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Dear Irish K3: Amen brother...it is apparent in the drop in readership of newspapers..even those who try to verify their facts, or find other sources...Those of us with some internet savvy can read compilations of all the daily news in regional papers in which we have an interest.
All this has resulted in drastic reductions in staffing...and worse, terrible wages for journalists. If you check the attribution of most news stories it is either local stringers, or the NY Times. Reuters and AP for international....I, for one love my daily paper...funnies, cross words, classified, and even the entertainment and social sections...I'll miss them all.
What do you think of the living characature Reverend Wright? Obama will either set aside his personal relationship with this goof ball and get back to business or he will lose Indiana...big.
The Dems are living with their private hiprocacies puddled all over the media. This guy is a 24 karat goof-ball! Dorothy7
P.S. I have a letter in yesterday's Trib on HOAs. Surprise? HaLast edited on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 11:54 am by Dorothy7
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 08:57 am |
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ConnecticutKnight wrote: CK...I'm sorry that 'BIG'/large type upset you so much...someone in your condition, should not be rea..loo...trying to figure out ANYTHING THAT IS ABOVE YOUR 'intel...You will probably 'hurt' yourself, as you evidently aren't used to handling anything that is too big or hard for you to handle... I am verry sorry that you are suffering from that 'handicap'... I am sorry & I promise to never write any thing that you might be able to read or have to 'worry' your poor 'overworked' mind...ct
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IrishKid3 wrote: Hi Dorothy...et al...sorry but I & my computer have had the 'virus'es...but we are working on getting back to 'life'...verry interesting to read 20/30 of 'predictable' posts...I can tell you all, what the 'real' problems that we have...
#1...'The Press/Communication' part of our economy...or as the real reason is...that MOST people are 'quoting' them...as 'fact'...when they are nothing but 'editorializing'...it is much cheaper than having 'reporters' out checking the 'facts',(& getting a cross section of facts...that the 'EDITOR' could make a check or two to really check the facts...
And this starts at the highest ranking 'outlet, all the way down to the 'worst' 'copy stealing' media in America...the old adage...if you say the same story many times, over & over...people will start to believe... anything!...and everything...
The best advice I can offer is to take everything with a grain of salt, pepper the hell out of it, cut it in half, & throw away the opposite half...
We all have to vote...for somebody, something, sometime...but don't do ANYTHING until you have searched, heard, read, everything...between the lines, 'on the line', or even on-line...from best friend, to worst enemy...sift/sort, read/listen/view, believe about 5% of anything, & then keep in touch with anybody, everybody who has a say in approval/disapproval...& make a pest of yourselves, trying to get them to do things right...after all, your job does not stop...by voting...it is just getting 'real'...'work it', baby!!!...ct
Could you post in a larger font? I cannot read your post from the living room. It is OK from accross the office but beyond that, I have trouble telling the differnece between a 1 and a l. Maybe try a Font Size 7!
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Hi Dorothy...et al...sorry but I & my computer have had the 'virus'es...but we are working on getting back to 'life'...verry interesting to read 20/30 of 'predictable' posts...I can tell you all, what the 'real' problems that we have...
#1...'The Press/Communication' part of our economy...or as the real reason is...that MOST people are 'quoting' them...as 'fact'...when they are nothing but 'editorializing'...it is much cheaper than having 'reporters' out checking the 'facts',(& getting a cross section of facts...that the 'EDITOR' could make a check or two to really check the facts...
And this starts at the highest ranking 'outlet, all the way down to the 'worst' 'copy stealing' media in America...the old adage...if you say the same story many times, over & over...people will start to believe... anything!...and everything...
The best advice I can offer is to take everything with a grain of salt, pepper the hell out of it, cut it in half, & throw away the opposite half...
We all have to vote...for somebody, something, sometime...but don't do ANYTHING until you have searched, heard, read, everything...between the lines, 'on the line', or even on-line...from best friend, to worst enemy...sift/sort, read/listen/view, believe about 5% of anything, & then keep in touch with anybody, everybody who has a say in approval/disapproval...& make a pest of yourselves, trying to get them to do things right...after all, your job does not stop...by voting...it is just getting 'real'...'work it', baby!!!...ct
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Good point made by Gweevo!
But this discussion of the pros and cons, pitfalls and shortcomings of our gridlocked two party system could go on forever. Basically there are two socialist-minded tax-&-spend very liberal Democrats running and one candidate that many of us are not sure what party he really belongs to. He is a good buddy with the most liberal Democrat on planet Earth and that is Ted (hey, look out for that bridge) Kennedy. He is also tight with another super liberal Democrat and that's the senator from Wisconsin named Feingold. So let's just say there is no REAL REPUBLICAN RUNNING THIS YEAR!
