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dadof3 wrote: Teacher, which meeting did this allegedly happen at and which reporter were you sitting next to?
You are just as much a joke as Youareajoke! What difference does it make which meeting or which reporter?  You either believe her or you don't. Face it you don't want to know the truth, you don't want to believe that this might be going on so you are searching for reasons not to believe.  Have the guts to just say you don't believe it and let it go!
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dadof3 wrote: integrityforPUSD wrote:
I think it is possible that Kathy Knecht and/or Diane Douglas are friends with these ladies.   I think it is possible they have conversations about the issues facing the district. I think that they might possibly be going to the board meetings for various reasons including reminding one, the other or both about the conversations they have had regarding the issues facing the district.

 

I think it is possible you have gone over the edge of conspiracy theories.
You are welcome to your thoughts, but this is also why Diane Douglas and Rick Murphy are so reluctant to turn their emails over and/or are redacting information.
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Youareajoke, I know you didn't ask me, but I am still going comment regarding this.  I would say that Kathy Knecht is holding a public office.  And because she is holding a public office she should expect that the public will say things that may inflame or offend her.  She should be able to handle criticisms without losing her temper.  Keeping that in mind I would say that I would have found her offensive even if she had talked that way to an adult.  And frankly, I don't think she would have had the guts to speak to an adult with that tone of voice or in that manner.  Maybe someone should test that out....

Youareajoke, I would say you are the perfect person to offend people. How you put it to the test.  How about at the next board meeting you address Kathy Knecht and ask her how she feels about the recall.  Ask her how it feels for a board member to so offend and inflame students that they actually were the ones to start a recall.  Ask her how it feels to not even be in office for a year and be so disliked by the students she claims to serve that they want to get rid of her.  Hey, I am sure you can find words to inflame and offend her.  I challenge you to get Kathy Knecht to lose her temper with you.  I bet you can't do it, because I bet she isn't brave enough to talk that way to an adult. And do you know what that makes Kathy Knecht?  It makes her a bully!  HA!!!
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Teacher, which meeting did this allegedly happen at and which reporter were you sitting next to?
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I think it is possible that Kathy Knecht and/or Diane Douglas are friends with these ladies.   I think it is possible they have conversations about the issues facing the district. I think that they might possibly be going to the board meetings for various reasons including reminding one, the other or both about the conversations they have had regarding the issues facing the district.

 

I think it is possible you have gone over the edge of conspiracy theories.
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I know I am going to have to address my friend the teacher about her silly comparison she is trying to make. You remind me of a little chihuahua, PUSD, no matter how much they get kicked around, they always come back for more and they act like they're the baddest ass in the neighborhood. I thought after your spelling fiasco, we had put you away, but you keep coming back for more!

First of all, I will answer your little comparison if you promise never again to utter the phrase "nice spin". It is very seriously getting on my nerves. Because I really don't want to get in a full hand-to-hand debate about what was appropriate for who to say what, how about we say that I think both sides used very ill-advised references and both sides were way out of line in saying what they said. Okay, I said that, now what's your point?

Now here are my questions:

I'm really trying to understand this and you're not answering my question. What did Ms. Knecht do that would make me want to yank your certificate? Are you telling me that no teacher ever loses his or her temper with a student and every time this happens the teacher should be fired? Did she call her a brat or something worse? Was it the fact that she was somewhat emotional at a school board meeting? Does this person get a free pass because she is a freshman in high school and everybody thought how wonderful it was that that these kids would get up and talk at board meetings? Doesn't she give up her immunity when she comes to board meetings and starts playing grownup games like she did?

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Here is your first essay you sent. Do you think if I received something that was so badly written from my child's teacher that I should be concerned? Because I can tell you, this happens more than one would think. As bad as this is, I am sad to say there have been instances where I've received correspondence from teachers with run-on sentence after run-on sentence, incomplete sentences, or just papers that make absolutely no sense. Do you think this is okay if I were to receive this from a teacher; or do you simply take no pride in what you put on the paper and you feel this is not really an issue at all?

I have only left comments on this forum a few times, I find it better to just keep my mouth shut.  But, after reading this string, I have a few things to say.

AYKM, it is obvious that you have never gathered signitures for a candidate or for a ballot measure.  It is a true lesson in how uninformed people are, as our friend Adam has rightly pointed out. It's extraordinarliy difficult.  Anyone wanting to run for an elective office will have a hard time gathering enough signitures with a full allotment of time.  Those collecting signitures for the recall have half the time to gather twice the number of signitures than for a regular election.  While I'm disappointed in the execution of this recall (I have signed a petition), the sentiments that lead to it in the first place have not dissappeared.  You quote Erickson's blog, but you quote it out of context.  He also points out that the entire structure of a recall election is gamed so that it fails.  Funny how you leave that part out.

