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BABLE ON AND ON AND ON IS SO DONE HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW IT. IT IS LIKE HIS COMPADRAS, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT, AND THEY PARY ON AND ON AND ON JUST LIKE BABEL
FEAR NOT , ONE DAY THE PIPER WILL BE PAID AND THAT WILL BE A GLORIUS DAY FOR SURE, UNTIL THEN
PARTY ON DUDES
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alasbabylon wrote: When the dust settles who knows where we will be! Until then be Happy! dorothy responds:
Alas: What makes you think that fighting for your rights makes you unhappy?
I, dear Alas have a mission that fills my days with purpose, and my mind with visions of the day when all of Dreamland can be civil and decent to our neighbors.
Until that day, we remain on offense...happily...working toward and expecting to regain our freedom from the extortionists and tormentors of the helpless. Dorothy Your soul needs a bath, dear. Dorothy7
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Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 12:40 pm |
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| When the dust settles who knows where we will be! Until then be Happy!
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East Tribune Editorial January 13, 2007
The best way to repair fractious retirement haven would be a return to voluntary dues payment
The singer Tom Waits once wrote in a song about a dying love affair that “you can’t unring a bell.” Trying to unravel the legal morass that has enveloped Dreamland Villa may be just as difficult, but to us it appears to be the only way to resolve the discord that has cast a cloud over one of the East Valley’s oldest retirement communities.
This 3,000-home development, located on a county island surrounded by east Mesa, was built 45 years ago, before homeowners associations were common in single-family neighborhoods. For decades its clubhouse, wood shop and other amenities were paid for on an elective basis: if residents wanted to use these amenities, they could join the club and pay an annual fee to help with the upkeep.
Today, it can be difficult to buy a home that is not attached to an HOA. But the burdens and benefits of HOAs are well-known and explained, or at least mentioned, up front; most homeowners, unhappy as they may be with their HOAs at times, knew the risks.
But adding en masse to the deed restrictions of an already-occupied subdivision is something that should be done very carefully, and the indications are that, for whatever reason, it wasn’t in Dreamland Villa.
Proponents of mandatory membership, contending everyone should help maintain facilities that added to their property value whether or not they used them, collected signatures from at least half the homeowners in each section. But a sizeable number claim they were never told about the mandatory fees.
In 2004, a vote by those currently belonging to the club was taken, and former members who had stopped paying their dues were not allowed to participate. The one lawsuit filed to question this vote was dismissed on a legal technicality.
As Jason Massad reported in Sunday’s Tribune, 39 homeowners have received summonses for nonpayment of the $92 annual fee, which with penalties and legal fees has in some cases turned into more than $700 in debt on their homes. This could lead to liens or foreclosures.
The board members who started this process appear to have had the good intention of ensuring the community’s assets were maintained long into the future, and possibly giving them more teeth to enforce the age restriction.
But there appear to be enough clouds over the way the situation was handled that the best course of action at this point would be to return to the voluntary membership model that worked reasonably well for four decades, consistently keep nonmembers out of the club haunts, and, if necessary, attempt to bring in mandatory membership with a more transparent process.
Opinions expressed in the editorials, labeled OUR VIEW, are those of the editorial board and the publisher. All other opinions are those of the authors or artists.
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Ron & Cathy Ehninger
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Posted: Fri Jun 8th, 2007 01:40 pm |
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BABLE ON AND ON MR M
NEITHER WAS I , HEHEHHEHE GOT YOU !
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
AN ANSWER OR MORE BULL PUCKY?
SURE WE SAW YOU, DID YOU SEE US ?
BABEL ON DUDE
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R; You asked about the golf course, you get an answer and you attack the person. Thats all you do, you have no substance so you call names and insult people!
Oh! Did you see me at the meeting?
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CONCERNED BUTT,
AND SO ? DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT ALL GO AWAY? HUMMM DREAM ON WITH YOUR FRIEND BABEL ON AND ON AND ON.
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Ron - You are always harping about the connection between the golf course and the Club and there is no connection. Just for your information Dreamland Golf Course is a subsidiary of Farnsworth Developement Co., 460 S Greenfield Rd., Mesa, AZ 85206. It has absolutely nothing to do with Dreamland Villa Community Club - hereafter refered to as DVCC. If the golf course stays as it is or if they decide to do something else with it is of no concern to DVCC. If they do something and make millions on it, DVCC will not benefit and also if they loss their shirts DVCC wil not be part of the loss.
