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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 07:57 pm

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onefedupkiddie wrote: dadof3 wrote: FedUp, How I wish I was a teenager again. To think that a policy requiring kids to eat on campus is "sick" and the worst thing in your life. Enjoy this "horrible situation" while it lasts kid, things will only get better. Soon you will have to choose a college major, pay for it, get a job, hopefully find a lifelong spouse or partner, deal with marriage, maybe get divorced, maybe deal with child support if you are lucky enough to have children because some people have to go through years of fertility treatments to even be able to have a child, get a mortgage, get laid off from job, figure out how to pay for family's health insurance and said mortgage, maybe lose your house and your health, and then figure out how to send your own kids to college and maybe actually be able to retire. And as all that is happening, I hope you remember the time in your life when the "sick, tyrannical, despots" made you eat lunch on campus and how that was the worst thing that ever happened to you. Oh the inhumanity of it all.
*sigh* Talk about a misinterpretation. It's not eating on campus that is sick, even though since my class pre-lunch is on the other side of campus and all the lines get too long before I can even show up, waiting 90 minutes to go home and eat isn't exactly bad for me. It's the matter in which they put this policy into place which is sick. It's dirty politics, which doesn't matter what the issue is, it's still dirty politics. It's not "the worst thing in my life", I would have to be doing pretty damn well right now for this to be "the worst thing". Every assumption you made in this gem of a post is one big game of grasping for straws, and has nothing to do with the post that preceeded it. So really, don't try to make all of us seem like we think that lunch is the end of the world, it's not, but playing political games and showing so much contempt to the students and parents who care about the policy just enough to call out how inept it is, is definitely something important. If a school board implements a bad policy, if the higher government implements a bad policy, no matter how insignificant it is, someone better say something about it.

Adam,

I think onefedupkiddie is referring to lunch

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Joewrites4rights wrote: RUKiddingme and dadof3.....You both now state being confined to the campuses is no big deal....that we should be worried about more serious things and give up all our inimportant freedoms....then WHY do you insist locking everyone up at lunch be done? Why can't you respect that it does NOT work for EVERYBODY.....if it's really no big deal....then why must it be forced upon the students and parents? Joe Bernier

Adam,

This is about lunch.

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That will be a happy day in our lives, let me tell you. We can get back to our lives of garage sales and tractor pulls.

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I'm sure you'll be accommodated soon.

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Peoria Dad wrote: You're setting quite an example for your kids. Planning many trips to Florence, are we? Or will you just be moving your double-wide down there for convenience?
Actually, we are hoping they are housed in Joe's tent city. The food out there would be much more agreeable for them and it would be easier on us as parents. We truly like the park we live in now.

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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 04:36 pm

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Adam Maras wrote:
I'm going to say this once again:

It's not about lunch.

Dad

I am just so confused what you all are fighting for then. The speeches, the sit-in, the letters, the posts on this forum, it hasn't been about lunch at all? So, you're recalling a board member, creating gridlock in the process over what exactly? You say it's because the new board members did not go along with what your group wants to do and have different views on how the affairs of the district should be conducted, does that make the least bit of sense, Daddio? Because Debra Raeder said she received 50 emails against the presentation of VSEBT this should somehow mandate the board change their view? Isn't each member's right as a voted official to project their ideas and wishes onto the operations of the district? Are you saying it is not their right to take a principled stand on an issue even it appears there is opposition to it? Or are you saying there should be a vote of the community for every issue that comes before the board?

To use a word that Kiddie-Kiddie uses far too often, it is true irony that you all are running away from lunch now. It's not lunch, it's general issues. I don't get it, and I don't think your recall starters get it either because I still watch nasally Preston get up at every board meeting to talk about his latest angle on the hardship of lunch and Joe keeps coming up with another wild analogy of cafeteria lunch.

Please explain this to me, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I'M AN IDIOT.

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You're setting quite an example for your kids. Planning many trips to Florence, are we? Or will you just be moving your double-wide down there for convenience?

