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Posted: Tue May 8th, 2007 01:31 pm |
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But then again the Club likes to make their own rules as they go and they suck at that !
Just hold a Board meeting and old Morsotski will second anything and the rest of the bobble heads will vote yea on anything that is put before them. Not one of them has the back bone to stand up and be a hero for this community. Not one.
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Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 12:19 pm |
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More interesting still regarding the "rule" that utility trailers (No definition was offered as to what constitutes a Utility Trailer) and the confession by Jim Cook that the club cannot enforce the rule, and the County won't. As I mentioned on an earlier blog, James Fleschner asked the right question when he asked why pass a rule we can't enforce?
We are seeing a melt down in reason, logic and coherence of this board that is a marvel to observe.
When I wrote that Farnsworth Halls 4 bathrooms were not up to code for public use, the board denied it...over and over. Guess what? The Maintenance supervisor reported at the meeting that "All four bathrooms have to meet code before they can approve the work done on the kitchen." Who was telling the truth?
I also pointed out that the kitchen at Farnsworth needed major repairs and upgrades when the Board voted to fund 36 to 50 thousand to upgrade...get this...a Bocce Ball Court used by 52 members...ever...and took it out of the budgeted Emergency Fund without member approval.
That was Jim Cook and Maryanne Glauner's idea. The dues paid by members was spent to provide a facility for "The special Olympic kids!" (Not members, nor 55+!)
There can be no doubt that the only benefit residents of DV can possibly derive from club membership is to make use of the facilities. Of the 4,400 owners in DV the club can offer no more than 600 to make use of them at any one time.
Their pipe dreams of becoming an HOA are absurd. They cannot, and do not offer any benefit whatsoever to the 75% of owners who never use the facilities or attend any of their amateur night at follies productions.
Get a grip DVCC. Face reality, and stop trying to sell something you don't have. Dorothy7
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Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 12:24 am |
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Just finished reading the May edition of the Funny Paper, the Citizen, can you read the mins as published and passed and voted on without really getting your hackels up? Can you believe the gall to just pass and vote on whatever someone says hey lets do it , and walla, a new rule. Even when they want to keep us from having a utility trailer on our property.? Never mind if it is part of earning a living. Never mind if they just need to mind their own business. Never mind they are going against County ordinances. When they need to they will just call in their enforcer to write a violation and give you 20 days to correct it. Never mind all the nonsense. Oh and they appointed some new board members, never got vote one from any member in the club. Sure glad I am not a member or I would be steaming mad!
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: I mentioned that the new member Richard was active in the lapidary shop! So I am sure he is up to date on life in the community and the challenges of the people that disagree with the mandatory membership, HOA and the Club as a whole! They have been here 6 months so they have probably heard it all!
Enjoying Dreamland Dorothy responds: Lapidary? Isn't that special? Now we know who it is. The last I saw, 4 people...or 4 signatures of the same person had signed in to use the lapidary shop in the past months.
However: it does not logically follow that having an interest in rock polishing would enlighten one regarding the unlawful activities of the Board. You are slipping a few cogs these days, old sport. Dorothy7
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Posted: Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 01:44 pm |
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Dorothy7: I mentioned that the new member Richard was active in the lapidary shop! So I am sure he is up to date on life in the community and the challenges of the people that disagree with the mandatory membership, HOA and the Club as a whole! They have been here 6 months so they have probably heard it all!
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 03:50 pm |
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Babel Billie on and on and on,
Pay your bills ? Excuse me, everyone pays legal debts It is the off color ones that bug me ! You know like non profit social clubs like Nightmare Villa billing property owners for fees, interest and dues that they know are not legal debts. Did you bother telling the newcomers about that? Bet not, the old truth meter battery was dead! So on it goes and you continue to weave you web of deciet and hide behind being do gooders for all. Your a mean one Mr Grinch, you are your buddies at the club house.
