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JamesT wrote: Justice, I'm beginning to wonder if you even read AREYOUKIDDING ME's last post, or those from last weekend. He was verbally and intellectually pummeled, and two days later he came back with a rambling, nonsensical diatribe with the sentence construction of a third grader. To make matters worse, it made no sense.
Like it or not, AnneR has it right.
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Just curious... What didn't you understand?
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I, and most others, tuned you out a long time ago. You are simply an idiot. But, James, I am surprised anyone would have your view of this wreck.
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It seems our friend AREYOUKIDDING ME has not only lost his sense of humor, but he has also lost his mind.
Who knew watching someone go insane on line would be so fun? What we really need is a new Emoticon with a foaming mouth just for when AREYOUKIDDING ME posts.
Based on his today's antics, a revised score:
Apache Mom 13 AREYOUKIDDING ME 0
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Justice, I'm beginning to wonder if you even read AREYOUKIDDING ME's last post, or those from last weekend. He was verbally and intellectually pummeled, and two days later he came back with a rambling, nonsensical diatribe with the sentence construction of a third grader. To make matters worse, it made no sense.
Like it or not, AnneR has it right.
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AnneR wrote: A poor choice. Your response lacks logic, and your temper and name calling shows that you are grasping at straws, desperately, I might add.
Hang it up, AREYOUKIDDING ME. The only one who has lost credibility is you.
By the way, love the stealth post. You didn't have the stones to post this last night when we were online at the same time. Not only do you lack credibility, you are a complete coward.
FINAL SCORE
Apache Mom 12 AREYOUKIDDING ME 0
I couldn't disagree more, AnneR. I think Apache might want to think twice before tangling with AREYOUKIDDING ME again. I know I will!!
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dadof3 wrote: If you people were 12, I'd send you to your rooms. Unfortunately, you're all parents. God help us all.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. And that's quite sad, coming from the high-schooler.
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A poor choice. Your response lacks logic, and your temper and name calling shows that you are grasping at straws, desperately, I might add.
Hang it up, AREYOUKIDDING ME. The only one who has lost credibility is you.
By the way, love the stealth post. You didn't have the stones to post this last night when we were online at the same time. Not only do you lack credibility, you are a complete coward.
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Apache Mom 12 AREYOUKIDDING ME 0
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With all due respect to dadof3, who has indicated I am beating a dead horse, I plead guilty. I am 52 going on 12, guilty. I apologize, but I love a good verbal brawl and I really can’t resist this last little salvo with Apache Mommy. I promise I will go away for a while and give everybody a needed break from me, but I must do this last one. It’s a sickness.
Apache Mommy, shall we continue? We shall:
First of all, let’s get some ground rules straight here. I believe you had indicated you didn’t like my tone, isn’t that what you said? Let’s see, how did it go?
Finally, I do not appreciate your tone. If you are unable to hold a civil conversation, then I suggest you find a new hobby.
This is coming from a “lady” who shot off this little nugget to me in a prior post. Remember this?
Tell me Teddy, is that a family portrait, or your dream date? (referring to sheep)
My point here Apache Mommy, let’s try not to be a hypocrite here. I know this is a stretch for you, but you can get in the gutter with the worst of us, even if you are a proud graduate of Leadership West. So when I call you a pretentious, pompous windbag in the next few salvos, I won’t feel the least bit guilty about it, okay?
Let’s recap our friendly little exchanges shall we?
Let’s start with one of your final posts shall we? When your whole argument was breaking down, you said this:
Oh please, AREYOUKIDDING ME, are you so bent on "winning" that you will twist what I say? Please leave this sleazy tactic to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
I never said that every vote cast was done so blindly, but a significant portion were. Your vote, by your own admission, was one of them. Also, I never said the candidates hid anything. What I said is that they did not address the lunchtime issue in their printed and web campaign materials, their signs, or in the Q&As that were posted on the Republic's web site. The Q&As are much different animal than the article you posted, and were available throughout the election on the Republic's web site.
Is this really what you said Apache Mommy, is your nose still growing a bit? Let’s examine what you really said, shall we? By the way, I love it when people say this about winning, etc. It translates into Apache Mommy has some serious holes in her argument and Apache Mommy knows it.
As I recall, our whole little exchange started with you regurgitating your favorite statistics – our survey won 2600 to 1500, etc, etc., the same statistics I have heard numerous times from you. But then I brought up the one statistic that the flock has always had trouble with: you all lost the election. The two board members who said, before the election, they were going to close the campuses, won. If Apache Mommy’s precious statistics were so overwhelming, what exactly happened? How did Apache Mommy respond??
