came and got it after I called them. We pay for drapes, and fancy kitchens, but when it comes to help...you're on your own. I think that says it all. Dorothy
ps.The airconditioners were blown off their stands, and off the roofs of a few homes down the street. Roofs were completly torn off...the power poles sheered off...Guess who came by to see if everyone was safe? Neighbors from down both sides of University, and 55th place and 56th street...not a sign of the club. Even a solid block wall was blown down...one of which I think is on club property...so you get to fix your own and theirs...doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy? ha
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