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Dorothy7
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 Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 11:58 am
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averymatte wrote: Irishkid

I don't argue,  I post the other side of the stories the dissidents post.   If 1/2 of the facts are posted I post the other 1/2 so the truth is known.

I mention again " If 59 % of residents in the nonmadatory sections paid dues and joined the Club" why is it so difficult to think the majority of the residents wanted mandatory membership?

I usually ask questions if you scroll down the sites.  Get very few answers, just mumble jumble!

dorothy7 responds:

Where have you been Avery?  On vacation?  I've had a lot of fun with the Penn. Primary...and writing to the Trib'....you may have a response???
Dorothy7

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Irishkid

I don't argue,  I post the other side of the stories the dissidents post.   If 1/2 of the facts are posted I post the other 1/2 so the truth is known.

I mention again " If 59 % of residents in the nonmadatory sections paid dues and joined the Club" why is it so difficult to think the majority of the residents wanted mandatory membership?

I usually ask questions if you scroll down the sites.  Get very few answers, just mumble jumble!

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Dearest Avery...how about meeting for a cup of coffee, or a coke...I need to meet you...I have never met a person who likes to argue...just for arguments sake...like you do...just stop & think...if even a 'few' elder residents, who don't understand/want what the verrry few 'members' of the Bored of 'recktors' want', doesn't it raise questions?...'that we ought to 'QUESTI0N?' what that verrry small 'minority'...is trying to do...to us...the Majority!...???...Dorothy is doing the best that she can to educate you...but that is not our 'job'...it is up to you to find out the truth...we are willing...more than willing to try to help you...but that does not mean getting into an arguement every time we sign on line...all we can do is give you the facts ...as we 'KNOW' them...& let you find out just 'who' is telling you the real truth......& just who wants their own controlled environment...at the cost of everyone else...after all...we all bought the same size lot...for all practical purposes...and the same 'air-space'...and probably about the same money...give or take a 'buck or two'...ct 

...Good Nite...Averrry!...ct

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averymatte wrote: Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy

The pen can be poison and you are a master at it's use.   So be careful " The truth is absolute "  and each person is responsible for themselves in searching and finding the Truth!  A person can trust someone else to reveal what they think but if they are wrong that person is responsible to the Truth!
I cannot imagine what this means...Good night Avery.

 

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Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy

The pen can be poison and you are a master at it's use.   So be careful " The truth is absolute "  and each person is responsible for themselves in searching and finding the Truth!  A person can trust someone else to reveal what they think but if they are wrong that person is responsible to the Truth!

 

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Dorothy,

My father in law has a house in section 6 and from what I've read here he seems to be safe from this stuff. He recently showed me a notorized document that the section 6 people put together to further insure this, but he was not clear on this. Would you be so kind as to  explain to me the current section 6 situation in detail?

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AVERY:  FOR A FEW MOMENTS TRY TO CLEAR YOUR MIND.  I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT THE BOARD COULD NOT AND DID NOT OBTAIN A MAJORITY OF OWNERS SUPPORT FOR THE SECOND AMENDED DECLARATION OF RISTRICTIONS (SADR) BECAUSE THE SIGNATORIES...(THOSE WHO SIGNED) WERE UNAWARE OF THE TERMS THEREIN PRIOR TO SIGNING.
WITHOUT THE SIGNATURES, THE BOARD ACHIEVED NOTHING.
DESPITE YOUR PERSONAL WISHES TO SIEZE CONTROL OF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND TO LIEN THEM IF THEY REFUSE TO MEET YOUR DEMANDS TO PAY FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT, SO THAT YOU CAN BE "HAPPY IN DREAMLAND", THE FACTS ARE STILL THE FACTS.
THE BOARD HAD AN OPTION...THEY CHOSE TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOALS BY DECEIT AND MISREPRESENTATION....INSTEAD OF
MAILING ALL OWNERS IN DV A COPY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THEIR ORIGINAL DECLARATIONS, ADMITTING IN THE CITIZEN THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CREATE A HOA, AND WANTED THE POWER TO FINE, LIEN AND FORECLOSE ON THE OWNER'S PROPERTY, THEY LIED...EQUIVOCATED...MISLEAD AND ABUSED THE TRUST OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT (1995) ABOUT WHICH YOU COMPLAINED AS BEING LOST, HAS HAD NO EFFECT, AND COULD NOT BE ENFORCED...AND NEVER WAS.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED LONG AGO. 
SO, YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED...REPEATEDLY...
THE DEAF OLD LADY COULD BE LIENED AS HAVE 40 OF HER NEIGHBORS ANY TIME THE BOARD VOTES TO LIEN HER.  PATRICIA WERRE MADE THE MOTION TO LIEN THOSE OWNERS (ALL OF WHOM ARE MANDATORY MEMBERS, ACCORDING TO THE CLUB).

