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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 04:44 am

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You claim all the Club would have had to do is

MAIL OUT COPIES OF THE SECOND AMENDED DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS TO EVERY EFFECTED HOMEOWNER IN DREAMLAND VILLA AND ASK THEM TO SIGN IT IF THEY APPROVED!

My question "is where would we be today if they had done this and had 50% + 1 of the residents has approved?"

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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 01:15 pm

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Dear Forever: Oh yes, I've also played this game before also...You lie, you sneak around and claim an interest in these fragile old people's property, like theives in the night, then you claim they wouldn't have complained if only we hadn't agreed with them.
Allow me please to remind you that all the club had to do to make this legal...one way or the other was to:
MAIL OUT COPIES OF THE SECOND AMENDED DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS TO EVERY EFFECTED HOMEOWNER IN DREAMLAND VILLA AND ASK THEM TO SIGN IT IF THEY APPROVED!
It may surprise you to know that all the people involved in this came to us! We did not have time or personnel to canvass like you did with the Board and its committees running around telling people the Senior Overlay was at risk.
Immediately after the January 13, 2004 meeting at which the amendments failed, we Ron, Cathy and I were overwhelmed with phone calls and people coming by wanting to meet. When we were able to find a location 500 people whom we did not know, nor had we ever contacted them...showed up and voted to hire an attorney.

Now, you want to lie about the people who are violating the law...at the direction of the board...by interfering with a homeowner who is soliciting signatures to rid Section 9 of SADR...that's what the Deputy told them, and that's what's occurred.

The Deputy told the Werres that interfering with those soliciting signatures door to door was against the law and that they were to cease and desist. (You may recall that Mrs. Werre made the Motion that inspired 40 lawsuits against homeowners by the club.

In yet another act of lying to homeowners the club called owners in Section 9 telling them that if they nullified the effects of SADR they would lose their Senior Overlay...when in fact the only legal way to enforce the Senior Overlay is for the County of Maricopa to grant an exemption from the Federal Fair Housing Act...which forbids discrimination in housing because of age.
The club cannot enforce any such restriction...the County alone may grant an exemption from the Federal law and enforce that restriction.

By the way, Forever, your contempt for the intelligence of your neighbor's is insulting. No one likes your condescending attitude. We have never told people what to do...if they asked us we told them what their alternatives were, and let them decide.
The club steals property from the unwary, and forces owners to pay them for the privilege of living in their own home. If the owners refuse they then sue them, and threaten to take their homes. Mr. Espinosa came to us early. He was an attorney, and believed that the club had acted illegally against him. We did not even know him when he told the club to go to Hell that he didn't have a contract with them, and would not be bound by any agreement he had not signed.
Next time you try the "blame the victims" gambit have the facts straight. Dorothy7

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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 08:28 pm

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Dorothy,

I have been thinking about your threesome for about 4 years now. What I think is that you all claim to want to help and protect our elderly residents. Right??

What you have accomplished is misery and pain for most of the elderly that you three have convinced you are trying to help. Did you tell them if they lost

that it would cost them dearly but cost you three cohorts nothing?? Did you tell them they could pay the dues and see what happens?? Maybe they all would be happy and enjoying their days and not have to worry about tomorrow. You three have and continue to inflict more pain on these people than they would have if you would have left them alone.

I am sure Mr Espinosa would still be with us without someones intervention. Causing him the aggravation and pain of going to court caused undue stress and pain on this poor man!! ALL the liens and late fees were 100% caused by someone convincing these poor people to follow them down a road of destruction!

Now we have someone running around in section nine showing a police badge and threating to tape record people?? Any idea who that was, I think you know them very well?? Ask the police department that pulled him over and question him! What are you going to do next to help our frail and sick neighbors?? I think they will be happy and content without any more of the three cohorts interfering in their lives.

Do I think you will leave these people alone?? No, because you three have a personal agenda and will use anyone and everyone to accomplish it!!!!!