As for the election results, there is very much a logical explanation: most people didn’t know for whom they were voting. You claim Knecht and Murphy ran on a platform of closing campuses, but we both know that isn’t true. Closing campuses was not mentioned in either Mrs. Knecht’s or Mr. Murphy’s campaign literature, or on their campaign web sites (I have copies if you wish to examine them . . . oh for want of a scanner!). The lunchtime policy was not an issue that was mentioned in newspaper endorsements. Throughout the campaign it was mentioned only once, and briefly at that, during one candidate forum. I was one of less than 30 people to attend that forum.
So, Apache Mommy doesn’t say it here, but kind of implies it was a bit of a secret, the candidates kind of pulled a rabbit out of their hat after the election. Is that accurate Apache Mommy? Here was my question to Apache Mommy:
Apache Mommy - Why did I, as completely uninformed as you say I am, know what their stance was on the lunch program? Why? For you and the other sheep to now say we didn't know is just plain weak. If this was such an important issue to all of you, did you ask them? Why didn't you know? Unfortunately the uninformed vote counts just the same as the informed one.
This is where Apache Mommy starts pulling things out of her a**.
Unless you attended that one candidate forum, you had no idea where any of the candidates stood on the lunchtime issue. I, on the other hand, did know because, as I said, I was one of less than 30 people to attend that particular candidate forum. I am also a graduate of Leadership West, and had worked with Mrs. Knecht in the past. Through that experience I knew she was unsuited for public office. That is why I did not vote for her.
Do you mind if I repeat this one? (And wow, Leadership West, you say? I've been told students either go to Duke University or Leadership West).
Unless you attended that one candidate forum, you had no idea where any of the candidates stood on the lunchtime issue. I, on the other hand, did know because, as I said, I was one of less than 30 people to attend that particular candidate forum. I am also a graduate of Leadership West, and had worked with Mrs. Knecht in the past. Through that experience I knew she was unsuited for public office. That is why I did not vote for her.
Am I thoroughly just an idiot, or did she just have the balls to say the absolute only means for me to know about the lunch positions was to have attended this conference? Oh man, Apache Mommy, your credibility is starting to show some serious cracks here.
I had indicated to Apache Mommy, I think you’re wrong because I remember reading an article in the Republic about each candidate’s lunch positions. I said:
Actually, I did know about it because it was reported in the AZ Republic and there was actually a whole conversation on one of these blogs about this very article. You are the most pompous windbag, Apache Mommy.
Which Apache Mommy responded:
I believe you and the truth have parted company.
I have a copies of the AZ Republic candidate Q&A to which you refer (for the record, I have kept all of this information because I used it for a political science course). Closed campuses are never mentioned in any of the Q&As from the Republic.
Apache Mommy, your credibility is now on life support. Are you sure about this one because you are going to look really bad aren’t you if I pull out this article…Oh wait, here it is now, $2.50 lighter, but well worth it to be able to show Apache Mommy for what she is:a pompous, pretentious windbag.
October 7, 2006
Section: Peoria Republic
Edition: Final Chaser
Page: 5
Column EORIA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT ELECTION - NOV. 7
BOARD CANDIDATES EXPRESS VIEWS
Meghan E. Moravcik, The Arizona Republic
Peoria governing board candidates came out Wednesday night to explain their stances on closed campuses, teacher retention and using district e-mail addresses vs. personal e-mail addresses.
The candidates are vying for two seats on the governing board of Arizona's fourth-largest school district in the Nov. 7 election. Incumbents Pati Coury and Pam Ferguson are facing challengers Kathy Knecht, Debbie Lesko and Rick Murphy. Write-in candidate Mark White recently joined the race but was not involved in the forum.
The event was co-sponsored by the Peoria United Parent Council and The Peoria Republic, and it drew about 100 community members.
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PATI COURY
On how to take the district to the next level: School officials now are working on a process to modernize the way high school students learn and are prepared for the rest of their lives. Start at the high schools and bring it down to the elementary schools, Coury said.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Coury has set up an e-mail account for district business, although it is not a district-assigned address. She said this keeps the district-related e-mails separate from her personal e-mails.
On whether spending more money makes for better-educated students: Coury said it's more than just how much money is spent; it's where you put that money. Peoria has used override money to bring in things like nurses, librarians and intervention specialists.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Coury prefers the current request for future items, but isn't necessarily opposed to having a call to the public.
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PAM FERGUSON
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Ferguson said the board made the right decision by closing campuses to all high school students, except juniors and seniors with a "C" average and who have parent permission. "That tells me we did the right thing, because we had parents who wanted them closed and parents who wanted parental rights," she said.
On whether spending more money makes for better-educated students: Ferguson said districts always need more money to educate students, and what Peoria gets from the state just isn't enough. She said that's why the district searches for other revenue sources.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Ferguson said she prefers the request for future items because the item can then come back at another meeting for discussion. If a community member just wants to make a comment or ask a question, board members cannot respond.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Ferguson said public money should go to public schools.
