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Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2007 01:50 pm |
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Dear Alas; I thought you might enjoy hearing about which side in this controversy "abides by the rules" as you say, until the matter is decided.
I went over to pay my dues, and my mother's dues yesterday, 9/11/07, in order to attend the meetings and try to protect our property from further attempts by the board and their irresponsible attorney to claim control of it.
Jeannie was as usual wall-eyed with terror when I entered the office...and rushed into the newly constructed "President's Office" with a door they can close. She came back out after giving the checks to Eugene Espy apparently, because he followed her out...and told me that "Their computer was down, and that they had to rush to a meeting and had no time to take my check just then."
I asked him why not allow Jeannie to make out our cards and process the checks when the computer was back in working order?"
He responded that I needed to contact their attorney, Charlie Maxwell. I reminded him that Charlie had made it clear that he would not respond to member's calls or letters that he represented only the board.
I responded by asking when, exactly, would he be able to process our checks and get back to business? He said he would be back at 1:o'clock p.m.
I then took an envelope with my check and a note to the Board Secretary Eugene Meade and asked the ladies at the sign in table to give it to Gene...which they did.
At 1:o'clock p.m., I was back in the office prepared to pick up our cards...since the Judge in Vicki Wirtz's case had ruled that "if she had not accepted her expulsion, she was entitled to the documents..." that they would accept the ruling, and stop the nonsense...but no, he hands me my envelope with REJECTED printed in felt tip marker all the way across the front of the check, envelope and note.
Even though I was surprised at this action, I was still curious about under what rule, or rules they were refusing mine, and my mother's checks?
He did not know.
I inquired further, by asking, "who does know, and where can I find a copy of those rules?"
He didn't know that either.
He then commented that in his opinion, I was an intelligent woman, and why was I spending my time and energy doing all this?
It is reasonable at this point to assume that this little gaggle of ignorant neighbors are following an unethical and irresponsible attorney right off a cliff with our property held hostage to his ever lasting demand that all questions regarding the Board's activities be met with lies and evasions, and unlawful expulsions of those who dissent from their actions, and of course, another lawsuit.
Go on line to the records of the Superior Court and under case histories you can find and read his filings. Each of which have been denied so far...except one request for a hearing...but each of those silly frivolous unresponsive filings are paid for by the Board.
Will you people ever take time to read the law and the rules, and abide by both?
Surely, at some point, it will occur to you-all that your devotion to Maxwell is dragging you into an abyss. Dorothy
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Posted: Sun Sep 9th, 2007 02:16 pm |
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Dorothy7: Have your Mom read this:: You wrote
"I do not know you either. I can only say, you have approved of liening your old, sick neighbor's homes and dragging them through the court system so that the club can host Russian Orphans. Do it on your own dime!
I Write::
I haven't approved anything except " until the issue is settled I need to abide by the rules" if I choose not to abide by them then as my Mom & Dad taught me I may suffer the consquences! The state of my health or my age has nothing to do with what they may be! The choice is mine!
The cost for the Club to host people is already there, whether we use it or not. The hosting the Russian Orphans was donations so it was my own dime thank you! This next time it will be canned goods. Helps those of us on fixed incomes to see a good show and to help others at the same time.
Enjoying Dreamland
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Posted: Sun Sep 9th, 2007 12:57 pm |
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Alas: Surely dear, if you will focus your FULL attention for a moment, you can respond to some of the corrections I have made on your posts.
1. The spy camera at the pool ($2,500+) approved by the Board. You misstated the amount as $300.00.
2. My mother often reads your posts. She taught school, and is able at 96 years of age to understand fully that the club has sneaked down to the Maricopa County Recorders office, without her knowledge or consent and attached an interest in our property. She still believes that you suffer a major attention deficit and must be constantly reminded of yesterday's lesson, based on your posts.
I do not know you either. I can only say, you have approved of liening your old, sick neighbor's homes and dragging them through the court system so that the club can host Russian Orphans. Do it on your own dime!
3. There are weeds in the median once again, and the bare lots from Read Hall to Higley look like a slum again. Still nothing is ever done for the owners of property in DV...it's the Special Olympic Kids, or Russian Orphans. (Neither of which are club members, or 55+). Of course, the club continues to pay for their philanthropy by stealing money from sick old people instead of paying for it themselves.
