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Posted: Tue May 1st, 2007 01:39 pm |
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Has everyone gone home, or what? I went down to the capitol yesterday and expressed my approval of restoring the Homestead exemption to all homeowners in Arizona, not just the ones lucky enough to be free of an HOA. It turns out that most of the CCR's (Conditions,Covenants and Restrictions) DO NOT state that by signing your agreement to CC&Rs that you have lost your 150,000.00 protected equity in your home.
Representative Eddie Farnsworth (no relation to Ross et al) stated that the Statute allowing HOAs to act as a quasi-governmental agency was passed in 1996, without the legislature intending that this would happen.
Its effect was to allow an HOA more rights under law than credit card companies, your lawyer, your bank (except for the first mortgager, your doctor, or any other party to whom you owe money.
He is asking that either every homeowner have the Homestead Exemption, or none have it.
He explained that the State enacted it (the Homestead Exemption) in order to avoid having people who could not pay a bill destituted by liens. That is because the State must then step in and pay for the care of at least one or two people who are driven into poverty by liens against their property.
He also explained that the legitimate HOAs would still have the same tools as every other privately held corporate creditor.
Several so-called HOA lawyers got up and gave their self-serving blather, about clogging the courts with homeowner lawsuits.
The gal from Ekmark got up and rambled on and on about the number of foreclosure they entered each year. It was truly astonishing how many people are being attacked by these shabby little legal sharks!
I ask again. How the H--- did we ever come to this? Why aren't homeowners down there with pitchforks driving those scoundrels out of town?
I worry that we have become a nation of sheep...letting the barking dogs drive us right off a cliff into tyranny...without a murmur of protest. Dorothy7
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 02:28 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: I think your words went something like this " if my neighbors were younger I could find help with my yard work and house maintinace when I needed!" I will see if I can find the entry as I did the LETTER one! Dorothy overlooked this inaccurate and misleading quotation. As usual, I shall correct it...
I was discussing "lowering" the age restriction...not abandoning it. I looked at many, many age restricted units before choosing one that did not have mandatory dues, nor an HOA. Most of them had 50+ limit. One had 45+. I could not see a substantial difference in the upkeep or facilities offered...in the 50+, but the 45+ did have a lot more attention to the lawns and other landscaping and paint, and roofing all looked new and pristine. We had discussed lowering the age limit on the Mandatory dues Committee...in 2001. Most of the board was in favor at that time, but since we were filing for the Senior Overlay exemption renewal at that time, we felt that it would be too difficult and time consuming to put that question out to the Community and get the approval of 67% of the residents...which the Statutes required. Now that you know the truth of matter, maybe you would like to offer a retraction of the above quoted misquote? Dorothy7
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 02:01 pm |
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Margaret,
Thanks for a well thought out and well written letter that sumarizes the club, the board of directors and all the stuff they are trying to jam down the community throat. Clear voices like yours are needed especially to address the wonderful literary piece written by Mrs. Cook. She is a piece of work ! Stop trying to bully us you guys, it is not working !
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DreamlandMan
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Dorothy7
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 12:53 pm |
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Dear DVman...I'm back! Have been painting and repairing inside walls on my DV property...believe me, this is the first time I can tell I'm a Senior! Creak, Groan!
My brother, who is 14 months younger than I, has been doing the same thing...we made a pact that when we finish this round of upgrades we're hiring someone else to do the next!
I thought perhaps you-all would like an update on Vicki's adventures in trying to obtain club records from the club.
As of this point in time, she has made at least 32 requests for access to the ballots cast at the pivotal membership meeting on January 13, 2004. She was an elections official at that meeting, and has serious questions about the ballot count.
On October 28, 2006 she filed a Complaint in the Superior Court, pro per...(representing herself)...in which she asked the Judge to order production of those ballots, because the club had made it clear that they were going to allow their lawyer to hide them in a sealed envelope as "work product" to protect themselves from "anticipated lawsuits".
Maxwell, speaking at a special meeting to answer another member's request for the ballots, made the statement that the only person who would see those ballots was a judge, and that:
Following the Jan."04 meeting, on January 16, '04, he had put the ballots in an envelope and sealed them...
The question is:
"Why?" Ask yourself. What motive would induce you to decide to hide the ballots three days after they had been counted?
If the ballot count was as reported, and the ballots were all legally cast under the rules, what reason would there be to hide them?