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KATHY KNECHT
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Knecht said she thinks the campuses should be completely closed for all students. She said the schools' priority is to keep the kids safe, and that as a parent, she expects students to always be accounted for.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Knecht said that private and religious schools do have a place in the community, but that public money should not be used for private schools or religious schools. She said she thinks putting public money into religious schools violates the separation of church and state.
On student substance abuse: Knecht said she has been impressed with programs in the Peoria schools that address this issue. She said one way to keep kids from using illegal substances might be to spread the word that the majority of kids don't use those substances. So it doesn't mean kids aren't cool or won't be popular if they don't use them -- they're actually in the norm.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Knecht said she supports board members using a district-assigned e-mail address. "Anything that would help improve the communication ," she said.
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DEBBIE LESKO
On how to take the district to the next level: Lesko said one key is to make sure that students excel in the core, basic classes. Also, she said decreasing class size, increasing teacher salary and raising expectations for students are important.
On how to retain quality teachers: The district needs to offer competitive pay, Lesko said. There should be more of an emphasis on retaining experienced teachers than there is on giving them incentives, such as certain retirement perks, to leave.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Lesko said the focus needs to be on education, no matter what school it is. Increased educational opportunities are good, "as long as it doesn't take away from public education," she said.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Lesko supports assigning board members district e-mail addresses because those e-mails, which are public record, would be more accessible to the community.
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RICK MURPHY
On how to take the district to the next level: The district "used to be at that next level," Murphy said. Paying teachers more would help, he said. Without more pay, the district's best teachers will continue to leave.
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Murphy said the campuses should be closed for all students. His high school had an open campus, and "I remember the shenanigans that went on." He fears kids will rush, risking their safety.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Murphy supports having a "call to the public" section that is early in the meeting. "Open communication is something we need to increase," he said. He said having a call to the public would provide more accountability for the board to listen to the community.
On whether he supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Part of listening to parents, Murphy said, is letting them decide where their children will be best educated. Especially in areas where the public schools don't do a good job of educating students, parents need to have options, he said.
CAPTION: 1. Pati Coury CAPTION: 2. Pam Ferguson CAPTION: 3. Kathy Knecht CAPTION: 4. Debbie Lesko CAPTION: 5. Rick Murphy
Copyright (c) The Arizona Republic. All rights reserved. Reproduced with the permission of Gannett Co., Inc. by NewsBank, inc.
Oh s***, Apache Mommy is in panic here. She never thought I would actually find the article I had read, along with probably countless others who had read the same article.. She has to come up with something…. Oh yeah, this is what she’ll say:
My research paper was based on the media coverage (or lack of it) of Peoria, Deer Valley and Phoenix school board elections. The article you were so good to copy never appeared in the print versions of the paper, and was posted for only three days on the Republic's web site. I know this, because it was an important piece of my research paper. I thought it was remarkably irresponsible of the Republic to not make the article easily accessible throughout the campaign. And now, it's unfair to you. Pity, really.
Mind if I repeat this?
and was posted for only three days on the Republic's web site
At this point, I was a little confused. I know I’m an idiot and all of that, isn’t three days enough and didn’t you say this:
Unless you attended that one candidate forum, you had no idea where any of the candidates stood on the lunchtime issue. I, on the other hand, did know because, as I said, I was one of less than 30 people to attend that particular candidate forum. I am also a graduate of Leadership West, and had worked with Mrs. Knecht in the past.
Are you saying that it takes someone like me and others at least three days or more of daily reading from the same Republic article in order to catch on to the positions of the candidates on the lunch issue or what are you saying here and would you like to retract your whole argument you pretentious, pompous windbag graduate of Leadership West?
Thank you, Apache Mommy, I just love to expose a BSer. I feel so much better now. Perhaps you should leave any deep thinking to the Great Shepherd of the Sheep.
And Ok, Dadof3, I’ll try and be 52 for a little while. I’ve had my fun…..
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OK, I lied.
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The blow out countinues.
Seriously, AREYOUKIDDING ME, you are straining credibility. You've tried all day to argue with someone intellectually superior to you -- a person with better reason, better logic and a holy host of research to back up what she's saying. But, like a junkyard dog, you keep coming back after getting kicked in the face time and again. Tell me you're not that stupid.
You voted to shake up the status quo? That's BS on a stick! You didn't know who the hell you were voting for. You not only admitted that, you've proven it with your ill considered posts today. You have continually contradicted yourself, and now you're just embarrassing. Still, there are a lot people like me who are glad you're finally getting your comeuppance.
Please, don't bother voting next time. You don't know what you're doing, or what they hell you're talking about. You set a lousy example for kids and citizens everywhere.