4. Now, those from whom the club is stealing are paying for the club's "bill collector" to harass them. You people are all heart! Shame on you.
5. The club failed to mail out copies of the SECOND AMENDED DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS to the owners of lots who signed that goofy petition that is deliberately misleading in all its aspects. Not a single word about an HOA, or fines, or interest on fines, or transfer fees, or liens, or foreclosure and eviction.
To quote Andy Anderson, the chairman of the Mandatory Membership Committee. "If we say HOA we won't get 6 signatures!"
To add insult to injury...the amendments to the governing documents, ARTICLES, BYLAWS AND CONSTITUTION that were supposedly approved by signing the petition, did not exist at all at the time the signatures were obtained under false representations and material ommissions. Enough said?
6. There is not a shred of proof that anyone signed to approve the formation of an HOA. (maybe you mindless happiness boys and girls had read SADR, but you sure as H--- did not read the proposed amendments to the governing documents.) Dorothy
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 06:57 pm |
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Dear R & C: If you will recall it is a dangerous business quoting parables, old sayings, or classic American fiction. the board does not read...remember the Devil and Daniel Webster quote that set them off? Mom always says Alas is one of those people who would gripe if you hung him with a new rope. (No, Alas, we're not threatening to hang you...nor is good old Momster...it's an old humorous statement! Most Americans derive a chuckle from those old bon mots...
By the way, if Alas returned for cooler temperatures he must be disappointed...but he shouldn't take it too hard, maybe someday he'll guess right. I encourage him to keep trying, and not to give up. He's bound to be right about something some day...maybe. Dorothy
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 03:12 pm |
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POOR BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
NOW HE IS THE OFFICIAL CALENDAR GUY THAT HAS TO INFORM US WHEN SUMMER IS OVER ETC ETC ETC.
HE WOULDN'T KNOW A COLORDADO FROG FROM A DESERT FROG BUT MISSED THE POINT. YOU KNOW IF, IF AND BUTS WERE CANDY AND NUTS WOULDN'T WE HAVE A NICE CHRISTMAS. AND IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T WEAR OUT HIS BUTT HOPPING, AND IF NIGHTMARE VILLA HAD A SOCIAL CLUB, NON PROFIT, THAT IS A JOKE, THEY WOULDN'T RAPE THIS COMMUNITY. LOSING SOMETHIG IN THE INTERPRETATION , SORRY . BABEL HAS TO HAVE EVERYTHING EXPLAINED TO HIM. WHILE YOU HAVE THE BIG DICTIONARY BOOK OUT BABEL, LOOK UP CIVIL LAW SUITS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
BINGO ON DUDES
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 01:42 pm |
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Dorothy7: you say " HALF THE TIME I'M AM UNCONSCIOUS" and that was your reply to my entry about the summer is almost over and people will be returning to enjoy their winter homes! Dear check your calender, it is past labor Day, kids are back in school!
No reason to reply to R's comments, he has a hang up with frogs. I think he may be to close to a Colorado River frog!
Back on the subject of enjoying Dreamland did you see the Sept issue of the Citizen? The entertainment season looks great! Ceramics shop is back up and working! Other groups are busy and enjoying the community! see you around!
Enjoying Dreamland
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 01:29 pm |
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Irishkid2 1/2: All I printed was
" Summer is about over, residents will start returning as the weather cools. We returned on a hot Memorial Day sun. Will raise the flag in the morning and try and get some weeds pulled before it reaches 100 degrees. We are excited about the fall, winter & springs temperatures. After all that is why we moved to AZ 34 years ago! As the residents trickle back in and the activities start another season Dreamland will be abuzz with busy people. New people to meet, old friends to have coffee with. What a great place to live.
Happy in Dreamland
I don't know where you are coming from!!