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Peoria Dad wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: When I grew up, the parent called the shots, not vice-versa. Now, too many parents don't want their princesses to be inconvenienced in the least and the result is we are raising a bunch of spoiled brats. I wish we could take back some of the values and beliefs of my parents. Kids like Ms. Bernier would not be hailed as a hero, but one of those kids you don't see for the rest of the semester. Now we have too many spineless parents who can't say to their little kiddies,'You know what, life sucks sometimes. Get over it.'My, my, you are a miserable human being, aren't you. Your house must be a joy to be raised in. I'm bettng your kids are keeping Centennial's intervention specialist plenty busy.

We only feed our kids spam and bologna, so they think the cafeteria lunches are smorgasboards. They couldn't be happier.

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dadof3 wrote: Integrity, the name of the thread is about closed campuses.
dadof3, there are other posts regarding the governing board in general, that is ignored...and someone implied this is "all about lunch," ONLY...and it isn't only about lunch.

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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 01:59 pm

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Integrity, the name of the thread is about closed campuses.

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Adam Maras wrote:
Then how do you explain the presence of the parents and other community members that are expending more energy fighting the new policies than they would telling their kids off? Here, since you're obviously not going to give me a decent, reasonable answer to my question, let me continue on.

I'm going to say this once again:

It's not about lunch.

Shall we look at another couple of examples? I think we should. A few months ago, discussion came to the Governing Board regarding construction on Peoria High School's Old Main building. To make a long story short, Diane Douglas, Kathy Knecht, and Rick Murphy were of the opinion (yes, I used that word very specifically) that construction needed to be temporarily halted on Old Main until PUSD had a better idea of what to do with the building. So, they took a vote. Three to two, the majority (the three Board members I mentioned) were in favor of halting construction. Regardless to say, there was an outcry from the community (and a staff member or two) regarding this vote. Many people came to the microphone to speak out against this course of action, presenting many logical and reasonable arguments. The Board discussed the issue again, and managed to pass a new motion that rescinded the old vote (thank you, Mrs. Knecht for seeing that halting construction wasn't in the interest of the district). The first vote was taken against the advice of the administration, and without any more reason than a major lack of information on Diane Douglas's part.

Would you like another example? Let's go to this past Board meeting.

Board Meeting Agenda for 1/22/08:
* 13. Discussion and Possible Consideration of Obtaining Health Benefits Proposals from Valley Schools Employee Benefit Trust
Looks harmless, right? Well, it's not. Rick Murphy and Diane Douglas seemed to think that PUSD either had an interest in or a need to look to VSEBT (Valley Schools Employee Benefit Trust) for benefits, as opposed to keeping with our current EBT plan. Again, there was an outcry. This one was from district staff; at least half a dozen staff members essentially came up to tell the Governing Board not to touch EBT. Debra Raeder commented that she had no less than fifty e-mails in her inbox regarding that agenda item. Pat Galbraith quite explicitly stated that the EBT board (which she chairs) had no interest in looking at outside benefits to be provided by VSEBT. However, Douglas and Murphy insisted on voting on getting proposals from VSEBT. The vote was (quite interestingly) 2-2-1; Douglas and Murphy were in favor, Galbraith and Raeder were opposed, and Knecht abstained on the grounds that if the district were to look to outside sources for benefits, they should look everywhere, not just with VSEBT as was explicitly stated by the agenda item, as shown above.

So, with two simple examples, I've managed to show how the Governing Board has managed to alienate both the community and the staff. I didn't mention your precious "closed campus issue" whatsoever. Can everyone see that this problem isn't limited to one simple violation of the parents' and students' wishes? Some members on the Governing Board have taken it upon themselves to project their ideas and wishes onto the operations of the school district. In doing this, the education and well-being of the students is no longer of paramount importance to the Governing Board. Instead, the politics of the school and the state have become their chief concern.