Too bad the great ones like Teddy Roosevelt are long gone. America could sure use that "Big Stick" of his.
We could use a great leader like Teddy Roosevelt and not extreme far left candidates like Obama and Clinton who are dedicated to a goal of socialism for America at the expense of this nation's middle class patriots. These two simpletons need to get a clue and look what socialism has done to the once great nation of England. These two candidates, backed by a congress with a majority of members from their own party, have never seen a government entitlement program, funded by tax dollars from people like and you and me, they couldn't resist!
On the other hand, America certainly does not need a sell-out carpetbagger who, upon returning from North Vietnam, was fast to divorce his wife in Florida and move to Arizona just in time to play upon his POW experiences and earn votes of pity from people who had not yet figured out how shallow this man really is.
By the way, after setting up shop in Arizona, McClone, I mean McCain, set his sights on the young, attractive and filthy rich Cindy Hensley and her millions she gained from her daddy's ownership of the Budweiser distributorship covering the entire state of Arizona. Smart move for the wallet and smart move for the bedroom by this man of strong moral values.
All he needed in addition to his newfound wealth was someone in the media who was very powerful and well-connected to clear a path for him. Someone like former Arizona Republic CEO "Duke" Tully. Tully became godfather to McCain's baby son back in the eighties. Before long John McCain was batting .1000
Does anyone remember Duke Tully? He was the famous WWII fighter pilot who would gladly speak (in uniform) at any and all statewide veteran's groups who requested him. Tully would vividly tell his audience about his days as a fighter pilot and how he climbed the ladder of success to achieve his high profile position at the Arizona Republic, by far the state's largest newspaper.
Just one problem, Mr."Duke" Tully never was a fighter pilot, unless it was at an amusement park with his grandchildren. He was living the mother of all lies and getting away with it for years until he was exposed after numerous "Real Veterans" started to question the accuracy of his stories.
Tully resigned in disgrace as CEO of the Arizona Republic and was last seen (sometime in the 1980s) running a small weekly newspaper in North Dakota. Rumor had it that he was just about to get a pilot's license for a small Cessna out there.
Oh, one more thing, lets not forget McCain's exclusive membership in the "Keating Five." Good 'Ol Charlie Keating known for his skill at screwing the elderly out of their life savings.
They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. Duke Tully and Charles Keating---Get the Picture?
It's easy to see why real conservatives and solid Republicans have an extreme dislike for this sellout senator from the Grand Canyon State. This is the same guy who tried like hell to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens just so he could further his chance at gaining his share of hispanic voters and all at the expense of law abiding, hard working Americans who, if McCain's efforts were successful, would see their wages suppressed even more as the result of the millions who would flood this nation's workforce with "cheap labor."
Yes sir, thank God a border state like Arizona has a man of the people.....A man like Johnny Boy McCain.
I have a very strong respect and admiration for his POW experiences, his toughness while a POW and his refusal to submit to the Viet Cong, but McCain is a disgrace to the political party he belongs to and all because of his willingness to sellout his party, those who elected him, and probably his 95 year-old mother all in the name of political gain.
Forget voting for the lessor of evils.
Clinton, Obama and McCain----In a nation of nearly 300 million people is this really the best we can come up with? All three of these idiots are a joke, but it's not funny and unfortunately the joke is on us!
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READ THE FOLLOWING FROM A MAN WHO ACTUALLY STANDS BY HIS WORDS AND CALLS THEM (Republican or Democrat) AS HE SEES THEM----NO BS FROM MR. BUCHANAN!
What McCain Means
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted: 01/25/2008
In 2004, the voters of Arizona, by 56 percent to 44 percent, enacted Proposition 200, requiring proof of citizenship before an individual may vote or receive state benefits. Forty-six percent of Hispanics voted for Prop. 200, giving the lie to those who say Hispanics support the illegal invasion of their country.
Over 190,000 Arizonans petitioned to put Prop. 200 on the ballot. As it simply required proof of citizenship before receiving the benefits and privileges of citizenship, who could oppose it? Answer: the entire GOP congressional delegation, led by Sen. John McCain.
This is the same John McCain who battled the border fence and colluded with Teddy Kennedy on the amnesty bill rejected by Congress last year after a national uproar.
