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Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:30 am |
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East Tribune Editorial January 13, 2007
The best way to repair fractious retirement haven would be a return to voluntary dues payment
The singer Tom Waits once wrote in a song about a dying love affair that “you can’t unring a bell.” Trying to unravel the legal morass that has enveloped Dreamland Villa may be just as difficult, but to us it appears to be the only way to resolve the discord that has cast a cloud over one of the East Valley’s oldest retirement communities.
This 3,000-home development, located on a county island surrounded by east Mesa, was built 45 years ago, before homeowners associations were common in single-family neighborhoods. For decades its clubhouse, wood shop and other amenities were paid for on an elective basis: if residents wanted to use these amenities, they could join the club and pay an annual fee to help with the upkeep.
Today, it can be difficult to buy a home that is not attached to an HOA. But the burdens and benefits of HOAs are well-known and explained, or at least mentioned, up front; most homeowners, unhappy as they may be with their HOAs at times, knew the risks.
But adding en masse to the deed restrictions of an already-occupied subdivision is something that should be done very carefully, and the indications are that, for whatever reason, it wasn’t in Dreamland Villa.
Proponents of mandatory membership, contending everyone should help maintain facilities that added to their property value whether or not they used them, collected signatures from at least half the homeowners in each section. But a sizeable number claim they were never told about the mandatory fees.
In 2004, a vote by those currently belonging to the club was taken, and former members who had stopped paying their dues were not allowed to participate. The one lawsuit filed to question this vote was dismissed on a legal technicality.
As Jason Massad reported in Sunday’s Tribune, 39 homeowners have received summonses for nonpayment of the $92 annual fee, which with penalties and legal fees has in some cases turned into more than $700 in debt on their homes. This could lead to liens or foreclosures.
The board members who started this process appear to have had the good intention of ensuring the community’s assets were maintained long into the future, and possibly giving them more teeth to enforce the age restriction.
But there appear to be enough clouds over the way the situation was handled that the best course of action at this point would be to return to the voluntary membership model that worked reasonably well for four decades, consistently keep nonmembers out of the club haunts, and, if necessary, attempt to bring in mandatory membership with a more transparent process.
Opinions expressed in the editorials, labeled OUR VIEW, are those of the editorial board and the publisher. All other opinions are those of the authors or artists.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10th, 2007 02:20 pm |
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WHAT REALLY BUGS US IS THAT THE CLUB THINKS AND BELIEVES IT CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO JOIN IT ! HOW ON EARTH DO THEY THINK THEY CAN DO THAT. AND BABEL ON AND ON DON'T QUOTE THE CCR'S TO US, THEY JUST MIGHT NOT BE LEGAL ANY WAY ?
PARTY ON DUDES AND CLEAN THE LENS OFF THE CAMERA AT THE POOL
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 01:37 pm |
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I JUST KNOW BABEL ON AND ON AND ON IS SITTING AT ITS COMPUTER THIS AM AND JUST CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS GOING TO WRITE TODAY, SO IN ANTICIPATION, HAVE A HAPPY NICE DAY YOU NUT CASE.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 01:39 pm |
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OH THAT EXPLAINS IT, BABEL ON AND ON HAS BEEN STANDING IN THE SUN TOO LONG AND HAS FRIED IT'S BRAIN!
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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| R: No weak batteries, you forget the detector is solar powered, and we have plenty of sunshine in Dreamland!
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 12:40 am |
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AND SO ??? THE BATTERIES ARE GETTING WEAKER AND WEAKER SIR BABLE OR WHATEVER.
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| Beep Beep Beeep Beeep
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 01:43 pm |
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Babel IT
And how is this a confession? More like an invitation to join in and stop hiding. But you don't have the guts for all that do you ? Keep on Babeling on and on , it is what you do best. Confession, NUTS
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 01:18 pm |
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R: you wrote:::: WHAT'S THE MATTER BABEL, DON'T YOU WANT THE HATE MAIL, THE PHONE CALLS AND THE NEAT MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS? COME ON BABLE ON AND ON GET WITH THE PROGRAM. IT IS FUN !