The DV Board, and Maxwell had denied that they knew where the ballots were, or if they still existed when Vicki asked for them repeatedly, in writing, and at meetings beginning immediately after the count was announced.
Suddenly, on June 8, 2006 someone remembered that they did, in fact have them in a sealed envelope, but they would not be inspected and copied as the Statute requires that they allow any member, on written request to do.
The exception, under the Statute is that a pending, or anticipated lawsuit at which the ballots are an issue, (and there was no lawsuit, and no one was threatening a lawsuit on Feb.2, '06, or on June 8, '06) but they refused, and demanded that if anyone wants to see the ballots they must file a lawsuit. (This is too cute by half, since on December 12, 2006, the Board tried to expel Vicki "because she was costing the club money with her court case.") This expulsion also included revoking her status as a member in good standing to January '06.
Of course, Maxwell filed a Motion to Dismiss based on this attempt to expel, and loss retroactively of her "good standing."
Again. Ask yourself. What motive, that makes any sense, would have compelled Maxwell to decide to hide the ballots on Jan. 16, '04? What sensible motive would inspire an unlawful attempt to expel without notice, or a hearing as the rules and the law requires?
In a Minute Entry filed by Judge Abrams, dated 04/20/07, The club's Motion to Dismiss was denied. Apparently, the Judge is asking herself the same questions.
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DreamlandMan
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To Margaret Bohning:
I salute you for your outstanding letter published in Tuesday's East Mesa Independent.
I'm sure that Joan Cook is still reeling!
Also, every Speak Out comment that concerned DV was decidedly against DVCC Board Members and their dishonest actions.
beep....beep....beep....beep
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Ron & Cathy Ehninger
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 04:00 pm |
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BABEL BILLIE ON AND ON AND ON,
YOU have the nerve to claim the clipboard brigade that went door to door with their clip boards asking residents to sign to save the club and the overlay was a democratic vote? You have the nerve to say that ??? You are nuts as always and if you think that was a vote of the majority you are so very wrong!! And when the people found out they had been duped and went to the Jan 2004 meeting to take back their votes, you guys and the attorney sent them all home. How democractic and honest was that ? And when one of the vote officials that night discovered the obvious stuffing of the votes, she has paid dearly every sense trying to bring the truth out.
IT IS NOT AN HOA, IT IS A NON PROFIT SOCIAL CLUB WITH HALF A MILLION BUCKS IN THE BANK!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dorothy7
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 02:14 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: you stated " If the club spent half the time (and money) recruiting members that it spends stealing from their neighbors they would have a majority of the voluntary sections paying their dues...as they once did. Now, they have lawsuits.
Fact!
The Club took the issue to the residents and the residents approved it! So tell the truth, the residents are stealing from themselves and their neighbors, not the Club!
Doesn't make sense when you tell the truth does it? Yes indeed it does!
The problem is the board did not take the issue to the people. They lied about what they were collecting signatures to approve. So, the signatories are innocent...the board is guilty of lying and stealing from their neighbors.
At a meeting of Concerned Citizens at which 500 homeowners attended, 205 were club members and signatories. They have signed affidavits swearing that they were told nothing about SADR and nothing about trying to form an HOA. They were told it was to approve "saving the Senior Overlay". See, the truth is truly the most sensible...try it sometime. Dorothy7
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 01:06 am |
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Dorothy7: you stated " If the club spent half the time (and money) recruiting members that it spends stealing from their neighbors they would have a majority of the voluntary sections paying their dues...as they once did. Now, they have lawsuits.
Fact!
The Club took the issue to the residents and the residents approved it! So tell the truth, the residents are stealing from themselves and their neighbors, not the Club!
Doesn't make sense when you tell the truth does it?
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 12:39 am |
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| R: I was responding to Dorothy, you should have noticed that, but as usual you don't pay much attention to detail!
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 01:40 pm |
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Babel on and on and on,
Did anyone notice how babel on and on , avoided any response to puzzeled posting? Boy, howdy, when you can't come up with an answer to a very basic question about mandatory membership , you go off on some tagent about the overlay again. Come on Bable Billie, get with the program and tell us how you really feel about forcing your neighbors to join your club. Come on do it !
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 01:34 pm |
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| Dorothy7: I think your words went something like this " if my neighbors were younger I could find help with my yard work and house maintinace when I needed!" I will see if I can find the entry as I did the LETTER one!