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| Alas-Alias...I am 72...everyday I e.mail to my Mother, 92, all my 6 children, who talk to my 10 G/Children, 4 G/G/, & my 1 G/G/G/child...even tho she is still a baby, she makes more sense than you do...I was going to ask if it was time for your 'change' or your 'bottle'...but, by the way you sound, you already have a bottle... Why don't you write things down so you don't forget them, or have your 'custodian/keeper' explain things to you...several times a day, so maybe you will remember them...& try an age old system for knowing what is going on...re-read all the 'FACTS', before you post anything...it can't be much fun, when you, 1- aren't relative to the factual discussion, 2- you don't understand the 'factual' discussion...& 3- your bottle is empty...ct
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Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2007 11:42 pm |
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DOROTHY
BABEL ON AND ON IS SO HAPPY LIVING IN NIGHTMARE VILLA HIS MIND HAS SHUT DOWN. MAYBE THE HEAT FRIED HIS BRAIN? WHAT BRAIN? OH WELL, A FROG CAN'T CHANGE IT'S SPOTS OR IF HE HAD WINGS HE WOULDN.T WEAR OUT HIS BUTT HOPPING. IF BABEL HAD A THOUGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING!
PARTY ON DUDES
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Dorothy7
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alasbabylon wrote: IrishKid3 ::: They needed 50% +1 , it is simple! I have no idea where you come up with 209! Oh! Yes I do!
1. Board vote! To ask Club to ask residents to approve mandatory membership
2. Club member vote! Dorothy7 say it was 209 votes, To ask residents to approve mandatory membership
3. Resident approval at least 2200 plus!
Enjoying Dreamland DEAR ALAS: THERE YOU GO AGAIN. ONLY 200 VOTED TO APPROVE THE HIRING OF MR. MAXWELL...9 VOTED AGAINST HIRING HIM. IT HAD TO DO WITH ASKING HIM TO "REWRITE THEIR DOCUMENTS TO UPDATE THEM, AND TO HELP THEM ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS."
LITTLE WONDER YOU ARE SO EASILY PLEASED, HALF THE TIME YOU ARE UNCONSCIOUS! DOROTHY7
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Posted: Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 01:14 am |
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Summer is about over, residents will start returning as the weather cools. We returned on a hot Memorial Day sun. Will raise the flag in the morning and try and get some weeds pulled before it reaches 100 degrees. We are excited about the fall, winter & springs temperatures. After all that is why we moved to AZ 34 years ago! As the residents trickle back in and the activities start another season Dreamland will be abuzz with busy people. New people to meet, old friends to have coffee with. What a great place to live.
Happy in Dreamland
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| I'm sorry, but I screwed up...I took it from your posting...without correcting it or anything...SORRY....ct(please note the new Truth Detector model...give it a try...
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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 02:46 am |
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Let's see...........2220 > 4440...HMMMMMMMMMM...
Now...................209 > 4440...HMMMMMMMMMM...
BY GOOOOSSSHH! You are right, it is closer, but............... 4231 is BIGGER than both of them...that is the number of people who didn't vote 'for' it...or "against" it...or maybe didn't even get a chance to vote at all!....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.ct
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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 02:42 am |
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON
GET ON YOUR JAMIES AND GO TO BED, YOU ARE WIGGING OUT ! HI TECH DUMB !
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 04:58 pm |
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Dorothy corrects Alas once more. (his beeper's broken again).
I was there. Jim Cook read the motion, and read the part about the county rules. Jim Cook answered James Fleschner's question: Would the club be able to enforce it. (The new rule?) The answer, from Mr. Cook's lips was No. Marcell Hemmens may have entered into the discussion...it's hard to tell on the tape...several people participated, and the President did not, as usual, name them as having the floor.
I do not recall that MH was present...will check the roll call when I have a minute and let you know.
Did you read the posting regarding the Signature sheets?
Do you now believe that somehow all those folks intuited the nature of the documents to which affixed their signatures, or do you, (as most reasonable people would, believe that the solicitors representations of what they were signing for "To save the Senior Overlay" for example was the reason they signed?
Let's see THAT vote didn't count, but the vote on January 13, 2004 did? HMMM?
There were not a majority left in any but Section 8 after those wishing to rescind were subtracted...not one. I know it...the club knows it...and the courts know it. Duplicity, thy name is Alas.
Fix your beeper dear...Dorothy7
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Thr truth detector can't even take a break!
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 01:32 pm |
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BABLE ON AND ON AND ON AND ON
SO HOW DO YOU ANSWER DOROTHY'S ANSWER TO YOUR DUMB STUFF? GUESS NOT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ANSWER. STOP TRYING TO FORCE US TO BECOME MEMBERS OF YOUR STUPID CLUB. WE DON'T WANT TO , GET IT ?