Beep Beep Beeep
A confession at last! Did you see that Dorothy7 ?
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 01:52 pm |
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SO OUR BRAVE BABLE ON AND ON AND ON WON'T COME OUT OF THE CLOSET. OK, FROM NOW ON YOU ARE AN "IT". IT HAS AN OPINION, IT HAS A THOUGHT,( ONCE IN A BLUE MOON) IT RESPONDS BUT IT DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW WHO IT IS. IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT HAPPY ? WHAT'S THE MATTER BABEL, DON'T YOU WANT THE HATE MAIL, THE PHONE CALLS AND THE NEAT MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS? COME ON BABLE ON AND ON GET WITH THE PROGRAM. IT IS FUN !
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Posted: Thu May 10th, 2007 02:01 pm |
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So what if your neighbor builds a wall around his house in one day using illegals and no footings and no building permit. No inspector? What then? Will the Club report this good old boy? Will they tatel on him like they did us ? Wonder what side he is on. Must be a good old boy dues paying one of theirs. Sure seems to be a double standard. Hey Morotski, tell your county inspector buddy to go take a look. It is only about a half block from the Clubhouse and you can ride by in your red gold cart with Bille T. Double dog dare you .
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 01:56 am |
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Babel Bille,
Nice try but I am not buying it. You were the President and your last act was to kick three people out of your club without proper process even by your own rules and than after the fact you tried to hold another illegal meeting and change the rules and when that didn't work you hired your lawyer to kick them off retoractive to Jan 2006. How's that for happy in Nightmare Villa
bable on and on and on and on
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| R: Can you read? Do you understand what you read? I give you clues to who I'm not and you miss them all! I have never served on the board, past or present. So that leaves about 3000 people that you can choose from. It doesn't make any difference who I am any way.
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Ron & Cathy Ehninger wrote: Gee, there was a mighty interesting article in the paper today about the Mathion Corporation. Did you read it ? Did you notice the names of Farnsworth Jr and his son Farnsworth III ? Seems they were spliting the commissions from the sales of some land. The reason worth mentioning it here is that the same family has large holdings in Nightmare Villa. Humm, could it be ---- ? Read the article and follow the trail of the lawyers, CPA's and the good old boys, it will give you some insight in how they think and work. Mighty interesting !
R Dorothy Responds. I have been reading a similar story in The San Diego Mirror...about a bunch of Property Management companies and six HOA attorneys...PM set up homes to be foreclosed...HOA attorneys lien and foreclose. Another attorney then buys the property at auction, acting as a blind Limited Partnership deal, resells it and splits the proceeds with the PM, and the HOA attorney.
The Attorney General has empaneled a Grand Jury and filed charges against the whole bunch. Reckon that's what's going on in the report above? Dorothy7
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 02:06 pm |
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OH COME ON BABEL BILLE,
YOUR RECORD IS ONE BIG LIE AND CHEAT AND TALKING OUT OF ONE SIDE OF YOUR MOUTH AND DOING ANOTHER. TALK ABOUT BACK STABING, YOUR THE BEST OF THE LOT.
PARTY ON DUDES
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 02:04 pm |
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Dorothy7: you wrote::: The point is that all your sneaking and lying and stealing has gone for naught.
If you were a fair and balanced writer you won't write in such general terms. " you sneaking, you lying, you stealing. When you are talking about me you should be honest! You don't even know me, otherwise you would know I don't sneak, lie or steal!
Of course it serves your purpose to generalize everything so the distortions are more broad and covers everyone that disagees with you!
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 02:03 pm |
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As usual, Bable Bille, babels on and on and on and nothing of any form of intelligence crosses her blogs. She loves the bingo, the pot lucks and the special shows. Speaking of that. on the website I posted yesterday, I found the tax returns for 2004 filed by the Club. Did you know they took an exspense deduction of $138,00.00 that year for costs of entertainment? Now that is a lot of Dakota Willie and sing a longs. Don' t believe me, go look for yourself, it is free. Lots of interesting stuff on the internet.