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 02:13 am |
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alasbabylon wrote: Doroty7 wrote: Any committee of homeowners can submit the application for this exemption. The club has done it because it volunteered to do it...not because it is required to. Without the club, we would still have a Senior Overlay if the people in this development want it. Dorothy7.
Dorothy... once again " but it is the CLUB that DOES IT! THE CLUB IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN DOING IT! THIS CLUB IS THE COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 40 YEARS! YOUR VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORS IN THE CLUB WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT! BUT THEN AGAIN YOU STATED THE OVERLAY IS OF NO CONCERN OF YOURS! Dorothy is losing patience, dear Alas.
I have never, by word or deed said I was unconcerned about the Senior Overlay...I have stated that there is no connection between the unlawful encumbrance of our property by fraud and the Senior Overlay that is enforced by the County.
The Executive Director of Planning and Development for Maricopa County has stated that the ONLY REQUIREMENT TO QUALIFY FOR THE SENIOR OVERLAY IS TO ESTABLISH THAT 80% OF OWNERS ARE 55+. I purchased my home here knowing full well that it was an age restricted Community.
What both you and the board refuse to deal with is that you are committing a criminal act against your neighbors, by illegally seizing their property, stuffing the ballot box at an election, and hiding the ballots from election officials. Finally: The Board has not been filing for the Senior Overlay for 40 years. The federal fair housing act was not passed until 1989, and DVCC did not apply for the Exemption until 1995.
Will you please check your facts before you blast off with these inaccurate quotes and false assertions? Thanks..Dorothy7
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DreamlandMan
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 11:39 pm |
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Babel Billie on and on and on,
All you have to do for your yes or no is read the post from puzzeled. That says it all. Beep Beep Beep
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 10:14 pm |
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| The senior overlay IS important but that is not what THIS discussion is about! Our private property, that you saw fit to place encumbarances on without our consent, is the point! Fear of losing the senior overlay is the lie that was told to some of the elderly people so that they would sign those petitions. I have talked to some that did not understand at all what was going on. This is not right and such a sneaky, underhanded way to get an HOA. But that is the only way you could get one in Dreamland!
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 02:26 pm |
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R; every other statement by you guys is " the club does not maintain the overlay" read what Dorothy7 & Dreamlandman write. You stated that is not what it is about! But is a freeby to the nonpaying members! I am stating that the nonmembers benefit from the Club if only in the 55+ overlay.
Is the 55+ overlay important to the residents of Dreamland Villa, members and nonmembers alike? ? ?
Yes or No ? ? ?
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 01:57 pm |
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THE OVERLAY HAS NEVER BEEN THE ISSUE, THE FORCED MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP IN A SOCIAL CLUB IS THE ISSUE!!!!!!!
TRY TO DEAL WITH THAT AND EXPLAIN WHY THE CLUB FILED THE SADR ON ALL OUR DEEDS EXCEPT SECTION SIX !!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS THE ISSUE BABEL ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 01:53 pm |
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Doroty7 wrote: Any committee of homeowners can submit the application for this exemption. The club has done it because it volunteered to do it...not because it is required to. Without the club, we would still have a Senior Overlay if the people in this development want it. Dorothy7.
Dorothy... once again " but it is the CLUB that DOES IT! THE CLUB IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN DOING IT! THIS CLUB IS THE COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 40 YEARS! YOUR VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORS IN THE CLUB WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT! BUT THEN AGAIN YOU STATED THE OVERLAY IS OF NO CONCERN OF YOURS!
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 12:16 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Puzzled: Having an HOA or not did not come into consideration when we purchased out house. The 55+ overlay did, the clean streets, quite neighborhood all of these did. No matter what Dreamlandman, Dorothy7 and R & C say, all residents benefit from the Clubs presence. And for 40+ years the Club members paying dues have paid the price.
A good example of an area that was 55+ and they didn't maintain the overlay is at the S E Corner of Main St & Gilbert Road. I have been driving the Valley almost every day since 1974, from Sun City to Gold Canyon. I driven thru trailer parks that go from 55+ to all family parks, residential areas that have been 55+ and now are all family. Dorothy responds once more: As you point out for over 40 years the voluntary members of the club paid the price. That is because they had a choice. If the club spent half the time (and money) recruiting members that it spends stealing from their neighbors they would have a majority of the voluntary sections paying their dues...as they once did. Now, they have lawsuits. They are hung out there with their past bad acts coming home to roost and personal liability staring them in the face as well as jeopardizing the club's survival.