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
HOW MUCH OF THE CLUB'S DUES WILL YOU ALLOW TO BE SPENT ON ATTORNEY'S FEES NOW THAT IT IS APPARENT THAT THE MAJORITY YOU CLAIM IN THE SECTIONS DOES NOT EXIST? 
ACCORDING TO THE PRONOUNCEMENTS OF THE QUEEN OF UTOPIA AND HER LITTLE BAND OF SUPPORTERS, THE CLUB HAS RUN SMACK DAB OUT OF MONEY. 
WHAT IS THE TOTAL OF ALL MAXWELL'S FEES SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS SCHEME?
$100,000.00??? MORE?
WE ARE CRUISING TOWARD A "SPECIAL ASSESSMENT" IF THIS BATTLE GOES ON, AND IT WILL, UNTIL AND UNLESS THE OWNERS PUT A STOP TO THIS HIGH HANDED CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY BY A FEW COMPULSIVE BUSY BODIES.  DOROTHY7
P.S.  THE WEEDS BETWEEN UNIVERSITY AND HIGLEY ARE ABUNDANT AND OVER THE 10 INCH LIMIT.   

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And you failed to answer the questions, even the one, how could a lien be put on her property?

You skirt the questions and spout a bunch of mumble jumble in order to confuse the readers!  Just as the petitioners did with their scare tatics.

Tsk  Tsk

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averymatte wrote: Dorothy

As usual you never answer the question I ask you!

" nonmembers (you called them owners) couldn't vote in a Club issue ! Is this true?

The Board couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The Club couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The majority of the residents are the only ones that could!  Is this true?"

 

Here is a fact, a  deaf older women, Long time member of the Club, signed Vicki's petition! ( after a couple of visits )   She was told that a lien would be put on her property!  She didn't want a lien on her house.  Now,  how would a lien be put on a persons property?  As I talked to her she had no idea, but the word Lien frightened her!  She didn't understand the petition would have made all ammendments back to 1986 null and void ! 
Precisely right on the effects of the Amendment.  It would have removed the First Amendment (the only other amendment to our Original Declaration) because as you should know, the First Amendment was flawed, and could not be enforced, and never has been.
It should have taken note that it was superflous...No private entity can discriminate against anyone because of their age without the Senior Overlay being granted by the County of Maricopa first
The Senior Overlay is an exemption from the 1989 Federal Fair Housing Act.
So, the only Amendment on the Deeds as we speak that may be enforceable in the future...(that will be decided when the Court's have finally spoken) is The Second Amended Declaration of Restrictions. (The one that was filed by fraud and duplicity.)

Obviously, YOU were propagandizing a deaf woman with faulty info.  Tsk Tsk.  Dorothy 7
 

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Dorothy

As usual you never answer the question I ask you!

" nonmembers (you called them owners) couldn't vote in a Club issue ! Is this true?

The Board couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The Club couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The majority of the residents are the only ones that could!  Is this true?"

 

Here is a fact, a  deaf older women, Long time member of the Club, signed Vicki's petition! ( after a couple of visits )   She was told that a lien would be put on her property!  She didn't want a lien on her house.  Now,  how would a lien be put on a persons property?  As I talked to her she had no idea, but the word Lien frightened her!  She didn't understand the petition would have made all ammendments back to 1986 null and void !  