About Billie T going to the zoning meeting. I was on my way to play golf when I first saw the sign and I told Billie about it. Then several people that live in that general area called her about it and expressed their concerns about the traffic and children issues. That is why she went to the meeting. It had nothing what so ever to do with the Farnsworth's. I am sure you will not believe any of the above but they are facts.
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON
YOU ARE GETTING SLOW AT THE REPLY, WHAT IS THE MATTER THE OXYGEN TANK RUN OUT OR DID YOUR DEPENDS GET FULL?
HINT, JUSTICE COURT , ONE OCLOCK TODAY
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| R: as usual you don't read the words, WHERE WILL THE CAMERA BE???
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
COOL SEE YOU THERE THEN !
SMILE
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| R: Don't have any plans today. The spouse is busy so I will be doing stuff! Where is it the camera's will be? I could go so you can try and figure out my identity!
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO ? YOUR ATTEMPT AT HUMOR IS EVEN MORE PATHETIC THAN YOUR ATTEMPT AT POSTING ANYTHING WORTH READING. WHAT A GUY, JUST HAPPY BEING IN NIGHTMARE VILLA AND HAPPY ALL HIS NEIGHBORS ARE PAYING FOR IT. HEY WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE WEDNESDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK? WE WILL HAVE A CAMERA THERE SO WE CAN POST YOUR PICTURE FOR ALL TO SEE, SO COME ON, SEE YOU THERE.
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R: Some humor to my bable:::: I heard R had a job in the MM factory as an candy inspector, but he got fired because he rejected all of the WW's!
Now that is horse puckey!
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 12:37 am |
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WELL NOW DOROTHY,
OLD BABEL ON AND ON IS TRYING TO BOB AND WEAVE AGAIN AS IF WE ALL DON'T KNOW WHO AND WHERE HE LIVES ! GOOD OLD m&m , AND NOT THE CANDIES THAT MELT IN YOUR HAND AND NOT IN YOUR MOUTH. OLD I WILL BE HAPPY ANYWHERE GUY AND HE IS SO BUSTED BUT TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT. TOUGH NUGGEYS BABEL !
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alasbabylon wrote: Dear Dorothy7: Maybe so in a perfect world.... Hindsite is easy to reflect on! What if you & the 5 other board members wouldn't have resigned. What if you had? What if they had? But we are where we are at now. The dust will settle, maybe after we are gone, but it will settle one way or the other!
Division is unpleasant whether it is national, state or local! Dear Alas: (or should I say, M and M?) The reasons for my resignation at that time are embodied in another quotation from the esteemed Andy Anderson. Mr. Maxwell had made the comment that in his opinion DV had always been an association, and a planned community. Andy Anderson asked if that was anything like an HOA?
Maxwell responded that it was...just a voluntary HOA.
According to my notes of that meeting, Anderson then stated "If you went door to door here asking people to sign up for an HOA you wouldn't get 6 signatures!"
I agreed. At that point, Mr. Maxwell responded that if the members in favor made it clear that mandatory membership was to ensure that we had our Senior Overlay, and our property values were protected many would agree.
The obvious next question was whether the Board would mail out copies of the "New CC&Rs to all homeowner before soliciting their signatures." Maryanne Glauner responded that they planned to have meetings for every section at which the New CC&Rs would be passed out, and discussed. (At that time none of the board had yet seen a copy.)
Bob White then asked whether the New CC&Rs would be similar to those Mr. Maxwell had drafted for Velda Rose and he was told that they would be. Mr. White then said that Velda Rose had become a mandatory HOA, with fines, and foreclosure and eviction by the board for non-payment.
Maryanne then asserted that: all that will be at the Board's discretion. DVCC will never lien DV property. We will keep our Constitution and Bylaws, and it will be the same as it's always been. This club will never lien anyone's property.
I then asked if that is true, then why would they want to have the power to do so in the New CC&Rs? She said they wouldn't have those powers. As you can see, none of the above assurances to members questions was true. Dorothy7
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Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 02:15 pm |
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BABLE ON AND ON AND ON AND ON,
YOU BET WE ARE MAD! AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!