Bottom line: If the presidential race is between Hillary and Amnesty John, the border security battle is over and lost. As Laura Ingraham asks, "If Congress passes McCain-Kennedy in 2009, would President McCain sign it?"
For conservatives, the stakes could not be higher.
For on the great controversies, McCain has sided as often with the Democrats and the Big Media that pay him court as with conservatives.
Where President Bush has been bravest, on taxes and judges, McCain has been his nemesis. Not only did McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts twice, he colluded to sell out the most conservative of the Bush nominees to the courts.
In 1993, McCain voted to confirm ACLU liberal and pro-abortion Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But when Bush set out to restore constitutionalism, McCain colluded with Democrats who wanted to retain power to kill Bush's most conservative nominees.
McCain helped form the Gang of 14, including seven Democrats, who agreed to block a GOP Senate from using the "nuclear option" -- allowing a simple GOP majority to break a Democrat filibuster of judicial nominees -- unless the seven Democrats approved. McCain thus conspired with liberals to put at risk the most courageous conservatives nominees of President Bush.
With his record of voting for liberal justices Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, and of colluding with Democrats in their campaign to kill the most conservative Bush nominees, what guarantee is there a President McCain will nominate and fight for the fifth jurist who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade?
In the battle over campaign finance reform, McCain colluded again. The McCain-Feingold law denies to gun folks and right-to-lifers their basic First Amendment right to name friends and foes in ads run before elections.
As for the policies that have transparently failed Bush and the nation, McCain remains an obdurate advocate.
After America has run five straight record trade deficits that have denuded the nation of thousands of factories and 3 million manufacturing jobs, McCain is still babbling on about Smoot-Hawley.
"When you study history, every time we've adopted protectionism, we've paid a very heavy price," McCain told a Detroit paper after informing Michiganders their auto jobs are never coming back.
But what history is John McCain talking about?
Was the Tariff of 1816, which saved infant U.S. industries from the malicious dumping by British merchants after the War of 1812, a failure? Were Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Calhoun and Henry Clay fools to support President Madison's tariff?
From Abraham Lincoln through Calvin Coolidge, the Republican Party -- the Party of Protection -- put 12 presidents in the White House to two for the Democrats, and the United States became the mightiest industrial power in history, producing 42 percent of the world's manufactured goods.
This is failure -- while Bush free trade is a success? Tell it to Ohio.
Even Hillary Clinton, whose husband enacted NAFTA with McCain's support, has begun to question the NAFTA paradigm. Not McCain.
Where Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon came to office determined to extricate the nation with honor from a war whose costs had begun to outweigh any benefit, McCain is talking about spending 50 or 100 years in Iraq.
Where Bush, by moving NATO onto Russia's doorstep, planting bases in Central Asia and intervening in the affairs of Russia's neighbors, has undone the work of Reagan in making Russia a friend, he sounds like George McGovern alongside the braying McCain, who can't wait to get into Vladimir Putin's face.
Where Bush finally cleansed his administration of neocons, if not of their legacy, a McCain candidacy is the last, best hope of a neocon restoration and new military adventures in the Middle East.
If Rudy Giuliani founders in Florida, neocons will be chanting, "Mac is back!"
The three issues that ruined the Bush presidency are this misbegotten war in Iraq, the failure to secure America's borders from invasion and a mindless trade policy that has destroyed the dollar and left foreigners with $5 trillion to buy up America at fire-sale prices.
McCain remains an unthinking advocate of all three.
But where Bush was at his best, on taxes and judges, McCain was collaborating with Hillary. The question conservatives may face if McCain is nominated is not whom should I vote for, but should I vote.
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Lefty wrote:
If you like paying $5.00 plus for a gallon of gasoline or diesel go on, vote for McCain.
Good point! And if you want to pay $10.00 vote for the Dems.
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Dear Lefty: You-all have one thing incommon. You offer no alternative solutions to the "problems" you suggest are endangering your very survival.
How would any of the candidates "change" the price of gasoline? Do you really believe that they control the price of crude oil?
Exactly how would taxing, or punishing the Oil Companies reduce the price of crude oil...it is set by OPEC...isn't it?
It is my understanding that we have a 13 trillion dollar economy. Most economists agree that is only the reported business activity, and that most likely it is actually 1/3 larger than that.
The billions borrowed from your "children and grandchildren" are used at present to support programs you insist on having...do you believe that "universal healthcare is free?"
Are you unaware of the crushing tax burdens all working people abroad pay in order to have "free" medical care? Or, are you aware of the fact that all those who can afford to come to America for health care do so?