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averymatte wrote: Dorothy

Would you seperate VOTE ( Ballot)    from SIGNATURE.   Would you mention the form that was put in your favorite paper ( The Citizen ) that residents could fill out and take to the office if they wanted to change their mind about the issue.

Reason  : nonmembers (you called them owners) couldn't vote in a Club issue ! Is this true?

The Board couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The Club couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The majority of the residents are the only ones that could!  Is this true?

According to Club reciepts, residents that challenged the issue are now paying back monies owed,  fees, interest according to Court decisions!

Lets not get into the horror stories of the canvassing in those sections you mentioned.  Badge flashing, your favorite tactic, claims that they are recording conversations.  I know that was just one person but it sounds better if I leave that FACT out.  1/2 trurh!   And we won't mention who that person was with!

Here is something that may help all of us!
My favorite tactic?  You truly are delusional...I did not take part in either the canvassing of the Sections nor I suspect, did you...even though, you have chosen to argue your case anonymously...

I have discussed the matter with my friend Vicki...whom I understand was one of the canvassers, and I get another story entirely. 

She tells me that she was accosted on two separate occasions by club and board members as she proceeded door to door, and that the maker of the motion to lien, (Patricia Werre) and her husband Roger accosted her on the street, and someone called the authorities...who informed the Werre's that they should stop interfering with the legal canvass of owners.  Furthermore, after some long, involvled checking with others, I have found that no tickets were issued, and so I can only conclude that "my favorite tactic" 1.  Did not occur. or 2. did not constitute a violation.

I really do wish you would cite an example of my "flashing a badge".  Was it the time I was threatened with arrest at the Nominations meeting in January 2004 by the club's attorney?

Or, was it the time I entered a Board meeting as the representative of an absent member? (this time the law enforcement officer stated clearly that I had not violated the law, and the Board should stop calling him.)

Perhaps it was the time I appeared (again as a representative of an absent member) and a Board Member sat down beside me and announced that I was about to be arrested for criminal trespass?  (this time, within seconds the Board had appeared and announced that I did not have to date each written appointment by the absent member?  And that I could stay?)

I have also found that one of the homeowners who signed during that petition drive was contacted by a board member and told to rescind his signature...he refused...

Am I to conclude that the Board now favors granting rescissions to those who want their names off that cursed fraud they have perpetrated, and that all those lawsuits they have filed have resulted in some who gave in to their threats to take their homes?  Really Avery, why in the world would they do that? A change of heart, or terror? 

I have been insisting for nearly 4 years now that the Board cannot do any of the things about which you inquire...They have violated the rights of everyone who signed without first receiving copies of the amendments they were asked to approve...sight unseen...that, Avery is a fraud.

I have obtained copies of the amendments proposed by Vicki.  She provided copies of the existing means to amend..in the Original Declarations, and the proposed amendment.  It included the fact that the amendment would be attached to the owners' deeds.  And a clearly stated description of the effect the passage of that amendment would have.

That is the legal way to accomplish an amendment.   Dorothy7

P.S.  I have separated the ballots and forged copies of proxies from the signatures, doing so has proven the case against the conduct of that meeting.  



 









Cute !

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Would you seperate VOTE ( Ballot)    from SIGNATURE.   Would you mention the form that was put in your favorite paper ( The Citizen ) that residents could fill out and take to the office if they wanted to change their mind about the issue.

Reason  : nonmembers (you called them owners) couldn't vote in a Club issue ! Is this true?

The Board couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The Club couldn't make Membership mandatory!  Is this true?

The majority of the residents are the only ones that could!  Is this true?

According to Club reciepts, residents that challenged the issue are now paying back monies owed,  fees, interest according to Court decisions!

Lets not get into the horror stories of the canvassing in those sections you mentioned.  Badge flashing, your favorite tactic, claims that they are recording conversations.  I know that was just one person but it sounds better if I leave that FACT out.  1/2 trurh!   And we won't mention who that person was with!

Here is something that may help all of us!

 









Cute !