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alasbabylon wrote: R: to the readers that care: The Board voted to ask the Club to vote to ask the residents to approve an issue of making membership mandatory! The residents approved the issue, , Not the Board, Not the Club! But The Residents.
So quit telling everyone that the Board and the Club did made the change.
You could go door to door asking if your neighbors signed for mandatory membership and if they did you could call them crooks, thieves, low life and other bad names. They are the ones that approved the issue.
But it is easier to pick on the present board and volunteers ( even though they weren't in office at the time ) that keep the community running!
Have a happy day in Dreamland! dorothy adds to her earlier response:
Your last paragraph is an example of the shameless assumption of credit for "running the community" the board claims, when, in fact, 4,400 individual homeowners "run the community" by tending their own homes as best they can, and keeping the place tidy.
The improvements to the clubhouses are not increasing our property values, tending our own homes, at our own expense improves property values.
Those involved in the apparent fraudulent solicitation of signatures, are still parked over at the clubhouse virtually every day. All day. Tormenting their helpless sick neighbors has become their mission, and the rest of their time is spent offering lame excuses for doing so.
This board, like all the others, has a nucleus of the same people who perpetrated this scam on their neighbors and assured us all along that "The Second Amendment",or The New CC&Rs, or SADR, etc. etc." would be enforced at the "board's discretion".
Were they lying then, or are they lying now?
If, as you say, the "residents" were crying out for the club to subject them to becoming an HOA, subjecting themselves to penalties, interest on penalties, liens, foreclosure and eviction, as well as loosing their Homestead Exemption, why are only 209 of 4,400+ owners recorded as having voted for it? Stranger still, if the "residents" demanded an HOA, why does the header on the petition not include a word about Mandatory Membership, or HOA, or liens foreclosure and eviction?
Why didn't the club mail out copies of the Second Amended Declaration of Restrictions prior to soliciting the signatures? None of the underlying documents described on the petition were provided to the owners...the amendments to the governing documents weren't in existence until 9 months after the signatures were collected and filed. Finally, why is the board still hiding the ballots counted and cast at the January 2004 meeting at which it claims to have won the authority to impose the terms of the secret "New CC&Rs/Second Amendment/ SADR etc.?
It all sort of blows your mind, doesn't it? Dorothy7
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| No...We are all going to wait until the court decides...ct
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Posted: Sun Jun 17th, 2007 07:37 pm |
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Dorothy responds, once again to the befuddled Alas:
These are hard times, aren't they? The residents did not ask the board to do anything. The Board sought opinions from a reputable law firm as early as 1998, and were told that what they wanted to do was impossible...(they still haven't done it legally).
There was no outcry from the residents. Period. The board did not send out a copy of the New Declaration before it solicited signatures on a sign up sheet that says nothing about liens, foreclosure and eviction. In fact, it says nothing about fines, interest, or mandatory membership. Or an HOA.
This is what the Consent Sheet actually says:
"Pursuant to the amendment requirements of the Declaration of Restrictions (Section14) and recorded on August, 1970. in Docket 8303, pages 1-4, the undersigned Owner(s) of the referenced lot(s) hereby signs this document to express consent for the Second Amended Declaration of Restrictions for Dreamland Villa Section 14. Maricopa County, Arizona ("Second Amendment), as if the signatures referenced below were included on the actual Second Amendment."
Now, Alas, this is all very interesting if not enlightening...My neighbor who is now mortally ill and fighting in court to save his home, discovered The Second Amended Declaration of Restrictions (a 17 page document filled with obligations to the club, its attorney and the board of directors) when Maxwell attached a copy this month to a Motion for Summary Judgement against my friend and neighbor.
No copies of SADR, or SA, or amendments to the Bylaws, or the Constitution or the Articles of Incorporation were sent out or published for the signatories to read prior to signing what appears to be a petition.
It goes on:
"The signatures referenced below also constitute consent of the undersigned Owners to amendments to the Articles of Incorporation of Dreamland Villa Community Club dated May 19, 1961, and filed with the Arizona Corporation Commission on June 1, 1961, including subsequent amendments thereto: and the By Laws of Dreamland Villa Community Club, and subsequent amendments thereto necessary to give full force and effect to the Second Amendment."
