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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 01:32 pm |
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| Folsum Prison and Sunrise Mountain High School. Somehow I'm not seeing them in the same category.
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dadof3....a few of my high school buddies are guards in the correctional system in CA, and a couple more are deputies in two county jails in CA, Sonoma County and Marin County. I have visited one prison and two jails and one juvenile detention center. Folsom Prison, Sonoma County Jail as well as their juvenile detention center, and the Marin County Jail. I haven't been able to get to see my buddy at San Quentin yet, but I plan to. I fly to SF today, but I don't know if I can get that in this weekend or not.
No, I was not able to talk with the warden at Folsom when I was there....just the guards. No, we were not allowed to engage the prisoners in conversation, neither audible OR visual. Of course....some of them attempted to engage us in colorful conversation. On that trip I ate breakfast in Sonoma, and lunch in Folsom.
Yes, I know that Knecht is not the only one to add their own twisted spin to my daughters email. They are not reading the words, literally. Joe Bernier
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Please enlighten us Joe. Exactly what prisons and prison cafeterias have you visited personally? Did you speak with the wardens? Did you eat the food? Did you ask the inmates if they'd rather eat prison food than be "forced" to eat lunch on campus during high school? Please, details.And Knecht was not the only one to infer violence from your daughter's email
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| I'll repeat it. Weak, extremely weak
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dadof3, Uncle Fire....and everyone else that is mislead by the closers opinions and spin.
You have misunderstood the message that was being delivered by both the speeches to the board and email by one of my daughters. The email was valid, as it was pointing out that Columbine had just REOPENED their campuses....one of the reasons was that the closed campuses foster a negative atmosphere for a lot of students. It is logical....they can't take a true break if they are all crowded into a confined space. And YES...the relationship to closed campuses and campus violence are parallel. Bullying included.
NONE of us adults in the real world are ever subjected to such lunches....especially on a daily basis, unless we are imprisoned. What exactly is this preparing our students for? The only thing that resembles these lunches at school is lunches at prisons and jails. I know this for a fact, as I have visited these as well for my research. Fact....lunch lines at jails and prisons are shorter than the lines at our schools. Frankly...the food is way better at the prisons.
Back to the Columbine thing. Knecht is the ONLY person that made the accusation that students would be driven to violence because they wouldn't be able to leave campus for lunch. My daughters email only expressed her concern and fear of becoming a potential victim of such an event, "she doesn't want to be any part of it", or any other type of violent event on campus. FYI....we just had another example of campus violence here in the valley. Because of being daily trapped on campus...the girl in Gilbert recently...couldn't escape her bully....and no one did anything about it. The administration got involved in the end, only to suspend the victim for ten days. Sure they suspended the offender as well....but the victim? Parents are fools to think the administration is well equipped to manage a campus of confinement and despotic control. They have not been properly trained to do it. Not their job....nor should it be, they are better people than that. They didn't choose to become educators because they wanted to be prison guards.
My daughter never made a threat of carrying out any acts of violence. Please stop stating she did...Thank you....Joe Bernier
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| I don't want to start a whole new blog about this, but has anyone else had it Preston speeches at the board meetings. What in the hE** was he talking about at the last meeting? Does he think its clever or something? Go away Preston! Last edited on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 02:13 am by AREYOUKIDDING ME
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integrityforPUSD wrote: Uncle Fire wrote: onefedupkiddie wrote: Grounded for what, making a valid comparison? It's not exactly typical to ground your child for someone else's ignorance.
This issue wasn't that she made a comparison. It was the way she did it. And by the way she did it could be (and I think was) construed as a potential threat. the implication was Columbine had a closed campus, ergo the deaths that happened were because of that. You don't want that happening again do you?
Come to think of it. Its not a valid comparison at all. The Columbine bad guys went on a rampage because they were bullied (if memory serves me correctly).
Uncle Fire, did it occur to you that maybe the boys that were bullied were trapped on campus with the bullies during lunch? Did it occur to you that maybe if either one of the two could leave campus during lunch that they shooter's rage wouldn't have built up to the point that it did?
Integrity
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dadof3 wrote: As my sons would say, OMG. You have GOT to be kidding, integrity. Do you really believe that being able to get a taco or hamburger for lunch would have made a difference?