PARTY ON DUDES
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 02:24 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Dororthy7: So the % of dues paying voluntary members was less than 1/2 then also. What was your point??????????? Dorothy responds: The point is that all your sneaking and lying and stealing has gone for naught. We are no better off now paying a scoundrel of an attorney to lien your neighbor's property, and contest numberous lawsuits than you were with totally voluntary members paying because they wanted to.
The only person making anything off this scam is the lawyer.
Wake up!!
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| Dororthy7: So the % of dues paying voluntary members was less than 1/2 then also. What was your point???????????
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Gee, there was a mighty interesting article in the paper today about the Mathion Corporation. Did you read it ? Did you notice the names of Farnsworth Jr and his son Farnsworth III ? Seems they were spliting the commissions from the sales of some land. The reason worth mentioning it here is that the same family has large holdings in Nightmare Villa. Humm, could it be ---- ? Read the article and follow the trail of the lawyers, CPA's and the good old boys, it will give you some insight in how they think and work. Mighty interesting !
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 11:11 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: You said ::: Janet Massey reported that less than half the lot owners in the "voluntary sections" are now paying dues.
Hasn't it always been less than half of the lot owners paying dues? What was Club membership in 2000? Dorothy responds: I cannot remember that membership was reported in 2,000. However; in 2001 we claimed over 3,000 members including those who were residents in Farnsworth Rentals. The numbers of lots represented in that count is deceptive because we counted 60% of lots as having two members per lot. So, even though there are 2,684 lots, less than half were paying dues in 2,001. There are 574 rental units for which Farnsworths pay dues en bloc...whether or not they ever use the facilities or attend meetings. These people are not supposed to be allowed to vote on such things as amendments to our governing documents.... You do the math. It's apparent that the club survives financially on the dues they are extorting from the four largest sections in DV. Those people are taking it in the shorts...providing the operating costs for the club, the maintenance and repairs, and now paying for their attorney to keep them court. All, on the sneak. What a nightmare this has become for all of us.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 02:17 pm |
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Bable Billie.,
Good question, does the club even know the members in 2000? Some of the past candidates for Board of Directors, asked for a list of members to make a mailing and they were told that no membership list existed. Must be a 5 x 9 card system in a shoe box in the office? Then an attempt was made to create a membership list to back up some election that came under fire during one of the attorney run meetings, you know like the one where he produced " work product " that was sealed and could only be opened by the court. Have you ever noticed when a letter comes from the Club it is addressed " Resident"? And when they served the Merry Christmas summons' they even served them on the wrong people, some of whom were not the property owners. Is it possible you guys don't even know who lives where in Nightmare Villa ? Your phone book is a prime example of that!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 02:08 pm |
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Dorothy7: You said ::: Janet Massey reported that less than half the lot owners in the "voluntary sections" are now paying dues.
Hasn't it always been less than half of the lot owners paying dues? What was Club membership in 2000?
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 12:09 pm |
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Dear Readers: The DVman and R &C have nailed it!. Waste lots of time and space belly-aching about a straw dog and ignore the elephant dung in the middle of your living room!
Back to what I believe is a serious issue.
Janet Massey reported that less than half the lot owners in the "voluntary sections" are now paying dues.
Think about all the BS the Board and their gas bag attorney has spouted about the "overwhelming majority" who long for mandatory membership in an HOA.
Seems that left to their own devices, that is to say GIVEN A CHOICE way less than half the residents and homeowners in DV have any desire to belong to club...whether mandatory or not.