PARTY ON DUDES
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 02:34 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Met a couple at the pot luck that just moved to Dreamland. They are very excited about the community and the amenities! He is already going full force in the lapidary shop, she is still getting settled in! They both retired last year and moved into Dreamland because of the quite, clean streets amd the facilities! Welcome new neighbors Richard and Pat!
Enjoying Dreamland Dorothy responds: Did the club rip you off for $250.00 for "transfer fees"? If so you been had already.
Did they tell you they have 28 cases pending in court at this time?
Did they tell you that they are trying to lien 39 of your neighbor's homes?
Did they tell you that they are NOT an HOA nor a planned community and have no legal authority to do any of the above?
That's just the recent unlawful acts this bunch has perpetrated against the owners of property in Dreamland Villa.
Did they tell you the headline in the Tribune was "DREAMLAND DOOMED"?
All this and pot luck...what more could you ask? Run, Richard. Run, Pat. Don't look back. Dorothy7
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R: You can respond to this, it is to you! As in any phase of our complicated society if you pay your way you are left alone. Try not paying your property taxes, you car license & taxes or income taxes and you will be confronted! Pay your bills and you to can be Happy in Dreamland!
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 01:48 pm |
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Yeah welcome Richard and Pat, just keep your checkbook handy for all the club wants out of you. Be happy like Babel Bille and do exactly as they tell you, but if you dare speak out against something they are trying to do, then you will feel the full rath of the bullies and intimidators. They can really be a piece of work and they are fast with the summons' and watch to see what the dues and assesments will be in the comming years if they make it that far. Welcome to Nightmare Villa !
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 01:42 pm |
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Met a couple at the pot luck that just moved to Dreamland. They are very excited about the community and the amenities! He is already going full force in the lapidary shop, she is still getting settled in! They both retired last year and moved into Dreamland because of the quite, clean streets amd the facilities! Welcome new neighbors Richard and Pat!
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 11:45 pm |
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Babel on and on and on,
Yeah, yeah we know you are happy in Nightmare Villa and going to the shows and pot lucks and dodging the issues.
MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP WILL NEVER BE THE ANSWER!
iT IS NOT AN HOA SO WHAT THE HECK IS IT ? hUMMM
GUESS OLD BATTERY BABEL BILLIE ON AND ON WILL HAVE SOMETHING CHOICE IN THE am? MAYBE NOT!
BET YOU A FISH DINNER AT JOHNS' NIGHTMARE VILLA RESTERAUNT NOT.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 02:17 pm |
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On the brighter side of the community: The Silver Creek youth show was great! Their tribute to America was filled with patriotic songs, history and dancing! The well rehearsed young people filled the hall with skits, vocal, instrumental and folk dances. Youngsters ages 4 up to 18 were a thrill to watch as they went through their roles. The audeince voiced their appreiation and praises to the children as they exited the hall. Another great show at Farnsworth and a chance for the youth to raise money for their trip.
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Dorothy7: How dare you challenge the lack of heroics by young men that have a gun pointed at them, YOU WROTE:::
My next thought was "Why didn't those young men in the classroom rush that guy and disarm him? At most, he could have killed a few."
"Why didn't they throw their books? He shot them as they sat and waited like lambs to the slaughter."
Michell's article asked the same questions.
and to compare them to a few unhappy disidents in our community is an example of your disturbed mentality. Dorothy you have just lost any credibility you ever had! I am sorry!
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 01:52 pm |
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No matter how they stir it, this mess still stinks! No one should be able to froce people to join a social club in America today. NO ONE ! That includes the Glauners, Cooks, Coles, Whites, Tapareos, Marotodoski, and all the rest that have only one agenda. SAVE THE CLUB. No matter the cost to the community of Elderly retired folks who only want to be left alone. You guys at the club started this mess and you will have nothing to say about the way it ends. You gave up that right when you filed on our deeds except section six. So stir on great club savers.