The club does not enforce the Senior Overlay, and is not responsible for its continuation in effect. It is a Federal responsibility under the 1989 Fair Housing Act that permits the County to administer exemptions. Any committee of homeowners can submit the application for this exemption. The club has done it because it volunteered to do it...not because it is required to. Without the club, we would still have a Senior Overlay if the people in this development want it. Dorothy7.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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Puzzled: Having an HOA or not did not come into consideration when we purchased out house. The 55+ overlay did, the clean streets, quite neighborhood all of these did. No matter what Dreamlandman, Dorothy7 and R & C say, all residents benefit from the Clubs presence. And for 40+ years the Club members paying dues have paid the price.
A good example of an area that was 55+ and they didn't maintain the overlay is at the S E Corner of Main St & Gilbert Road. I have been driving the Valley almost every day since 1974, from Sun City to Gold Canyon. I driven thru trailer parks that go from 55+ to all family parks, residential areas that have been 55+ and now are all family.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 06:24 pm |
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| Yes, Alasbabyon, all the same reasons we all moved here. This community has done just fine for over 40 years without your HOA. If that is what you want, why didn't you move where there is one already existing instead of tying us up in this legal mess? We will never recover from it. I also joined the club and paid my dues for the first 15 years that I lived here but it was MY choice. We chose to live here because there was no HOA! Now the title to our property is clouded with all these changes that your attorney made.
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| Puzzled: We moved into Dreamland because it was a quite, clean, 55+ community with ammenidies! We joined the Club, and have enjoyed the activities that we are interested in, made new friends and just enjoy our senior years! We have had relatives visit and move in for the same reason!
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 08:53 pm |
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Oh yes, Alsasbayon, the realtors told you! We wrote in every contract that Dreamland Villa Community Club was NOT a home owners association but was a NON-mandatory social club. WHAT happened????
If you wanted a mandatory HOA, why did you move here? We liked it just fine the way it was. That is why we bought here!
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OH! The new age American way, blame everything on someone else, the realtor didn't tell me, the seller didn't tell me, the neighbor told me, but it was a lie. The used car dealer didn't tell me, the politician didn't tell me, the recruiter didn't tell me! The gun company didn't tell me, the hair dryer company didn't tell me!
It's not my fault!
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NOTHING FROM NOTHING STILL EQUALS NOTHING,
THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE, NOTHING, EMPTY HEADED NUM SKULL THAT HAS NOTHING TO ADD, JUST BABEL ON AND ON AND ON;
YOU COULDN'T TRAP A FLY WITH FLY PAPER LET ALONE SOME SOLARE POWERED BATTERIES.
BABLE ON DUDES
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R & Dorothy7: See how easy it was for me to prove that you distort and twist things that don't even exist. Nothing was said and you jump all over it like flies on honey! 
Trapped by the solar powered truth detector!
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THE GOLDEN FEARS OF HOA YEARS
Just when you were looking forward to enjoying those Golden years, you are nothing but beholden to thy HOA neighbor
July 21, 2003
By Ann Roth
Copyright Ann Roth
Ahhhh yes..........you've finally paid your dues.
You have also paid for the diapers, the DMV, the diplomas, the degree and finally, the Deed. Thirty years of blood, sweat and tears commitment to pay off that mortgage and own your "Golden Castle" free and clear"!
Just when you think you are home free, you quickly realize home is NOT so free.
YOU LIVE IN A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION!
What were you thinking? You read your Covenants, conditions and restrictions - a.k.a. your HOA "constitution"? Didn't you?
Sure you did. Your CCR's were 20 years old and but a mere 15 pages of legalese 101. Easy enough to read and comprehend even for the average "Joe Homeowner". But what you couldn't have possibly read are the 100 pages of HOA civil code that apply because you never got a copy.
The seller never told you about them. The realtor never told you about them. Because if they did - there likely would have been no sale and therefore no commission. And that is assuming they even knew they existed.
It matters not. There is no requirement in the law that they be disclosed to you anyway. Because these HOA civil codes are considered public law - you are required to know they exist by default. Never mind that those laws spell out in gory detail how your home can be foreclosed on by a handful of so called "elected" neighbors for not paying your dues.