Now we know why they won't send out copies of SADR along with a ballot and ask those who wish to relinquish their homestead exemption, risk fines, liens and foreclosure by these amateur tyrants...petty little spite-masters all...who rejoice when one of their members in dissent falls ill...who take advantage of a neighbor who is surviving on dialysis...by hauling him into court to defend against a lien for $92.oo after sneaking around and filing an interest on his property without his knowledge or consent, or even allowing him to vote on the matter.
Who use their member's dues to propagandize and lie about what their doing to everyone in their member's bulletin. They view it like their lawyer. We all pay for him, but he only represents the interests of the board. Your dues are paying for the Citizen too, but you have no access to its content.
That in a development with 4,400 owners of property less than 400 elected representatives for all of us? Who are sitting over there in Read Hall day after dreary day wondering how they are going to get new rules put in place with which to persecute Vicki and myself?
Their last try, they couldn't muster a quorum...which is a disgracefully low 100 of 4,400 owners...53 showed up...of that number nearly 30 are board members and their spouses...or ex board members who get appointed to any vacancy that occurs again and again. This club has become utterly morally bankrupt. It no longer represents anyone but a tiny little gaggle of wanna be country clubbers who don't want to have to pay for their entertainment.
No, they will not conduct open elections...I have repeatedly asked how many "absentee ballots" they counted in this past election. These ballots are forbidden in the voluntary sections because the legal authority to count Absentee ballots resides in SADR to which the majority of Sections is not subject.
The majority of DV is not mandatory members of the club. They haven't had a majority to change the club's governing documents, nor to inflict harm, and relentless harassment on those who point out their lack of authority to threaten DV homeowners. Dorothy
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I was talking with a friend from Sunland Village, another Farnsworth development, and they were explaining about the problem of having an honest election for board and president. Does that sound familiar? Anyway, they found out for a nominal amount , the Maricopa County would come and oversee the elections with get this, pre numbered ballotts, sealed voting boxes and an independant auditing firm to tabulate the votes. That takes all the couption out of the voting process and insures the residents get a fair shake. I have it on tape that the Nightmare Villa has never used pre numbered ballotts, that would make it to hard to mess with. So if they dare, why don't they look into an honest election next year? Bet they won't.
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So Babel Billie is the manager of the club now. What does that mean? Do they need someone to manage the properties ? The common areas are pretty small now, but what about the future? Lets see. A golf course, some apartments that can be turned into exspensive condos along the golf course. But wait, they need a new clubhouse to compete with the condos Bille T was against being built . Remember the zoning meeting she went to at the city of Mesa and tried to stop them? Anyhow, it is starting to make sense, New club house, golf course. Condos. Money , Money, Money. And who stands to make all this money?
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I think with Dorothy's help we can figure out who Bable on and on is? Not that it really matters, but it would be nice to know man or woman. The part about not being on the board was a lie. So Dorothy, who was at the hearing at Justice Court? How many women, we know Billie T was there, and how many men, we know Mr Mortwaski was there and the rest that huddled up with their attorney. Can't be that many. Just think one of them is Babel On and On. Oh my gosh could it be Bille T ? Hummmmm Old law and order soon to be the property manager or allready is. How much is Farnsworth paying you for that ?
PARTY ON DUDES
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Soon to be April 1st, how are you betting that the funny paper Citizen will not publish the financials? Two free tickets to Dakota Kid? A free steak dinner at John's Villa Resteraunt ? Or a free fish fry on Friday. Maybe that is what stinks ? Nightmare Villa.
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alasbabylon wrote: R: I recieved a TAX REFUND from the IRS this year. It appears I paid to much in last year! I may have to send in an ammended form because I forgot a deduction. Is it a refund or a PAY OFF?
Beep BEEEEEPP! sorry!
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Alas, What? You need more than a battery dear. Dorothy7
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R: I recieved a TAX REFUND from the IRS this year. It appears I paid to much in last year! I may have to send in an ammended form because I forgot a deduction. Is it a refund or a PAY OFF?
Beep BEEEEEPP! sorry!
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Well...now...we are getting close to the scent of a board member here. Let it slip right out of your fingertips didn't you?