And you, dadof3, have no room to talk, so shut up and crawl back under the rock from which you came.
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| If you people were 12, I'd send you to your rooms. Unfortunately, you're all parents. God help us all.
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If that were true, I suspect you would have mentioned that before. Now you're just making things up.
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| No, let me correct you here. My vote was not cast blindly. My vote was one to shake up the status quo and I thought Kathy Knecht was one that would possibly do that. With the exception of the Bernier incident where I thought she was very impressive, she has proven to be a weak and ineffective member of the board who does not come prepared and I will not vote for her again. Big difference there, Apache Mommy. Last edited on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 03:43 am by AREYOUKIDDING ME
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OK (sigh!)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Sorry. It's the last time. I promise.
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Anne . . . please . . .
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Sorry, Mom, but I just can't resist watching and reporting on a blowout. You're simply intellectually superior to AREYOUKIDDING ME, and I cannot resist pointing it out.
For your informaton AREYOUKIDDING ME, there are a number of folks out there who aren't as lucky as us to have home computers. Lots of them. When people are stuggling just to make their mortgage payments, things like cable TV and internet services are the first to go. And where I work, internet access is limited to work-based sites (and that doesn't include the Arizona Redundant or AZ Central). I suspect that's par for the course for many companies. And, really, you hit an Internet cafe at lunch? I guess that's understandable. Given what an insensitive lout you've proven yourself to be, you probably don't have many friends.
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Oh please, AREYOUKIDDING ME, are you so bent on "winning" that you will twist what I say? Please leave this sleazy tactic to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
I never said that every vote cast was done so blindly, but a significant portion were. Your vote, by your own admission, was one of them. Also, I never said the candidates hid anything. What I said is that they did not address the lunchtime issue in their printed and web campaign materials, their signs, or in the Q&As that were posted on the Republic's web site. The Q&As are much different animal than the article you posted, and were available throughout the election on the Republic's web site.
I do not base my opinions on emotion, but on actual research. My paper was based on the theory that there wasn't enough coverage of school board elections, despite the fact that school boards have more to do with your kids and your money than any elected position (thus the extensive research). Part of my research was to poll people coming out of three different Peoria voting precincts. They were asked who they voted for in the governing board race and why. Out of more than 330 interviews, only 40 percent could tell me who they voted for, AND THEY HAD JUST VOTED! The most popular answer I received is that they voted for the two candidates at the top of the ballot. One person told me he voted for Pam Ferguson because he saw her sign as he pulled in to vote. I was absolutely dumbfounded! To be clear, I did not run around to three voting sites. I was at one, and had friends help at two others, not to mention the OK for the Maricopa County Elections Department to do the research. After that adventure, we all needed a few glasses of wine.
Much as I would prefer that AnneR find a more constructive way to help me, she did suggest something interesting: Ask your neighbors to name the members of the governing board. Frankly, I’m not sure I want to know the answer.
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Apache Mom wrote: The article you were so good to copy never appeared in the print versions of the paper, and was posted for only three days on the Republic's web site.
Let me ask you Apache Mommy, aren't you backpedaling a bit here? Do you get on the AZCENTRAL.COM? Your original statement was there was never any coverage of the candidates' views except for the thirty people in at this Q & A and now you're saying there was actually only three days of coverage? Are you saying this lunch crowd is not capable of getting on a computer or just what are you saying? Don't you, as I do, check both the printed and Internet version of the Republic and other papers daily? And if this was such a revelation to the few people that actually knew about it, this would not have been spread around like wildfire? Maybe it is that the one hole in this big picture that your little flock still can't understand was how they won?Last edited on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 03:19 am by AREYOUKIDDING ME
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| So that's your story and you're sticking to it, eh Apache Mommy? So, you're saying this was a complete surprise to all the voters in the district? That this was a secret that only came out after the election? No one ever asked them at any of the Q & A sessions and at this particular Q & A, they both let it slip out? Come on, you seem to be reasonably intelligent, very pompous, but reasonably intelligent, you're going to hang your whole argument on the premise that nobody (or very few) knew about it? WOW!!! Last edited on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 03:02 am by AREYOUKIDDING ME
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I'm sorry, I was wrong. I really should check all the posts before giving the score. Please allow me to correct myself:
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Again, a thousand pardons.
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First, I want to thank tenretni. The kind of honesty you displayed is what makes this country great. If only your boy AREYOUKIDDING ME would use you as an example.
Speaking of AREYOURKIDDING ME, here's how Apache Mom put him in his place:
AREYOUKIDDING ME, I absolutely love reading your posts. Your leaps of . . . ummmm . . . “logic” continue to amaze me.