As you know, Alas, this violates the Noticing requirements to amend the governing documents...of the club. No proposed Amendments had been printed prior to December 2003, and the signatures in this section were collected by fraudulent representations beginning in April, 2003.
SADR was never published in the Citizen, or mailed to Owners. Are you getting it now? Dorothy7
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Posted: Sun Jun 17th, 2007 05:58 pm |
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R: to the readers that care: The Board voted to ask the Club to vote to ask the residents to approve an issue of making membership mandatory! The residents approved the issue, , Not the Board, Not the Club! But The Residents.
So quit telling everyone that the Board and the Club did made the change.
You could go door to door asking if your neighbors signed for mandatory membership and if they did you could call them crooks, thieves, low life and other bad names. They are the ones that approved the issue.
But it is easier to pick on the present board and volunteers ( even though they weren't in office at the time ) that keep the community running!
Have a happy day in Dreamland!
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Posted: Sun Jun 17th, 2007 02:30 pm |
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON
YOU SPEAK ABOUT ATTACKS, HOW ABOUT THE BIG ATTACK WHEN THE NON PROFIT SOCIAL CLUB HIRED THE ATTORNEY AND STARTED FORCING US TO JOIN THEIR STUPID CLUB? HOW ABOUT THAT FOR AN ATTACK? AND HOW ABOUT ATTACHING THE sadr TO OUR DEEDS? NOW THAT IS A REAL GOOD EXAMPLE OF ATTACKING PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. YOU GUYS STARTED THIS FIGHT, YOU AND MARY ANN AND HER CLOWNS, NOW HANG ON, IT IS GOING TO GET INTERESTING.
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IrishKid3: There is no way I would question your qualifications in the matter of law. Ussually what I write is to remind readers that all of the attacks on the community volunteers by the dissidents is a threat to anyone that even considers volunteering, maybe that is their game plan !
In your law training have you ever seen dissidents of a group wearing orange jump suits? I think you will see attorney's, politicians, ministers, teachers even law enforcement personal!
Some of us will wait for the courts to decide!
Enjoying Dreamland
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Posted: Sat Jun 16th, 2007 08:16 pm |
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R: If you were paying attention you had a Vote ( if you were a menber ) to approach the residents with the issue, if you were paying attention you had a say ( in which you did voice your opnion ), the final say was up to the residents! You chose not to support the issue, others chose to support it.
***As a resident you were aproached by the Mr & Mrs White, you were offered a copy of the CC&R's, you refused to support mandatory membership and refused the copy of CC&R's saying you already had 15 copies on your dining room table.
*** Repeating what you wrote a while back in the blog!
So telling people you didn't have a choice is untrue! Beep Beep
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Alass(not Alice...in 'wonderland')...Having been a
Sgt/Detective in a county in metro KC, MO...I will inform you that 'amateurs/voluntary/greedy/stupid/etc' crooks wear the same orange jump suits that they all wear...just because you are a volunteer board member, you are operating under the same guidelines, restrictions, liabilities, limitations, etc as the highest paid board members of GM or Yahoo...when you sign your name to anything, you had better read & believe all the print...that is why lawyers put in so 'fine'...they are also liable for what their paid mouthpiece is guilty of, as he is a paid, contract, laborer...for lack of something nice to say about him...ct
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HEY BABEL,
TRY THIS ON, WHEN YOU PAY A HOME YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN THE CONTRACT WHEN YOU SIGN IT.
WHEN YOU LIVE IN NIGHTMARE VILLA, YOU HAVE NO SAY. NO VOTE AND SIGN NOTHING, NOW IS THAT A LEGAL CONTRACT?
HELL NO
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All you need is high school economics to know that you have to have a means to collect fees and monies due.
Also you need have to implement a method of collecting delinquint and past monies.
This only involves collecting on deliquent accounts so very few people are invovled in the procedure!
Without a method in place people would abuse the system and freeload off of the majority of the community. It happens all the time and then they get upset when they are approached!
I have wondered why a person would not pay the reguired dues and then challange the issue? If you questioned your mortgage payment, you don't stop paying it and then get upset when the loan company send you late charges, penalties and come after you! For the opposition to use ill folks (as if the club picks the people to send notices to) is way out of line.
The issue is in the courts so when the course is run the dust will settle!