It was bad enough when a 14 year old made that ridiculous connection, then her dad, and now another adult? At least I assume you're an adult?
OMG.
By your comments I can only assume you were never victimized by a bully.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 12:53 am |
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dadof3 wrote: As my sons would say, OMG. You have GOT to be kidding, integrity. Do you really believe that being able to get a taco or hamburger for lunch would have made a difference?
It was bad enough when a 14 year old made that ridiculous connection, then her dad, and now another adult? At least I assume you're an adult?
OMG.
I really doubt, at least hope, that your kids would say that. That is an exaggeration, right?
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As my sons would say, OMG. You have GOT to be kidding, integrity. Do you really believe that being able to get a taco or hamburger for lunch would have made a difference?
It was bad enough when a 14 year old made that ridiculous connection, then her dad, and now another adult? At least I assume you're an adult?
OMG.
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Uncle Fire wrote: onefedupkiddie wrote: Grounded for what, making a valid comparison? It's not exactly typical to ground your child for someone else's ignorance.
This issue wasn't that she made a comparison. It was the way she did it. And by the way she did it could be (and I think was) construed as a potential threat. the implication was Columbine had a closed campus, ergo the deaths that happened were because of that. You don't want that happening again do you?
Come to think of it. Its not a valid comparison at all. The Columbine bad guys went on a rampage because they were bullied (if memory serves me correctly).
Uncle Fire, did it occur to you that maybe the boys that were bullied were trapped on campus with the bullies during lunch? Did it occur to you that maybe if either one of the two could leave campus during lunch that they shooter's rage wouldn't have built up to the point that it did?
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onefedupkiddie wrote: Grounded for what, making a valid comparison? It's not exactly typical to ground your child for someone else's ignorance.
This issue wasn't that she made a comparison. It was the way she did it. And by the way she did it could be (and I think was) construed as a potential threat. the implication was Columbine had a closed campus, ergo the deaths that happened were because of that. You don't want that happening again do you?
Come to think of it. Its not a valid comparison at all. The Columbine bad guys went on a rampage because they were bullied (if memory serves me correctly).
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Homer Landreth wrote: Oh, come on people. Lighten up. You've got to admit that the original post is amusing simply because of the absurdity of it.
Oh really? What was amusing about a blatently age biased and sarcastic innenuendo about people who had absolutely no stake in this issue at all? All of your piety, and Holyer than thou verbosity, and Constitutional blabbering made after the original posting was disguistingly self serving and hypocritical. The fact that you all are amused by the original posting illustrates your shallowness, low values and your gutter level self gratification at the expense of others. The referenced TV show that you think was so humorously used for your specific purpose is nothing but entertainment for stupid people by stupid people doing stupid things. Maybe if you would upgrade your level of intellect and raise your level of gratification you might next time be more prepared to defend your desired outcome in a manner that will get the PUSD's attention. Maybe more of you should have been reading your Civics books or Government books instead of watching WWF Smackdown. Think about it !
Hmmm.. Looks like my prior response to this was deleted....
Ever heard of parody, satire, jokes? That's what it was.
I don't watch WWF and I do plenty to read above gov/civics. I'm not the one blabbering about the constitution either.
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Can I count on your vote in the coming election, Integrity?
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Am I going to be known as areyouajoke or youareajoke. Important distinction!!!
Can I count on your vote in the coming election, Integrity?
I think I have decided...."youareajoke."
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Am I going to be known as areyouajoke or youareajoke. Important distinction!!!
Can I count on your vote in the coming election, Integrity?
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Dad
I'm glad to see your irritation with me showing up. You've got to quit being so nice or you are going to be swallowed like a minnow. You've got to mix it up, it's not always about ideas in these rough and tumble school board elections. Quit trying to play umpire and be part of the action. This we only exchange ideas and views might have been the rule in 9th grade student council, but this is a whole new world. Part of the game is to make the other guy so mad at you that he says something he didn't want to say and he puts his foot in his mouth. Come on, break loose, call me an idiot, everyone else has.
So, that is what you are working on youareajoke, you have put one foot in your mouth...and now you are working on the other.