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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 09:03 am

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You go Dorothy!!!...ct

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Posted: Mon Mar 24th, 2008 09:34 am

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Posted: Mon Mar 24th, 2008 09:32 am

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You Go, Dorothy!!!...ct

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Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 03:26 am

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Avery, dear...You protesteth too much. Mr. Espinosa died a couple of weeks short of his name coming up for a transplant....too bad. You have a new kitchen...I wonder if the $5,500.00 for which you approve leining his property, and the stress it caused this dying man could have shortened his life? One thing for damned sure it did not lengthen his life by an hour, and made his last year a living Hell.
My good sense tells me that paying out $80,000.00 per year to harass and disposess your neighbors is not rational.
My good sense tells me that our frail and sick neighbors who cannot pay 184.00 per year will be unable to pay the liens...or the increases in dues, and late fees, and attorney's fees.
My good sense tells me that those of you who believe that anyone owes you their lives so that you can paint the club houses is suffering a serious moral deficiency.
Think about it. Dorothy

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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 05:07 pm

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A friendly note from a friend in Dreamland Villa to seniors that may not file taxes and all other readers.

Many Social Security recipients are eligible for the " Stimulus Payment" ! You do need to file a tax return to receive it! Go to http://www.irs.gov you can print the forms and instruction sheets or check with your money people!

$300. per person is $300.

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 12:47 pm

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your enrty "Dorothy 7. Petra Campean is right!!!! The Board is wrong!!! Killing your sick neighbors is always wrong....no matter how much you covet their money to pay for your play time. "

Petra is right? ? ?

The courts say what he claims is "communist and dictorship" is legal! Just because he doesn't understand the system doesn't make him right!

There is your " killing your neighbors" again.

I could say "Dorothy use the common sense the God you claim to know gave you and stop this nonsense!"

I could be as nasty as you, but I won't!

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 12:17 pm

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averymatte wrote: But it is the Club doing it Dorothy! Not a committee of fanatsy people you think are out there taking care of this community!

There are hundreds and hundreds of volunteers giving of their time and talents to make this a great place to live!

No matter what you claim, there is a group out there that doesn't want Dreamland to exist as a place where retirement Dreams come true! With the 55+ overlay, with the facilities and activities it is a great place to live!dorothy responds: The Club is doing it voluntarily! No one is threatening to foreclose on the clubhouses, or the houses of the Board and the volunteers if they refuse to do it!Most of us volunteer to help our neighbors every day. We do so because it is our duty as neighbors and members of a community. We do not do it because of any activity of the Board, or their Fascist belief that they have the right to seize their neighbor's property if they fail to obey them! Paying extortion to thugs is a cowardly act.

I am ashamed of the people who have ponied up and given in to these silly, shameless tyrants.

Even the Queen of Utopia has no authority to take our property, assess fines, interest for non-payment, and try to seize the property of those who resist.If all those who have been defrauded of control of their property would simply refuse to pay them anything, and prove once and for all that Americans do no give in to threats and intimidation, it would end tomorrow morning.
Dorothy 7. Petra Campean is right!!!! The Board is wrong!!! Killing your sick neighbors is always wrong....no matter how much you covet their money to pay for your play time.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 04:34 pm

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I think the facts are that the CCR's that were already on your property when you purchased it were ammended!

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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 12:38 pm

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SO AVERRY

IF I LIVE IN A NON MANDATORY SECTION THE CCRS THAT WERE FILED ON MY PROPERTY IN 2004 FORCE ME TO LIVE IN A FIFTY FIVE AND OVER COMMUNITY? OR DO THE ORIGINAL THAT RAN WITH THE LAND WHEN FARNSWORTH BUILT IT GOVERN ME AND MY PROPERTY? BIG QUESTION HUH? AND WATCH YOU WILL TELL US HOW GREAT IT IS TO BE IN THE CLUB YADA YADA YADA. GET REAL

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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 12:02 pm

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There were CCR's when you and I moved in, you didn't get your copy from the realtor?

They were amended by the residents making membership mandatory!

The same Senior Overlay laws and reguirements applied then as they do now!

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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 12:16 pm

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AVERY,

SO IF I LIVE IN A NON MADATORY SECTION , THEN WHAT ? YOU GUYS GOING TO ENFORCE THE OVER FIFTY FIVE ? AS IS SAID IT IS NOT A LAW AND IF YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE CCR'S THEN YOU CAN BE WHATEVER AGE AND NO BODY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN YOUR WONDERFUL LITTLE CLUB . HOW'S THAT ? NOW DO YOU GET IT ? GEE WHAT A ONE SIDED MIND YOU HAVE. OH AND I DID THAT ON PURPOSE TO SEE IF ANYONE WAS READING THE BLOG.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 02:49 am

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R & C

you wrote

"OH YOU CAN'T LIVE HERE IF YOU ARE OVER FIFTY FIVE. BULL CRAP!!! "

You don't even read what you write! The fact is one resident has to be over 55 years of age, no one under 19 years of age for more that 90 days in a calender year.

it explains it in the CCR's and in the phone book! but you already know that!