What I do or don't do now will have nothing to do with the outcome.
In the mean time I will enjoy the community I chose to live in and live on!
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YOU KNOW BABEL ON AND ON GAVE GOOD ADVICE FOLKS, READ THE CCR'S, READ THEM FRONT TO BACK AND IF THEY DON'T MAKE YOU FIGHTING MAD YOU ARE DEAD IN THE HEAD LIKE MY FRIEND HAPPY BABEL ON AND ON. IF HE CAN READ THEM AND BE HAPPY THEN THERE IS NO HOPE. THEY ARE JUST TERRIBLE, ANY THINKING PERSON WOULD NOT WANT THEM ATTACHED TO THEIR PROPERTY DEEDS, BUT THEN THE CLUB DIDN'T GIVE US ANY SAY ABOUT THAT DID THEY ?
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YOU KNOW , DOROTHY, ALI BABA AND THE FORTY THIEVES MAKE THIS BUNCH LOOK LIKE BEGINERS. WINERS AND BEGINERS AND THEY FOLLOW THE LEADER LIKE A PIED PIPER LEADING THEM INTO THE OCEAN. TRY AS WE MIGHT WE CANNOT CONVINCE THEM THEY CANNOT FORCE US TO JOIN THEIR NASTY LITTLE CLUB.
PARTY ON DUDES
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alasbabylon wrote: Read the CCR's, read the CCR's Don't listen to angry, spoiled dissidents that write on these sites just to scare people into thinking their friends and neighbors ( that own property and are on fixed incomes just like you) are out to cheat, steal and take your property!
Everything the Concerned Citizens dissident group says they did, they would have done to themselves. Why would they cheat their self, steal my self, and give my property away?
Think! Reason and use logic!
Some of the Concerned Citizens dissidents have a concern with issues of the mandatory membership procedure! That is fine! It is in the courts hands now!
Others are just plain mean, rude, call names, insult peoples intelligence, if they challenge their statements about their motives.
When the dust settles most of the residents will go on as they have been, enjoying their lives in the community they moved into!
There will be others that are upset because the community won't fix anything on their property!
Enjoying Dreamland Most thieves enjoy their loot...until they get caught, Alas. You have become an apologist for wickedness so vile that you cannot now wash your hands...(the old Pontius Pilot routine) and go on, as he did, tormenting others.
Logic, as you suggest, leads directly to the conclusion that this mandatory membership routine was a scam from day one. If the club had mailed out copies of the "New CC&Rs", as they are now calling the fraudelent document affixed to our deeds, to every homeowner in DV and asked them to read and sign it...if they approved of the terms, then it would have some semblance of legality. I am ashamed of you all. Dorothy7
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Read the CCR's, read the CCR's Don't listen to angry, spoiled dissidents that write on these sites just to scare people into thinking their friends and neighbors ( that own property and are on fixed incomes just like you) are out to cheat, steal and take your property!
Everything the Concerned Citizens dissident group says they did, they would have done to themselves. Why would they cheat their self, steal my self, and give my property away?
Think! Reason and use logic!
Some of the Concerned Citizens dissidents have a concern with issues of the mandatory membership procedure! That is fine! It is in the courts hands now!
Others are just plain mean, rude, call names, insult peoples intelligence, if they challenge their statements about their motives.
When the dust settles most of the residents will go on as they have been, enjoying their lives in the community they moved into!
There will be others that are upset because the community won't fix anything on their property!
Enjoying Dreamland
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EasyWriter wrote: How in the world can you be happy in DV when others aren't and they are facing what they are facing. I myself can't be happy if I know that someone might lose their home because of this fiasco that could have been avoided if things had been left alone. DV had a good reputation but not anymore. Amazing what greed does to people.
Enjoy the potluck, the pool and what ever else but every once in a while think about the people that might loose their homes and where they might be forced to live or not live
FROM THE EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE
Mesa senior community angered by club fees
By Jason Massad, Tribune
January 6, 2007
Herman Lydiatte, 89, settled into a chair this week inside his modest east Mesa home in Dreamland Villa, his financial papers spread out on a portable table in the living room.
His wife, Margaret, 95, was away at the Mi Casa Nursing Center, and he seemed content that she was in good hands, even if doctors said her health was deteriorating and she would never come home again.