Indeed the out-migration of physicians is staggering.
The cost of our government run medical care, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. to doctors and hospitals in meeting the paperwork burdens of these programs is staggering, and the primary problem with medical costs is trial lawyers who make a living suing doctors and hospitals.
Will the government pay all costs of insuring the doctors and hospitals, or will it simply end malpractice lawsuits?
Reciting your view of your ill-defined "problems" is easy.
How about offering a few solutions? Dorothy7
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Dear participants in the debate:
I do not base my support of any candidate on party only. I have said, and I repeat, Obama is a force to be reckoned with...if not this time...in the near future, and I am delighted to see a young, thoughtful and gifted American decide to enter our venomous political system. (for the life of me I cannot understand how he has become a "black" candidate; when it is apparent that his mother is white. Is he perhaps a gray candidate? Who knows, our language has become so corrupt that defining one another accurately has become virtually impossible.)
I also believe that the corrupt, self absorbed Clintons are the least qualified candidates to run for high office since Huey Long. They must never again have the ability to harm the offices they inhabit... mostly by the old hackneyed "chicken every pot" gambit.
Our real problems that go unresolved through constantly changing faces in the halls of congress and the presidency are, in my view, as follows.
1. Our children and grandchildren no longer feel an obligation to the most prosperous, most free, and most opportunity filled nation ever to rise on planet earth.
We are losing entire generations of young men and women to drugs and prisons who should be trained to enter the economy as productive citizens.
Our public education system is not teaching, it is organized to provide the middle class with a holding pen where their children can mingle with members of their own economic class, and ultimately (if all goes well and the parents don't go broke) attend a graduation ceremony in 4 or 5 years...whether or not that child has achieved success in any saleable skill.
Universities and colleges have down-graded the curriculum to accommodate a majority of students who cannot, or will not achieve expertise in the field of knowledge they are pursuing. Ask any employer...the training required for graduates is costly and time consuming, and in the past, unnecessary.
The ugly truth is that a young man can earn more after a couple of years as an apprentice plumber, than after 5 years of college.
The Military schools can teach young men to operate, rebuild and repair all manner of exotic technology in 14 weeks, better than the colleges are able to in 5 years.
I believe that there is an answer, like Congressman from NY Charlie Rangle...that we must learn to work together for a common goal.
That requires a common enterprise in which every young man can participate.
I support Universal Conscription for that reason.
Every able bodied young man should be required to serve 2 years training in the Military. No exemptions allowed, thereby requiring that all social and economic classes live and work together for a couple of years at least.
Congressman Rangle speaks from experience. I agree.
I do not support including young women in the compulsory draft for obvious biological reasons. (marriage and child bearing demands that need to exempt those who have children, or are married, but those who wish to volunteer should be able to do so, and should be trained separately.)
No presidential candidate has the courage to support this...and damned few others, but its beneficial effects to society are undeniable. Dorothy7
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Bush rating is worst in poll's 70 years
Apr. 22, 2008 12:00 AM
USA Today
WASHINGTON - President Bush has set a record he presumably would prefer to avoid: the highest disapproval rating of any president in the 70-year history of the Gallup Poll.
In a USA Today/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday, 28 percent of Americans approve of the job Bush is doing; 69 percent disapprove. The approval rating matches the low point of his presidency, and the disapproval sets a new high for any president since Franklin Roosevelt.
The previous record of 67 percent was reached by Harry Truman in January 1952, when the United States was enmeshed in the Korean War.
Bush's rating has worsened amid "collapsing optimism about the economy," says Charles Franklin, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who studies presidential approval. Record gas prices and a wave of home foreclosures have fueled voter angst.
The telephone poll of 1,016 adults nationwide has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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IT REALLY GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT JOHN McCLONE, I MEAN McCAIN, WON'T BE INVITING BUSH TO CAMPAIGN TOO MUCH WITH HIM AND FOR HIM THIS FALL.
HE'S SUDDEN DEATH FOR HIS PARTY! LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN 2006.
Basically, middle class Americans will edge further toward non-existense when one of the three idiots (Obama, Clinton, McCain) become president.
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Ms.Dorothy-
It's obvious you only listen to one side. Like I said if you like paying these ridiculous prices for fuel. Stick with your man McCain. You want to talk about welfare, why are the FLDS combines being operated under Bush's watch. In His home State of Texas and in Arizona. They are operating a slave factory getting away with raping young girls and collecting welfare for all these woman and children.What the hell has Bush ever done about this? Here's your answer (NOT ONE DAMN THING) The Republicans don't see this as a real problem. Socialized Medicine is not in our best interest I'll agree, but neither are Mexican drugs from Wal-mart.