What fun!!!
Now, WHO IS THIS WEEK'S TREASURER? Could it be P.W.? N.C.? Or good old happy Jaba? Now we know...call fumigator...QUICK!!! HA. Dorothy7
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Taxes ??? As in refunds or pay back? So we can look foreward to the real numbers next month? Hummmm Better check your battery truth detector guy.
BEPEPEPE BPEPEPPEP BEEEPEPPE
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R: what is missing in your comment is the truth... printed it the Citizen it explains
"the financial numbers are not available because the auditor is calculating year- end adjustments for depreciation and taxes.
Answering your question why there wasn't one! "
The report did give aprox figures of income & expenses to help understand about where the finances were! It will be made available as soon as the treasurer get it!
Beep! Beep! Beep!
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DID YOU NOTICE WHAT IS MISSING FROM THE MARCH CITIZEN? THE FINANCIAL REPORTS. GUESS THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HAVE EXTORTED FROM THE COMMUNITY ?
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NIGHTMARE VILLA IS NOT AN HOA !
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The vote for yes VOTE was only 50 votes more than the no vote...that is not a mandate........A lot of people will be dead before they can enjoy it...BUT...the builders in here love it...Buy up property cheap...Tear out the mobile homes and build stick houses...ESP on the golf course....With a new building...and promised activities...GUESS WHAT? they will have to hire an Activity Director...more FEE $$$$$
Why do we (the home owners) need to build a restaurant? No one eats in the one we have now...It changes managers every year or so...I heard they want to bring in their own chef/cook...but what about the summer? In fact I have never eaten in it, and I've been here for over 20 years...I go to Bob's Villa...love the fish...more homey....
Guess this is the way of the future....HOA's are great when they protect everyone's well being...BUT the Golfers are the ones to make out..they get a new building..a new bar...and only about 1/3 of the 1400 home owners are golfers...But we all get stuck with the bill...People who only come here fore the winter are bragging about what wonderful facilities they will have..Parties. etc...BUT what about the year long residents? Will we have a JULY 4TH PARTY? OR AVTIVITIES IN THE SUMMER? or all the goodies only for the winter guests?
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Can you believe it ? Those property owners in Apache Wells voted yesterday to build the 8 million plus dollars club house for the Country Club? Now they can pay 50.00 bucks a month for how long? Gee that is so nice and we wish them well. Now, think about this, you are one meeting and one board decision away from a five story ceramics club in Nightmare Villa. Wouldn't it look nice on University ? They can do it, they have the power unless we all stop them. How much would that assesment be per homein Nightmare Villa? Fifty, a hundred, five hundred? Makes a sewer look cheap.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17th, 2007 01:11 am |
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CAN YOU BELIEVE IT ? BILLIE T AS NIGHTMARE VILLA MANAGER? IS THAT A PAID POSITION ? BET IT IS. NO WONDER SHE RESIGNED, NOW IT ALL MAKE SENSE. SHE CAN HIRE WHOEVER AND PAY THEM WHATEVER AND BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN. THE GOOD OLD BOY AND GIRL NETWORK IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE BILLIE T VILLA. MANAGER !! NOW DON'T YOU JUST WONDER ? WE DO.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16th, 2007 04:24 am |
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Police widen HOA probe
Sarah Muench
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 15, 2007 12:00 AM
Chandler police have widened the scope of a fraud investigation into an HOA management company, alleging Wednesday that hundreds of thousands more dollars than previously believed are involved.
More associations also may have been victimized than first thought, meaning homeowners in a dozen or more HOAs could see higher fees or service cuts as they struggle to make up the shortfall.
Chandler police said they believe Timothy Lee Reedy, 56, stole $500,000 and cheated at least a dozen HOAs. Reedy owns the Chandler-based Reedy Group, which manages more than 20 homeowners associations across the Valley.
"It has exceeded well above the initial dollar amount and it's still continuing," said Sgt. Rick Griner, a Chandler police spokesman.