AND YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE PAYING YOUR DUES?
Never. Not for as long as you live in a homeowners association. Those dues just keep going and going and going and going in perpetuity. They also go up. Ever increasing dues can quickly surpass your fixed income living expense limitations. Your timeless HOA indebtedness does not include unexpected special assessments and possible fines for violating your HOA "constitution".
If you can't afford to pay these dues and assessments - you pay big time. That is with your home.
Now you are - BEHOLDEN TO THY HOA NEIGHBOR.
Foreclosure by neighbor is fast becoming a lucrative housing sport for the HOA industry. What better than a paid off home with thousands upon thousands of dollars in equity to supply an unlimited source of nourishment for a litigious feeding frenzy with "Joe Homeowner" being served up as bait in the middle of the arena?
All of this can snowball out of control in just a matter of days with the noose tightening for that final foreclosure choke hold in as little as 90 days time. The HOA industry vendors with a vendetta will sink their claws into your carotid equity and bleed you to debt in no time.
All that hard work. Decades of blood, sweat, and tears shed to create shelter for your Golden years and to provide a legacy for your children and your Grand children, could be gone as quickly as the blip on the angiogram of HOA housing.
Used to be a time that the family farm was passed on for generations to come. Now, the "family farm" is just farmed out once it's coffers are plump and juicy.
The last thing you want to be doing in your Golden years is fighting HOA predators. You may well end up spending your last days on earth fending them off. That is if the stress doesn't kill you first.
Be aware. Be educated. Be in control of your castle. Know what you are getting yourself into.
Before you sink your life and life savings into any type of HOA housing, reconsider your options. Why not buy a real home that can truly be your Golden Castle? No attachments and no attached garages. No board of neighbors to dictate how you will live in your own home. Aren't you old enough by now to know how to do that?
The famous Jurist Sir Edward Coke, could have never imagined how prolific a statement he made when he proclaimed, "A Man's House is His castle." Lord, how he must be turning in his grave, and very likely next to an HOA victim.
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alasbabylon wrote: This is brilliant!!! You have seen the light. Praise God. Even though you make statements that I constantly refute with proof...you have at last, admitted that you will find an excuse for not taking any action to correct a serious legal wrong against your helpless elderly neighbors who are having to pay for Maxwell to persecute them? Liening someone's home is a dispicable act. It cannot be excused by I didn't know, or I am puzzled. The Summonses were sent out. You know it! They represent an evil act of theft from a neighbor who owes you nothing so that you can claim to be Happy while stealing from the infirm and elderly.
Please try to focus on your responsibility to take action and oppose these contemptible acts by a run amok board of directors. Dorothy7
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HAHAHHAHAH
THIS IS THE ONLY POST ON THE BLOG YOU HAVE EVER MADE THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. BLANK, NOTTA , NOTHING, ZIP, ZERO, THAT IS EACTLY WHAT YOU ARE AND REPRESENT.
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Thank you , I liked it !
beep be b oh rats they are gone !
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| R; Brilliant reply! Riiibbiittt RiiibbiiTT!
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: you said "They made a big show of holding up the timer, and interrupting his discourse at the 3 minute mark.
I wonder how much of what Petra said will appear in the minutes? "
They waited after the timer ( used for every speaked in the open forum ) went off, for a break in his speech to tell him his time was up. They have been using that timer in all the meetings. It is on the printed agenda about the time limit and the reasons for it. Why would he be surprised about it? You act they were picking on him! Beep Beeep Beeep
And you know they don't put open forum speeches in the minutes.
Beeep Beeep Beeep Let me see if I understand what you are alleging..beee...The Board cannot extend the courtesy to a member who had obviously prepared a plea for reason, to speak more than 3 minutes when no one else was speaking? It is highly likely that you have not been reading the Citizen...the forum is always referred to, and the topic of the speeches identified, and at times, a spirited rebuttal is offered in the minutes. buh..bu..uh..up.
