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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:25 am |
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apache1010 wrote:
Good Lord...shades of Macbeth and his Three Witches
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.
Now I’m certain you are paranoid! What “Secret Meeting” would you be referring to? Was it the “Secret Meeting” being held with the door wide open to Billie’s office that Dorothy J. walked into without the courtesy of knocking first?
Maybe it was the “Secret Meeting” with Nancy Cole, Chairperson of the Entertainment Committee, Tana Ullman the DVCC Board Treasurer, Harry Cole that is NOT a DVCC Board member but assists the Entertainment Committee, and Jim Cook, The DVCC Parliamentarian and also NOT a DVCC Board member and last, Billie Tapparo the DVCC President (after all it was her office so I assume she had a right to be there).
Maybe this was the “Secret Meeting” that Dorothy J. witnessed.
I suggest you get a better source for your “Insider Intelligence” and put the correct “spin” on what is told you.
I’m sure that if I’ve erred, you will be quick to point that out…meanwhile, I’ll just consider your judgment about “Secret Meetings” terribly flawed!
John Carpenter
Citizen, DV 1988
Ron & Cathy Ehninger wrote:
Well Guess What ?
The good old boys and girls at the Dreamland Villa Board are at it again! Does that surprise anyone ? NOT. Yet another secret meeting yesterday without any notice and someone walked in and caught them in the act. Now if I were a member and I am so thankfull I am not, I would be furious that they the board, are so blantantly desrecarding the rules and bylaws of their own club. What the heck are they so afraid of? Could it be annexation ? Could it be they are forcing people to pay them money they are not entitled to? Could it be they are violating so many laws and rules that they know in their black hearts that the day of pay back is coming soon ? We can only hope so, that they have the sense that God gave a green apple and STOP this nonsense ! We are not like sheep to be led to the slaughter and we are not so un aware that we don't know what they are pulling. STOP IT !!!!!!!!!! Did the artilce on annexation cause all this ? Hummmmm? Here is a thought, lets have an election and send to every property owner of record a ballot to be returned to an accounting firm, not the CLUB, and let everyone vote, Yes or No for annexation and then have for the first time since we have lived here, an honest vote that can't be messed with. If you, the wonderful Board of Directors, are brave enough, we challange you to do it !!!!!!!!!
R&C I must have missed this John. At no time did I allege I walked in on a secret meeting. I asked Billie Taparro at what time had the board voted to oppose annexation.
She responded that it was probably polled members by phone...at that time, I told her that the statutes forbade the board to act on anything electronically or telephonically...and that to announce 0pposition they must convene a meeting, and vote on that proposition...OK?
What has become of you? I miss hearing from you...Dorothy7
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:18 am |
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| Reopening an old case??? The Superior Court website has some interesting info this week. Check out Dreamland Villa...Dorothy7
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 12:27 pm |
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R & C
The CLUB is made up of over 2300 members, neighbors that some get to know their neighbors, watch their property's , call on them, go out to dinner together, help with projects, take them to the Dr's, take them to the airport, share favorite places, help with yard work, share grand childrens photos, exercise together, enjoy golf and bowling together, enjoy hobbies together Etc! They choose the activities and the friends that best meet their needs.
There is probably more volunteer help hours per month put in by CLUB members then most working people work in six months.
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Ron & Cathy Ehninger
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:57 pm |
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OK AVERYMMMATTT ,
NAME ONE THING THE CLUB HAS DONE FOR MY NINTY YEAR OLD WIDOW NEIGHBOR? ONE THING, BESIDE SERVE HER WITH A SUMMONS LAST YEAR ONE DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND SCARE HER OUT OF HER WITS. HOW MANY HELPING HANDS HAS THE CLUB DONE FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS, BESIDES SEND OUT THREATENING LETTERS TO CLEAN UP YOUR YARD AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. LIKE THEY REALLY ARE A ROLE MODEL!! NAME ONE RIDE THEY HAVE GIVEN TO A SICK PERSON TO GET TO THE DOCTOR OR HOSPITAL, BESIDE THE HELP SERVICE BLOOD PRESSURE CHECK AND AN OCCASIONAL BED PAD LOAN. OH YOU WHO BELIEVE THE CLUB HAS THE BEST INSTEREST OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE SO DECEIVED! THEY ONLY WANT POWER AND GREED AND MONEY SO WHY DO YOU THINK I SHOULD SUPPORT THAT ? IT IS CRAZY
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Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 12:06 pm |
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R & C
As long as you print the same old tired negative comments about a community that you have no interest in supporting, I will reply with the facts and positive things about the Community that I chose to live, retire in and enjoy my friends and neighbors!