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Dad
I'm glad to see your irritation with me showing up. You've got to quit being so nice or you are going to be swallowed like a minnow. You've got to mix it up, it's not always about ideas in these rough and tumble school board elections. Quit trying to play umpire and be part of the action. This we only exchange ideas and views might have been the rule in 9th grade student council, but this is a whole new world. Part of the game is to make the other guy so mad at you that he says something he didn't want to say and he puts his foot in his mouth. Come on, break loose, call me an idiot, everyone else has.
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Adam Maras wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Sorry Peoria Dad
That was a pretty worthless blog or maybe it is I don't catch on quickly..
Paula/Debbie/Theodore(please call me Ted)/Tyranny
I thought you were leaving?
Dad
Actually I'm not leaving and I might be running against you in the coming election. That will be a fun thing, huh Dad??
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| rdg...please tell me how you can substantiate that opinion. Joe
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Joewrites4rights wrote: rdg....the children (as you call them) along with their parents, are the ones responsible for deciding where to eat lunch. As I've said before...the parents should retain the right to decide. Nobody has relinquished this decision to the governing board, nor does the board have the right to take this decision out of the hands of the parents. This is not an educational policy....lunch has NOTHING to do with education. It's not about safety, as the stats prove it is safe to eat lunch off campus, and if you are of the opinion that it's not safe, then you (as a parent) may restrict your child to the campus, but you have no business restricting others, especially when that restriction DOES affect my kids from taking a class they want to take!!! Your (and the board's) decision has negatively affected my daughters education, as well as hundreds of other seniors that wanted to take fifth hour classes. This policy has negatively affected many students, and has NOT had one positive affect on any of them. The schools don't care for the students as much as the parents do. Frankly, it's not their job to care as much. The schools are not equipped financially or physically to provide an enjoyable lunch for all the students. Joe Bernier
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I don’t know Dad, the arrogance of AREYOUKIDDING ME is too far over the top even for Paula and he/she is too well written for Lesko. AREYOUKIDDING ME said his/her kids go to CeHS the same area Rick G. lives and that would be a good match on the arrogance.
Who cares either way, his/her team is on the way out and all he/she can do it lash out. I feel kind of bad for AREYOUKIDDING ME, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Sorry Peoria Dad
That was a pretty worthless blog or maybe it is I don't catch on quickly..
Paula/Debbie/Theodore(please call me Ted)/Tyranny
I thought you were leaving?
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Sorry Peoria Dad
That was a pretty worthless blog or maybe it is I don't catch on quickly..
Paula/Debbie/Theodore(please call me Ted)/Tyranny
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Actually, Kidding, the Idiot Island comment was made by me to someone named "Tyranny." Could it be that you're posting under that name, and maybe a few others, too? I seem to recall someone else doing that, only to be caught.
Also, if you would bother to read, neither of the blogs you refer to has mentioned the closed campus issue in a couple of months. Whatever your name is (Paula? Debbie?), you might want to be informed before blurting out misinformation.
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| rdg....the children (as you call them) along with their parents, are the ones responsible for deciding where to eat lunch. As I've said before...the parents should retain the right to decide. Nobody has relinquished this decision to the governing board, nor does the board have the right to take this decision out of the hands of the parents. This is not an educational policy....lunch has NOTHING to do with education. It's not about safety, as the stats prove it is safe to eat lunch off campus, and if you are of the opinion that it's not safe, then you (as a parent) may restrict your child to the campus, but you have no business restricting others, especially when that restriction DOES affect my kids from taking a class they want to take!!! Your (and the board's) decision has negatively affected my daughters education, as well as hundreds of other seniors that wanted to take fifth hour classes. This policy has negatively affected many students, and has NOT had one positive affect on any of them. The schools don't care for the students as much as the parents do. Frankly, it's not their job to care as much. The schools are not equipped financially or physically to provide an enjoyable lunch for all the students. Joe Bernier
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We will see!
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Frank1234 wrote: She could quit. That could be better although we would get stuck with who knows as that job is assigned by Maricopa County Superintendent of Schools, Sandra Dowling. That could really be bad for PUSD. After seeing her outburst it is plausible.