Dad, if you were aware of the history of what's been going on in this district the last few years, you would have a full understanding of why the nickname Sweetwater Bullies and Liars Club is accurate.  This is a group that intimidates their neighbors into submission if they dare have an opinion other than the one shared by Diane Douglas and Debbie Lesko.  They also try to intimidate teachers and administrators at their neighborhood school and the high school next door.  They are a group that has run at least three campaigns against additional funding for the school district.  That in and of itself is no big deal, but the fact that they lied throughout those elections is.  An example:  if the capital override passed the district was going to replace teachers with computers.  That's just plain stupid.  Another example: we need to use capital override dollars to pay teachers.  The problem is that school can't use capital dollars for salaries. It's against the law.  And there's plenty more lies from where those came from.

As for the Santimommies, just talk to one of them, should they deign to do so.  If they do speak to you, you'll be able to cut their contempt for you with a knife.  They claim to represent parents, but they don't.  They truly believe their opinions are more important than yours or mine, despite the fact that they are probably less qualified to render an opinion than either one of us.  They are responsible for the ugly divisiveness you see in our community, and frankly, they're the ones who taught the rest of us that in order to get anything done, you better be the loudest and play dirty.  They have yet to be right on a single issue and their credibility is zero.  Worst of all, now that they've splintered the school district, they have disappeared.  They may be the most cowardly group to ever crawl out from under a rock.

How do I know?  I've served on district committees with members from both groups. I attended one of the santimommy meetings a few years as a parent (unlike Rick Murphy, my two children attend Peoria schools). I had hoped to do some good as a member of what I thought was a legitimate parent group.  I left the meeting after it was decided to bring up a topic at a school board meeting because it was "controversial" and because they could spin it to make the governing board "look bad." And then they did.

Critisize Erickson and Rohrig all you want, but they are only playing the game started by these two groups, and they are playing it better.  What they have to say, while done tongue in cheek, resonates with far more members of this community than you may think (and especially among the faculty at the school where I teach, which is in the middle of the Sweetwater / Oakwood area).

I have seen these two small groups -- and they ARE small -- tear at the very fabric of this school district.  I moved here over 30 years ago, before I even had children, because I wanted to teach in the Peoria school system.  I wanted to be part of a group of people that takes education seriously, and to be part of a group that holds high standards for ourselves and the students we teach.  By all measures this is one of the finest school districts in the state, yet to listen to those two groups (not to mention Mrs. Douglas, Mrs. Knecht and Mr. Murphy) you would think otherwise.

What many of us are fighting for is to make sure they don't ruin an excellent school system; to make sure that micro managers like Mrs. Douglas and Mrs. Knecht and their followers stay out of the way of the people who know what they're doing. We don't claim that the school district is perfect, or that things can't be improved, but we believe that the people paid to make those decisions should be able to do so absent the political agendas of these two small groups.  We certainly believe in governing board oversight, but believe that they should stick to the duties for which they were elected, which according to the Arizona School Boards Association are: approve policy; approve a budget; hire/fire the superintendent.

Many of us don't feel that's too much to ask.

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Now go back to your dog.  He seems to be the smartest one in your family, or at least smarter than you.

Now come on, PUSDTeacher, I now my little witty thing about our spelling impaired public went way over your head, but don't you have any sense of humor at all? You can't tell me you didn't let out a small chuckle at Dadof3's scenarios with the signals?

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It will not change my opinion or anyone else who as seen Kathy perform live. 
 
I'm really try to get a handle on this notion that everyone's perception of what happens changes if you are there in person. Is this kind of like  the difference between listening to my hero Bruce Springsteen on a CD and seeing live at a concert? Is it because the acoustics are so much better in that cramped little room? As I said I go to most of the board meetings and I don't come away with seeing hand signals and frankly anything else that I don't see on the television.
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PUSD Teacher wrote: Dad, I was sitting next to the reporter and read the note they passed.  It suggested that the reporter take an inaccurate angle on the Challenger story.  Their signals aren't that complex.  It's either a slight nod of the head yes or no, or a thumbs up.  They don't give a signal until Ms. Knecht looks to them, which is on almost every vote.  They let her make up her own mind on the consent agenda.



Drugs??? What kind - some kind of mushroom that causes you to be delusional?

A person with delusional disorder can be quite functional and does not tend to show any odd or bizarre behavior except as a direct result of the delusional belief.  It often results in severe problems in spelling words correctly. "Despite the encapsulation of the delusional system and the relative sparing of the personality, the patient's way of life is likely to become more and more overwhelmed by the dominating effect of the abnormal beliefs".