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LETS GET IT STRAIGHT, THE FIFTY FIVE OVERLAY IS NOT A LAW!!! THE COMMUNITY CAN CLAIM IT HAS THE OVERLAY ON A TEN YEAR CYLCLE IF 80% OR MORE OF THE RESIDENTS ARE OVER FIFTY FIVE. NO TEETH IN IT WHATSOEVER!! THE COUNTY ADMINISTERS IT AND CAN GIVE IT OR TAKE IT AWAY. IF I REFUSE TO SELL MY HOUSE TO SOMEONE FOR AGE REASONS, HUD CAN MAKE IT VERY MESSY FOR ME. YOU CANNOT DESCRIMINATE IN HOUSING FOR ANY REASON, PERIOD! SO THE OVERLAY ISSUE IS A SMOKING MIRROR. THE CLUB AND THE REAL ESTATE PEOPLE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE . OH YOU CAN'T LIVE HERE IF YOU ARE OVER FIFTY FIVE. BULL CRAP!!!

PARTY ON DUDES

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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:16 pm

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But it is the Club doing it Dorothy! Not a committee of fanatsy people you think are out there taking care of this community!

There are hundreds and hundreds of volunteers giving of their time and talents to make this a great place to live!

No matter what you claim, there is a group out there that doesn't want Dreamland to exist as a place where retirement Dreams come true! With the 55+ overlay, with the facilities and activities it is a great place to live!

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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:25 am

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Again, dear Avery, it has only been a couple of months since the Membership Committee chairwoman reported that less than half the owners in the voluntary sections had paid their dues...now, suddenly more than half have paid. My inclination is to quote Ronald Reagan...trust but verify. Fibbing & fantasizing are necessary to sustain the illusion of an Utopia. Frankly, I just don't believe them anymore. Dorothy7

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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:19 am

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Avery, dear: The answer to your question is: yes I was! The 55+ overlay now in effect was created during the time I was on the Board, and the Mandatory Membership Committee. Here is the true answer to your question. One lifts up the telephone directory...(with the aid of a membership list, and access to the county platt. (GIS Maps on the internet) and sends out a questionaire to the DV owners. Most owners responded the number of owners who were 55+ were counted...the application was created and mailed. Any committee of homeowners could do it. The City library annex on Power is also a great help. Not easy, but possible. Also, the club's office assisted, and they are employees. As I recall, it was Jeannie Leoper, Jim Cook, and Janet Rossman who did most of the actual work. Dorothy

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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 12:46 am

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You asked me a question, then rather than wait for an answer, followed it with, "I didn't think so." I suppose such arrogance is to be expected from the kind of person who would force others to pay for their recreation.

Are these volunteer neighbors getting paid by the club to give of their time and efforts? Rather than answer for you, I'll give you the courtesy of awaiting your reply.

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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 07:52 pm

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Have you ever been involved in the procdure of verifying each and every address in the community, making sure the community meets the requirements to maintain the 55+ overlay? I didn't think so. It doesn't just happen because you want it to! It happens because your volunteer neighbors give of their time and efforts to keep accurate records so as to meet the county reguirements. People working with residents and the county to keep the proper age restrictions in place.

So whether you believe it or not, the Club works with the county in maintaining the 55+ overlay, zoning, week control, illegal vehicles etc! And with the available amendities offered, Dreamland is a great place to live!

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Your implication is that those that don't pay are getting something for nothing. I wasn't aware that the club is cleaning streets, enforcing county noise ordinances, and building shopping centers. As for the 55+ overlay, it's been shown time and again on these boards that the club is not required for it's maintenence.

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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 12:34 pm

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And they still get to enjoy living in a 55+ community with nice clean quite streets, with friendly neighbors and live close to all the shopping centers. What a great place to live. Must be why this site is called HAPPY IN DREAMLNAD VILLA!

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averymatte wrote: I wonder what the fact "59% of the non mandatory sections residents paid their 2008 dues means." ?
It means 41% of these residents did not wish to pay and did not have to. Too bad the residents in the mandatory sections no longer have that option.

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Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 11:46 am

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FYI

I wonder what the fact "59% of the non mandatory sections residents paid their 2008 dues means." ? Wow! It must mean that people move to and live in Dreamland Villa because it is a great place to live. It could mean the neighbors and area is what they want. Can you imagine that! People enjoying a 55+ community with all of the facilities, friendly people, close to all the medical faclities, shopping centers, etc! Has everything a person needs.