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: you wrote :::That is what the Board says...it is not what the open meetings statute says. They decided to make up another rules because Vicki was being donated the time of other members at meetings. They just could not handle that! However, I think if I were to really search the Statutes, I could put a stop to it. Dorothy7 P.S. Free speech is a difficult concept for the Board. Freedom of choice is another they simply cannot handle. We'll see about the rest. Maybe another unenforceable rule? What a bunch! They are a lot like the rest of us, they can't stand a lot of Bable, guestioning every thing we say or do! And so they did the kindess thing they could for the speakers & especially for the members present that had to set through some of our bable. Not everyone was interested in the same challange by you and Viki every meeting. We all understand the situation and are waiting for a settlement. But some of us are moving on with our lives until then. Really, Alas dear, is there a coherent thought in the above response? The Statutes (laws) govern the activities of the Board...you are waiting for the Statutes to change???? No such process is anticipated by legislature...at this time, or on the horizon.
At lot of babble is the phrase, "they did the kindess thing for the speakers and members who are not interested in hearing challenges to the board. Kindness has nothing whatever to do with a ham-handed attempt to silence dissent and you know it!
Michell Malkan (sp) had an article in the Republic this weekend about the killings in Virginia Tech. My first response, (as a grandmother of a college student) was, of course, to call and check to see whether they were alright. (One of our family is in the school of Engineering there, and is only 17 years old.) We were lucky.
My next thought was "Why didn't those young men in the classroom rush that guy and disarm him? At most, he could have killed a few."
"Why didn't they throw their books? He shot them as they sat and waited like lambs to the slaughter."
Michell's article asked the same questions. I guess like you, they were waiting for someone else to protect them. 32 young lives just gone...forever. You ever think you need to muster some spine and participate in stopping this unlawful assault by the Board on members rights? My challenges are based on the law that governs these arrogant and ignorant little martinets. I still do not have a list of rules the board alleges I have broken. I am waiting. They are required by the Statutes and their own rules to provide me with a written list of rules they allege I broke BEFORE taking any punitive actions against me or Vicki.
Sitting there waiting for someone else to force them to cease their unlawful acts is not kindness, dear Alas, it is just stupid and dangerous. Dorothy7
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 01:50 pm |
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Dorothy7: you wrote :::That is what the Board says...it is not what the open meetings statute says. They decided to make up another rules because Vicki was being donated the time of other members at meetings. They just could not handle that! However, I think if I were to really search the Statutes, I could put a stop to it. Dorothy7 P.S. Free speech is a difficult concept for the Board. Freedom of choice is another they simply cannot handle. We'll see about the rest. Maybe another unenforceable rule? What a bunch! They are a lot like the rest of us, they can't stand a lot of Bable, guestioning every thing we say or do! And so they did the kindess thing they could for the speakers & especially for the members present that had to set through some of our bable. Not everyone was interested in the same challange by you and Viki every meeting. We all understand the situation and are waiting for a settlement. But some of us are moving on with our lives until then.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 11:58 pm |
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: Weren't there 3 names on the list? 2 spoke, you declined, right? At the bottom of the agenda it explains the speakers regulation, right? No member will be permitted to use another members time allotment. That is what the Board says...it is not what the open meetings statute says. They decided to make up another rules because Vicki was being donated the time of other members at meetings. They just could not handle that! However, I think if I were to really search the Statutes, I could put a stop to it. Dorothy7 P.S. Free speech is a difficult concept for the Board. Freedom of choice is another they simply cannot handle. We'll see about the rest. Maybe another unenforceable rule? What a bunch!
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 01:23 pm |
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| Dorothy7" I was talking about Mr Mur at a business meeting, you are talking about Mr Max a a special called meeting! Different situations dear!
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Confused by Photo,
Going from left to right, is Patricia the first one or is that Janet? It could be Patricia is the one on the right, but then it could also be Janet? I know one thing for sure. That's definitely Eugene in the middle. I'd recognized that face anywhere.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 02:15 pm |
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YEAH AND YOU ARE SO HAPPY RIPPING OFF YOUR NEIGHBORS! HOW CAN YOU FIND THAT GRATIFYING IN ANY WAY ?