Sorry!
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 11:13 pm |
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SAME TIRED ANSWERE POSTED MULTIPLE TIMES, COME ON AVERYMATTY YOU ARE NOT EVEN FUN ANYMORE.
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| I wonder what the fact "59% of the non mandatory sections residents paid their 2008 dues means." ? Wow! It must mean that people move to and live in Dreamland Villa because it is a great place to live. It could mean the neighbors and area is what they want. Can you imagine that! People enjoying a 55+ community with all of the facilities, friendly people, close to all the medical faclities, shopping centers, etc! Has everything a person needs.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 05:00 am |
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WELL IT HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET ABOUT THE ELECTION FOR NEW BOARD MEMBERS. ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS VOTED ? ANYBODY KNOW ? BUT THEN AGAIN DEMOCRACY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN NIGHTMARE VILLA JUST AS LONG AS YOU PLAY THE GAME BY THEIR RULES. YOU KNOW LIKE NOW IF THEY DON'T HAVE A QUORAM OF 100 FOR A MEETING THEY JUST WAIT ONE DAY AND HOLD IT AGAIN AND NOW VIOLA, A QUORAM IS NOW FIFTY, IF THEY DON'T GET FIFTY FOLKS OUT THEN THE NEXT DAY SAME MEETING, SAME ISSUES THE QUORAM IS 25 AND SO ON. HOW IS THE WORKING IN JULY AND AUGUST ? MIGHTY SLICK, FOR THEM. BUT THEN AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES THEY JUST NOMINATE, SECOND AND VOTE THEM IN ANYWAY.
PARTY ON DUDES
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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 11:43 am |
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Her article was in response to the article the week prior that had R & C's, Dorothy's, Vicki's and Petra's stories! In fairness to the community both sides of the issue have now been published!
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Well Folks, did you read the article in the Independant today written by the Nightmare Villa Club President ? Her idea about democracy being alive and well in the Villa, how do you all respond to that? She claims we are the small voice of opposition and a handful compared to the majority. We are going to huddle with the others named by name in her article to see if the Independant will give us the same column inches to respond to her obvious attempt to impale us on her spear of democracy. Did you ever get a vote about an HOA in the Villa ? Humm think about just that. Dorothy and Vicki, can you get with us soon ?
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Dear R &C. You mean like refusing the dues of a 97 year old lady who has never, by word or deed given the club any reason to write REJECTED across the envelope in which she had placed a check for her dues?
Like asking to use the original of a letter appointing a representative by a member to make a copy; then refusing to return it? Or a copy?
This board has become an embarassment to the members and would be members. Who needs this kind of grief?
The poor member who had appointed a representative, (as per the Statute) had surgery that day and was supposed to stay in bed, but they refused to honor the note until they called him and tried to claim that he was assuming a risk for unspecified damages if he appointed a representative they did not like? Is that what you mean?
Or, is it the high-handed unlawful expulsions they attempted? Need I go on? Dorothy7.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 11:36 pm |
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KNOW WHAT BUGS ME ?
THE WAY YOU ARE TREATED AT THE OFFICE OF NIGHTMARE VILLA. WHAT A JOKE THANKS STAFF FOR BEING RUDE, NON CARING AND SLOW TO GRASP THE PULSE OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
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Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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averymatte wrote: Dorothy
Rock pusher???
Dorothy
" Our law suit" as you put it cost the Club nothing? Isn't that like saying pushing the first rock down the hill didn't start the landslide? Enablers are sometimes as much a part of the issue as the participants! Along with insurance rates going up ( we know why ) and encouragement by your group the issue went the direction it did!
Avery: Let me see if I can follow your tortured logic. We are "two or three disgruntled people who don't agree with the actions of the board" or we are rock pushers on a pile of disgruntled folks (rocks) chomping at the bit to defend themselves from a lawsuit filed by the Board....thereby creating a landslide?
Well, how do you account for the fact that the Board filed a landslide of lawsuits against their neighbors...not the other way round?
Who, among the board pushed the rock down the hill that resulted in a landslide of lawsuits? Wasn't us.
Now, the Board has paid $80,000.00 (nearly) $77,994.08 to be exact in '07 alone, and God knows how much beginning in '02...
Yes Avery it is true, our lawsuit cost the club nothing...nada...zip. The insurance paid for their attorneys...what happened this time? (If they had a private agreement to pay their attorney for some reason they didn't have to they chose to)
By the way, who will pay for their appeals?