In your last post alone you have called a statement based on the statistics provided by the police departments of both Glendale and Peoria “illogical.” Really? Is that because those statistics disprove you argument in regard to kids leaving the campuses for lunch? Or do you not understand numbers? Here’s a hint: 2 + 2 = 4. It really is that simple.
As for the election results, there is very much a logical explanation: most people didn’t know for whom they were voting. You claim Knecht and Murphy ran on a platform of closing campuses, but we both know that isn’t true. Closing campuses was not mentioned in either Mrs. Knecht’s or Mr. Murphy’s campaign literature, or on their campaign web sites (I have copies if you wish to examine them . . . oh for want of a scanner!). The lunchtime policy was not an issue that was mentioned in newspaper endorsements. Throughout the campaign it was mentioned only once, and briefly at that, during one candidate forum. I was one of less than 30 people to attend that forum.
To further prove that people didn’t know who they were voting for, I turn to an irrefutable source on this matter: AREYOUKIDDING ME.
In a March 30 post on this forum you stated, “What is a bit ironic is I do not support Kathy Knecht, voted for her in last election but will not if she runs again…” In other words, you didn’t realize who you voted for. What is shocking is that this comes from you, someone who claims they attend or watch every governing board meeting, and someone who claims to be well informed.
But, clearly, you weren’t . . . then or now.
Dance all you want, but as I said before, the atmosphere of animosity we currently find ourselves in is the creation of the sanctimonious members of the UPC. Had they not created an issue out of the lunchtime policy, none of this silliness, including an attempted recall, would have ensued. If you want to blame someone for this mess, find a member of the UPC, that is, if you can find them. Like cowards, they have dropped out of sight, leaving others to clean up the mess they left.
WOOF, WOOF! You've been bit by the A-Dog again!
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Well, AREYOUKIDDING ME, I see you spent your dollar at the Republic web site.
Now for the bad news: things aren't always as they appear.
My research paper was based on the media coverage (or lack of it) of Peoria, Deer Valley and Phoenix school board elections. The article you were so good to copy never appeared in the print versions of the paper, and was posted for only three days on the Republic's web site. I know this, because it was an important piece of my research paper. I thought it was remarkably irresponsible of the Republic to not make the article easily accessible throughout the campaign. And now, it's unfair to you. Pity, really.
I also have all of the Peoria and Glendale Republics from that time, and would be delighted to share them with you so that you can see for yourself that I speak the truth. Or, if you cannot keep your temper in check, you can visit the Republic's office at 75th and Bell. I'm sure they have an archive of the printed editions for you to examine. Either way, in the end, you will come away disappointed.
And, finally, I didn't say they didn't tell anyone. I said they did not include it in any of their campaign materials, or on their campaign web sites. If you're going to quote me, at least have the courtesy to do it accurately.
And, again, please mind your tone. I am not one of your children.
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October 7, 2006
Section: Peoria Republic
Edition: Final Chaser
Page: 5
Column:PEORIA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT ELECTION - NOV. 7
BOARD CANDIDATES EXPRESS VIEWS
Meghan E. Moravcik, The Arizona Republic
Peoria governing board candidates came out Wednesday night to explain their stances on closed campuses, teacher retention and using district e-mail addresses vs. personal e-mail addresses.
The candidates are vying for two seats on the governing board of Arizona's fourth-largest school district in the Nov. 7 election. Incumbents Pati Coury and Pam Ferguson are facing challengers Kathy Knecht, Debbie Lesko and Rick Murphy. Write-in candidate Mark White recently joined the race but was not involved in the forum.
The event was co-sponsored by the Peoria United Parent Council and The Peoria Republic, and it drew about 100 community members.
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PATI COURY
On how to take the district to the next level: School officials now are working on a process to modernize the way high school students learn and are prepared for the rest of their lives. Start at the high schools and bring it down to the elementary schools, Coury said.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Coury has set up an e-mail account for district business, although it is not a district-assigned address. She said this keeps the district-related e-mails separate from her personal e-mails.
On whether spending more money makes for better-educated students: Coury said it's more than just how much money is spent; it's where you put that money. Peoria has used override money to bring in things like nurses, librarians and intervention specialists.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Coury prefers the current request for future items, but isn't necessarily opposed to having a call to the public.
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PAM FERGUSON
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Ferguson said the board made the right decision by closing campuses to all high school students, except juniors and seniors with a "C" average and who have parent permission. "That tells me we did the right thing, because we had parents who wanted them closed and parents who wanted parental rights," she said.
On whether spending more money makes for better-educated students: Ferguson said districts always need more money to educate students, and what Peoria gets from the state just isn't enough. She said that's why the district searches for other revenue sources.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Ferguson said she prefers the request for future items because the item can then come back at another meeting for discussion. If a community member just wants to make a comment or ask a question, board members cannot respond.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Ferguson said public money should go to public schools.