STOP FORCING US TO JOIN YOUR STUPID CLUB!!!
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| Easy: If you didn't know what was going on how were you lied too? You have to be told something for it to be a lie. All of this was printed in the Citizen and usually every address gets the paper. If you are listening to the dissidents you are hearing only their side of the story and they are upset with everyone that disagrees with them. You need to hear both sides before siding with a group of angry people!
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Thank You Dorothy at least you understand what I was saying.
How in the world could I have gone to the office when I didn't have a clue what was going on? Can someone answer me that one? My point is that since someone came up with the bright idea of mandatory dues then every homeowner should have been approached and told what was going on and then told to vote yea or no,golly how simple was that? No, instead lie to all of us and expect us to take this laying down? I don't think so. If someone has a difference of opinion about all this then we are a troublemaker or even worse. As far as I know we are all intitled to our opinion and why did people decide that we needed to be lied to?
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Posted: Sun May 27th, 2007 04:07 pm |
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
THIS WHOLE THING CAN BE REDUCED DOWN TO ONE THING, STOP FORCING US TO JOIN YOUR CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dear Dorothy7: Maybe so in a perfect world.... Hindsite is easy to reflect on! What if you & the 5 other board members wouldn't have resigned. What if you had? What if they had? But we are where we are at now. The dust will settle, maybe after we are gone, but it will settle one way or the other!
Division is unpleasant whether it is national, state or local!
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Posted: Sun May 27th, 2007 12:21 pm |
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Dear Alas, and Easy:
Let me see if I follow your conversation.
Easy states that his property was encumbered without his knowledge or consent.
Alas replies that he could have gone to office and voted for or against.
Is there something you do not understand about the term "knowledge or consent, Alas dear?
The club should mail out copies of the "New CC&Rs" to every homeowner in DV before collecting signatures to those covenants.
Any contract to which a homeowner becomes a party that involves a financial obligation, or any other, must be presented to that person for their individual approval or lack thereof.
Not knowing that the club was undertaking to affix an interest in our property, we could not have gone to the office to inquire about something of which we were unaware.
Easy should not acknowledge the club's right to defraud him, and others nor should he permit them to make demands on his resources to which he has not consented.
These people are just crooks...sitting over there scheming to steal more and more from their neighbors to feather their own nests. In Alas's case, so that he can be "happy"...Dorothy7
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Mr Easy: you asked:: Why should I have gone to the office when there were people that had their own interest going on. It was their responsibility to come to me since this is what they wanted.
Why? Your property was involved! It is your responsiblity to protect what is yours! The volunteers gave of their time to work and to follow up on getting more signatures after reaching the needed amount would have been frutal! Wouldn't have made a bit of difference.
Doroty7: I don't think nonsignatures are counted.
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Mr easy didn't vote, why not, because no one came to him! maybe they reached 50% + 1 before they got to his house. he could have went to the office and signed the issue.
Since the voting effected every homeowner it should not have been when it reached 50%+1 I don't consider that a fair thing to do to the people and to approach people by not being honest and truthful to their face was even worse. I have no interest as to what goes on at any of the facilities. Why should I have gone to the office when there were people that had their own interest going on. It was their responsibility to come to me since this is what they wanted.
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| Dear Alas: None of the No votes were recorded! Not one! I can see that you are so devoted to your "club" that you haven't counted the names filed with the recorder? You "trust them"? Well, you will be very disappointed one day when that bunch decides to turn on you. Good luck. Dorothy7
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Gang: And you claim the "Club" frightened the elderly, sick & the frail. Luckily most of them never see this blog site. It reads like the Democrat blogsite after the 2000 election!
Mr easy didn't vote, why not, because no one came to him! maybe they reached 50% + 1 before they got to his house. he could have went to the office and signed the issue.
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 11:28 pm |
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BABLE ON AND ON AND ON AND ON
HORSE PUCKY !
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Dorothy7 wrote:
alasbabylon wrote: R: The residents voted, carried the issue and it is the residents voice, not the Clubs.
I am sure when the ballots are checked again your gang will still not except the results.
It has become a vendetta rather than a logical issue with you! Dear Alas: This is surely the most lurid fantasy yet
1. The tally of the vote...provided by the club to Vicki Wirtz and Dick Leckey is as follows:
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1. Ballots cast in person, as the Bylaws required 296 For.