This is an unacceptable state of affairs for the Governing Board of any public school district to be in.

Adam, niether he nor the others will address these issue. This is what I have been saying. They want to keep the lunch issue on the forefront because they feel they can trivialize this issue. They feel that the majority of the staff and parents are not behind this issue. They won't talk about the other bad decisions because the staff, parents and public are not happy with those decisons at all. Plus, they can't make jokes about the other issues. So, don't expect anyone to address what you have written regarding these or other issues.

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Joewrites4rights wrote: Where else have you seen 25-30 minute daily lines for food. Let alone the same 2-5 choices of food? Where else have you seen or heard of forced restricted areas to eat lunch, with "guards" swirling around you? Where else have you heard of "don't cross the red line"? Where else have you heard "if you want the student (prisoner) released you must be "approved by the authorities of the state" (this policy says parents ONLY....not someone approved by the parent, i.e. grandparent or an older sibling) and that person, the one "approved by the authorities of the state" (not the person approved by the parent) MUST come in each and every single time in order for the student to be released for lunch. If they are not prisoners....why are they (and us as parents) being treated like this? What else is there to compare it to? I've searched many things and places.....but you must obviously know of something I missed....so lets hear it....I want to learn more. Joe Bernier

I will assume that this is a major priority for the new board member that you will place in office.

Why should Freshmen and other underclass students be forced to endure such deplorable conditions when they are not allowed to leave campus. Every student should be afforded the same lunchtime experience.

I know Joe has the interest of every student in mind when he makes such a statement and not just his own children.

Where is the outrage over these conditions? Why are you not addressing and fixing these issues? Could it be that you do not care what the rest of the student body has to endure everyday just as long as your precious children get to leave campus for lunch. Would there be a large outcry if your children were not old enough to leave campus?

Adam, as a student, this is where you should focus your energy. Or don't you care what other students have to endure at lunch?

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"AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: When I grew up, the parent called the shots, not vice-versa. Now, too many parents don't want their princesses to be inconvenienced in the least and the result is we are raising a bunch of spoiled brats. I wish we could take back some of the values and beliefs of my parents. Kids like Ms. Bernier would not be hailed as a hero, but one of those kids you don't see for the rest of the semester. Now we have too many spineless parents who can't say to their little kiddies,'You know what, life sucks sometimes. Get over it.'
"When I grew up, the parent called the shots, not vice-versa."

Yeah, you just made our point. When you were growing up, the campuses were open, but if parents didn't want their kid to leave school, those kids wouldn't leave campus because they know damn well what would happen to them if they did.

Now for the rest of your post, if you think kids like Ms. Bernier are the ones who "you don't see the rest of the semester.", you really don't have any idea about who those kids are, and though you feel big enough to be able to stomach saying the word "kiddie" in a serious manner, how naive are you to think that people like the Bernier's are the bad influence troublemakers who would be getting, as the internet likes to say, "pwned" by the public education system. I also assume that you think me, or any student in my side of the camp are the equivalent of a drug dealing, violent hoodlum. It's the spineless parents who want the school district to make decisions for them, and not firmly parent, and the irony in your last sentence is absolutely astounding. Life does suck sometimes, and some people need to get over that, but what does that have to do with a consensual policy being put in place and then being suddenly changed, only for people like you to say "Get over it!", that's just stupid, AREYOUKIDDINGME.

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: When I grew up, the parent called the shots, not vice-versa. Now, too many parents don't want their princesses to be inconvenienced in the least and the result is we are raising a bunch of spoiled brats. I wish we could take back some of the values and beliefs of my parents. Kids like Ms. Bernier would not be hailed as a hero, but one of those kids you don't see for the rest of the semester. Now we have too many spineless parents who can't say to their little kiddies,'You know what, life sucks sometimes. Get over it.'
Then how do you explain the presence of the parents and other community members that are expending more energy fighting the new policies than they would telling their kids off? Here, since you're obviously not going to give me a decent, reasonable answer to my question, let me continue on.