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KATHY KNECHT
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Knecht said she thinks the campuses should be completely closed for all students. She said the schools' priority is to keep the kids safe, and that as a parent, she expects students to always be accounted for.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Knecht said that private and religious schools do have a place in the community, but that public money should not be used for private schools or religious schools. She said she thinks putting public money into religious schools violates the separation of church and state.
On student substance abuse: Knecht said she has been impressed with programs in the Peoria schools that address this issue. She said one way to keep kids from using illegal substances might be to spread the word that the majority of kids don't use those substances. So it doesn't mean kids aren't cool or won't be popular if they don't use them -- they're actually in the norm.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Knecht said she supports board members using a district-assigned e-mail address. "Anything that would help improve the communication ," she said.
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DEBBIE LESKO
On how to take the district to the next level: Lesko said one key is to make sure that students excel in the core, basic classes. Also, she said decreasing class size, increasing teacher salary and raising expectations for students are important.
On how to retain quality teachers: The district needs to offer competitive pay, Lesko said. There should be more of an emphasis on retaining experienced teachers than there is on giving them incentives, such as certain retirement perks, to leave.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Lesko said the focus needs to be on education, no matter what school it is. Increased educational opportunities are good, "as long as it doesn't take away from public education," she said.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Lesko supports assigning board members district e-mail addresses because those e-mails, which are public record, would be more accessible to the community.
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RICK MURPHY
On how to take the district to the next level: The district "used to be at that next level," Murphy said. Paying teachers more would help, he said. Without more pay, the district's best teachers will continue to leave.
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Murphy said the campuses should be closed for all students. His high school had an open campus, and "I remember the shenanigans that went on." He fears kids will rush, risking their safety.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Murphy supports having a "call to the public" section that is early in the meeting. "Open communication is something we need to increase," he said. He said having a call to the public would provide more accountability for the board to listen to the community.
On whether he supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Part of listening to parents, Murphy said, is letting them decide where their children will be best educated. Especially in areas where the public schools don't do a good job of educating students, parents need to have options, he said.
CAPTION: 1. Pati Coury CAPTION: 2. Pam Ferguson CAPTION: 3. Kathy Knecht CAPTION: 4. Debbie Lesko CAPTION: 5. Rick Murphy
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Apache Mom wrote:
Actually, I did know about it because it was reported in the AZ Republic and there was actually a whole conversation on one of these blogs about this very article. You are the most pompous windbag, Apache Mommy. Why didn't you shout this from the highest mountaintop if you were only one of thirty who knew about this? You asked me about why I'm not voting for Knecht again and it has nothing to do with lunch. You assume I gave a s*** about whether my kids had to eat in a cafeteria or not. I didn't and still don't.
I believe you and the truth have parted company.
I have a copies of the AZ Republic candidate Q&A to which you refer (for the record, I have kept all of this information because I used it for a political science course). Closed campuses are never mentioned in any of the Q&As from the Republic.
I made my feelings on the candidates know in appropriate venues. As for shouting, I leave that to you and your ilk. It seems to be what you do best.
And, for the record, I did not ask you why you wouldn't vote for Mrs. Knecht again. I simply quoted what you said to demonstrate the point I was making: that you had no idea where the candidates stood when you voted for them. And you didn't.
Finally, I do not appreciate your tone. If you are unable to hold a civil conversation, then I suggest you find a new hobby.
Let's boil this down Apache Mommy. Your stance is that the reason these two candidates were elected because they never told anyone they were in favor of closing the campuses and they only told thirty or so people at this meeting ? Is that your stance or would you like to back up a couple of miles? You see this article dated October 2006? Don't you understand how completely idiotic this statement is that they simply didn't tell anyone? It is the one big hole in all the statistics, etc., you are quoting isn't it? The voters voted them in....
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tenretni wrote: Just curious, Apache Mom: you are saving AzRep articles for your PoliSci class? Are you also saving all the articles from the AzRep regarding lunchtime accidents? And, the editorials where the AzRep applauds PUSD for closing campuses? And the articles that quote Glendale and Peoria police spokespersons who are in favor of closing campuses during lunch? I didn't think so. Also, one more question, Mom. What difference does it really make to you whether the campuses are open or closed? Or, is it just the principle of the thing with you, and the fact that your designated candidates did not get re-elected last time? Well, Mom, get busy and start campaigning (put your politicial studies to good work here, and rather than spend so much time on this blog, get out and convince everyone that we need to elect governing board members who will open the campuses for lunch, because - let's face it - there's nothing more important than a taco. If this is the dealer maker, then the PUSD is really in sad shape.
No. I saved election articles, campagin materials and campaign web site postings for my class. The articles that you refer to ran long after the campaign (and my class) was over, and had nothing to do with my studies.