Knecht made it clear that she had no intention of stepping down.
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If the recall fails, it fails.
There are three seats up for election. Douglas has filed her paperwork. Who else is going to run?
Getting Douglas off the board could very well change the balance of power. If that happens, who cares about Kathy Knecht. She will just have to sit there and wait out her time just as Diane Douglas did for two years. I don’t think Knecht has the drive that Douglas has.
Knecht could get recalled, that would be good for PUSD. She could quit. That could be better although we would get stuck with who knows as that job is assigned by Maricopa County Superintendent of Schools, Sandra Dowling. That could really be bad for PUSD. After seeing her outburst it is plausible. Or we end up with three people being elected to put the focus back on education. You don’t have to like the old board but four of them were focused on kids.
AREYOUKIDDING ME, you may be giving Erickson and me a bit too much credit. But I will take the compliment. Sarcastic or not, you know we are right!
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Joewrites4rights wrote: RUkidding....I respect your way of living. It's right for you. Why can't you respect my way of living. I'm not forcing my way onto you. Your way of life is no better for me than my way is for you. Yet you want to control my life....why?
It's the closers and these board members who have the stick. They are the ones telling everyone how to live. Even you want to dictate your ways onto us. Why is that? Why can't you just respect the diversity of each family's lifestyles? Even if you are unable to comprehend how we spend our lunch...even if you don't understand why it's so important.....and even if your own kids are not affected....why do you have such a problem how and where my students spend their lunch? They are not violating any laws, they are not wearing vulgar clothes, they are not breaking any laws or rules, they are not even affecting anyone else's life. Yet you insist on forcing us to live by your opinions and negatively affecting our lives....why do you insist on such control over others? Why must we live like you?
And to everyone else who has said..."it's only lunch"....if you really feel that way, then why don't you advocate for us to have our lunch where we want to? I mean...if it's only lunch....what do you care where we spend it? Joe Bernier
Once the children graduate from a public high school in the PUSD, then they can eat anywhere they want to. Until that time, they must adhere to the rules and written policies of the school board.
What are you prepared to do if your recall is not successful? My god, thing of the horror!!
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Dad
For once, I will take your advice. As others have tried before me, it is hard to argue with people who are brainwashed and brain dead. It is almost as you are a cult. You have the two leaders, the followers who hang on every word they proclaim, and you even have the youth group who do everything just like the leaders. You and Kiddie-Kiddie even started your own websites, just like the two gods. The two gods' proclamations are even announced here on this site. "The gods have spoken" and you all scurry off to see what you should be thinking this week. Do you ever disagree about anything? You could interchange people from these blogs and it wouldn't matter, you all say the same thing. Do you have some type of script or something?
For the longest time, this was a lunch problem, and now you say it's not a lunch problem, but a "general problem". This is absolutely laughable. Is this because it was determined that parents could take their kids out for lunch, all they had to do was gather their posteriors to the office and sign a piece of paper?
Dad, I wouldn't be so sure you have the support of a majority of the community over this. There are many more idiot islands like me whose vote counts the same as everyone else. I know Frankie is counting his chickens before they are hatched, but you all better hope nasally Preston is successful in his recall attempt or it is going to do nothing but enpower this other side.
A very smart man named Uncle Fire said something on this site that I will repeat;
Pull the sticks out of your rumps....sheesh
Areyouajoke, is a much better description of your thought process. If what everyone is writing about the lunch policy at PUSD is bothering you that much, then there is a simple solution...STOP READING THE BLOGS! No one is interested in your immature, invective, boorish comments. You don't really care one way or another what happens regarding the lunch policy, you are just seeking to inflame those that do care.
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RUkidding....I respect your way of living. It's right for you. Why can't you respect my way of living. I'm not forcing my way onto you. Your way of life is no better for me than my way is for you. Yet you want to control my life....why?
It's the closers and these board members who have the stick. They are the ones telling everyone how to live. Even you want to dictate your ways onto us. Why is that? Why can't you just respect the diversity of each family's lifestyles? Even if you are unable to comprehend how we spend our lunch...even if you don't understand why it's so important.....and even if your own kids are not affected....why do you have such a problem how and where my students spend their lunch? They are not violating any laws, they are not wearing vulgar clothes, they are not breaking any laws or rules, they are not even affecting anyone else's life. Yet you insist on forcing us to live by your opinions and negatively affecting our lives....why do you insist on such control over others? Why must we live like you?