Won't be me. Dorothy7
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Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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Dorothy
Rock pusher???
Dorothy
" Our law suit" as you put it cost the Club nothing? Isn't that like saying pushing the first rock down the hill didn't start the landslide? Enablers are sometimes as much a part of the issue as the participants! Along with insurance rates going up ( we know why ) and encouragement by your group the issue went the direction it did!
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Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 02:32 pm |
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averymatte wrote: Who is the WE in " WE ONLY ANSWERED THE SUMMONS. CHEW ON THAT." ???
maybe a rock pusher! What's with the no response to the Board's "corrections" re: the lady drowning in the motel pool? They get to "correct" without response? What's a rock pusher? You lost me on the exchange! Dorothy7
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Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 12:56 pm |
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Who is the WE in " WE ONLY ANSWERED THE SUMMONS. CHEW ON THAT." ???
maybe a rock pusher!
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Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 12:40 pm |
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DVCC BOARD MEMBER,
HERE IS ANOTHER FACT, THE CLUB ISSUED THE CALL TO COURT TO DEFEND THEIR PROPERTY LAST CHRISTMAS NOT ANY GROUP OF CITIZENS. WE ONLY ANSWERED THE SUMMONS. CHEW ON THAT.
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Readers Dorothy entered;
Tues Nov 27th, 2007 7:28am
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I forgot to add...Klump? Klump? Klump? What's that? Nazi jack boots? Jaws? A lawyer who has found a legal way to assinate old, or disabled people and take their homes? Dorothy 7.
PS. Got an interesting case off the internet Court site, of a disabled lady...dead by drowning in a Motel pool where she was living after Maxwell foreclosed on her home and sold it. What became of her equity? Hmmm? How long are you going to put up with this? Her name is Sabina Prioletta...(cv2005-091703) Look it up
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The Board felt it was important to respond to her attempt to decieve! The delay was to research the facts.
Fact: " Miss Prioletta did not lose her property - she paid the judgment amount and the suit was dismissed in 7/06 "
Another fact that was not mentioned " the case has nothing to do with the DVCC community "!
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Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 03:21 pm |
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Well now we can hardly wait until the next Citizen and some more funny papers. Meanwhile clean off your magnifying glasses to read the small print on the financials. Now that is better than Charlie Brown.
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NO BABEL ON AND ON ???
GUESS WE HAVE TO GO ON WITHOUT HIM OR HER ? WELL, THE DUES ARE UP TO 100 BUCKS PER PERSON AND THE CLUB IS BROKE, WHAT ELSE IS NEW ? OH THE LATEST EDITION OF THE CITIZEN POSTED LEGALS FEES OVER 69,000 DOLLARS YEAR TO DATE. NOW THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE DOESN'T IT ? BUT THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.
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NO BABEL ON AND ON ???
GUESS WE HAVE TO GO ON WITHOUT HIM OR HER ? WELL, THE DUES ARE UP TO 100 BUCKS PER PERSON AND THE CLUB IS BROKE, WHAT ELSE IS NEW ? OH THE LATEST EDITION OF THE CITIZEN POSTED LEGALS FEES OVER 69,000 DOLLARS YEAR TO DATE. NOW THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE DOESN'T IT ? BUT THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.
HOG WASH
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HEY BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
YOU STILL OUT THERE ? WHAT IS UP IN YOUR BINGO, POT LUCK WORLD.?
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To our 'Senior Leadership Council'
... for fighting for our property rights...we WILL have a party...ct
-manny thanks to you!
I, for one am very proud, & thankful for what 'you' are doing...having been involved with a similiar type of case, I know that we(and YES, I mean ALL of us)can never re-pay you-all for the time, aggravation, stress, costs & leadership that you have shown...& given us...I am sure that I am not the 'biggest' man in this park, but I assure you that I am more than willing to do ALL that I can to help pay 'you' back for your efforts...& will stand up for your group at anytime that is necessary...ct
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WE HAD A MEETING AT THE LIBRARY ON SATURDAY AND HAD SOME TIME WITH THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE THIRTY OR SO HOMEOWNERS IN DREAMLAND VILLA THAT WAS SUMMONS SERVED TO PAY THE DUES AND FINES AND INTEREST AND ATTORNEY FEES ETC ETC ETC
ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I AM PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS GROUP AND THE COURAGE AND DETERMINATION THEY DISPLAYED AT THE MEETING. THIS GROUP WILL MAKE LEGAL HISTORY IN ARIZONA TO THE BENEFIT OF A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS DEALING WITH HOA BOARDS AND THEIR NO CONCIOUS GROUP OF LEGAL BEGALS.