YOUR MYOPIC VISION OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN NIGHTMARE VILLA IS MOST INCREDIBLE, JUST LIKE YOUR POSTINGS.
NOTHING NOTTTA ZIP ZILCH
HAPPY TRAILS BABLE BILLIE
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Irishkid: But I am happy in my community, living the life I chose with my neighbors, friends and family! The grocery stores are full, I can drive anywhere I want, we have our health at the moment and have a nice home!
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| Dorothy7: Weren't there 3 names on the list? 2 spoke, you declined, right? At the bottom of the agenda it explains the speakers regulation, right? No member will be permitted to use another members time allotment.
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Alasss...you say that you are 'unknown'...I'm sure that must mean that you 'do not know'...you have our pity, especially since you are also 'un-educated', 'un-knowledgable', and (sorry) VERRRY...
'un-interesting'...alas, please keep your current status...too much 'more' un-info from/about you, will be un-pleasing to us...ct
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: I respond to everything you distort in your reporting, fair and balanced is what I believe in! You distort, I tell it how it is! If Mr M would speak for more than 3 minutes you would scream and holler to high heaven. 3 Min.. 3 Min. Time is up! And there were other speakers on the list to speak.
Beep Beeep Mr. M. spoke on Feb. 2, 2006 for 70 straight minutes! After he told me I could not speak, and Vicki could not speak and her attorney could not speak. I tape these meetings so that I can refute your claims of distortion with irrefutable facts. I have the tape. I heard the same blather again on June 8, 2006 from the same source. This time, Mr. Leckey told him to can it and several insisted on answers.
The Board claiming the authority to do something does not mean they cannot< as I stated earlier extend some respect for the will of the voting members and appoint those who have won election, or stood for election at the most recent elections. Big difference there, maybe you should apply to the News organization to which you refer. The other speaker on the list was me. I offered my 3 minutes to Petra. The Board refused to allow him to go on. Wake up Alas. You're falling off the edge of sanity. Dorothy7
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R: I am not the only unknown blogger on this site. So why do you insist only the opposition reveal their identity? We know why don't we?
Who knows the evil that learks in the darkness of mans mind? The solar powered truth detector does!
Remember the Silver Creek Academy show Weds night at 7:00PM. It is a fund raiser for the kids trip to DC. All proceeds go to the kids travel fund. Russian orphans ages 5 to 18 will be performing.
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STill not buying, if you are not Bille, then have the guts to say who you are ? Solar power or not, you still bable on and on and on and on and on and on. If you are always there at the club then you are a big part of the problem. You stink ! You are a bully and if you had the courage to state your identity then you too could receive the nice magazines and stuff. You would enjoy some of the things we have encountered. But then, you are a coward so everything you beep is for naught.
PARTY ON DUDES
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R: One difference in the things I say, I was there and when Doroty says things are black when they are white I will call her on it. You sit at home having no idea what happened and act like you do! So until you witness it 1st hand don't act like you know what is going on! A good example of your not knowing, I am not Billie! So if you are wrong on this simple fact, how many other facts are you wrong on?
Beep Beep (solar powered, doesn't need batteries)
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Dorothy,
Have you noticed? You say it is black and Bable on and on says it is white. You say it is grey and Babel on and on wears out the batteries trying to convince us it is blue and on and on and on it goes. Will this knot head ever say anything worth while ?
Doubt it >
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Dorothy7: you failed to mention that board members were replaced legaly according to the bylaws... was that intentional? You have a way putting things that implys wrong doings! That is the National News Media syndrone!
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Dorothy7: I respond to everything you distort in your reporting, fair and balanced is what I believe in! You distort, I tell it how it is! If Mr M would speak for more than 3 minutes you would scream and holler to high heaven. 3 Min.. 3 Min. Time is up! And there were other speakers on the list to speak.