And to everyone else who has said..."it's only lunch"....if you really feel that way, then why don't you advocate for us to have our lunch where we want to? I mean...if it's only lunch....what do you care where we spend it? Joe Bernier
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Dad
For once, I will take your advice. As others have tried before me, it is hard to argue with people who are brainwashed and brain dead. It is almost as you are a cult. You have the two leaders, the followers who hang on every word they proclaim, and you even have the youth group who do everything just like the leaders. You and Kiddie-Kiddie even started your own websites, just like the two gods. The two gods' proclamations are even announced here on this site. "The gods have spoken" and you all scurry off to see what you should be thinking this week. Do you ever disagree about anything? You could interchange people from these blogs and it wouldn't matter, you all say the same thing. Do you have some type of script or something?
For the longest time, this was a lunch problem, and now you say it's not a lunch problem, but a "general problem". This is absolutely laughable. Is this because it was determined that parents could take their kids out for lunch, all they had to do was gather their posteriors to the office and sign a piece of paper?
Dad, I wouldn't be so sure you have the support of a majority of the community over this. There are many more idiot islands like me whose vote counts the same as everyone else. I know Frankie is counting his chickens before they are hatched, but you all better hope nasally Preston is successful in his recall attempt or it is going to do nothing but enpower this other side.
A very smart man named Uncle Fire said something on this site that I will repeat;
Pull the sticks out of your rumps....sheesh
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Adam Maras wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: I've been blogging with some very self-absorbed asshats here and it's beginning to bore me...
If you're bored, go elsewhere. You refuse to listen to and comprehend the arguments of others. You assume we're talking about a specific issue when we're truly talking about a general problem. You call names, you have no respect, and your posts are looked upon as mindless and useless. I don't know who you are, but if you leave, you won't be missed.
So true Adam, "Areyouajoke," is an immature bore!
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: I've been blogging with some very self-absorbed asshats here and it's beginning to bore me...
If you're bored, go elsewhere. You refuse to listen to and comprehend the arguments of others. You assume we're talking about a specific issue when we're truly talking about a general problem. You call names, you have no respect, and your posts are looked upon as mindless and useless. I don't know who you are, but if you leave, you won't be missed.
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| Opie 1970 - You made the hilarious original post and then you left - where did you go? We need some more humor in here. I've been blogging with some very self-absorbed asshats here and it's beginning to bore me...
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 01:56 am |
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Adam Maras wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote:I would rather see her shut her mouth, go to class, register to vote, and vote Knecht out of office if that's what she wants to do and not do or say something so utterly ridiculous that inflames the whole district.
By the way, to bring up the American dream in any context of this silly issue just kind of shows how far gone you all are.
I'm going to have to (unsurprisingly) disagree with you. One of the obvious goals of a school district is to prepare its students for the real world, and in the real world, people have opinions which occasionally need to be expressed to the higher-ups. The fact that you would want her (or anyone) to drop this subject shows that you want to shelter public school students from real life.
I know from a previous post of yours that you have one or more students in high school right now. Do you want them to leave high school utterly clueless about how things really work outside the classroom?
Absolutely not do I want them to leave high school clueless about how the real world works which is exactly my point. When you get in the real world, you don't get to bitch about every little inconvenience that comes your way. If you do, your paycheck becomes zero which means you don't have a house for kiddies to live in, you don't have food for kiddies to eat, and you don't have cars for kiddies to drive to Taco Bell. Pretty soon in the real world you learn that sometimes you need to need to keep your mouth shut and bear it and life becomes much less complicated that way and you pick the battles that really need to be fought.
One of the truly most ridiculous and naive statements I have read (and there have been many by this lunch crowd) was made by Kiddie-Kiddie. Quoting now:
"It doesn't matter how "little" it is, suppression is suppression, and this is only suppression because of the endgame, not the actual policy. It'll only be a "war" if the opposing side keeps trying to make it one."