Reedy could not be reached for comment Wednesday.
Police arrested Reedy on Jan. 18 at his downtown Chandler office, 58 W. Buffalo St., on suspicion of fraud and stealing $145,000. But now that amount has more than tripled, according to detectives.
"These type of crimes have a lot of trails, a lot of follow up to do and a lot of files to go through," Griner said. "That's how we have discovered it went up."
Griner also said tips came in after the story became public.
"After this hit the media I was inundated with phone calls from HOAs," Griner said. "I probably fielded 20-plus calls, just wondering if they were part of this or not."
Reedy is not currently in custody and in a previous interview denied the allegations. .
At an HOA meeting this week, former Gilbert Mayor Cynthia Dunham listened to Chandler police inform homeowners that the management company for her Wind Drift HOA allegedly stole between $100,000 and $200,000.
As founder of the East Valley-based Leadership Centre, an organization that educates people on homeowner associations, Dunham said HOAs need to do more to protect themselves from unethical management companies.
"The days of just getting references and checking memberships is gone," said Dunham, who is sharing her HOA's hard lesson through the center. "Our treasurer is now getting a copy of all bank statements and verifying account information with the bank."
Dunham said homeowners were told that Reedy was bonded but he canceled his insurance policy last year.
"It's no fun to be told you're the victim of a crime, but (homeowners) supported the board and their ongoing efforts to find out what happened," Dunham said.
In 1989, Reedy was convicted of the sale of unregistered securities, a Class 4 felony, and theft. He was sentenced to probation, which he violated, and a judge revoked his civil rights, court records show. He spent 18 months in state prison for the probation violation, according to court documents.
After his prison term, a judge reinstated his civil rights and expunged his conviction.
Reporter Dianna M. Náñez contributed to this article.
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DreamlandMan
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Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2007 10:37 pm |
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East Mesa Independent Speak Out 2/13/07
{HOA SCANDALS:} More and more homeowner association management scandals and we are among the growing number of homeowners who see management becoming just another boondoggle scam of our personal funds. Are you?
{HOA ABUSE:} Dreamland Villa, Sunland Village, Apache Wells, Alta Mesa, Verde Green. Are you beginning to get the picture of HOA abuse? Speak up or pay up. It’s your home. Not theirs. HOAs are rip-offs. Do something about it.
{HOA MANAGEMENT:} Thanks to the Internet, did you know some homeowner association management companies’ origins can be traced back to the old-fashioned protection companies of “eras/errors” of the past? Look it up. And then do something about your mismanagement.
East Mesa Independent Speak Out 2/6/07
{DREAMLAND VILLA:} I’m a citizen of Dreamland Villa and I want to thank the gentleman for the nice article he wrote into letters. He hit the nail right on the head. If I were a member of the board of directors, I would heed very sharply his recommendation – get off the board and get rid of the lawyer.
East Mesa Independent Speak Out 1/30/07
{KICKED OFF OF DV CLUB:} So let me get this right: if I cost the club money or trouble, I can get kicked out of the mandatory Club I don't even want to be a part of anyway? Is that it? Then by all means, kick me out. That would solve everything. Change your bylaws, vote on whatever, but kick me out. And in the process, take the two documents off my property that you filed -- the second amended declarations, SADR, and the attorney’s exclusivity to collect all debts and legal actions -- a blank check for him. That would be wonderful. Expel us, get rid of us, kick us off with a vote and a stroke of your poison pens. Could this all possibly be against the law?
East Mesa Independent Speak Out 1/16/07
{DREAMLAND VILLA HAS BEGUN TRANSITION:} The process of converting Dreamland Villa into a fully operational homeowners association has started. Property management companies reap huge profits for themselves and HOA boards through senseless fines levied against homeowners. Tell your DVCC board members and their lawyer to immediately stop their out of control actions and secretive agenda.