2. Ballots cast in person, as the Bylaws required, 192 Against.
3. A total of 488 total ballots were cast and counted by the Tellers at the meeting.
4. The Constitution, Articles and Statutes require either a majority of all members eligible to vote, or 2/3 of those present and voting in person, to amend the Constitution, Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation.
5. 2/3 of 488 = 325+.
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The vote to amend the governing documents failed.
DVCC is still a voluntary club. It has no legal authority to force anyone to join, or to lien, or fine anyone... Dorothy7
Dorothy7,
Is this true? 488 out of 4,400?
IS THIS TRUE: "DVCC is still a voluntary club. It has no legal authority to force anyone to join, or to lien, or fine anyone..."?
RANT/ AND What about the 50%+1 that was originally claimed of the signature-gathering? When I followed them around in my neighborhood, (7) they gave up and left! But (7) is now in.
As the outlying communities fail because of the cost to commute Dreamland will become prime real estate, I think. (Gads, we're already up into the $160's!) Somehow, I think this whole mandatory membership is all about changing the zoning so developers can raze these old houses and build condos. The 80% (55 overlay) is easier to confirm if everyone HAS to be counted, heh? Is 20% of 4,400 worth the effort? Or is it 20% of the number with (3) zero-lotline houses where every (2) are now?
Do you realize that if I didn't already live here, I wouldn't be able to buy here because of the cost of the houses? Social Security ain't much. I bought here when I was still working, thinking I would be able to continue on a fixed income. Then along came "mandatory".
I had said before that the club was good for this community. Well, as long as the dues were cheap, it was a benefit. Without "mandatory", I would have just quit when the dues cost outweighed the benefit, but what now? What do I do when the dues get to $600? What point do the dues and rules fail the 'cost-effective' measurment?
Never mind the "another level of government" argument. Like annexation.
So what now? Do I have to start attending every meeting? No board member will like me there, because I won't like being there! I really don't give a s*** about whatever flailing about the social club is doing. Don't expect me to be at a meeting and be NICE!
My nose hasn't been tweaked yet, and my pocketbook hasn't been attacked yet, but you can bet I'll show if I think I'm about to be. I've been waiting for the "NEW CLUBHOUSE PROPOSAL" and resultant assessments that will surly follow mandatory membership.
That's the thing with voluntary boards - the only people that will volunteer are the ones that like to meddle, or control, or have an agenda.
Now I suppose I'll have to start watching this forum, too? Like I don't ever have anything ELSE to do? I RETIRED to get AWAY from WORK and other people giving me assignments!
/END OF RANT
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alasbabylon wrote: R: The residents voted, carried the issue and it is the residents voice, not the Clubs.
I am sure when the ballots are checked again your gang will still not except the results.
It has become a vendetta rather than a logical issue with you! Dear Alas: This is surely the most lurid fantasy yet
1. The tally of the vote...provided by the club to Vicki Wirtz and Dick Leckey is as follows:
1. Ballots cast in person, as the Bylaws required 296 For.
2. Ballots cast in person, as the Bylaws required, 192 Against.
3. A total of 488 total ballots were cast and counted by the Tellers at the meeting.
4. The Constitution, Articles and Statutes require either a majority of all members eligible to vote, or 2/3 of those present and voting in person, to amend the Constitution, Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation.
5. 2/3 of 488 = 325+.
The vote to amend the governing documents failed.
DVCC is still a voluntary club. It has no legal authority to force anyone to join, or to lien, or fine anyone... Dorothy7
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alasbabylon wrote:
R: The residents voted, carried the issue and it is the residents voice, not the Clubs.
I am sure when the ballots are checked again your gang will still not except the results.
It has become a vendetta rather than a logical issue with you!
EasyWriter responds:
Excuse me I did not get a chance to vote so don't be telling me I had a voice in this mess.Nobody ever approached me so to assume that I wanted to be part of this was so wrong. I am capable of thinking for myself and I don't follow the crowd. I am so tired of people telling me what I did and did not do so please cut the crap. The honest thing should have been for every homeowner to have gotten a chance to vote not just a chosen few and not by 50%+1. The big thing here is power and control because he holds the power rules, to heck with anybody else is that it??? I don't care about the potlucks or anything else only what is fair and honest and truthful!!