I'm going to say this once again:

It's not about lunch.

Shall we look at another couple of examples? I think we should. A few months ago, discussion came to the Governing Board regarding construction on Peoria High School's Old Main building. To make a long story short, Diane Douglas, Kathy Knecht, and Rick Murphy were of the opinion (yes, I used that word very specifically) that construction needed to be temporarily halted on Old Main until PUSD had a better idea of what to do with the building. So, they took a vote. Three to two, the majority (the three Board members I mentioned) were in favor of halting construction. Regardless to say, there was an outcry from the community (and a staff member or two) regarding this vote. Many people came to the microphone to speak out against this course of action, presenting many logical and reasonable arguments. The Board discussed the issue again, and managed to pass a new motion that rescinded the old vote (thank you, Mrs. Knecht for seeing that halting construction wasn't in the interest of the district). The first vote was taken against the advice of the administration, and without any more reason than a major lack of information on Diane Douglas's part.

Would you like another example? Let's go to this past Board meeting.

Board Meeting Agenda for 1/22/08:
* 13. Discussion and Possible Consideration of Obtaining Health Benefits Proposals from Valley Schools Employee Benefit Trust
Looks harmless, right? Well, it's not. Rick Murphy and Diane Douglas seemed to think that PUSD either had an interest in or a need to look to VSEBT (Valley Schools Employee Benefit Trust) for benefits, as opposed to keeping with our current EBT plan. Again, there was an outcry. This one was from district staff; at least half a dozen staff members essentially came up to tell the Governing Board not to touch EBT. Debra Raeder commented that she had no less than fifty e-mails in her inbox regarding that agenda item. Pat Galbraith quite explicitly stated that the EBT board (which she chairs) had no interest in looking at outside benefits to be provided by VSEBT. However, Douglas and Murphy insisted on voting on getting proposals from VSEBT. The vote was (quite interestingly) 2-2-1; Douglas and Murphy were in favor, Galbraith and Raeder were opposed, and Knecht abstained on the grounds that if the district were to look to outside sources for benefits, they should look everywhere, not just with VSEBT as was explicitly stated by the agenda item, as shown above.

So, with two simple examples, I've managed to show how the Governing Board has managed to alienate both the community and the staff. I didn't mention your precious "closed campus issue" whatsoever. Can everyone see that this problem isn't limited to one simple violation of the parents' and students' wishes? Some members on the Governing Board have taken it upon themselves to project their ideas and wishes onto the operations of the school district. In doing this, the education and well-being of the students is no longer of paramount importance to the Governing Board. Instead, the politics of the school and the state have become their chief concern.

This is an unacceptable state of affairs for the Governing Board of any public school district to be in.

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When I grew up, the parent called the shots, not vice-versa. Now, too many parents don't want their princesses to be inconvenienced in the least and the result is we are raising a bunch of spoiled brats. I wish we could take back some of the values and beliefs of my parents. Kids like Ms. Bernier would not be hailed as a hero, but one of those kids you don't see for the rest of the semester. Now we have too many spineless parents who can't say to their little kiddies,'You know what, life sucks sometimes. Get over it.'

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rdg7359 wrote:

Congratulations!

What you have described above, is every public high school in every state of the country. When you and I went to school, it was the same scenario. We stood in line and we had a selection of 3 or so choices, where was the outcry then? If you are looking for a better environment then you need to look into private schools or take your own lunch. If you are going to place blame, place it on our government, which continues to cut public school funding and the relevance of those cuts are felt all across the country, not just the PUSD.

The issue that I have with your continued argument is it is all over the map. When this topic first came to the surface it was about lunch. It is still about lunch and has always been about lunch no matter how you have tried to spin it. Through your desperation to make your point you have thrown ridiculous scenarios out to see if anything grabbed hold. To recap: Constitutional Rights, ARS 15-341, Kidnapping, Columbine and the Pledge of Allegiance. I may have forgotten one or two, there has been so many.