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Gee I think old Bable Bille and her batteries are running low, low on fuel and low on sense. They are so happy in Nightmare Villa watching their neighbors get the shaft. Better than bingo I guess. And when they really get bored, they kick two or three out of the Club untill of course their sections go mandatory and then they can start paying the mandatory dues again. Cold day in Arizona. Yep the batteries and the brain are goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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beep....beeeeep...bee.....dorothy responds: Alas, alas. Now you have foregotten Mr. Leckey, Mr. Carpenter, and Mr. Grammer...they all stood for election and were elected...by more votes than most of the sitting board...but, Mr. Leckey had a family emergency and missed one meeting. A member moved, and was replaced by a member who had never even run for election...guess why? Because they were considered to be more loyal to the Board. (Who cares about the democratic process? Not the Board.)
You are not interest in a conversation, or dialogue are you Alas? You really want to ignore past actions of these dishonest, spiteful, covetous and vicious people on the board and their cohorts who are trying run an extortion racket here in Nightmare's ville AZ.
No, I and the overwhelming majority of other DV residents will not be hob nobbing at the club houses with you people who eat dirt to be accepted by that bunch, instead of thinking for yourself. It's been fun. Dorothy7
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R: Good to see you HAPPY about something! But we did have a great time, wish you would have been there to enjoy the program!
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Babel Billie,
Oh did it rain on your party last night ? So Sorry !
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Dorothy7: Beep Beep Beep you said: We don't vote because we have no candidates to vote for. The Board recruits and appoints only those who agree to support the scam perpetrated by the board and their attorney.
The nominations are taken from any member that approches the nominating committee through out the year prior the election. You are caught again decieving, on last years list you said there was one good canidate, why didn't they get the votes needed to get on the board?
This week they appointed a replacement and you complained on how they did it, last year they took nominations from the floor to replace a vacancy & you complained!
Wake up! The world and Dreamland Villa doesn't revolve around what Dorothy wants! Beep Beep Beep
Talking about brave people in Dreamland, don't forget the Board members that are under the pressure of trying to keep Community running smoothly while getting beat up by a few unhappy, disgruntled residents!
Great show last night at Farnworth Community Theater, the weather kept a few people away and what a surprise when we opened the doors after the show and saw the down pour!
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: Dorothy responds: You simply overlook the inescapable fact that the overwhelming majority of owners in DV want nothing to do with the club! It puts the lie to all the bluster of your mouthpiece and boards about protecting the will of the majority, doesn't it?
You go on to assume that only 400 of 4,400 are happy in Dreamland...Most of us are so disgusted with the antics of this club that we simply ignore it...as long as that silly board allows us to do so.
Then, of course, you decided to resort to liening their property and threatening them with foreclosure...which means taking their property...does it not? Nice guys. Who'd want to mingle socially with a bunch of thieves like that?
Then why don't they vote? You been around long enough and you end up with maybe 40 that you have scared into taking legal action against their neighbors!
It reminds me of the division in our country that the left blames on Bush when they are the ones that challeged the 2000 election results & lost! And they have hated then man ever since and they have done every thing in their power to see that he doesn't succed. AND then they say he divided the country!
Who is it hating the Board & the Club, whose is it dividing the communtiy? Who is it taking it to the courts? Those that didn't get what they wanted. Now that it is in the courts whose it still out there scaring and decieving people and dividing?
Not those that are enjoying their 55+ overlay, ammenities, friends and neighbors!
Enjoying Dreamland.
Dorothy responds again: Please Alas, drive a stake into the lie that the club provides the Senior Overlay...neither does mandatory dues...the County provides this exemption from the laws forbidding discriminating for reasons of age to those communities who have 80% of the resident owners over 55 on request.