CAN'T SAY MUCH ELSE AT THIS TIME BUT STAYED TUNED. SOMEONE ASKED " WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU "? THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE
FIGHT THE JERKS THAT ARE TRYING TO STEAL OUR PROPERTIES.!!!!!!!
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Regarding the future of DV Golf Course, I say keep the Golf Course but bull doze Dreamland Villa Community Club Buildings, except for the swimming pools. They should be filled with mountain fresh spring water (what a change from the present water) and stocked with rainbow trout during the winter months. A fishing limit of four trout a day per resident could be the rule.
Hey, it beats the hell out of seeing The Dakota Kid and The Dreamland Villa Community Club Talent(?) Show again.
By the way, Mesa Regal RV Resort has The Smothers Brothers coming for two shows in January.
Now, THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!
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| My 'extensive legal background' tells me that there is pending litigation, & the Realtors should NOT give a blanket statement when at the bare minimum there is at least one area that does not/will not have HOA restrictions at this time, and with many, many more in the 'near future'...ct
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I had a surprise today...kind of a lazy, 'fishing' on the computer, kind of day...ran across 2 ladies, who work @ Farnsworth-Hicks, answered my 'search' for property for sale in DLVV('Just nosey')...I did not pick out any specific area...just in general...
They both listed DLVV as a 'H.O.A.' district, with mandatory dues...without segregating any of the 'areas'...Did I miss some info from the court???, or are they just on one side of this issue? It might be why there are so many properties are for sale here...they have to find a potential buyer that for some reason...
1-Has more money than sense;
2-has NEVER in their life ever 'heard' of an HOA;
3-or is just plain damn stupid...
But, as I WILL NOT live 'under' an HOA, I need to find out so I can get my house up for sale...as early in the 'RUSH' as I can... as property values will fall...and as I will not 'pay' for anybody else's misery, I sure won't pay for my own...ct
Realtors...
Sandra Arklund...arklund2@msn.com
Anna Kunde...annakunde@yahoo.com
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| Ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..."it's a secret!...ct
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| Dreamland man is right! No one reads that silly club bulletin, except the club and its cronies...it is a free tabloid that blows all over the street. Dorothy
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If all Dreamland Villa residents were to be polled and asked: Who is the current DVCC president?
The outcome would be, at the very least, 85% not knowing.
I'm sure the results would be, again, at the very least, much the same (85%-15%) if all Dreamland Villa residents were asked to name a current board member.
That's what makes the dishonest actions of DVCC board members (past and present) even more appalling. These people, pathetic as they are, comprise a small clan who have transformed themselves into self-annointed GODS.
They rule their kingdom through deception, secrecy and greed. Through their eyes, the many nice people living in Dreamland Villa are not valued as good neighbors, but as sources of income (forced) to fund their kingdom's playground (DVCC).
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
I WOULD EXPLAIN IT TO YOU BUT YOU ARE SO FAR INTO DENIAL YOU WOULDN'T GET IT. THINK ABOUT THIS, DID THE CLIPBOARD BRIGADE REALLY TELL EVERYONE THEY WERE SIGNING FOR AN HOA AND MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP. NO!!!!! THEY DID NOT AND WE CAN PROVE THAT. DID EVERYONE GET A COPY OF THE CCR'S THAT THEY WERE AGREEING TO, HELL NO!! SO BABEL YOU MISS THE MARK AGAIN WITH YOUR HAPPY LIVING IN NIGHTMARE VILLA GOING TO THE BINGO GAME AND THE POT LUCK CRAP! NO WE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD, JUST THIS NIGHTMARE WORLD YOU AND YOUR CLUB HAVE CREATED.
PARTY ON DUDES
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Dear Alas:
1. The amount presented to the board for the camera, monitor and installation by the maintenance committee was $2,500/00+. That was the amount approved by the Board. Would you like to hear the tape? Where in the world did you get a figure of $300.00?
2. You had better recount the number of signatures filed...you are, once again WRONG! The majority of owners of the losts DID NOT vote to approve, and once again you are wrong about the whether the Board voted to approve Mandatory Membership and the Second Amended Declaration. Minutes of December 2003 Citizen, and the Minutes of the December 2002 Citizen...report that they did!
3. Please, Alas, before you deny and deny, you might petition the board to allow you to review and copy the club documents. Dorothy 7.