I did notice, though, that as you rattled off your list that you neglected to mention the Republic article that pointed out that most school districts have policy in place that allows students to leave campus with parent permission without having to check in at the office daily. Is it me, or does that sound familiar?
You pose an interesting question: "What difference does it really make to you whether the campuses are open or closed?" Well, what difference does it make to you? Or better yet, if it's not such a big deal as you imply, then why did the cowards in the UPC bring it up to begin with? In my mind, that's the real question. The UPC needs to address that question, and we already know that safety isn't a truthful answer.
As for the accident statistics, those were provided to the lunchtime policy committee, and are still available on the school district's web site. As I said before, they stand on their own. As for the Glendale and Peoria police spokesmen, they're entitled to their opinions, but their department's own findings fail to back them up.
And, really, you're hardly one to speak about spending time on this forum. You spend much more time here than I do. Perhaps it time for you to find a new hobby, too. Also, your post smacks of "tit-for-tat." I think you can do better.
And believe me tenretni, I plan to be much more active and vocal in the 2008 election.
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Nope, AnneR, it's not possible. Heck- I don't even know what germane means.
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tenretni, is it possible for you to make a germane argument?
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Just curious, Apache Mom: you are saving AzRep articles for your PoliSci class? Are you also saving all the articles from the AzRep regarding lunchtime accidents? And, the editorials where the AzRep applauds PUSD for closing campuses? And the articles that quote Glendale and Peoria police spokespersons who are in favor of closing campuses during lunch? I didn't think so. Also, one more question, Mom. What difference does it really make to you whether the campuses are open or closed? Or, is it just the principle of the thing with you, and the fact that your designated candidates did not get re-elected last time? Well, Mom, get busy and start campaigning (put your politicial studies to good work here, and rather than spend so much time on this blog, get out and convince everyone that we need to elect governing board members who will open the campuses for lunch, because - let's face it - there's nothing more important than a taco. If this is the dealer maker, then the PUSD is really in sad shape.
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Here you go you pompous windbag. No go away and take your dog Annie with you.
October 7, 2006
Section: Peoria Republic
Edition: Final Chaser
Page: 5
Column:PEORIA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT ELECTION - NOV. 7
BOARD CANDIDATES EXPRESS VIEWS
Meghan E. Moravcik, The Arizona Republic
Peoria governing board candidates came out Wednesday night to explain their stances on closed campuses, teacher retention and using district e-mail addresses vs. personal e-mail addresses.
The candidates are vying for two seats on the governing board of Arizona's fourth-largest school district in the Nov. 7 election. Incumbents Pati Coury and Pam Ferguson are facing challengers Kathy Knecht, Debbie Lesko and Rick Murphy. Write-in candidate Mark White recently joined the race but was not involved in the forum.
The event was co-sponsored by the Peoria United Parent Council and The Peoria Republic, and it drew about 100 community members.
***
PATI COURY
On how to take the district to the next level: School officials now are working on a process to modernize the way high school students learn and are prepared for the rest of their lives. Start at the high schools and bring it down to the elementary schools, Coury said.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Coury has set up an e-mail account for district business, although it is not a district-assigned address. She said this keeps the district-related e-mails separate from her personal e-mails.
On whether spending more money makes for better-educated students: Coury said it's more than just how much money is spent; it's where you put that money. Peoria has used override money to bring in things like nurses, librarians and intervention specialists.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Coury prefers the current request for future items, but isn't necessarily opposed to having a call to the public.
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PAM FERGUSON
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Ferguson said the board made the right decision by closing campuses to all high school students, except juniors and seniors with a "C" average and who have parent permission. "That tells me we did the right thing, because we had parents who wanted them closed and parents who wanted parental rights," she said.
On whether spending more money makes for better-educated students: Ferguson said districts always need more money to educate students, and what Peoria gets from the state just isn't enough. She said that's why the district searches for other revenue sources.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Ferguson said she prefers the request for future items because the item can then come back at another meeting for discussion. If a community member just wants to make a comment or ask a question, board members cannot respond.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Ferguson said public money should go to public schools.
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KATHY KNECHT
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Knecht said she thinks the campuses should be completely closed for all students. She said the schools' priority is to keep the kids safe, and that as a parent, she expects students to always be accounted for.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Knecht said that private and religious schools do have a place in the community, but that public money should not be used for private schools or religious schools. She said she thinks putting public money into religious schools violates the separation of church and state.
On student substance abuse: Knecht said she has been impressed with programs in the Peoria schools that address this issue. She said one way to keep kids from using illegal substances might be to spread the word that the majority of kids don't use those substances. So it doesn't mean kids aren't cool or won't be popular if they don't use them -- they're actually in the norm.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Knecht said she supports board members using a district-assigned e-mail address. "Anything that would help improve the communication ," she said.