Closed high school campuses exist in many states and in many cities across the country. Why has it not been brought up or overturned before by other school districts about parents Constitutional rights being violated? Where has a school districts closed campus policy ever been overturned by a court because Constitutional law were violated? How about state laws? Where are the examples of closed campus policies being overturned because a parents rights had been taken away due to closed campuses on a state level? The only thing I have seen you or any one of your followers provide for proof is someone's BLOG. Everybody knows that a BLOG is mostly based on someone's opinion and not necessarily based on fact.

You appear to be an intelligent man, you know that every written policy, whether in business or on a district level, someone, somewhere feels their rights are being violated. You know that no laws have been violated you feel slighted because you are now inconvenienced by the new policy. Which I might add that the current policy is a result of a compromise with the board as previously stated on this topic. Why was there a compromise reached if no one is happy with it.

If this is in fact a safety issue, as you have so implied. Then why are you not advocating for metal detectors at every entrance and exit? Why not have all students have see-through backpacks, purses, etc? Most of your big businesses practice this policy, (there’s that word policy again) what about the privacy rights of those individuals?

You can spin this topic any way you like if it makes you and your handful of followers feel better at the end of the day, but there is no violation in this policy. What are you prepared to do if your recall fails? I can literally see you and your followers demonstrating the biggest temper tantrum at the next board meeting. I can see you throwing yourselves down on the floor and holding your breath and kicking your feet and yelling and screaming.

Could it be that you have made such a mockery out of this topic and conducted yourself in such a manner at the board meetings no one is listening to your redundant ramblings anymore? Face it, the way you have conducted yourself at the board meetings, in the press and on this website, no wonder no one is listening. The way you have conducted yourself in these message boards proves the point.

All over a 40 minute lunch break. Give me a break!

As stated before " You are circumventing the truth with illusion"

So, according to you schools should remain the same as they were when you were a child, right? We should remove the computers...heck why not have ink wells, or is that going too far back? How about bringing back spankings, they had that in schools when I was a student. Back then very few parents could afford to buy their students cars so we didn't need so many parking spaces. Oh, and also back then there was smoking on campus as long as you had parental permission. By the way when I was in school the food was cooked on campus and yes, it was pretty good food. Probably because the food was fresh, not frozen or warmed up. Does anyone remember the cinnamon rolls? How about the fresh huge chocolate cookies. Oh, and at my school there was entertainment during lunch for my freshman year....we had streakers run through the quad area. For goodness sake lets not do anything new, or different in schools lets just keep things the same day in and day out.

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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 11:47 pm

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Integrity

You seem to really have this fixation with bullies. Do you want to talk about it?

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dadof3 wrote: rdg: Very well said. I think you left out how closed campuses were also compared to the Holocaust though. Is Joe now backing off the Folsum Prison analogy? And the whole recall thing is the most spiteful, small-minded thing I've seen in a long time, as long as we're talking. Joe, like it or not, your daughter offended a lot of people with her email. And then told the world her principal was a bully. If I were you, I'd shut up and count my blessings that she wasn't suspended with a comment in her permanent record over either one of those events.
I know this principal is a bully too. So, unless you have proof otherwise I suggest that you don't assume she was being disrespectful or deserved a suspension.

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This is off topic but bugging me...

Several of you keep referring to this as a BLOG. It is not a blog.

Look up there ^... See it says FORUM.

This is a forum. What you write on there is not a blog entry. It is a post in a forum.

<---- See the thing over there that says Posts: xxx

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The issue that I have with your continued argument is it is all over the map. When this topic first came to the surface it was about lunch. It is still about lunch and has always been about lunch no matter how you have tried to spin it. Through your desperation to make your point you have thrown ridiculous scenarios out to see if anything grabbed hold. To recap: Constitutional Rights, ARS 15-341, Kidnapping, Columbine and the Pledge of Allegiance. I may have forgotten one or two, there has been so many.