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DreamlandMan
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Posted: Sat Feb 10th, 2007 05:34 pm |
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ITEM: MANDATORY CLUB MEMBERSHIP
TO GET A CLEARER IDEA OF DVCC INTENTIONS AND ACTIONS PLEASE READ BELOW.......
Homeowners' Associations -
Voluntary or Mandatory?
By Jan Bergemann ( 6 - 5 - 2002 )
Florida - We have here in Florida still quite a lot of so-called Civic Associations or Voluntary Homeowners' Associations. They were mostly created in the 70's and 80's before the industry and the legislators realized what a great money-making business mandatory homeowners' associations really are. Quite a lot of the homeowners living in these voluntary associations have been happy until in recent times, when some busy-bodies felt that it was time for changes.
Homeowners complained recently that they received letters from "their" board, claiming that the former voluntary association has been changed into a mandatory association, new deed restriction have been established and please pay your dues immediately.
In a second and third letter threats of liens, foreclosures etc. have been added to these demands.
And all under the cover of a "majority" vote.
And don't even consider joining this "Mandatory Club"! Many homeowners living in mandated properties would only be too happy to be able to get away from them. Many law-suits all over the nation are proof of all the existing problems. It seems very obvious that this program has failed the homeowners badly and is only staying alive because the industry is fighting like crazy not to lose their valuable cash cow.
And in regards of mandatory homeowners' associations raising property values?
Don't fall for this industry fairy tale! There are many examples which render this claim absolutely false! And in case of a planned resale the title companies' search will reveal that your property belongs to a mandatory HOA. And since more and more home buyers realize what HOAs are all about, it may even hamper your resale intentions.
So, don't let these busy-bodies talk you into joining their new "invention". The day you regret it may be sooner than you think.
Keep the freedom our nation was built upon, and value your independent property rights. Our government already is watching your actions, don't let a group of busy-bodies, unregulated and often power-hungry, create a dictatorship in your neighborhood!
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DreamlandMan
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Posted: Thu Feb 8th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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Last edited on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 10:37 am by DreamlandMan
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Posted: Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 12:28 pm |
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Boy Howdy, did you read Ms Tibbits letter to the editor this AM? She really takes a shot an concerned citizens. We are not going to degnify her article with an answer, she is so far off base it is pathetic. Those we have helped know the truth, those we have been the spoke person for know the truth, and now the big footsteps are coming from Central Ave in Phoenix and they all are going to have to answer for their past actions against this community and it's residents. Amen
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Posted: Sat Jan 27th, 2007 02:41 pm |
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Have you ever gone on the internet and found out the definition of a non profit club? You should, there are seven things that have to be met to be considered non profit. One is interesting, at the end of the year the non profit coporation will give back any excess funds they have collected and not used to the members of the corporation. Hummm does that mean the money in the bank doesn't qualify ? Just a thought.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 01:10 am |
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I think we know now what the "orientation" sessions Mr. Maxwell was having with the new Boards was all about. Can you believe that he has told them to remain silent and they are unwilling to ask why? If they've done nothing wrong, and their activities are, as the Tribune advised, "transparent" why would their position have to remain secret?
If any one of us who have had our property titles clouded by the attachment of a wholey new and different declaration without our knowledge or consent, were allowed to sit on the Board, I suspect that the view of the entire Board would have changed long ago. As it is, they must swear an oath of fielty to SADR, and are told that they will be subject to lawsuits if they speak, or listen to anyone in opposition.
The letter to the Tribune is great! I have responded to Mr. Shirey. Dorothy7
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Posted: Sun Jan 21st, 2007 05:31 pm |
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Did you read Ralph Shirley's letter to the editor in the Tribune on Sunday ? This is the reason so many believe the Club has done nothing wrong in forcing mandatory membership on us. This is why they sent out summons to appear and show cause why the Club should not be paid the debt they claim is owed to them. This is why the whole deal will be decided by the court once and for all. Then we wonder how Mr Shiley will answer in the perspective ? Hummm.
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