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GEE BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
YOU MUST HAVE FOUND THE BIG WEBSTER DICTIONARY AND WORKED ALL WEEKEND ON THE POSTING. EVEN THOUGH AS USUAL IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING THE WINTER VISITORS WILL SOON BE COMING BACK AND YOU ALL CAN BE HAPPY IN NIGHTMARE VILLA. 300 OR 3 THOUSAND, THE POINT YOU MISSED IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SECURITY CAMERA AT ALL. LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY, SECURITY. OK.? LET US KNOW IF YOU CAN WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. COULD IT BE SECURITY IN OWING PROPERTY IN NIGHTMARE VILLA? COULD IT BE HAVING OUR DEEDS RESTORED TO THE ORIGINAL? COULD IT BE TO STOP HAVING THE NON PROFIT SOCIAL CLUB RAMING THIS WHOLE MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP DOWN OUR THROATS? COULD BE!
BINGO ON DUDES
R
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Dear R & C. There is a word we all need to remember in this fracas...RECOVERY!!!
Those who can recover, will....those who are now permanently disabled by the callous disregard of their fragile health, or other circumstances...will never be made whole by these people on the board who should be banned from the club for life, (as menaces to the health and safety of community).
I shall return to claim my membership this month, and shall ask why they spent over 2,500.00 on a spy camera at the Read Hall Pool. And, why they passed a rule against utility trailers on the lots in Dreamland...knowing full well it cannot be enforced.
You really should sit in on a meeting over there with a large monitor displaying the spy camera's view of the pools. It is hilarious! It goes to the fence, to the back fence, to the side of building, to the fence. So far, not one soul was ever out there when we were watching the monitor. Who sits in there watching? What will they do if they find someone using sun screen? How do they know that those who may come to swim someday...have not applied sun screen at home????
This has got to be the legacy of this goofy board. A spy camera photographing an empty pool area...endlessly.
Party on...somewhere...sometime. It's all for you dear members. Dorothy7
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GOOD STUFF DOROTHY, DO YOU THINK BABEL CAN READ REAL SLOW AND GET OUT HIS DICTIONARY AND LOOK UP THE HARD WORDS AND MAYBE GET IT ? MAYBE? BUT WATCH, HE WILL COME BACK WITH SOME OFF THE WALL BUT WE DO BINGO AND STUFF AND HAVE POT LUCK DINNERS ANSWERS. WHAT A SAD DEAL THIS IS !
PARTY ON DUDES
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ALRIGHT ALAS, YOU ASKED FOR THIS, SO DON'T WHINE...OKAY?
AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING, jANUARY 13, 2004, AT WHICH THE BOARD AND MAXWELL CLAIMED AN "OVERWHELMING MAJORITY" HAD APPROVED....
1. THE CLUB WAS CLAIMING IN EXCESS OF 3,000 OWNER-MEMBERS WERE ELIGIBLE TO CAST A BALLOT.
2. EVEN AFTER REFUSING TO ALLOW THOSE WHO WANTED INSIDE TO VOTE "no" OR recind, THE FINAL TALLY WAS 700 IN FAVOR...( EVEN WITH MAXWELL ADDING 404 VOTES NOT CAST ),
3. EVEN AFTER ALL THAT CHICANERY, NO ONE EVER CLAIMED THAT A MAJORITY OF OWNERS (4,400) HAD APPROVED ANYTHING!
NO ONE. NOT EVER! DOROTHY7
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Ron & Cathy Ehninger
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COME ON BABEL ON AND ON,
YOUR LOGIC AND PERCENTAGES ARE BOGUS. IS THAT WHY THE JUDGE STOPPED THE APACHE WELLS DEAL? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF VOTES TO RAM THAT DEAL DOWN THE THROATS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ? I THINK SO! NOW THE QUESTION IS DOES THE SAME THING APPLY TO NIGHTMARE VILLA? I THINK SO! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE MISSED THE BOAT, AGAIN? SO BABEL ON AND ON ABOUT YOUR BELOVED CLUB AND IN THE MEAN TIME HANG ON TO YOUR HAT.
PARTY ON DUDES
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Mannny thanks for the update, Dorothy...I was begining to think that everyone had left the heat for the 'cool' country...& I was lucky enough to get back... for the heat...& by myself, I guess...I have been checking on the court procedings, but I take your opinion as much more valuble...the 'news'papers are still good enough...for the bottom of the birdcage, but they no longer have any 'reporters'...just 'editors'...