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Dear Avery:

Again, your facts are incomplete and misleading.  To begin, a majority of owners did not vote to be forced into an HOA.  A majority have never voted, or been asked to vote on that proposition...precisely because the club failed to mail out copies of the 17 pages of a "contract" to which they were agreeing, nor is there any mention on the "petition" that the board would acquire the powers to lien, foreclose and evict owners if they could not (or would not) pay ANY ASSESSMENT the Board might decide to levy for repairs, expansion, improvement or for any other reason the board may find desireable..

By the time a vote was taken among club members only to encumber the property of all DV homeowners in January 2004 where actual ballots would be cast by club members, the club had lost its majority through those who had begged to have their signatures removed from the "petition" that had been represented only as "an attempt to save the club, the Senior Overlay, or to keep Mexicans from moving into the Villa".

By the time these amendments were presented at the January 13, 2004 Annual Nominations Meeting, the amendments failed to pass by the required majority...(2/3 majority)...

After it became apparent that they had lost, Mr. Maxwell cast as votes, only in the affirmative, 404 petition signatures.  Guess what?  MANY OF THOSE SIGNATURES THAT WERE CAST AS YES VOTES WERE PRESENT AND CAST BALLOTS VOTING "NO".

Many more waited to cast ballots outside, in line for nearly two hours before Mr. Maxwell came outside, crawled up on a chair and told them to go home...that they would not be allowed inside, nor given ballots with which to rescind their signatures or cast their ballots.  (I was not outside because I was being threatened with arrest for trying to cast 114 negative proxies...)
The most conservative estimate of the numbers waiting I have heard from both the Board members and other members who tried to get inside is a couple of hundred who were sent away.


RECENTLY, various homeowners in Sections 15, 6, and 9 have canvassed their sections...guess what?  The club does not have a majority in favor of an HOA right now.  I have seen the signatures and affidavits, so please save your breath denying it.

The Courts HAVE NOT RULED what you allege...Vicki went to court to obtain copies of the ballots cast, and the signatures cast as ballots, and proxies cast...and guess what?  They tell a vastly different story than you are alleging.  No Court has not yet filed a judgement in this matter as of Thursday morning this week. 

Sorry Avery, but you're adrift in a sea of IGNORANCE OF THE FACTS AND FALSEHOODS...Dorothy7

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Where are you coming from?

The ballots didn't make membership mandatory!  The Board couldn't make membership mandatory, the Club couldn't make membership mandatory! 

Only the MAJORITY of the residents could and according to the court rulings to date that is what happened! 

 There were no ballots involved, it was a door to door, getting signatures!  If you weren't home, if you didn't answer your door and if the volunteers had the needed signatures to pass the issue they moved on!  So yes, not every home was approached! 

 If you have enough that approved, the no's wouldn't have made a differance!

 

And FYI, Copies of the only ballots ever contested in this issue are now in the hands of Vicki W. 

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WELL THEN...JUST SHOW US THE BALLOTS...sounds verrry simple to US!!!  And then we will go back to gardening, fishing, bowling, picnicking, etc...ct

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If I understand your mumble jumble ---  Why?  

50% + 1    =      majority!

Last count, 59% of the nonmandatory sections paid their dues!  Why would they volunteer?   Maybe that they are enjoying living in Dreamland Villa!  Maybe they moved here because of the amenities!    Could that be? ? ?

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'Averey, dearest'...please get settled in your 'favorite chair, turn on your oxygen...& your most favorite 'soap opera'...after 30 minutes or so, please take time to read this , 'slowly & calmly...now relax & read this...Why doesn't your club act in a sensible manner...???

#1...they want to up date their 'pride & joy' 'group facilities'...here is a rational look at the 'problem' & the 'solution'...

#2...there are an x number of home owners who want the facilities to be a 'valued' part of their investment & their life...

#3...there are an x number of home owners who don't give a damm about your 'valued' part of your investment...or their investment in 'club' facilities...

(Remember 2x = 100% of all DLV 'residents'.)