One more thing, This big tax refund break Bush is giving us. Where do you suppose that money is coming from? It is borrowed money that our Grandkids and great Grandkids will be paying on for many years. There is no such thing as free money, like the damn fool is trying to have you believe. Bush is just trying to save face, in an attempt to cover up his ignorant screw ups. As far as jump starting the economy, it won't happen. With the gas, food and utility prices going up every day, in some cases twice a day, and wages staying the same the small amount we are getting,won't go anywhere. Bush is trying to put a band aid on a sawed off leg.
Ms. D.- I have no doubt you will have some kind of bogus reply. Please refer to an earlier post below about the cat in the sandbox.
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Comfortably Numb wrote:
...........CLINTON.........McCAIN.........OBAMA
IN A NATION OF NEARLY 300 MILLION PEOPLE, THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO?
Let's face the hard reality folks. Obama, Clinton and McCain have long ago been "Bought and Paid For" by PACs, Lobbyists, Corporations, Special Interests, Etc.
One thing is for sure, McCain, Obama and Clinton will further destroy America's middle class patriots by allowing amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.
The hell with voting for the lesser of evils......I'll be voting for candidates at all levels running for election--- EXCEPT THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES!
AMERICA-----THE BEST GOVERNMENT MONEY CAN BUY!
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If McCain wins we will not have socialized medicine...or a rebirth of welfare, nor will the price of gasoline come down until and unless we drill in ANWAR, pump the oil in the Texas and Oklahome panhandles and build some refineries.
Anyone who believes that Americans will give up their tractors, trucks and cars for these dangerous toy vehicles that run on vegetable oil, or ether, or hydrogen, is just pouring money into fad that will fade and die in a year or two.
The Dems...Think Algore...we are not dying of global warming...we are not killing ourselves, or the ozone layer with smog...we need cheap food and cheap oil quickly, and the only way to do it is to begin drilling and refining our own oil....or, get a permanent foothold in the Middle East that will help us control the price of crude oil.
One and one are still two, dear friends, and Hillary and Obama offer nothing that will reduce the cost...except a tax on the oil companies profits which will lead to further increases so that they can pay their stockholders.
Please think these things through before settling on offers to make things much much worse in one hell of a hurry.
The Bush administration is foolishly subsidizing the production of corn for fuel. The price of corn and other grains has risen from 3$ per bushel to 6$. Our Wheaties and cornflakes and bread have doubled in price, and all live stock and poultry is fattened on grains and corn. So, they will also go up...inflation will eat the value of our currency...and we'll be standing in line for bread, rice and oats...Get it?
Tell me how any of the alternative offered on either side has any merit? McCain has offered a way of protecting people's retirements and our economy by stabelizing the Middle East until we can get our domestic production on line.
The Dems are offering us Carter's solution...remember 17 % interest? Gas lines? and a collapsing economy? Inflation running in double digits will kill us retirees because our incomes are not attached to rising costs. Think this over very carefully. Dorothy7
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You're right, but if McCain happens to win the election. There will be no change in policy,agenda, or anything else. McCain will continue to follow Bush's failed agenda. Same old Crap, with a different name. If you like paying $5.00 plus for a gallon of gasoline or diesel go on, vote for McCain.
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Lefty,
I will expound on one thing you said to make it fit my needs. EVERY candidate is running to satisfy their ego, and every candidate has their own agenda.
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It's a fact in order for America to survive, we have to turn things around. We can't go on allowing the oil companies getting away with raping the public. McCain is only running to fill his ego, he wants the Presidency title before he croaks. There will be no change in anything if he wins the election. The only thing you can count on is more of the S.O.S. for at least four more long years. I do agree with the fact we need to quit playing super hero with these third world countries. We have plenty of serious problems in our own back yard. One good example is the FLDS cult. This is not about a religion, it's about slavery and raping young girls, collecting welfare and stealing from our Government. We should get the woman and kids out of all the compounds in the United States and level them to the ground. Lincoln abolished slavery many years ago, this is no different.
We have too many homeless, and starving kids right here in this country that didn't ask to be subjected to that way of life. There are street gangs that need to be busted up and done away with. Then we have the immigration problem that our own Government has aloud to get out of control far too long.