Why don't the members attend meetings. You are rude. That's why. Why don't they vote? They have no opportunity to propose a slate of candidates, and to vote for them and have their votes counted, or are sent home because the Hall is full when they do come out. There's an odd thing about ignorance of the facts Alas...especially willful ignorance...it makes you terribly boring to converse with. (sorry about that) Dorothy7
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 01:59 pm |
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Babel Bille,
YEAH AND IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T WEAR OUT HIS BUTT HOPPIN !!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 01:55 pm |
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R: If you had been there as I was you would know his letter didn't take that long!
beep beeep beep
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 01:47 pm |
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Babel Billie,
Did they have the timer on when Marowtski read the infamous letter ? Bet that went more than three mins. He needed at least that to harrang Dorothy. but then again you guys make up the rules as you go , no problem. Better get them batteries checked Babel on and on about really nothing.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 01:33 pm |
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Dorothy7: you said "They made a big show of holding up the timer, and interrupting his discourse at the 3 minute mark.
I wonder how much of what Petra said will appear in the minutes? "
They waited after the timer ( used for every speaked in the open forum ) went off, for a break in his speech to tell him his time was up. They have been using that timer in all the meetings. It is on the printed agenda about the time limit and the reasons for it. Why would he be surprised about it? You act they were picking on him! Beep Beeep Beeep
And you know they don't put open forum speeches in the minutes.
Beeep Beeep Beeep
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 02:46 am |
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Hi'MYMY,
Annexations will proberly soplve the probleme Because I live of acounty island my self and the cou nty cant do clap for us.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 02:43 pm |
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Yes, R & C it is very frustrating at times. They choose their victims carefully. Only the most helpless are attacked, and they are Knowingly allowing the abuse of the ill, enfeebled and helpless. They actively hope that the stress brought on by their threats will kill their victims. Mr. Espinoza is a prime example. It's become pay up or die here in Nightmaresville USA.
I wonder how many of the Board members are willing to kill for 94.00? Maybe they should think about it once in awhile...when they're partying together.
Think about this.
In meetings at which members raise questions regarding the legal basis for their actions they refuse to answer...referring those members to their attorney. The next sentence is: You cannot as members write to, email, or visit their attorney, because it generates costs to the club.
The result is multiple lawsuits during which the original questions are ignored, and the club gets billed for months of filings with no response to the complaint. This is intolerable both under the laws..of equity. Equal justice for all, and the laws of reason.
What kind of equity exists in a lawsuit in which the plaintiff is paying the fees of the defendants, and their own legal expenses?
Think about this if you really want your hair to burst into flames. ha Dorothy
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 02:25 pm |
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Dear Alas: Don't recognize the news organization reference, so I can safely say I have not yet worked for or with them.
The Second question about honesty and integrity...I do recognize, and out the window is certainly correct...Tell me where the Citizen prints a single honest word about the meetings?
Are you aware that the Board has forbidden me to correct the minutes, and taping the meetings is my response. Petra Campion rose and tried to warn the Board about the unlawful and arbitrary rules they are attempting to impose on DV residents. They made a big show of holding up the timer, and interrupting his discourse at the 3 minute mark.
I wonder how much of what Petra said will appear in the minutes?
Can you imagine submitting a rule for approval to a governing body of any sort that admits it has no authority to enforce it?
It is a clear, and wilful act of intended deception. They will print it up as a rule...leading everyone to believe (wrongfully) that utility trailers cannot be kept on the lots.
Honesty and integrity require more than this group is capable of.
You really must identify the lapses, and by whom they are being perpetrated. Dorothy7
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 02:01 pm |
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Dorothy,
Your courage continues to amaze me as you go willing into that den of thieves. It makes me so mad when they continue to think they are above the laws of the State of AZ and the constitution of the USA. Someone, someday is going to hold their feet to the fire and I hope it burns like hell. All they have to do now is make a motion and pass it to change anything they want and to fine anybody they want. It must gall them that they think this won't happen untill 2012. News Flash, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN !. Unless and untill they get section six into the fold, they can never be an HOA and unless and untill they get through all the court cases, they will never be an HOA and they don't deserve to be one. They never held an official vote for an HOA but that has never stopped them before has it ? It is exactly like the protection racket in the mid west, pay me and I will leave you alone. They must stop the bullying and fear they are spreading. IDIOTS !
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 01:59 pm |
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R &C. If you will compare the information on the club's filing for their corporate taxes, then compare them with the terms describing the club's authority in the Summonses..you will find some very interesting changes in their legal description.
I took special note of Jim Cook's comments, since he is one of those in this up to his neck from day one. "We will not be an HOA until 2012." is a very interesting statement.
Maxwell has repeatedly referred to the club as an "association" in his correspondence, yet, there is no "association" as defined in the statutes.