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WE KIND OF MISS OL BABEL ON AND ON,

NO ONE GIVING THE POT LUCK AND PART REPORT. WONDER IF THEY GET MORE THAN FIFTY RESIDENTS OUT TO THE FUN AND GAMES ? BUT WHAT IF THEY GOT ALL THREE THOUSAND ? NOW THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO WRITE ABOUT ! THREE THOUSAND IN THE SWIMMING POOL. PROBABLY BREAK THE SNOOP CAMERA AND JUST THINK, THE SUNTAN LOTION!!!!!!! TISK TISK

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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 11:57 am

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Mr. Wolfe...you seem to be getting complaints from someone on a regular basis. It makes for a very disjointed blog...I am not offended by most of the back and forth, and have been at it a long time...as you know, Dreamland residents are at odds with each other and the club...you would be surprised at the number who are readers, but for one reason or another seldom enter the fray...mostly because many here are very unsophisticated PC users...Dorothy7

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I guess it depends on which side of the question you are on. We can always find exceptions that are not relevent!

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averymatte wrote: Dorothy

Maybe that accepting the will of the people and the decisions of the court is being grown up! Tell that to Martin Luther King. The courts and the majority had no beef with segregation. Did they? Dorothy7

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Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 11:38 am

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Maybe that accepting the will of the people and the decisions of the court is being grown up!

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Thank You...'again', Dorothy!!!...ct

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As usual Dorothy doesn't challenge the corrections, she insults, call names and goes off on her personal venetta with the neighbors that volunteer to serve and protect their homes and community!Dear Avery: Please reread you original screed including "corrections". They have been answered in full. The correct form to which you referred was NOT USED BY ANYONE....Got it? It is an unlawful demand not allowed by the Open Meetings Act of the State Legislature.
The Board knew that and attempted to pull another "fast one" on myself and another member...just as the Board tried to flim flam DV residents with a vote restricting "Utility Trailers" when in fact, they could not enforce the restriction, and the county would not.
They passed it anyway...trying to deceive owners again.
These acts of duplicity extend over a period of years...and include the so-called "vast majority" who supported becoming an HOA. Grow up Avery. It's time. Dorothy7

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I can't believe what you posted don't get personal, or accuse some one of violating 'your' standards.

what have you been reading?

reporting facts that are contrary to what a persons reports is stating the truth!

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Avery...do you ever have a 'constructive' thought to add to the 'conversation'??? I have never met most of the people who participate in this blog...but I still think the bulk of them 'can stay on point' & don't get personal, or accuse some one of violating 'your' standards. As we have very limited standards on this site...and as you should have seen lately, it takes quite a bit to get 'removed' from expressing your opinions here. As long as I have been participating, I have only seen it twice...but as far as I am concerned, you are pushing the envelope. I would be a lot more impressed with your participation, if you would/could be more 'sociable'...with your neighbors, and give them credit for exercising their rights to participate freely, but civilly...just as you should...ct

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As usual Dorothy doesn't challenge the corrections, she insults, call names and goes off on her personal venetta with the neighbors that volunteer to serve and protect their homes and community!

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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 12:48 pm

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Avery, dear: Calm yourself! It is not blasphemy to record the antics of this goofy board...

If you mean the "Form" the Board decided to require in violation of the Open Meetings Act, no one attended that meeting using that Form. No one!

You must have a hearing, as well as a counting problem. I advise you to consult an audiologist and an optomitrist.

I cannot imagine that Tana must constantly be corrected on the board's legal rights when they have thus far paid (in this year only) an attorney to advise them nearly $80,000.00 of your dollars!

Tana did allow herself time to describe her record...Mr. Campean was cut off before he could respond...The Board did in fact ignore the requirement in the Bylaws that no Board member could succeed himself without first leaving the Board for one year.

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DVCC MOTTO:

Divide and Conquer..........plus lie, cheat, steal & abuse!

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I don't know what meeting Dorothy was at but it wasn't the one I attended. There were 11 nominees with resumes in the citizen, 1 had been added and 2 were nominated from the floor. 14 not 16 Dorothy. 1 stepped down. ALL nominees were asked 3 questions by the chair. And allowed to respond. The floor was opened to allow 1 question of a canidate. NOT ONE PERSON BEING ALLOWED TO BE ASKED AS DOROTHY STATED! In fact one person using a legal form representing a member asked several canidates questions. Just a few were asked questions from the floor. 5 of them if my memory is correct!