#4...Have your board, members, employees, lawyers, etc., Plus any & all wanna-be 'HOA' 'members'...canvas the entire(EVERY HOME OWNER) in DLV...buy for 1$, 'ALL RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, ENCUMBRANCES, ETC to ALL DLVCC equipment, facilities, land, etc('real property, thoughts, ideas, exercise, 'big headedness'...whatever else comes with belonging to 'thee' COUNTRY CLUB(If you don't have the $, I am sure that most, if not all would probably give you the dollar to 'seal' the deal.  

Then you & your group, could paint it whatever color you want,  sell memberships to who ever you want, maybe even buy the golf course back...and then you could also sell memberships to ANYBODY, FROM ANYWHERE, FOR ALL THAT THE INTEREST WOULD ALLOW...and you'all could be 'CHARTER MEMBERS'... & 'strut' around the course, scaring the hell out of anybody who just happens to take a walk across the 'pretty green grass'!...ct, and 'everyone' lived happy forever on...

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Was your  property  seized without compensation or notice, or without your knowledge and consent? 


Just answer the question!      

I didn't think so!  So why do you claim it was?    Maybe your personal vendetta is getting the best of you!

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You claim  ""       ."  My property was seized without compensation or notice, or with my knowledge and consent.  I will not tolerate that.  Dorothy   


Is this one of your stories you are so famous for making up?   I think so! ! !

Check it out yourself Avery...the proofs are all there...past issues of the Citizen reveal a pattern of lies, half truths and pure deception regarding the goals of the few that are now claiming they are beloved by one and all. 
Recent canvassing in the Sections, voluntary and forced membership, reveals (once the owner is convinced you're not a representative of the club) an entirely different story...not only are you not beloved, you are despised and feared throughout the Villa because of your thuggish tactics in extorting money from folks who cannot, or will not pay.
If you count the numbers who attend meetings...even the set-up performances by the board...no more than 500 of over 4,400 owners ever show up...if they do, like at the January 13, 2004 fraud...they'll not be allowed inside.  Dorothy7

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You claim  ""       ."  My property was seized without compensation or notice, or with my knowledge and consent.  I will not tolerate that.  Dorothy   


Is this one of your stories you are so famous for making up?   I think so! ! !

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I apologize for the late response.  I live on the corner of 56th St. (one house East of Read Hall), with a bus stop across University.  From time to time, the riders take my copy of the Independent to read while waiting...At the early hour, in the dark these riders are either going to work, or going home from an all night shift...I haven't the heart to go over and demand they return it.  These people are real American Heroes in my book, and keep the old wheels turning in our economy, and quality of life.

Now, as to Mr. Swanson's letter.  
He is in error about the burning desire to keep the club in business by the owners of property in Dreamland.

1.  There is no mention in the Original Declaration to our property that we signed when we bought our home of a club, corporation, or any obligation to, or benefit therefrom.

2.  Those people (about 100 or less according to attendance) who have an interest in the clubhouses, and the pools etc. should be allowed to join up and pay for the benefits they perceive to be beneficial to them. 

3.  The club houses were of no concern to me or my mother when we bought our home...none.  We are too busy to spend time over there, and would not belong at all if they had kept their hands off our property.

4.  The club's scheme's to reorganize this development after 45 years, into a mandatory HOA by stealth, misrepresentation, and bluster was finally exposed when they filed lawsuits against 40 owners in only four of the eighteen sections that comprise this very large development.  This is an obvious attempt to intimidate all the owners who do not wish to pay for a club they do not use, nor wish to support. 

5.  These irresponsible and deceitful acts have cost the club thousands of dollars in attorney's fees, and growing.  Why isn't their insurance paying the bill?  After years of lying "This club will never lien Dreamland Property"....for example. may be one reason. 

6.  The claims that the "facilities increase property values" is provably a myth.  If the owners of property here had lost interest in the club it follows that the property it owns should have been sold, or leased to someone who was interested in running it for profit.  There was no precedent for the action they took, and I am convinced that ultimately they will be forced to remove their false claims of interest in Dreamland Property.