This is just addressing a few issues there are several others. We are throwing away billions of dollars to foreign countries that could give a damn less about the U.S.A. We need a President that has big enough nads to stand up and say to hell with the middle east and all these third world countries and their B.S. problems. We have plenty of our own.
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| Welcome everyone to "Polarized Central" Again, the politicians have us exactly where they want us! We must be careful about what we want. People harp on and on about us needing change and the sad part is after another 4 or 8 years of the next administration, the message won't change. We get precisely what we ask for because any politician running for office will tell us exactly what we want to hear fully knowing they will not follow through with promises. Something always comes up to make it not possible. Sorry for sounding crude, but the country needs a president with the balls to make tough decisions and tick off both sides of the aisle. Let's take care of America first and let the rest of the world get their own affairs in order, on their own dime.
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Lefty: My old and valued political opponent.
Civil debate, in an attempt to persuade does not include avoiding responding to the facts your partner is citing to to defend his/her opinion.
Which of my assertions do you deny?
Our feline companion's toilet habits (though interesting) have very little weight in the argument at hand. Right? Let's get back to the subject. Okay? Dorothy7
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You die hard Republicans are like a cat in a sand box, you work like hell to cover it up. Trouble is, the smell lingers on forever.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 11:38 pm |
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bigwavedave wrote: Lefty, this is precisely my point. You state this administration has tried to manipulate the American people's way of thinking and my point would be what makes this administration any different from every other administration? The only change is the topics they choose to use to bring the message. From Kennedy to Nixon to Carter to Bush (1 and 2) to the next president, the message always comes from left or right. Why doesn't this country have the nads to send someone from the middle who will call out the professional politicians? We have become a nation of "Sheeple" (My thanks to the person who I stole this term from though I don't remember where I first saw it) and have been hamstrung by the politicians who know how to manipulate the system. Hello, BWD: I agree about the "sheeples", but one must still keep an eye for the observable facts. My kids and grandkids are doing well beyond anything any generation before has ever done economically...and they are what I would describe as "comfortably middle class."
My family on both sides live in Kansas and raise wheat. They have never in my memory done as well as they have done over the past eight years. My neighbors drive new, or nearly new cars, they are remodeling and upgrading their homes and yards, they are dressed well, and many of them own two homes and an RV.
My sister lives in Washington and until recently has raised apples and provided bees for pollenating crops up and down the West Coast...they will tell you that business has never been better, and that it is improving for the younger fellow who bought their place when they retired.
These are, and have been the "the best of times" for our nation's economy...in large measure because of Bush's tax cuts, and encouraging business and investment. This has been the longest sustained expansion in our history, and it has lasted through a crippling attack on heart of our financial system on 9-11...and a calamity that hit with unprecedented damage to the gulf states...Louisianna and Mississippi...and simultaneously conducting a two-front war.
If there is one deficiency in George Bush's presidency that galls me, it is his inability or unwillingness to "sell" the good news in order to "manipulate" public opinion.
He is, in my opinion exactly the kind of non-political person for whom you say you long. A reticent and efficient administrator of the nation's business that refuses to recite his successes.
I am deeply moved by Obama...he is a compelling speaker, and I suspect will be a force to be reckoned with in the future...for good or ill...I know too little about him at this time.
I've enjoyed the exchange...let the games begin!!! Dorothy7
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 10:34 pm |
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BWD-
Again look at W's record, America is in desperate need for a change. We cannot continue the coarse the Bush administration has lead us on. Bush's moronic ideas have failed time after time. McCain don't have a plan except to stay on the coarse Bush laid out. Bottom line, America cannot afford another four years of Republican B.S.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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| Lefty, this is precisely my point. You state this administration has tried to manipulate the American people's way of thinking and my point would be what makes this administration any different from every other administration? The only change is the topics they choose to use to bring the message. From Kennedy to Nixon to Carter to Bush (1 and 2) to the next president, the message always comes from left or right. Why doesn't this country have the nads to send someone from the middle who will call out the professional politicians? We have become a nation of "Sheeple" (My thanks to the person who I stole this term from though I don't remember where I first saw it) and have been hamstrung by the politicians who know how to manipulate the system.