The 74 count she came up with was a total vote count of the motion on the floor, not every person present voted.

The 55+ overlay that she mentions is controlled by the county with input from the Club! The Club has to maintain and provide records that they are obeying the stipulations. It is an ongoing process.

Dorothy's personal attacks on Tana are just a continuing personal vendetta on her part. And she will continue on any or all board members as they are elected and volunteer to serve their community!

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Let me record here the goings-on at the "Nominations Meeting" yesterday afternoon. I did not attend the meeting in the morning, as have had the flu' and was fearful that I would infect the audience in such a small room.

In the afternoon, however I arrived with my note from an absent neighbor appointing me to represent him. (since the Board will not allow me to pay my dues)
The lady at the table said that the dated note was insufficient since the board had come up with a "REPRESENTATION AUTHORIZATION FORM" in which the member appointing a representative would assume liability for unspecified "damages"
by daring to appoint a representative to vote and speak for him in his absence.

Now, I would never allow anyone to sign a stupid and an unlawful demand like that and informed them that it violated the "Open Meetings" law and handed them a copy, then I asked for a copy of the agenda and sat down.

Tana Ullmann convened the meeting, and announced that a quorum was present. I was not convinced but let it slide until they decided to conduct business. Later, she asked for a motion and received a second, but failed to call for the vote, so one of the members reminded her, and a vote was taken.
Then, I rose to a point of order, since the vote count was 36 to 38...it seemed we needed to establish a quorum. I rose and counted the members present...row by row...expecting Ms. Ullmann to call for a standing count which she did not do.

My count showed that there were 74 members present including myself, but not including Ms. Ullmann who cannot vote while acting as President...Barbara Miller said that she had counted 108...then, it dawned on me that they were using the "absentee ballots" as members present.

Rather than disrupt the proceedings any further I sat down. Then Ms. Ullmann announced that the Board (acting alone?) had done away with the requirement in the bylaws that board members could not run for consecutive terms. So she would be running for the board again since she had done a good job.

At this point 16 Nominees (including her husband Richard were lined up on the stage waiting for their opportunity to speak for 1 minute each.) ONE MINUTE!

Ms. Ullmann rose and announced that she wanted to run again, "since she had done a good job and wanted to continue...Janet Massey is running again...Jim Cook has never left the Board..and is shifting from "advisor parliamentarian" to candidate once again. (His wife Joan acted as inquisitor and timer when the candidates were allowed to respond to her questions...of primary importance would they take an oath to enforce SADR, and the Senior Overlay?) Mr. Ullmann thoughtfully abandoned his candidacy so she could run outside the limitations of the Bylaws.

Again, those in charge are either ignorant or willfully practicing deception. THE BOARD DOES NOT ENFORCE THE SENIOR OVERLAY...THE COUNTY OF MARICOPA, DEPT OF PLANNING AND DEVELOP ENFORCES THE SENIOR OVERLAY!

Since the Board no longer allows objections I withheld...but herein let me express my dismay with the conduct of the meeting.

Tana Ullmann was the only candidate allowed to make a speach about their records, and hers was an exercise in fiction.

Done a good job?

1.Under her direction, the Board has expelled two members without cause and outside the legal requirements, according to a Superior Court Judge in the case of Vicki Wirtz, and since we were all expelled at the same time and for the same reasons, the opinion must apply to all of us.

2. On her watch, for the first time in the nearly 50 year history of DV, the Board filed lawsuits against 40 homeowners...costing the members nearly $80,000.00 so far, and most likely it isn't over.

3. That number of lawsuits automatically increased the cost of their insurance, and may have resulted in their being declared a "High Risk" to insure, so any company providing them with their coverage will bid higher and higher as the cases filed increase.

4. Most of the people whom they have harassed and abused over the past years, are not amused by the boards antics and will not be supportive of them in the future.

5. Dreamland Villa had managed for nearly 47 years to provide for its owners the services they needed without an attorney, lawsuits, and higher dues every year. Now, under these people, they have given themselves the power to ignore the bylaws...allow write-in ballots...dissemble (lie)...and create a constant sense of chaos and confusion among the residents.

Enough for now. Vote for whom you will...if you think it will do any good. Dorothy7

No questions from the members were allowed, AND the candidates were allowed one minute to respond to Jim Cook's wife questioning? No wonder Petra Campean was not allowed to mention that they are behaving like a band of petty tyrants.