I kind of think Kiddie-Kiddie copied this from a war book he's reading or something because half of the time he makes no sense anyway, but the statement 'suppression is suppression' is just the dumbest thing I have heard. No matter what injustice comes your way, you had better fight it tooth and nail is what I hear him saying. How completely naive is that???
For the life of me, I will never understand how this can be such an important part of anyone's life. My kids (who go to Centennial) tell me it is never even talked about there by anyone they know or anyone they have overheard. Your previous posts mentioned how it is obvious the majority of the district feels the way you all do. How is that suddenly an assumed fact? Where do you make this leap? Because the scorecard shows 99 speakers for open campus to 1 for closed campus? Did you ever think that maybe people have better things to do than come to a school board meeting and talk about this? Do you think just because there is a recall petition out there that everyone must feel the same way you do?
God help us all......
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote:I would rather see her shut her mouth, go to class, register to vote, and vote Knecht out of office if that's what she wants to do and not do or say something so utterly ridiculous that inflames the whole district.
By the way, to bring up the American dream in any context of this silly issue just kind of shows how far gone you all are.
I'm going to have to (unsurprisingly) disagree with you. One of the obvious goals of a school district is to prepare its students for the real world, and in the real world, people have opinions which occasionally need to be expressed to the higher-ups. The fact that you would want her (or anyone) to drop this subject shows that you want to shelter public school students from real life.
I know from a previous post of yours that you have one or more students in high school right now. Do you want them to leave high school utterly clueless about how things really work outside the classroom?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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Adam Maras wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote:In my eyes, the Bernier girl's actions were inexcusable by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, with Daddy was cheering her on, there wasn't much hope of grounding anyone here, was there Kiddie-Kiddie?
So, let me guess: you would rather see her simply follow the status quo than to carry out another part of the American dream, which is to make a difference?
I would rather see her shut her mouth, go to class, register to vote, and vote Knecht out of office if that's what she wants to do and not do or say something so utterly ridiculous that inflames the whole district.
By the way, to bring up the American dream in any context of this silly issue just kind of shows how far gone you all are.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 10:22 pm |
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote:In my eyes, the Bernier girl's actions were inexcusable by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, with Daddy was cheering her on, there wasn't much hope of grounding anyone here, was there Kiddie-Kiddie?
So, let me guess: you would rather see her simply follow the status quo than to carry out another part of the American dream, which is to make a difference?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 10:16 pm |
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Grounded for what, making a valid comparison? It's not exactly typical to ground your child for someone else's ignorance.
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Huh? Valid comparison of what?
Consistently incoherent at its best.
In my day, it was very typical for those who used very bad judgment and made very bad choices to be grounded - if you were lucky. In my eyes, the Bernier girl's actions were inexcusable by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, with Daddy was cheering her on, there wasn't much hope of grounding anyone here, was there Kiddie-Kiddie?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 09:48 pm |
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: I know I am going to sound like my grumpy friend Homer, but if I ever would have gone to my dad and told him that the mean school district is making us eat lunch in a school cafeteria instead of being able to dash in our cars to Taco Bell, he would have had a one word answer,
'And???'
And if I would have told him that the mean school principal called me in because I wrote an email to the school board members where I alluded to Columbine, he would have had a four word answer,
'Your a** is grounded'
How times have changed. Now this girl is being hailed as a hero and it is causing a recall of a board member. I liked it better when I was growing up. Things were so much simpler and parents had some backbone instead of being jellyfish.
Grounded for what, making a valid comparison? It's not exactly typical to ground your child for someone else's ignorance.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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Adam Maras wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Let me correct you on a couple of things, Frankie.
First, the only thing I am really upset about is I live among people who feel the most important factor in their children's education is whether their children eat in a school cafeteria or at Taco Bell. It doesn't really make me very excited about the future.
Once again, you need to take my advice and look at the big picture. I have to agree that I could also care less whether I eat at school or elsewhere (as I've said on many occasions.) However, the fact that the Governing Board chose to single-handedly overrule a decision that was agreed upon last year by the Board, the administrators, and the majority of the community after months (if not years) of consideration by staff and committees is disturbing.