Lydiatte, wearing a striped shirt and blue chinos held up by suspenders, said each month’s stay for his wife costs $5,000 and that’s “cash on the barrelhead.” No payments.
“It doesn’t look too promising right now,” he said. “I’m canceling magazines and any other bills that I get besides taxes and gas.”
On top of his other financial headaches, Lydiatte needed some charity this week to pay a $92 bill to the Dreamland Villa Community Club.
He never agreed to be in the club and says he’s too old to use the neighborhood’s facilities, but was worried about the consequences of forfeiting.
“We’re paying his dues so he can relax a little bit,” said Cathy Ehninger, who has been leading the fight against the fees charged by the Dreamland Villa Community Club. “I think if he gets another bill he’s going to die. He’s so anxious and distraught about it.”
Lydiatte’s case isn’t unusual. Since 2003, neighbor-againstneighbor confrontations and lawsuits have become the norm in the sprawling Dreamland Villa, which draws retirees to the unincorporated area.
Last month, 39 court summonses filed by Dreamland attorney Charles Maxwell were delivered to residents for not paying annual dues — which could lead to liens on homes in default, and even foreclosure.
Joe Kuka, 78, who lives on Evergreen Street, recently received court documents stating he owed $769.30 in dues, legal fees, monthly penalties and interest for a club he said he doesn’t want.
“I pity the poor (person) who would come up and put a for-sale sign in front of my house,” Kuka said. “I worked hard for this house.”
The summonses were the latest in an ongoing legal feud that centers on changes three years ago to the 45-year-old neighborhood’s rules and restrictions.
Those rules now require around 1,400 homeowners to pay annual dues and will eventually include nearly all of the 3,000 homes in Dreamland Villa, which would generate hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for the Dreamland Villa Community Club.
The two elections that played a role in changing the neighborhood’s dues from voluntary to mandatory payments remain contentious.
Opponents of a 2003 election that helped create the dues claim that signature gatherers carried innocuous sheets of paper door-to-door under the guise of retaining the senior community’s 55-and-older designation, even though it was not in immediate jeopardy.
Steve Duncan, 68, remembered signing the petition to keep Dreamland Villa’s pool open. Mandatory dues were never mentioned, he said.
“They said that if we didn’t get 50 percent of our area we wouldn’t be able to swim,” he said. “The way they went about it sounded kind of weird.”
Opponents also contend that a 2004 vote to alter the nonprofit Dreamland Villa Community Club was rigged — partly because residents angered by the earlier election weren’t allowed to vote because they had stopped paying dues and were no longer considered members.
Ironically, those nonmembers will at some point be forced to join the club.
Harold Britton, 63, who lives seasonally in Dreamland Villa, recently received a court summons. He said the neighborhood suffered no financial crisis before the club imposed dues. Those who used the club, pool, billiards room and wood shop at North 55th Place paid dues. And those who didn’t use the amenities didn’t pay.
Britton and his 64-year-old wife, Janet, moved into the neighborhood to be close to her elderly parents. She said she suspects the club was changed to take advantage of people like her parents, who live on a limited income but pay the dues because they are asked to.
“My mom and dad have never been happier. This was the best years of their lives. And now this whole thing has put a new tone to the neighborhood,” she said.
Club officer Tana Ullmann and others associated with the club refused to comment and referred questions to Maxwell.
Maxwell said both of the elections in Dreamland Villa were valid. A lawsuit by Ehninger challenging the 2004 vote ended because she was not a club member.
Two years after the vote, Maxwell said he won’t release the 2004 ballots for review because “we’re not going to take the chance of anyone manipulating the documents or altering the votes.”
Maxwell describes the trouble in the neighborhood as the work of a small group of people who have advised their neighbors not to pay dues.
Such dues provide “fiscal predictability” for the club and are used to maintain an aging clubhouse and other needs of the large community.
But attorney fees likely will be part of the club’s upcoming budgeting. Maxwell requested $500 in legal fees for each summons that went out last month and said more fees will be added “in the event this matter proceeds to trial.”
Steve Cheifetz, a Scottsdale attorney, plans to represent residents who received the summonses and said he will likely challenge the fact that a majority of residents created what amounts to a homeowners association for everyone in Dreamland Villa.