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| For the most part I would have to agree with you. It's too bad we can't get an independent to run and win. Our choices on either side aren't great to say the least. One thing for sure, this country is in bad need of a change. This administration has tried to manipulate the American public into thinking we are safer, and better off than we were eight years ago. I strongly disagree. Bush has ran this country so far in the dirt, no matter who wins the election, They will be neck deep in crap from day one. It will take a long time to repair the damage the Bush administration created. We are in the second recession since Bush has been in office. The economy is worse than the Reagan-omic years in the early eighties. We are paying almost triple for gasoline, diesel, and food than we were when Bush first took office. People are loosing their jobs and homes at a record rate.To make it short and simple. How can anybody in their right mind think this country is in better economic shape, and safer from terrorism and all around better off than we were eight years ago? Those people are so far out of touch with reality, makes you wonder what they are smoking or what planet they're on, cause it sure ain't this one. Last edited on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 05:41 pm by Lefty
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 02:50 pm |
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| Congratulations Lefty and Dorothy. The politicians have done their job. They have taken the people and polarized us into the "us versus them" camps, and the end result is whichever side of the aisle you are on, "you" are right and "they" are wrong. I for one, would like to see a politician come out and be for "us". WE, the people who pay for the bridges the rich drive on and the poor sleep under, have the power to stop this crap which we are subjected to year in and year out. WE need to find a new political party who won't cater to the religious right and the welfare left, but really, really attempt to return this nation to it's rightful place of respect in the world. Welfare is welfare, whether it be corporate welfare or keeping generations of welfare recipients on welfare so as to be able to keep their vote coming in. This left/right crap has to stop somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 01:41 pm |
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No- Ms. Dorothy you are in a coma. Ms. D- you are a strong headed Republican, no use trying to make you see reality. If a Democrat told you the sky was blue you'd want to argue, it was red. I'd tell you to get real but thats an impossible task for you.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 11:35 am |
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Hello Lefty:
I offered evidence that racism is rampant in most of the older American cities that cannot be refuted. Go there. Take a look. It is a rude awakening for those of us out here in the West.
Beginning in Chicago, in the Eastern US, the cities are very old...and accustomed to dividing up in ethnic groups...particularly those who are people of color...ANY COLOR. China town, in SF and lately, in LA, the Hispanic Alavera Section, is the closest parallel I have seen out here.
Much of the segration in sections of the city are voluntary and a result of people moving near those with whom they are comfortable in language initially, and in business subsequently.
American Blacks, however have been here as long as our European ancestors, and still, they remain in the most impoverished, undereducated, under employeed areas of the cities.
I remember the 60s and the War on Poverty programs in which trillions of dollars have spent on housing and education and welfare programs that have been an unmitigated disasters for black families, businesses, and neighborhoods.
Obama, who is as much white as black, is nevertheless a unique phenomenon in our political history, and potentially living proof that working hard, staying in school and abandoning the costume and language of defeat and dispair, participation in our common culture is the way to become a fully intergrated American society at last.
Now, as to your ludicrous statements about our President.
1. Bush did not lie about anything...including Iraq, and its posession and production of weapons of mass destruction.
The UN believed he had them. The dead Kurds and Iranians who were killed by those weapons are irrefutable proof...The CIA, the Brit's MI5, the French Intel agencies, the Isreali's etc. etc. etc. believed he had them. Did they all lie, or is it more likely that during the run up to our invasion, he moved them into Syria? All Sadam would have had to do was allow the inspectors in...
2. I will remind you that :
All but a couple of the Dems voted to go into Iraq.
They have ginned up the opposition to the War and their media cohorts have encouraged them.
Never mind that they encourage the enemy. Never mind they increase the danger to our men in the field. Never mind that they lie about the conditions on the ground, and sieze on any opportunity to demoralize the troops...including beating up the president with the most vile, poisonous invective that does not reflect reality in any aspect.
3. Our economy is still in better shape than it was when Clinton left office. We have less than 5% unemployment. (By any standard full employment) Wages are up. More people are better off now, than at anytime during the Clinton's eight years in office.
All the inflation we are now suffering through would be reversed if we could get the quizzlings on board to persist in stabelizing the Middle East, or drilling in ANWAR.
4. We are provably safer than pre-9/11.
No attacks...none, nada, zilch. Despite repeated calls by these mindless fanatics calling for more attacks over and over, we know they are trying...in my view they will eventually succeed...primarily because the Dems are eager to tuck tail and run....even though their children, husbands, wives or brothers are seldom at risk they cannot resist collaborating with the enemy, and denying our troops the support they need.