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Second, let me remind you what happened at the ballot box. You all seem to forget exactly what happened here. It has been brought up many times on these blogs, but it somehow gets lost in your argument. The voters voted these people in. The candidates stated their positions on this lunch issue. Your reference to Joe McCarthy is completely idiotic and is not germaine to anything. Because you and your band of believers did not like the outcome, you decided to create havoc in the district. Period. Like spoiled children. Period. Spoiled children create spoiled children. Period.
You're absolutely right; the voters did choose our current Governing Board. However, you can see that the majority of the people that have become involved in this situation have expressed their disapproval of some members of the Board. Why should the voices of the voters only be heard during elections, and not during the actual operation of the school district?
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Third, the ability to choose who governs you is what this country is built on. We choose who governs through the ballot box, not through a one-sided web site with the one-sided crap that you spew out on a regular basis..
No argument there. That being said, we should also be able to choose how we're being goverened through contact with the Board. Whether that means sending them emails or speaking at the meetings, the community should always be listened to. No, posting on this website or on a personal blog probably isn't going to change any Board decisions. However, we should be using these resources as a forum of ideas and discussion as to moving forward, not being stuck in the mud like we are now.
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Fourth, I could really care less if Kathy Knecht is recalled. Although she was 100% correct in the taco incident, she is not what this district needs as she doesn't impress me in the least. I'm not even sure what this district needs at this point. I don't even know who in the right mind would want to run after the scrutiny these members have had to put up with. Actually, not just scrutiny, plain bulls***.
I suppose we can only hope to have people that actually care about the education of the children in this district get their names on the ballot for the next election.
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Fifth, the board members may have very well made a bad decision. I guess that's why we have elections every two years to let voters decide that. Too bad you spoiled children didn't agree with our democratic process.
Again, why should the voters only be listened to during elections? There's a serious problem with the way things are being run in this district (and no, I'm not talking about school lunch.) Does this mean we need to kick back and wait until the next election? You can see by the recall petition that nobody intends to wait that long.
I've said it more than once; the education of the students in this district is of prime importance. The purpose of the Governing Board is to make decisions in the best interest of the education process and the internal operation of the school district. School lunch doesn't fall under either of those categories; in my opinion, the Board should defer to the community for the answers to the questions brought up by such decisions.
Adam, you said it all. It's a shame that in a few days, someone will say the exact same things that you responded to, and either you or someone else will have to say this again.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 08:21 pm |
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Let me correct you on a couple of things, Frankie.
First, the only thing I am really upset about is I live among people who feel the most important factor in their children's education is whether their children eat in a school cafeteria or at Taco Bell. It doesn't really make me very excited about the future.
Once again, you need to take my advice and look at the big picture. I have to agree that I could also care less whether I eat at school or elsewhere (as I've said on many occasions.) However, the fact that the Governing Board chose to single-handedly overrule a decision that was agreed upon last year by the Board, the administrators, and the majority of the community after months (if not years) of consideration by staff and committees is disturbing.
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Second, let me remind you what happened at the ballot box. You all seem to forget exactly what happened here. It has been brought up many times on these blogs, but it somehow gets lost in your argument. The voters voted these people in. The candidates stated their positions on this lunch issue. Your reference to Joe McCarthy is completely idiotic and is not germaine to anything. Because you and your band of believers did not like the outcome, you decided to create havoc in the district. Period. Like spoiled children. Period. Spoiled children create spoiled children. Period.
You're absolutely right; the voters did choose our current Governing Board. However, you can see that the majority of the people that have become involved in this situation have expressed their disapproval of some members of the Board. Why should the voices of the voters only be heard during elections, and not during the actual operation of the school district?
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Third, the ability to choose who governs you is what this country is built on. We choose who governs through the ballot box, not through a one-sided web site with the one-sided crap that you spew out on a regular basis..
No argument there. That being said, we should also be able to choose how we're being goverened through contact with the Board. Whether that means sending them emails or speaking at the meetings, the community should always be listened to. No, posting on this website or on a personal blog probably isn't going to change any Board decisions. However, we should be using these resources as a forum of ideas and discussion as to moving forward, not being stuck in the mud like we are now.