One more: Sunrise Mountain Prison for Hungry Boys and Girls

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rdg: Very well said. I think you left out how closed campuses were also compared to the Holocaust though. Is Joe now backing off the Folsum Prison analogy? And the whole recall thing is the most spiteful, small-minded thing I've seen in a long time, as long as we're talking. Joe, like it or not, your daughter offended a lot of people with her email. And then told the world her principal was a bully. If I were you, I'd shut up and count my blessings that she wasn't suspended with a comment in her permanent record over either one of those events.

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That RDG can sure write an awesome essay when he sets his mind to it....That was so good I am going to have to read it once more.

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Joewrites4rights wrote: RUKidding....my post simply stated what I thought the current school lunches resembled the most. Please enlighten us with your thoughts of what you think the current lunch conditions resemble.

Where else have you seen 25-30 minute daily lines for food. Let alone the same 2-5 choices of food? Where else have you seen or heard of forced restricted areas to eat lunch, with "guards" swirling around you? Where else have you heard of "don't cross the red line"? Where else have you heard "if you want the student (prisoner) released you must be "approved by the authorities of the state" (this policy says parents ONLY....not someone approved by the parent, i.e. grandparent or an older sibling) and that person, the one "approved by the authorities of the state" (not the person approved by the parent) MUST come in each and every single time in order for the student to be released for lunch. If they are not prisoners....why are they (and us as parents) being treated like this? What else is there to compare it to? I've searched many things and places.....but you must obviously know of something I missed....so lets hear it....I want to learn more. Joe Bernier

Congratulations!

What you have described above, is every public high school in every state of the country. When you and I went to school, it was the same scenario. We stood in line and we had a selection of 3 or so choices, where was the outcry then? If you are looking for a better environment then you need to look into private schools or take your own lunch. If you are going to place blame, place it on our government, which continues to cut public school funding and the relevance of those cuts are felt all across the country, not just the PUSD.

The issue that I have with your continued argument is it is all over the map. When this topic first came to the surface it was about lunch. It is still about lunch and has always been about lunch no matter how you have tried to spin it. Through your desperation to make your point you have thrown ridiculous scenarios out to see if anything grabbed hold. To recap: Constitutional Rights, ARS 15-341, Kidnapping, Columbine and the Pledge of Allegiance. I may have forgotten one or two, there has been so many.

Closed high school campuses exist in many states and in many cities across the country. Why has it not been brought up or overturned before by other school districts about parents Constitutional rights being violated? Where has a school districts closed campus policy ever been overturned by a court because Constitutional law were violated? How about state laws? Where are the examples of closed campus policies being overturned because a parents rights had been taken away due to closed campuses on a state level? The only thing I have seen you or any one of your followers provide for proof is someone's BLOG. Everybody knows that a BLOG is mostly based on someone's opinion and not necessarily based on fact.

You appear to be an intelligent man, you know that every written policy, whether in business or on a district level, someone, somewhere feels their rights are being violated. You know that no laws have been violated you feel slighted because you are now inconvenienced by the new policy. Which I might add that the current policy is a result of a compromise with the board as previously stated on this topic. Why was there a compromise reached if no one is happy with it.

If this is in fact a safety issue, as you have so implied. Then why are you not advocating for metal detectors at every entrance and exit? Why not have all students have see-through backpacks, purses, etc? Most of your big businesses practice this policy, (there’s that word policy again) what about the privacy rights of those individuals?

You can spin this topic any way you like if it makes you and your handful of followers feel better at the end of the day, but there is no violation in this policy. What are you prepared to do if your recall fails? I can literally see you and your followers demonstrating the biggest temper tantrum at the next board meeting. I can see you throwing yourselves down on the floor and holding your breath and kicking your feet and yelling and screaming.