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DEBBIE LESKO
On how to take the district to the next level: Lesko said one key is to make sure that students excel in the core, basic classes. Also, she said decreasing class size, increasing teacher salary and raising expectations for students are important.
On how to retain quality teachers: The district needs to offer competitive pay, Lesko said. There should be more of an emphasis on retaining experienced teachers than there is on giving them incentives, such as certain retirement perks, to leave.
On whether she supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Lesko said the focus needs to be on education, no matter what school it is. Increased educational opportunities are good, "as long as it doesn't take away from public education," she said.
On having district-assigned e-mail addresses instead of personal e-mail addresses: Lesko supports assigning board members district e-mail addresses because those e-mails, which are public record, would be more accessible to the community.
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RICK MURPHY
On how to take the district to the next level: The district "used to be at that next level," Murphy said. Paying teachers more would help, he said. Without more pay, the district's best teachers will continue to leave.
On closing high school campuses during lunchtime: Murphy said the campuses should be closed for all students. His high school had an open campus, and "I remember the shenanigans that went on." He fears kids will rush, risking their safety.
On whether to have a "call to the public" for community comments during board meetings, or keep the current "request for agenda items for future ... meetings": Murphy supports having a "call to the public" section that is early in the meeting. "Open communication is something we need to increase," he said. He said having a call to the public would provide more accountability for the board to listen to the community.
On whether he supports vouchers for private and religious schools: Part of listening to parents, Murphy said, is letting them decide where their children will be best educated. Especially in areas where the public schools don't do a good job of educating students, parents need to have options, he said.
CAPTION: 1. Pati Coury CAPTION: 2. Pam Ferguson CAPTION: 3. Kathy Knecht CAPTION: 4. Debbie Lesko CAPTION: 5. Rick Murphy
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Well now Dadof3, you're getting a little testy. You're also wrong. I never supported the recall.
In addition, dadof3, you're a massive hypocrite. You've been perfectly supportive of this type of "bullying" so long as AREYOUKIDDING ME was dishing it out. Now that AREYOUKIDDING ME is getting a taste of his own medicine, you want it to stop.
It's time for you to shut your pie hole and crawl back under the insignificant rock from which you came.
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| Anne, GET A LIFE.You apparently voted for somebody you didn't even know their positions, you lost the recall and now are getting your jollies bullying people on the forum. YOU LOST. GET OVER IT. WORK ON THE NEXT ELECTION. SHUT UP.
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Useless google search score:
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And let's not forget:
AREYOUKIDDING ME, I absolutely love reading your posts. Your leaps of . . . ummmm . . . “logic” continue to amaze me.
In your last post alone you have called a statement based on the statistics provided by the police departments of both Glendale and Peoria “illogical.” Really? Is that because those statistics disprove you argument in regard to kids leaving the campuses for lunch? Or do you not understand numbers? Here’s a hint: 2 + 2 = 4. It really is that simple.
As for the election results, there is very much a logical explanation: most people didn’t know for whom they were voting. You claim Knecht and Murphy ran on a platform of closing campuses, but we both know that isn’t true. Closing campuses was not mentioned in either Mrs. Knecht’s or Mr. Murphy’s campaign literature, or on their campaign web sites (I have copies if you wish to examine them . . . oh for want of a scanner!). The lunchtime policy was not an issue that was mentioned in newspaper endorsements. Throughout the campaign it was mentioned only once, and briefly at that, during one candidate forum. I was one of less than 30 people to attend that forum.
To further prove that people didn’t know who they were voting for, I turn to an irrefutable source on this matter: AREYOUKIDDING ME.
In a March 30 post on this forum you stated, “What is a bit ironic is I do not support Kathy Knecht, voted for her in last election but will not if she runs again…” In other words, you didn’t realize who you voted for. What is shocking is that this comes from you, someone who claims they attend or watch every governing board meeting, and someone who claims to be well informed.
But, clearly, you weren’t . . . then or now.
Dance all you want, but as I said before, the atmosphere of animosity we currently find ourselves in is the creation of the sanctimonious members of the UPC. Had they not created an issue out of the lunchtime policy, none of this silliness, including an attempted recall, would have ensued. If you want to blame someone for this mess, find a member of the UPC, that is, if you can find them. Like cowards, they have dropped out of sight, leaving others to clean up the mess they left.
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Driving while using the phone? You mean like 75% of the adults I see driving home?
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Here's another tip: quote statistics from Arizona. You know, like the ones presented by the Glendale and Peoria police.
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No, you don't need to go on, because page 8 proves what Apache Mom, Glendale Police and Peoria Police have already stated: that kids are more apt to get into accidents before and after school then at lunch.
At this point you might want to consider bringing in a relief pitcher. You know, someone smarter than you.
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