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and Kathy Knecht's term in office will be fully validated. If you’re unable to back up your words with enough valid signatures, or win the election, you pretty much give the person you’re aiming at the right to claim they have the community’s support. And, after winning two elections, they can more than make the case that they do
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: integrityforPUSD wrote:
Hmm....good thing you recognize your dog signals because you aren't very good at human signals.  Tell me something, what if it is true?  Are you okay with a good ol girl groupies having that kind of influence on what happens in your children's schools?
And you tell me something, Integrity, what if pigs fly, are you okay with that? I bet you never thought about that at all?
First you have to tell me if you can fly, then I will tell you whether I thought of that or not.
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dadof3 wrote: Integrity, What could they possibly be signaling by waving a book? What do you think is possibly remotely happening? Like Paul Revere - one wave of the book equals vote yes; two waves of the book equals vote no? What if someone has been signaling Mrs. Raeder all these many years telling her how to vote. I think it might have been you! I saw you pick up your notepad you know, that must have been a signal! If you cross your legs, she's supposed to name the new school after Dr. Erb; if you cross your arms, it's name is Desert something or other. Take your glasses off means vote yes for the new Challenger Space Center deal; chew gum means vote no. I mean, do you REALLY believe this is happening?

I think it is possible that Kathy Knecht and/or Diane Douglas are friends with these ladies.   I think it is possible they have conversations about the issues facing the district. I think that they might possibly be going to the board meetings for various reasons including reminding one, the other or both about the conversations they have had regarding the issues facing the district.

I do not have a reasonable explaination why a grown adult would hold up a book and point at the book, while at a board meeting. Do you?

 
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Dad, I was sitting next to the reporter and read the note they passed.  It suggested that the reporter take an inaccurate angle on the Challenger story.  Their signals aren't that complex.  It's either a slight nod of the head yes or no, or a thumbs up.  They don't give a signal until Ms. Knecht looks to them, which is on almost every vote.  They let her make up her own mind on the consent agenda.

It's very entertaining because they think no one notices.

Now go back to your dog.  He seems to be the smartest one in your family, or at least smarter than you.

AYKM, stop being spineless and answer my questions: Why was it OK for those who advocated for the closed campuses to use dead teenagers as an example, but not Ms. Bernier? Are kids killed in accidents better than those innocently gunned down while eating lunch on campus? Don’t you think we should hold our elected officials to a higher standard of conduct than that of a 14-year-old?
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integrityforPUSD wrote:
Hmm....good thing you recognize your dog signals because you aren't very good at human signals.  Tell me something, what if it is true?  Are you okay with a good ol girl groupies having that kind of influence on what happens in your children's schools?
And you tell me something, Integrity, what if pigs fly, are you okay with that? I bet you never thought about that at all?
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Integrity, What could they possibly be signaling by waving a book? What do you think is possibly remotely happening? Like Paul Revere - one wave of the book equals vote yes; two waves of the book equals vote no? What if someone has been signaling Mrs. Raeder all these many years telling her how to vote. I think it might have been you! I saw you pick up your notepad you know, that must have been a signal! If you cross your legs, she's supposed to name the new school after Dr. Erb; if you cross your arms, it's name is Desert something or other. Take your glasses off means vote yes for the new Challenger Space Center deal; chew gum means vote no. I mean, do you REALLY believe this is happening?
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Another time, another time.
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote:
The last time I saw them there they sat on the side you usually sit at. The one woman has dark almost black hair with bangs. I don't recall what hair color the other woman has.
I will be there also on Tuesday. Where do you sit Integrity? I want to introduce myself to you. I am the strikingly handsome man with graying hair. I usually sit in the back next to the door close to the principals back there.
I haven't seen a  handsome man attend those meetings. You must be very conceited.   So sorry, I will not be there next Tuesday I have other plans.
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dadof3 wrote: They held up a book and you call that a voting signal?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Wait, the dog's looking in the kitchen garbage, it must be a "signal" that he's voting against Alpo tonight.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Hmm....good thing you recognize your dog signals because you aren't very good at human signals.  Tell me something, what if it is true?  Are you okay with a good ol girl groupies having that kind of influence on what happens in your children's schools?
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote:
The last time I saw them there they sat on the side you usually sit at. The one woman has dark almost black hair with bangs. I don't recall what hair color the other woman has.
I will be there also on Tuesday. Where do you sit Integrity? I want to introduce myself to you. I am the strikingly handsome man with graying hair. I usually sit in the back next to the door close to the principals back there.
Might I join in on the fun? I wouldn't miss this for the world.
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The last time I saw them there they sat on the side you usually sit at. The one woman has dark almost black hair with bangs. I don't recall what hair color the other woman has.
I will be there also on Tuesday. Where do you sit Integrity? I want to introduce myself to you. I am the strikingly handsome man with graying hair. I usually sit in the back next to the door close to the principals back there.
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and Kathy Knecht's term in office will be fully validated. If you’re unable to back up your words with enough valid signatures, or win the election, you pretty much give the person you’re aiming at the right to claim they have the community’s support. And, after winning two elections, they can more than make the case that they do
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: I'm going to throw it out to the group, but I am contemplating updating the countdown on an hourly basis until the end on April 9 at 5:00. Unlike members of our flock who don't feel this way, majority rules, so even if you voted and your side didn't win, you still have to live with the decision of the majority.