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Fourth, I could really care less if Kathy Knecht is recalled. Although she was 100% correct in the taco incident, she is not what this district needs as she doesn't impress me in the least. I'm not even sure what this district needs at this point. I don't even know who in the right mind would want to run after the scrutiny these members have had to put up with. Actually, not just scrutiny, plain bulls***.
I suppose we can only hope to have people that actually care about the education of the children in this district get their names on the ballot for the next election.
AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Fifth, the board members may have very well made a bad decision. I guess that's why we have elections every two years to let voters decide that. Too bad you spoiled children didn't agree with our democratic process.
Again, why should the voters only be listened to during elections? There's a serious problem with the way things are being run in this district (and no, I'm not talking about school lunch.) Does this mean we need to kick back and wait until the next election? You can see by the recall petition that nobody intends to wait that long.
I've said it more than once; the education of the students in this district is of prime importance. The purpose of the Governing Board is to make decisions in the best interest of the education process and the internal operation of the school district. School lunch doesn't fall under either of those categories; in my opinion, the Board should defer to the community for the answers to the questions brought up by such decisions.
Last edited on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 08:22 pm by Adam Maras
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 07:43 pm |
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Frank1234 wrote: AREYOUKIDDING ME, you are watching an democratic process take place. The only reason you could possibly be upset is in the realization they have a very good chance of recalling Kathy Knecht.
The ability to choose who governs you is what this country was built on. Reading what you have to say, I am beginning to believe you think Joe McCarthy is a hero. And given enough time, you would like to see Knecht, Murphy and Douglas hold un-American hearing inside the PUSD boardroom.
The solution to this issue is simple, put it back to the way it was before. Joe is right, it was a win win.
Knecht, Douglas and Murphy made a bad decision and it will be their undoing. There is a good chance Knecht will be recalled. Douglas will get beat and Murphy will get beat out of his state seat. The most entertaining part of that scenario will be watching Murphy for two more years try to push his views on the rest of us and justify why his kids are not in PUSD schools.
Let me correct you on a couple of things, Frankie.
First, the only thing I am really upset about is I live among people who feel the most important factor in their children's education is whether their children eat in a school cafeteria or at Taco Bell. It doesn't really make me very excited about the future.
Second, let me remind you what happened at the ballot box. You all seem to forget exactly what happened here. It has been brought up many times on these blogs, but it somehow gets lost in your argument. The voters voted these people in. The candidates stated their positions on this lunch issue. Your reference to Joe McCarthy is completely idiotic and is not germaine to anything. Because you and your band of believers did not like the outcome, you decided to create havoc in the district. Period. Like spoiled children. Period. Spoiled children create spoiled children. Period.
Third, the ability to choose who governs you is what this country is built on. We choose who governs through the ballot box, not through a one-sided web site with the one-sided crap that you spew out on a regular basis..
Fourth, I could really care less if Kathy Knecht is recalled. Although she was 100% correct in the taco incident, she is not what this district needs as she doesn't impress me in the least. I'm not even sure what this district needs at this point. I don't even know who in the right mind would want to run after the scrutiny these members have had to put up with. Actually, not just scrutiny, plain bulls***.
Fifth, the board members may have very well made a bad decision. I guess that's why we have elections every two years to let voters decide that. Too bad you spoiled children didn't agree with our democratic process.
Last edited on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 08:00 pm by AREYOUKIDDING ME
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 06:01 pm |
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AREYOUKIDDING ME, you are watching an democratic process take place. The only reason you could possibly be upset is in the realization they have a very good chance of recalling Kathy Knecht.
The ability to choose who governs you is what this country was built on. Reading what you have to say, I am beginning to believe you think Joe McCarthy is a hero. And given enough time, you would like to see Knecht, Murphy and Douglas hold un-American hearing inside the PUSD boardroom.
The solution to this issue is simple, put it back to the way it was before. Joe is right, it was a win win.
Knecht, Douglas and Murphy made a bad decision and it will be their undoing. There is a good chance Knecht will be recalled. Douglas will get beat and Murphy will get beat out of his state seat. The most entertaining part of that scenario will be watching Murphy for two more years try to push his views on the rest of us and justify why his kids are not in PUSD schools.
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