Could it be that you have made such a mockery out of this topic and conducted yourself in such a manner at the board meetings no one is listening to your redundant ramblings anymore? Face it, the way you have conducted yourself at the board meetings, in the press and on this website, no wonder no one is listening. The way you have conducted yourself in these message boards proves the point.

All over a 40 minute lunch break. Give me a break!

As stated before " You are circumventing the truth with illusion"

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEMXaTktUfA

If you are all are tired of the idiotic you tube taco incident, here's one that everybody should watch at least once in their life.....

What's my point? My point is these backers of the lunch policy have equated their cause with the importance of this cause of Martin Luther King and unfortunately this is not an exaggeration at all....

That's okay I'll just start to responding to myself...

Idiot, right on the button!!!

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: I've decided I want to lead the league in the number of blogs. Joe has 266 and I only have 103, so you can expect to be hearing from me a lot.
Thanks for the warning...now everyone knows to ingore you...

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I've decided I want to lead the league in the number of blogs. Joe has 266 and I only have 103, so you can expect to be hearing from me a lot.

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: integrityforPUSD wrote: Adam I realize that you feel what I said encourages their behavior. However, you need to recognize that they are keeping the lunch issue at the forefront because they don't want attention drawn to the other issues that the newest board members have made. They are going to use anything and everything someone says to keep the lunch issue in the forefront.

Integrity

Are you saying I'm part of a grand conspiracy and we meet in back alleys and I'm kind of like the designated hit-person. Our head conspiracy person says," Idiot, get out there and keep this lunch issue on the forefront."

I feel so important!!

You are not only a joke, you kid too much too...

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integrityforPUSD wrote: Adam I realize that you feel what I said encourages their behavior. However, you need to recognize that they are keeping the lunch issue at the forefront because they don't want attention drawn to the other issues that the newest board members have made. They are going to use anything and everything someone says to keep the lunch issue in the forefront.

Integrity

Are you saying I'm part of a grand conspiracy and we meet in back alleys and I'm kind of like the designated hit-person. Our head conspiracy person says," Idiot, get out there and keep this lunch issue on the forefront."

I feel so important!!

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Dad

I can just hear my dad saying that. I probably need to grow up, but you actually need to grow down a bit, if that makes any sense.

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Adam Maras wrote: integrityforPUSD wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: You have made me feel so inadequate here, Integrity, I thought you should know, I am officially stating I will not be running for the school board in November. I just do not have a grasp of the issues and feel that I would make a total fool of myself.
HA!
You're just encouraging this behavior, integrityforPUSD...

Adam I realize that you feel what I said encourages their behavior. However, you need to recognize that they are keeping the lunch issue at the forefront because they don't want attention drawn to the other issues that the newest board members have made. They are going to use anything and everything someone says to keep the lunch issue in the forefront.

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integrityforPUSD wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: You have made me feel so inadequate here, Integrity, I thought you should know, I am officially stating I will not be running for the school board in November. I just do not have a grasp of the issues and feel that I would make a total fool of myself.
HA!
You're just encouraging this behavior, integrityforPUSD...

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integrityforPUSD wrote: Uncle Fire, did it occur to you that maybe the boys that were bullied were trapped on campus with the bullies during lunch? Did it occur to you that maybe if either one of the two could leave campus during lunch that they shooter's rage wouldn't have built up to the point that it did?
The guys at Columbine had much larger issues than a closed campus. That festered for a while and as mentioned, a weak argument. Opening a campus is not THE solution for addressing bullying. The school leaders, parents AND peers share responsibility in dealing with that. And you think that opening up 1 hr or less will stop the bullying? They're in class the rest of the day-- bullies will find you if they want to. I know, I've been there--

And by the way, those guys showed up at lunch and were not on campus until then. Having open campus could have made things worse given the traffic and confusion. By the same token, it could have been better-- e.g. somebody could have seen them and reported them before they got to campus. Regardless, its a moot point.

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: You have made me feel so inadequate here, Integrity, I thought you should know, I am officially stating I will not be running for the school board in November. I just do not have a grasp of the issues and feel that I would make a total fool of myself.
HA!