He said it is very rare that an association is created after a development has been built. In a typical situation, “every homeowner has to agree” to an association when purchasing their home.
He said the widespread confusion surrounding the voting seems to raise ethical questions. “Anyone that’s doing this to elderly folks — well, it should be transparent,” he said. “Especially when you are dealing with people like this.”
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How in the world can you be happy in DV when others aren't and they are facing what they are facing. I myself can't be happy if I know that someone might lose their home because of this fiasco that could have been avoided if things had been left alone. DV had a good reputation but not anymore. Amazing what greed does to people.
Enjoy the potluck, the pool and what ever else but every once in a while think about the people that might loose their homes and where they might be forced to live or not live
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON MR m
FIGURE OF SPEACH ? DUH
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| R: you mentioned the rear veiw mirror! Sorry!
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BABLE ON AND ON AND ON AND ON
START ALL THE RUMORS YOU WANT IF THAT BLOWS YOUR SKIRT UP DUDE. I WILL LEAVE IF AND WHEN I CHOOSE, NOT YOU , NOT THE CLUB, ME.
GOT IT? DUH
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R: To see us in your rear view mirror means you will be in your mini suv driving away! Are you moving on to try to conquer and divide another community?
See how easy it is to start rumors?
Oh! I am so ashamed, I did a Dreamlandgarbageman thing! Sorry dude!
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON MR M,
I WILL BE HAPPY WHEN I SEE YOU AND YOUR BUNCH IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR. PARTY ON DUDES.
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R: Be Happy! Don't be such a Pucky mouth!
Enjoying Dreamland
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
BULL PUCKY! BULL PUCKY HORSE PUCKY HORSE PUCKY
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R: You are definetly no match for Billie T! She has a head start on you because she is living " Happy in Dreamland Villa!"
Have a nice day!
Enjoying Dreamland
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON,
WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT ? WHAT CAN WE POSSIBLY DO AND WOULD WANT TO DO? GUESS YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT ONE AND I AM SURE YOU WILL RAMBEL AND BABEL SOME GARBAGE AS THAT IS WHAT YOU DO BEST. sTILL DISSAPOINTED YOU ARE NOT BILLIE T, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MATCH !
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Dorothy7: Just like this site, agree with the gang or get yelled at, told to shut up, your an idiot, scum of the earth, low life and even called an MM. I am not MM whoever that is! Different club, same mentality! As experienced as you claim to be in life all of this should come as no surprise! Maybe it is a 1st for you!
A horse with a burr under the saddle can be very cantankerous! Remove the burr and he settles down. Just as this site did while I was gone for a couple of days last week!
R: I am not MM, so don't do anything rash to the wrong car, house or person! Not that the gang would!
Be Happy! Enjoying Dreamland
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BABEL ON AND ON AND ON AND ON,
YOU ARE BUSTED!!! WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, A MALE AND INITIALS OF mm, DO WE HAVE TO GO ON ? NOW GET WITH IT AND START THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE WRITTING, AT LEAST WE KNOW YOUR GENDER SIR AND WE KNOW YOUR CAR, YOUR HOUSE AND THE COLOR OF YOUR EYES. NOW HOW DO YOU LIKE MY BLUE FENCE?
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dorothy responds to Alas..."obey the rules and change the rules".
You mean before, or after that goofy bunch try to expel you? I have recordings of meetings in which the disruptive ones are yelling shut up! sit down. Move! Move! Move! Talking over the speaker. Insulting the speaker, clapping when the board insults the speaker, and shuts off the microphone. Shall I go on? You know MM, I really think you need to take a step back. Is there any injustice so extreme that you would find the courage to resist? Dorothy..
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Irishkid3:
Your Words Are Well Spoken, but I'm afraid, try as we may, that Alas just does not get the "Big Picture." It's either because of a lower IQ than us or he/she just won't admit that we all are justifiably correct in our statements.
Another good analogy is the fact that nobody from DVCC ever helped pay the mortages on our homes, so what in the hell gives them the right to secretively record deed-restrictions on what is ours and ours alone?
Also, the same can be said for the club's so-called legal authority to place liens on our homes. I sure hope these good 'ol boys and girls realize that somebody is going to be pushed a little too far, and then theses idiots will find out that what goes around comes around!
Have a great day!
Dreamlandman (as Irish as it gets)
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