We don't vote because we have no candidates to vote for. The Board recruits and appoints only those who agree to support the scam perpetrated by the board and their attorney. If you're so sure you have a majority: PRINT UP COPIES OF SADR. MAIL THEM TO ALL OWNERS. THOSE WHO WISH TO BE A PART OF AN HOA CAN SIGN SADR. THOSE WHO DO NOT, WILL NOT SIGN. YOU CAN THEN HAVE A LEGAL HOA MADE UP OF THE SIGNATORIES...THE LAW SAYS THAT TO CHANGE AN EXISTING DECLARATION A MINIMUM OF 67% OF ALL OWNERS MUST AGREE TO IT IN WRITING. OUR ATTORNEYS...DVCC TOLD US THAT 100% APPROVAL WOULD BE NECESSARY IN A DEVELOPMENT THIS OLD. Everyone's happy...not just the thieves and liars. Dorothy7
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Dorothy7: Dorothy responds: You simply overlook the inescapable fact that the overwhelming majority of owners in DV want nothing to do with the club! It puts the lie to all the bluster of your mouthpiece and boards about protecting the will of the majority, doesn't it?
You go on to assume that only 400 of 4,400 are happy in Dreamland...Most of us are so disgusted with the antics of this club that we simply ignore it...as long as that silly board allows us to do so.
Then, of course, you decided to resort to liening their property and threatening them with foreclosure...which means taking their property...does it not? Nice guys. Who'd want to mingle socially with a bunch of thieves like that?
Then why don't they vote? You been around long enough and you end up with maybe 40 that you have scared into taking legal action against their neighbors!
It reminds me of the division in our country that the left blames on Bush when they are the ones that challeged the 2000 election results & lost! And they have hated then man ever since and they have done every thing in their power to see that he doesn't succed. AND then they say he divided the country!
Who is it hating the Board & the Club, whose is it dividing the communtiy? Who is it taking it to the courts? Those that didn't get what they wanted. Now that it is in the courts whose it still out there scaring and decieving people and dividing?
Not those that are enjoying their 55+ overlay, ammenities, friends and neighbors!
Enjoying Dreamland.
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Boy howdy Dorothy,
you are correct about the elections and voting process over at the Nightmare Villa social club. I talked with a friend from Sunland Villa, another Farnsworth development, and they had much trouble with their elections until they found out the Maricopa County would oversee the voting for a nominal fee of about three hundred bucks. Which is chump change for this bunch of high rollers, anyway the County comes in with officials, ballotts, get this , pre numbered. Have you ever seen that a Nightmare villa elections? And the tabulation is done by the county , not a bunch of good old boys in a closed room. So the challange is for the members of this Club, ask for the elections next year to be run by the County. Do you think it would ever happen?
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Dear Alas: Please stop comparing the board and the candidates they select with the processes that result in a general election in this Republic. The boards select the candidates..then they describe them in the Citizen, and propagandize them in any way they choose because no one else is allowed to campaign for election in the bulletin the club publishes primarily for its own benefit. We do not have free speech, or free elections or a free press in DV.
Only the board's opinions are ever published...and even the board members who may disagree with the permanent gaggle of wannabe country clubbers, are not allowed to express their disagreements in the Citizen.
Mr. Sheppard was very angry when he resigned. You'll never see a hint of it in the Citizen. Judy Ford's heart was broken when she resigned...who knew? Why do you think the club is basically ignored by the overwhelming majority of residents? They have no credibility..that's why.
I sincerely believe that most of the people who serve a term or two on the board are so disgusted by this gang of theives they simply stay clear of them...and live their lives as they wish. I am hoping you will become a bit more attentive, and consider some of the rest of us...before you're in too deep.
The truly discerning people do not spend time with this Board. Dorothy7
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Babel Billie,
NOT MY MOTHER !
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alasbabylon wrote: Dorothy7: Your saying 400 people represent the community is true just as 10 million people representing 300 million people in our country. You know it is a fact that the active voters represent those that don't care enough to go vote. SO DON"T BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE! Blame those that don't!
It is amazing how those that are active, get out to vote and support their community are the ones that are Happy in Dreamland.
Think if you took your Mom to see the Silver Creek kids show she would enjoy it? And it would help the kids!
Enjoyingn Dreamland
Dorothy responds: You simply overlook the inescapable fact that the overwhelming majority of owners in DV want nothing to do with the club! It puts the lie to all the bluster of your mouthpiece and boards about protecting the will of the majority, doesn't it?