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R: The residents voted, carried the issue and it is the residents voice, not the Clubs.
I am sure when the ballots are checked again your gang will still not except the results.
It has become a vendetta rather than a logical issue with you!
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Ron & Cathy Ehninger wrote: COME ON BABEL ON AND ON WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
OH BUT THAT IS ASKING TOOOO MUCH FROM YOUR EMPTY HEAD. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WRITE ARE SO UN BELIEVABLE AND YOU HAVE NEVER SQUARLY FACED THE ONE SINGEL QUESTION. HOW CAN YOU FORCE PEOPEL TO JOIN YOUR CLUB AND PAY DUES ? hUHHHH ?
R Dorothy responds: Did you see the Independent this week and the comments from the writer regarding all the untended garages, yards, etc. etc. that plague DV?
This is a striking example of the "Mental Midgets" who run the pot-lucks and sing-a-longs at a huge cost to those who are under threat of lien if they refuse to pony-up for these silly activities.
It never occurs to these people who run around spying on their neighbors...think about it. Does anyone have time to run around and inspect nearly 3,000 lots? Who would waste time doing it if they did have time, except those self-absorbed idiots who sit on that goofy board making motions out of order, making rules they can't enforce, and paying a lawyer to torment, harass and abuse old sick people?
I have a neighbor now who is trying to get his case heard in the Justice Court, and prepare a defense in between dialysis sessions that are so draining physically that he can hardly move.
This is the sort of victim they always choose. Those heroes are the ones who spread such malicious lies about Mr. Nelms whose home was sold at sheriff's auction by our hero, Mr. Maxwell...this board's attorney.
These are our sick and elderly neighbors whom Billie Taparro agreed to take to court and place liens their property just before she resigned.
These are the same good neighbors who have with held the ballots of the pivotal Jan. '04 elections...hidden them in a sealed envelope "three days after the counting"!
Forcing yet another of their disabled neighbors to undergo a long court fight to get them.
When will the people in DV put a stop to all this? I am at a loss to explain why anyone would not ask why they have expelled three people who asked "Why not open the envelope and recount those ballots?"
If they are an accurate reflection of the actual count, what have they got to lose? If not, they simply need to set the results of that election aside and go on to the next pot-luck, or sing-a-long.
If past boards have unlawfully attached covenants to our deeds, this board needs to act to remove those covenants and get straight, and go straight. Simple, easy and lawful. The lawyer might not rack up a bunch of billable hours for which his victims are being billed, but we could all take a deep breathe and get back to living our lives unmolested by these skanks. Dorothy7
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COME ON BABEL ON AND ON WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
OH BUT THAT IS ASKING TOOOO MUCH FROM YOUR EMPTY HEAD. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WRITE ARE SO UN BELIEVABLE AND YOU HAVE NEVER SQUARLY FACED THE ONE SINGEL QUESTION. HOW CAN YOU FORCE PEOPEL TO JOIN YOUR CLUB AND PAY DUES ? hUHHHH ?
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 05:50 pm |
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POOR BABEL ON AND ON
SOMEONE HAS TO CONNECT THE DOTS FOR THOSE POOR SOUL! SOMEONE HAS TO SHOW THE LIGHT ON THIS CRAZY THINKING, SOMEONE BUT WHO? MISTER ROGERS? HUMMM BUT THERE IS HOPE THEY READ THE PAPER! YAHOOO. NOW IF THEY WILL JUST COMPREHEND WHAT THEY READ, BESIDE THE CITIZEN I MEAN. MY DOG REALLY ENJOYS HIS CHORES ON THAT PIECE OF JOURNALISIM. TAKE HEART DEAR SOULS, WE WILL AND WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE WITH THE MEATHEADS.
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 05:49 pm |
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| Ron & Cathy, yes, unfortunately I live in Nightmare Villa and am well acquainted with the East Mesa Independent. Somehow I MISSED the letter that Bill Webb wrote and just thought somebody might be able to copy and post it. Oh, well.
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 01:11 pm |
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| Dorothy7: I read the paper, it is amazing how you read that into it. I think it said something like making it harder to foreclose on a property that had a lien on it because of back HOA fees & penilties. Which the lady interviewed said forecloser was seldom an issue!