These Summonses either misrepresent the legal entity filing them, or Jim Cook has not read the legal definition of a planned community and an association both of which require every owner to be a mandatory member, and that all lot owners be equally responsible for the "common expenses".
These definitions also include that the authority to administer the provisions of the declaration in an association or planned community be assigned to the club "in the declaration."
I can find no authority in any of the documents to arbitrarily force a few people in a few sections to pay or be liened, and the majority of sections pay if they wish, and enjoy the same benefits of membership as do those now being threatened with liens for non-payment.
As a result of all this, the owners of property in DV find their property titles clouded with a stack of documents that are not in effect in some cases, and in effect in others.
All of us are in this legal grinder...not just those who are contesting the liens. I implore you people now ignoring this situation, or in favor of forcing dues to consider the mess you're in, and to demand that the club stop this nonsense and clear our deeds of this mess.
Ask yourself: Who is profiting from all this angst, and abuse of owners? Who has divided our community into warring factions? Who walks away enriched and unscathed? The attorney who started this mess is billing the association fees for thousands, to collect 92.00? Is this Alice in wonderland or not? Dorothy7
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 01:53 pm |
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Babel Billie,
You should know about honesty and integrity. I recently have been in contact with a family that had many run ins with the club and many court battles that have been hushed up. In respect for their privacy they will go un named, but the amazing thing about the last coversation we had is that they said the Club has no respect for the Constitution of the USA and no respect for individual rights and liberties. Boy is that right on the mark ! So all this bantering about politics is funny when you put this mandatory membership thing in perspective.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 01:47 pm |
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| Dorothy7: Did you ever work for the a national media source. You attend a meeting then report what went on in the meeting with distortions to meet the agenda you have! Honesty and integrity thrown out the window!
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 02:12 pm |
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On page B 2 of today's Tribune, another mighty interesting artlce. It is about non profits and how they have to file their tax returns etc. " the tax forms are available for public viewing" http://www.guidestar.org . You might want to take a look at how our friends at Nightmare Villa are reporting their monies. Non profit?
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 02:09 pm |
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The meeting yesterday began with swearing in Jim Fleschner...He rose and stood facing the President and Mr. Cook while Tana read the "Oath".
Now, in normal organizations or societies, the Oath of office is something like this.
"Do you swear to carry out the duties of the office to which you have been elected, and to the best of your ability represent your constituents, in accordance with the rules of the society, and the laws of this state and the Constitution of the United States?"
This silly thing is an oath of loyalty to the Board and SADR.
Marvin Madsen made a motion to accept the verbal resignation of George Sheppard at last week's meeting. The motion passed.
Linda Rahon, or Rajon was appointed to fill the vacancy...at the President's request.
What happened to nominations and volunteers? Oh Well.
The Minutes of three prior meetings were approved, but not read. (1/9/07,2/13/07, & 3/13/07.)
1/9, was the one where they tried to change the rules in order to expel me and Vicki without first giving us a written notice of the rules we are alleged to have violated...still don't have the written notice of violations of rules in effect at the time of our expulsion.
2/13 was the adjourned meeting because I was present and intimidating the board.
3/13 was the failed general meeting at which they hoped to have the new rules adopted, but failed to achieve a quorum. (I think)...the minutes weren't read, so I'll have to review those minutes.
Then, Mrs. Coles gave a brief review of their financial situation. Their major expenses were insurance and Gas, as well as legal fees.
They took in $15,500 and spent $39,202. (insurance???)
The welcoming committee called on 60 new purchasers...30 had not moved in, or something and were vacant. A coffee was planned but no one came.
Committee Reports followed, during which it was announced that the Kitchen had passed inspection (at last and many $$$), but could not be used until all four bathrooms were brought up to code. Surprise?
Marcel Hemmons proposed a new Rule for DV residents. This rule is not among those that are enforced by the County as a part of the County zoning code.
New Rule: Will disallow the parking of utility trailers on DV property.
Murawski asked whether the club would have to enforce this rule, and if so, how?
The answer provided by Mr. Cook was that the club would not be an HOA until 2012, and that in the interim, it could not fine residents as most HOAs would 50.00 or more a day for violating the rule, but that it should pass anyway.
I asked, what's the point in passing rules you cannot enforce? No response.
New business included : Medical benefits for employees, buying a dust collector for the woodshop, and buying new Senior Overlay signs...
I left at this point.
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