Self delusion has become a fine art in the Democrat party...from time to time, they persuade a majority to go along with them....when the clear-eyed realist says...NASA sattelites have recorded global cooling over the past 25 years, and experts in climate and geology expose the models used in the global warming scam as flawed...(as they did Carl Sagan's global cooling) the Dems demand that no arguments remains. Wake up Lefty. Your Empress or Emperor, has no clothes on. Dorothy7
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 07:14 am |
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Why is it, When a so called "minority" looses any race, or contest there is always somebody in the back calling it racism or they are a bigot. I don't think Obama's race had any thing to do with loosing Pennsylvania. Hillary lost some big States, no one said she lost because she is a woman.
May I remind you, when George W. was put in office, that was just an extension of George Sr. This war we are in is George Sr.'s war. There were never weapons of mass destruction. Bush lied to the world and used 911 as an excuse to attack Iraq. Hussein got caught great, but where is Bin Ladin? You don't hear much about catching him anymore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the "good ole" Bush's have him safely hid somewhere. McCain and the rest of the right wing team can dream, we will win this war eventually. Sure as hell won't be in his lifetime. When Bush took office the price of gasoline was around $1.46 a gallon average. He is doing nothing to stop the price of oil from sky rocketing and the oil companies are raping the American public with Bush doing nothing to even slow it down. But why should he? "W" and his daddy are also filling their wallets at our expense. Before Bush took office we had a deficit of zero. George W. has us so far in debt our great grand children will still be trying to pay it off. Clinton got out of being drafted. Bush hid behind his daddy while in the National Guard so he would not be in harms way. So what the hell is the difference? Bush outsourced our jobs to foreign countries by giving large companies tax incentives. Eight years ago people had good jobs, homes and the economy was in pretty good shape. Now American citizens are loosing their homes and can't hardly afford to drive to work. McCain ain't the answer, he will do nothing to help the economy or bring gas prices down to a realistic figure. McCain would just be an extension of Bush's failed ideas. Most Politicians are lying cheating no good S.O.B's no matter what side they are on. George W. takes the lead right up there with Nixon.
The best person for the Presidency in November 2008 would be anyone but a Damn Republican. We cannot afford four more years of the S.O.S. No one can honestly say America is in better financial shape or any safer from terrorist than we were eight years ago. We are now going in the second Recession since this moron took office. This country is in need of a big change, and a leader with a functional Brain.
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A short month ago Hillary Clinton, (running for Bill's 3rd term), was 33 points up among likely Penn voters...Obama cut her lead to 10 points, but was unable to carry the day...
As a non-Democrat, I ask the obvious questions, that no one else will ask.
1. Has everyone forgotten the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that seduced poor Bill into liason with a White House intern?
2. The pardoning of criminals who for bribes?
loss of memory she suffers when in front of a grand jury? Ditto Bill?
4. The appearance of the then President wagging his finger and announcing that he did not have sex with that woman?
5. The blue dress?
6. The impeachment?
7. The trashing of the Independent Counsel?
8. Chronic, ongoing fund raising scandals?
9. The Clinton's history with the racist, J. William Fullbright?
10. The Clinton's history with avoiding the draft?
etc. etc. etc.
On the other hand, we have their opposition a young man from Illinois...
1. He is a mesmerizing speaker who addresses his audience as if they were able to understand complex sentences without a translater.
2. He and his wife and children appear to be a decent honest family.
3. His response to the problems with his minister was a perfect description of how each of us deals with the embarassing flaws in the ones we love.
4. Most of those who have come out and worked for and contributed to his campaign, are younger, and/or more educated than the Clinton's voters.
5. His attire, (like George Bush's and Ronald Reagan's and most other candidates is suit and tie.)
6. He is an unapologetic Democrat Liberal.
7. He has won the most Delegates, the most States, and the most popular votes.
Now comes the question no one will ask. Hang on...it's unspeakable, and unspoken.
ARE THE BIG EASTERN STATES DEMOCRAT VOTERS BIGOTS?
It seems to me the evidence is clearly on the side of a "yes".
Democrat liberals who have funded ghettos, and the destruction of black families, and the imprisonment of their young men for generations, are now voting to reinstate the most embarassing couple to ever live in the White House are, at last, showing their true colors.
They keep their children in private schools in the white suburbs, and allow those black children in Washington D.C. to attend schools only marginly safer, and educationally inferior to those in downtown Beirut.
Young blacks in the Eastern Cities are living without Daddy's, without a family except the street gang, and the local drug thug as protection and role models, but the Dems just keep on funding their isolation and despair.
They wax eloquent about their tolerance and champion "diversity"; then go out and vote for anyone but a person of color.
If the conditions that exist in the big city Ghettos were in poor white neighborhoods our response would have been quite different over the years. Dorothy7
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