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My 2+ years in law school taught me a few things...as long as this DVCC is voluntary membership organization, they are a private organization...whenever they change it to a mandatory membership...it is no longer a private organization & is subject to a lot of different & more complicated laws...brings back the old adage..."watch out what you wish for, you may get it..."

Before we go down this street, I think it would be a great idea to hold an open meeting, well publicized in a church, or similar building to hold the people, with microphones, etc...I know this is probably wishful thinking, but maybe it will get some people thinking about "what we should be thinking about", before we get a screwed up mess...after all it has been running for 40 years...& at my age I would like to leave things as good or better than I find them...and without having to chisel my name on everything...it is always better to have a 'group' get the praise than any individuals...ct

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The ballots include the member's number and name Avery. Egads! Do try to ask your buds over at the office what a ballot looks like. Dorothy7

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ONCE AGAIN YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT. IF THE CLUB HAS TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE ELECTION AND THE BALLOTS ARE NOT PRE NUMBERED, WHAT PREVENTS BALLOT STUFFING ? THE ANSWER IS NOTHING. IF YOU REALLY WANT AN HONEST ELECTION LET THE COUNTY COME IN AND RUN IT AND HAVE AN ACCOUNTING FIRM COUNT THE BALLOTS.

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It is amazing how you work it. Every ballot has to be accounted for. One name on the list one ballot accounted for! If they were #'d you would have to associate that # with a Card # and the vote wouldn't be secret! You thought your votes at the polls were secret. If they need to see your ballot they can find it!

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Irish has a good point, let's have an election, make it an honest election. The only way that is going to happen with this bunch at Nightmare Villa, is to have the County oversee the election with closed ballots, boxes and tabulation. That way no one mess with it. Did you know the Club doesn't even pre number the ballots? Why, you know the answer to that one. So we can only hope for real election this year for new Board members as the whole process is flawed.

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Have you been reading Dorothy's entry's over the years. She relys on leaving the DETAILS out so as readers have to try and read between the lines. It is as she has a personal vendetta with Maxwell! To throw it in a blog site with out the Important Fact that isn't pertaining to Dreamland could be considered trying to decieve!

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Hey 'bored' Board...she didn't mentioned the DVCC bored...she said MAXWELL...no wonder you can't run a dinky little operation like this...how would like to run a whole city, w/ about 5 times population...before you start, learn to read...but I am glad you, or someone down there is at least reading this blog...our efforts may not be in vain...let's have an election...ct

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Readers Dorothy entered;

Tues Nov27th, 2007 7:28am

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I forgot to add...Klump? Klump? Klump? What's that? Nazi jack boots? Jaws? A lawyer who has found a legal way to assinate old, or disabled people and take their homes? Dorothy 7.

PS. Got an interesting case off the internet Court site, of a disabled lady...dead by drowning in a Motel pool where she was living after Maxwell foreclosed on her home and sold it. What became of her equity? Hmmm?   How long are you going to put up with this? Her name is Sabina Prioletta...(cv2005-091703) Look it up

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The Board felt it was important to respond to her attempt to decieve! The delay was to research the facts.

Fact:   " Miss Prioletta did not lose her property - she paid the judgment amount and the suit was dismissed in 7/06 "

Another fact that was not mentioned " the case has nothing to do with the DVCC community "!

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DOROTHY,

GLAD YOU AND MOM ARE FEELING BETTER NOW, CONTINUED GOOD HEALTH TO YOU BOTH. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS AVERY PERSON. DO YOU THINK IT IS A GUY ? HUMMMM AND THEY ARE MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE BAGGIE DROP BEING AGAINST THE POSTED LAW? WHAT LAW? THEY WORRY ABOUT TRIVIA WHILE THEY CONDONE RIPPING OFF THEIR ELDERLY NEIGHBORS WITH NO AFTER THOUGHT AT ALL. THEIR GREED IS NASTY AND THEIR LIES FLOW LIKE WATER. THEY WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING, YEAH RIGHT. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. WONDER IF AVERY WILL COME TO THE GARAGE SELL? GUESS WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. OL MAROKSWITCY, THE GUY WHO RODE AROUND IN HIS RED GOLF CART LAST YEAR SHOUTING AT PEOLE TO NOT GO TO THE GARAGE SELL, THAT GUY, AT LEAST HE MOVED AWAY AND WON'T BE AROUND THIS TIME. MAYBE AVERY CAN FIND A GOLF CART AND DO HIS THING ?

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