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Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 03:43 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: R: You read the papers, Apache Wells residents VOTED ON AND PASSED THE ISSUE! WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Oh! I forget if you disagree with the result of a vote it is corrupt and everyone in the WORLD is wrong. Wake up the WORLD doesn't revolve around R & C! IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND? YOU MAY NOT, UNDER LAW VOTE TO CONFISCATE MY PROPERTY. GET IT? YOU HAVE ENTERED INTO A SALES AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE PARTY TO SELL HIS HOME TO YOU. IN MOST CASES, A LENDING INSTITUTION IS ALSO A PARTY TO THE AGREEMENT, AND THE TRANSACTION IS COMPLETE.
THERE IS NO LEGAL MEANS BY WHICH A NON SIGNATORY TO THE AGREEMENT CAN CLAIM AN INTEREST WITHOUT YOUR PERSONAL PERMISSION IN WRITING, AND THE AGREEMENT OF ALL OTHER SIGNATORIES.
NOW, THE LEGISLATURE IS FINALLY PUTTING A STOP TO THESE VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW ONCE AND FOR ALL. READ THE FRONT PAGE OF THE TRIBUNE TODAY. dOROTHY7
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Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 02:03 pm |
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| R: You read the papers, Apache Wells residents VOTED ON AND PASSED THE ISSUE! WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Oh! I forget if you disagree with the result of a vote it is corrupt and everyone in the WORLD is wrong. Wake up the WORLD doesn't revolve around R & C!
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Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 01:44 pm |
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Ha, Bable Billie is babeling on and on and on again,
thought for a min there you had gone back to Minn or Wis or whatever. And you chose a most interesting subject to come back on. Apache Wells. So if the board votes for it is ok ? It is Law? NOT. Welcome back battery commando. Beep Beep Beep
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Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 01:40 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Dreamlandman: you wrote::::: .........Those words----SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS--- are FATAL!! and people need to be aware that unless stopped, the board has the power to spend as it pleases. Look no further than what is happening at Apache Wells and other communities.
Didn't the Apache Wells residents vote and approve the issue ? The board had to take it to the residents just as they did in dreamland! dorothy responds: Back at it, are we? Operating on the premise that he who asks the question frames the debate are you?
The answer to your question is no, the DV board did not put the question to the affected owners...and has not to this day...
Apache Wells has a run amok board...very similar to ours...who pine, long, and lust to become a REAL country club community in which the peasants can be soaked to pay for the entertainment and socializing of those who consider themselves (wish they could) to be a higher social class than they can afford to be on their own.
It's very sad, to watch them at their ages still clinging to the "up the ladder at any cost " notion that has been dead and buried in their real lives for many years , instead of using their last years to enjoy and be grateful for the lives they have now.
Encumbering other people with the cost of your delusions is just not legally or morally the right thing to do. No matter why you long for, wish for, yearn for anything...if you want it, pay for it yourself. All of you. Dorothy7.
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Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 01:08 pm |
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Dreamlandman: you wrote::::: .........Those words----SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS--- are FATAL!! and people need to be aware that unless stopped, the board has the power to spend as it pleases. Look no further than what is happening at Apache Wells and other communities.
Didn't the Apache Wells residents vote and approve the issue ? The board had to take it to the residents just as they did in dreamland!
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Posted: Thu May 10th, 2007 01:49 pm |
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You have to wonder why puzzeled does not know that ? Humm are you fishing? The Independant is available all over the East Valley and is delivered to most homes every Tuesday. Do you live in Nightmare Villa ? It really is a good answer to some of the junk going on in our community. Bill Webb is a hero. He made it his goal to inform all of his neighbors in Section Six and guess what? The Club and their clip board commandoes were not able to get enough signatures to make Section Six Mandatory. How is that important? First of all the folks that live in that section do not have clouded property deeds and second the Club can never have an HOA because ALL sections have to join. So you can bet they are burning the mid night oil trying to get that one figured out. Maybe they are just taking the sold units and making them mandatory through the transfer fees? Good be.
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Posted: Thu May 10th, 2007 01:43 pm |
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To Puzzled,
The Independent does not have Letters-To-The-Editor available on-line. The paper is limited in what's available to view on its On-line version. Otherwise, I could easily copy and post it for you to view. Sorry...Have a great day.
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Posted: Wed May 9th, 2007 05:58 pm |
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| I missed Bill Webb's letter in the Independent. Can you post a copy?