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Joewrites4rights wrote: My daughter never made a threat of carrying out any acts of violence. Please stop stating she did...Thank you....Joe Bernier

I didn't say she made a threat. It was perceived as a threat or at the very least raised concerns.

When you're lobbying to change a policy or get a message across to a "hostile" audience, you have to be judicious of the words and examples you choose. Why? Somebody will twist it, interpret to their own benefit and your message will get lost in the fray-- as happened in this case. So instead of, hey, closed campus and campus violence may be related, it was "perceived" as a threat.

Message lost, credibility damaged.

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You have made me feel so inadequate here, Integrity, I thought you should know, I am officially stating I will not be running for the school board in November. I just do not have a grasp of the issues and feel that I would make a total fool of myself.

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I'll leave the heavy thinking to you, Integrity

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Wow, I am an idiot. I have this whole sorted affair all wrong.
You do, don't you! And I agree with the first part of what you said too.

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Wow, I am an idiot. I have this whole sorted affair all wrong.

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: So I get this straight, because as you know I'M AN IDIOT, this recall started by nasally Preston and all the upheaval for the last year in the district has little or nothing to do with the lunch issue?
Youareajoke, you really ought to follow the bouncing ball.....This all started with the cuts that the newest board members made to staff, against their wishes.

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So I get this straight, because as you know I'M AN IDIOT, this recall started by nasally Preston and all the upheaval for the last year in the district has little or nothing to do with the lunch issue?

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Joe, you are really over the top on this one. I have not researched this and thrown my ever waking hour on this one issue as you have. I do ask my kids who are students at Centennial High School if this is a problem for anyone at that school and they tell me no. To you now to start comparing this to prison life, wow...Youareajoke, you do however pay a awful lot of attention to this particular issue. Why don't you pay that close attention to the other half dozen or so controversial decisions that this current board has made?

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Joe, you are really over the top on this one. I have not researched this and thrown my ever waking hour on this one issue as you have. I do ask my kids who are students at Centennial High School if this is a problem for anyone at that school and they tell me no. To you now to start comparing this to prison life, wow...

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RUKidding....my post simply stated what I thought the current school lunches resembled the most. Please enlighten us with your thoughts of what you think the current lunch conditions resemble.

Where else have you seen 25-30 minute daily lines for food. Let alone the same 2-5 choices of food? Where else have you seen or heard of forced restricted areas to eat lunch, with "guards" swirling around you? Where else have you heard of "don't cross the red line"? Where else have you heard "if you want the student (prisoner) released you must be "approved by the authorities of the state" (this policy says parents ONLY....not someone approved by the parent, i.e. grandparent or an older sibling) and that person, the one "approved by the authorities of the state" (not the person approved by the parent) MUST come in each and every single time in order for the student to be released for lunch. If they are not prisoners....why are they (and us as parents) being treated like this? What else is there to compare it to? I've searched many things and places.....but you must obviously know of something I missed....so lets hear it....I want to learn more. Joe Bernier

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So the legal opinion of the conflict of interest issue is more interesting? You make my point, don't you Integrity?

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Here is something even more interesting to think about, "Youareajoke," why don't you ask Rick Murphy and Diane Douglas to get a legal opinion regarding whether they have a conflict of interest with the recent issue regarding VSIT.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEMXaTktUfA

If you are all are tired of the idiotic you tube taco incident, here's one that everybody should watch at least once in their life.....

What's my point? My point is these backers of the lunch policy have equated their cause with the importance of this cause of Martin Luther King and unfortunately this is not an exaggeration at all....

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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: I'll repeat it. Weak, extremely weak
This response is not surprising since the person commenting is weak minded.

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To the recall backers

It might be a good idea to get Joe and Preston out of the public eye until the vote. If you caught Preston's latest performance at the school board meeting and Joe's latest posts about prisons, they are doing nothing but hurting your cause.

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