A question...what is your best 'guestimate' as to the time period of the DLV decisions...am VERRRY much interested in the outcome...am getting my house up to it's best, the 'for sale' signs printed, & my duds packed...just in case...
'NO HOA FOR ME!'...ct
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If, as is reported in the Tribune's coverage of the decision in the Apache Wells dispute, is accurate..(I have not yet seen a copy of the Judge's decision) we in opposition to the antics of the Board of Directors of DVCC should rejoice. If 644 votes in favor does not represent a majority of AW's 1,500 residents, then 296 yes votes of nearly 4,000 owners certainly does not represent a majority of owners in DV either!!
It seems to me that the judiciary is slowly resolving some of the most outrageous problems HOAs create for owners, but the legislature seems unable to get past the influence of the developers, property management firms, HOA lawyers, and HOA boards. Translation: "big campaign donations".
Pat Haruff, and her organization, CHORE have done yoeman service in this arena...but when the vote is called the committees in the Senate back away from restoring the Homestead Exemption to all owners of property in AZ, whether or not they are in an HOA.
Governor Nepalitano vetoed the most recent legislation that would have been a step in the right direction. I am told that the vote to approve in the Senate was 20 to 7, but there would be no move to override the veto this year. Hmmmm?
At this point in time, it seems to me that the legislature will have to restore the Homestead exemptions, and probably restrict HOAs ability to collect fines, attorney's fees, interest on fines, and to lien owner's property.
Mostly because these boards of "community volunteers" simply cannot be trusted to proceed within the rules and the law when they want to punish an owner...in our case, for disagreeing with the board, or attending meetings in which the owners wish to participate.
For example, the attempt to expel owners who have brought suit against an action of the Board. This is a denial of the rights all Americans have to petition the Courts for redress of grievances...In my opinion, the board has engaged in a willful conspiracy to conceal the terms of a contract they are now trying enforce. It is an outrageous violation of the law and owner's rights.
The recent rulings favoring Homeowner's by Superior Court Judges is very encouraging to those of us embroiled in these endless disputes with community clubs run amok. Dorothy7
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(The Arizona Republic)
Judge sets aside Apache Wells election
Art Thomason
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 23, 2007 05:33 PM
An election that divided an east Mesa golf course community over approval of an $8.5 million multipurpose center has been set aside by a Maricopa County Superior Court judge.
Judge Bethany Hicks ruled that the Feb. 20 tally was invalid because the 644 votes in favor of the facility fell short of representing the majority of all homeowners in Apache Wells. The community's homeowner association bylaws require such a majority, or at least 707 votes, the judge ruled.
Election results reflected only the majority opinion of the number of residents who cast ballots. Court records indicated that 594 votes were cast in opposition to the center.
Hicks' ruling also bars the homeowners association from collecting a special assessment of $6,020 from residents to pay for construction of the center to replace the community's 44-year-old clubhouse.
The ruling was based on a motion for summary judgment as part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of 93 homeowners. They organized as a group known as Save Apache Wells (SAW) and kept residents of the community informed on a Web site.
A message posted on the site Thursday by the homeowners association board of directors, said, "we apologize for any inconvenience that has been created by the collection of this fee. For you who have already sent in your assessment, your money will be returned as soon as possible. We want you to know that we appreciate your enthusiasm and dedication. Apache Wells will now have to decide on future direction and we of course will solicit your ideas and recommendations."
Gary Linder, a Phoenix attorney who represented the association, said Thursday that the HOA board hasn't determined whether it will appeal the ruling.
Residents on both sides of the issue said it has been a wedge in the community, prompting many residents, including old friends, to avoid one another.
There are 1,412 homes in the community, many of them mobile homes that wrap around an 18-hole golf course.
But Apache Wells has been in a transition since the late 1990s as a handful of small, independent builders recast the community into a subdivision of fashionable, single-family homes. As land values rose, homeowners moved depreciating trailers off their lots for conventional housing.
Bob Teague, a member of the SAW group, said that the community would eventually heal.
"We have nothing against the country club people and realize that the golf course is an asset to the community," he said. "It needs maintenance and some renovation and updating and we're willing to sit down and talk about that."
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Well the little guys won one !! I am talking about the Headline in todays Tribune about the Apache Wells. At last a judge tells the HOA board they can't do that!! Now maybe some of the other knotheads that are trying to force communities to their wishes and pay their bogus debts will pay attention. . It is going to be a very nice day today and especially in Apache Wells, they can throw away their bills for the new clubhouse. Hello anybody out there watching and listening ?
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