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Posted: Wed May 9th, 2007 08:06 am |
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Great information from R&C
.........Those words----SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS--- are FATAL!! and people need to be aware that unless stopped, the board has the power to spend as it pleases. Look no further than what is happening at Apache Wells and other communities.
If the board decides Dreamland Villa needs indoor swimming pools, an expansion of Farnsworth Hall, indoor shuffleboard courts, a five million dollar community center with an extra two million dollars worth of expanded meeting rooms, etc., etc., etc., etc., they have the power to so. That's why it's imperative that this un-checked power be stopped.
Great letter-to-editor by Bill Webb in today's Independent...Way to go Bill!
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Posted: Mon May 7th, 2007 01:45 pm |
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ARTICLE VI
SECTION 4.
SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. IN ADDITON TO THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZED ABOVE, THE CORPORATION MAY LEVY, IN ANY ASSESSMENT YEAR, A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DefRAYING, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, THE COST OF ANY CONSTRUCTION. RECONSTRUCTION, REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF ANY IMPROVEMENT UPN THE COMMON AREA, INCLUDING FIXTURES AND PERSONAL PROPERTY RELATED THERETO. REPLACEMENT OF DAMAGED OR DESTROYED COMMON AREAS.
How nice is this? For who? And this is attached to all the property deeds in Nightmare Villa except section Six ( Thank you Bill Webb)
So what will it be this next year? New bathrooms? To go with the new kitchen!
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Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 12:42 pm |
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I AM ADDRESSING THIS TO ALL OWNERS IN WHAT HAS INDEED BECOME, AS YOU SAY, "NIGHTMARE VILLA".
THERE IS AN ANSWER THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE OF MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP IN AN HOA.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WILL NOW BE DECIDED BY THE COURTS. THOSE OF US WHO WANT THE OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF OUR PROPERTY RESTORED WILL HAVE TO SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF LEGAL EXPENSES.
I HAVE DONATED OVER THE YEARS...AT NO SMALL SACRIFICE...AS HAS MY MOTHER. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CLUB IS SCHEMING EVERY DAY TO GAIN CONTROLLING INTEREST IN YOUR PROPERTY, AND IS WILLING TO FORECLOSE AND EVICT YOU IF YOU DO NOT MEET ANY DEMAND THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE.
THERE ARE 17 PAGES OF NEW COVENANTS ATTACHED TO ALL OUR DEEDS AT PRESENT.
IT IS STUNNING TO DISCOVER THAT THERE ARE VIRTUALLY NO RIGHTS DESIGNATED TO THE HOMEOWNER-MEMBER IN ALL THOSE PAGES OF LEGALESE...VIRTUALLY EVERY RIGHT NOW RESIDES WITH THE CLUB, AND THEIR ATTORNEY.
THERE ARE VIRTUALLY NO DEMANDS ON THE BOARD TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF SERVICE TO THE OWNERS.
COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES REFERENCE IS MADE TO ATTORNEY'S FEES, AND NEW POWERS GIVEN TO THE BOARD.
AS YOUR EXPIRATION NEARS, YOU ARE CLOSER TO LOSING YOUR 150,000.OO HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, OR IF YOU ARE NOW IN THE SO-CALLED MANDATORY SECTIONS, YOU HAVE LOST IT ALREADY.
EACH OF YOU NEEDS TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THIS PERFIDIOUS DOCUMENT, AND JOIN IN THE BATTLE TO RECOVER CONTROL OF OUR PROPERTY BY DONATING ALL YOU CAN. DOROTHY7
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Posted: Tue May 1st, 2007 01:52 pm |
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Guess the daily dose of Babel on and on got to be to much for many to endure. You are correct Dorothy, how did we allow the HOA;s to get so much power and why do we put up with it ? The new homeowners are so anxious to get their home closed and signed they will sign anything put in front of them without reading it . Then down the road they find out they have agreed to pay dues for what ? Common areas? What if you don't have much common area? Then what are you paying for? Someone to file every ten years for any overlay? Gee that is pretty exspensive isn't it. It is a blessing to some of us when the winter visitors go home and peace is restored to our neighborhoods . The traffic is better and the lines at the store and bank are shorter. So now Summer settles in and we are waiting to see what happens in Nightmare Villa.
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