Finally Kirk, the reality is that all our personal desires are subject to the rights of our neighbors to live "secure in their persons and property from unlawful seizures and searches."  My property was seized without compensation or notice, or with my knowledge and consent.  I will not tolerate that.  Dorothy   

 

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When you are talking about the 'dissidents'...you are NOT talking about a 'minority'...IF anyone would be interested in knowing "who is & who ain't", in anything involving this community, the FIRST thing that should be done is  an advertising or publication TO ALL RESIDENTS, not just members of the 'BORED/BOARD'S intention on each project, or even what they would like...I know that this a VERRY unyielding situation...with a small board, many more 'sections', containing mannny more residents...but try on these 'minorities'(facts until prov-en negative...like all else in this development)...

1- The Board & supporting 'majority' they are bragging about is actually...a MINORITY!...

2- Couples are actually a 'minority'...due to age & passing...

3- The Board...& all their votes/voters...are a 'minority...

4- '55' is a minority...probably all the way up to 70(just guessing)...

5- In the last 25/30 years, residents couldn't care less if we have the facilities, when they buy/bought...most people today have an insurance policy that furnishes us with a nice, well staffed, well equipped Gym a &/or pool...& not one that is run down from lack of use & care, for many years now...it should have been kept up on a 'daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis... instead of allowing it to get in the shape that it is...& then trying to sell it as an asset...You'all who use it, want it, and want this HOA...think about it...JUST IF...every 'resident(without friends/guests/family involved with it)were to come to any kind of a meeting, (say nothing of having a bunch of exercise equipment setting around in the way)...all it would show up is the real fact the 'REAL' minorities in this development...

 

ARE THE BOARD, THE 'OFFICE', THE HOA, & THE PEOPLE WHO THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA...OR are not willing to do anything but what their neighbor says...ct

 

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 Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 09:32 pm
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In response to the letter titled: DVCC Boards Works for Residents' Benefit, what makes the letter's authors think residents valued DVCC facilities when we purchased our homes here. These out-dated facilities played no part at all for many of us in our property buying decisions. This is one of many false claims included in the letter.  Another mistaken assumption is that club facilities increase our property values. Show us some factual evidence of this?  In fact, deed-restricted properties have a history of  negatively affecting property values in many communities across America. Also, nowhere in this letter is there any mention about the board's power to charge Dreamland Villa residents special assessments, in addition to annual club fees, anytime it desires. Watch out folks!

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 Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 06:40 pm
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DVCC board works for residents’ benefit


As four-year Dreamland Villa residents, we are getting more than a little annoyed at the small but vocal disgruntled minority tarnishing our community’s image.


Now be honest – when you moved here, did you not value the two very nice swimming pools, hot tubs, recreation halls, community events and crafts?


To those residents who say "I don’t use the pool anymore so I shouldn’t have to pay," our response is "you valued those benefits when you bought here and they remain an important part of your home’s valuation."


Try to convince the federal government you should not have to pay for roads and schools because you don’t drive or have school-aged kids anymore. What if the IRS had an "optional" program?


Our annual dues of $100 per person is substantially less than the $200 per month that most people pay for association dues offering similar amenities and far more regulations.


If you don’t pay your very reasonable fair share, you leave the burden to the rest of us and yet continue to enjoy higher values for your homes. Tell us you won’t brag up the amenities when you want to sell your house.


We would be much more upset if the Dreamland Villa Community Club could no longer afford the pools and buildings so that we could not "brag about them" when our day comes to sell.


We used to live "out in the country" and had no rules and no pool or community centers. You may want to consider that option.


We challenge anyone to show us a better homeowner "value" anywhere in the Valley. Your home’s value is tied to Dreamland Villa’s continued success or decline ... what do you want to lose?


Much has changed in our society since this community was originally developed. Whatever happened in 2004 happened ... let it go. Run for office.


We all have some politician or government official that we could hold a grudge against. Please give this new board a chance to keep DV a great place to live. They are good people volunteering their time for our benefit.


We are amazed the minority dissenters apparently feel no obligation to DVCC for increased values of their homes, whether they currently use – or for that matter have ever used – facilities and activities offered by the club. You receive value because you live here.