You go on to assume that only 400 of 4,400 are happy in Dreamland...Most of us are so disgusted with the antics of this club that we simply ignore it...as long as that silly board allows us to do so.
Then, of course, you decided to resort to liening their property and threatening them with foreclosure...which means taking their property...does it not? Nice guys. Who'd want to mingle socially with a bunch of thieves like that? Not MY MOTHER!
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Babel Bille,
Concerned Citizens and friends are not the ones causing all the heart ache and grief, IT IS THE CLUB, BOARD AND PRESIDENTS! They started this mandatory membership, they hired the attorney, they sign and serve the summons', they are the ones who attached our deeds with a vile contract without our permission or vote. THE CLUB STARTED IT ! Not Concerned Citizens, but we are taking the fight to them and hope they enjoy it ! Thanks goodness we live in a country of free speech and thoughts. Clubs like this one would take away all individual freedoms if they could. But they can't. So be it.
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Dorothy7: You mention your Mom's reaction to what is going on in the community, if my Mom were alive and I explained the situation from where I am, she would say why are those people ( Concerned Citizens and dissidents) causing all of the heart ache and scaring the elderly and sick by telling them the Club is going to take their property and kick them out of their homes?
So you see it all depends on the source, but the truth is absolute.
You know I am crazy already, but what I do as I talk to people is I tell both sides of the issue ( leaving out hearsay & rumors ) and then let them decide. I don't want the resposibility of missleading a person.
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Dorothy7: Your saying 400 people represent the community is true just as 10 million people representing 300 million people in our country. You know it is a fact that the active voters represent those that don't care enough to go vote. SO DON"T BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE! Blame those that don't!
It is amazing how those that are active, get out to vote and support their community are the ones that are Happy in Dreamland.
Think if you took your Mom to see the Silver Creek kids show she would enjoy it? And it would help the kids!
Enjoyingn Dreamland
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There is one huge flaw in Mr Cook's statement, they will never be an HOA ! They don't have section six or will they ever convince those folks to join in the mandatory membership. They were stonewalled and failed. So you see, unless and untill all sections have voted there can be no HOA. They know, the lawyers know it so why do they continue to try ? Guess it is the money they swear alegiance to. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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My sins are legion, as are those of others...our differences seem to reside in acceptance of responsibility to reject those we discover, and repent of them. I say no more on that subject, or the Letter.
My mother asks me every time if I am going over there (to Read Hall) the first Tuesday, and the second Tuesday of every month. I respond that I must. That if I submit to their injustices and threats they will be encouraged to steal more and more and more from us and our neighbors.
She asked me: "What must those people tell themselves about doing these terrible things to their old sick neighbors?"
I have tried my best to answer that question for myself. Today, I listened to, and taped the DVCC oath of office. It is a very bizarre thing. James Fleschner stood before them and in solemnity swore that he would be loyal to the board, and enforce the provisions of SADR, and do something for club members. (the words are garbled at the part about club members).
The bizarre part is that each of those people represent a constituency. Half their constituency does not favor SADR. So, we have all those poor people in the so-called mandatory sections getting conned out of money they don't owe to a club that is not a planned community nor an association.
Yet only 400 of over 3,000 members voted for these folks...(if that many, since they will not answer how many "absentee ballots" they counted to arrive at their totals.
Remember, in the majority of sections absentee ballots cannot be cast because they were never approved by the majority of two-thirds of members as required.
Alas, dear Alas, the truth is difficult to cope with, but it is easy to define in this case. To quote Mr. James Cook, "We won't be an HOA until 2012...". Dorothy7
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Babel Billie,
Billie never served on the board, she was the president. You were at the hearing at Justice court the other day so we pretty much know who you are. You prefer to hide? Ok so be it, but everything you write and say is discounted 75% because you choose to hide. You know where I live, what color my fence is and when my Palm tree gets trimmed. So how fair is that ? But hide like the bug you are and continue being happy in Nightmare villa. Your barages at Dorothy can only be from someone who has an ax to grind, like the letter ? See you later bug person.
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