If we want to protect our good investments in our DV homes, we need a stronger, not weaker association to protect against neighborhood erosion, which comes first to the most affordable areas. It always has and it always will.


In the U.S. election year, let’s all remember we are going to have major political disagreements with friends and neighbors. When the votes are in, will you still be friends? Will you still be neighbors?


We’re confident this community can and will assist the true hardship cases that may exist – that’s what friends and neighbors do.


We support the freedom of speech "whistle-blowers" and an opposing view, but we do believe that there are arguments that are won and arguments that are lost.


How do you define democracy? The "minority" candidate received 51 votes in the recent election. The closest winning candidate received 363 votes. You lost.


We would appreciate your graceful acceptance of defeat and the end to your efforts to drive down all of our property values.


Would DVCC have avoided the outrageous legal fees if someone had not sued them? Would that be you? Run for office and win and we’ll listen to you.


Kirk and Cindy Swanson


Dreamland Villa


Questions posed to chamber leader


This is an open letter to the president of the Mesa Chamber of Commerce, Charlie Deaton. Taxpayers/utility users need to hear from you in response to questions that are "hidden" from the people of Mesa by our Mesa government:


•Why is it all information about you and your operation not considered public knowledge?


•What is your salary?


•Who do you represent?


•Who pays your rent and your salary?


•Who is your landlord?


•How much rent do you pay?


•Are you a member of the East Valley Partnership?


I was told by contact with the Mesa Chamber of Commerce this information was "not for public knowledge."


I recently received your call back and although you attempted to answer all the questions listed above, they made little sense.


The two most important questions you refused to answer were "What is your salary?" and "How much chamber rent do you pay?" That is disturbing.


You admitted your landlord was the Convention Visitors Bureau that is funded by chamber members at approximately $700,000 per year and by all bed tax collected. That’s a tax.


Bed tax was supposed to be used to run a city operation, not for giving cheap rent to the chamber to take over that operation.


If this is true, then it could connect the chamber to being partially funded by Mesa’s taxpayers and utility users.


Lastly, your opinion letter in the March 4, 2008 edition of the East Mesa Independent, "Home Rule keeps officials accountable," the garbage therein and coupled with the fact you refused to answer the two most important questions above, makes you suspect of being another fiscal player in the good old boys’ corrupt arena. I report, your readers decide.


Kirby Allan


Mesa


Thanks for Crismon Water Project article


Mr. Hoover, a quick note to thank you for your article on the Crismon Water Project. It was informative and unbiased.


Ed Sharkey


Tempe


Government steals from the disabled


In response to the "Senior tax relief nixed" story in the March 11, 2008 edition of East Mesa Independent, I’m disabled and I’m probably not the only one out there who the government’s been stealing from. That’s downright thievery.


If they know we’re disabled and they’re taking our tax dollars without us knowing, that’s stealing – downright stealing – and they should have to fork over what they owe us. I’ve taken seven years of that, and I’m not the only one out there, so it adds up to big bucks.


Jerome Hand


East Mesa


Country should follow Utah’s lead


Yes – a fuel price went down and natural gas used by compressed natural gas vehicles in Utah are fueling for only 63 cents per gallon at public stations.


Natural gas vehicles have become a very hot commodity in Utah and the demand has spread into adjoining states.


I work for CNG Services of Arizona and get calls almost daily from people in Utah looking for natural gas vehicles, conversions for existing vehicles and home fueling equipment.


The state of Utah offers several incentives for alternative-fueled vehicles – for a new CNG vehicle, a $3,000 tax credit, and for an aftermarket converted vehicle, $2,500. The federal government also offers tax credits, but only for new, dedicated equipment.


The price at the public CNG pumps is the big news – 63 cents per gallon at strategically located locations in existing service stations in 26 towns along Utah’s freeway system.


The Utah public fill their NGV’s at regular gas stations unlike the few-and-far-between stations in Arizona, where it’s usually in an industrial area or major airport.


It would be a great step forward to reduce America’s dependence on foreign oil if the rest of the country followed Utah’s lead.


Dave Clement


Mesa


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