So, what do you think, group, yea for the hourly update, or nay keep as is....

OK, thanks everybody who voted. I appreciate it. The final vote was close, but it appears we will keep status quo.
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They held up a book and you call that a voting signal?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Wait, the dog's looking in the kitchen garbage, it must be a "signal" that he's voting against Alpo tonight.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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dadof3 wrote: Integrity and Teacher, I'm dead serious and hope you explain exactly what you're talking about so the rest of us don't miss the show. Otherwise, I've got to chalk it up to paranoia on your part. You both keep talking about these mysterious signals, but no concrete examples. If these ladies aren't at a meeting you think it's because they heard some nut-cases were watching them scratch their nose. I'd stay away too if I thought dropping my pen would get me accused of voting collusion. It really sounds like some of you are either lying, exagerating or just plain nuts. But thanks for the laughs, everyone at my house is getting quite a chuckle out of this and we are now making up our own family signals for things like who votes for Mexican food or Italian for dinner. Next the dog will want in on the act too. If he tilts his head to the left, that's his "signal" for a chocolate chip cookie, if he tilts his head to the right, that's his "signal" for hamburger leftovers. Raising his left paw means he's got to go number one; right paw means poop patrol.

The only one signal I saw was one of them holding up a book.  It was a book written by Joel Osteen, as if to remind either Kathy Knecht or Diane Douglas of his teachings.  Though other people have seen them signal in other ways, this is the first time I noticed them actually doing something visiable. 

And actually I think it is great anytime a family can find something to laugh together.  So, please continue to do so!

 
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Adam Maras wrote: Well, I guess this gives me something else to pay attention to on Tuesday. Are they visible from my usual position, to the left of and one seat back from the podium?

The last time I saw them there they sat on the side you usually sit at. The one woman has dark almost black hair with bangs. I don't recall what hair color the other woman has.

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Well, I guess this gives me something else to pay attention to on Tuesday. Are they visible from my usual position, to the left of and one seat back from the podium?
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Integrity and Teacher, I'm dead serious and hope you explain exactly what you're talking about so the rest of us don't miss the show. Otherwise, I've got to chalk it up to paranoia on your part. You both keep talking about these mysterious signals, but no concrete examples. If these ladies aren't at a meeting you think it's because they heard some nut-cases were watching them scratch their nose. I'd stay away too if I thought dropping my pen would get me accused of voting collusion. It really sounds like some of you are either lying, exagerating or just plain nuts. But thanks for the laughs, everyone at my house is getting quite a chuckle out of this and we are now making up our own family signals for things like who votes for Mexican food or Italian for dinner. Next the dog will want in on the act too. If he tilts his head to the left, that's his "signal" for a chocolate chip cookie, if he tilts his head to the right, that's his "signal" for hamburger leftovers. Raising his left paw means he's got to go number one; right paw means poop patrol.
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: integrityforPUSD wrote: Youareajoke, I can't tell....were you asking a question or making a statement?
You always call me that very hurtful name when I have displeased you about something. Like Cheyenne, I don't understand.....

You didn't answer the question, were you making a statement or asking a question?
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dadof3 wrote: Who is giving the signals? and why? and how do you know they're not just scratching their nose?
Go to a board meeting and watch them.  Apparently you are good at reading signals maybe you can report to us what it is exactly they are signaling.
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: integrityforPUSD wrote: I have witness them giving signals however, I can't tell if it was to Kathy Knecht or Diane Douglas. Would you mind investigating further and getting back to us on this?
Hmmmm....actually when it is mentioned that these ladies give signals they stop coming to the board meetings for a while.  Or, I guess they show up only when there is something on the agenda that they are interested in.
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Teacher, How do they signal? Seriously, please describe what exactly have you seen? Have you read any notes that you allege they passed to reporters? Maybe it said your fly is down or your slip is showing, for all you know.
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Once again, nice spin AYKM. Now stop being spineless and answer my questions: Why was it OK for those who advocated for the closed campuses to use dead teenagers as an example, but not Ms. Bernier? Are kids killed in accidents better than those innocently gunned down while eating lunch on campus? Don’t you think we should hold our elected officials to a higher standard of conduct than that of a 14-year-old?

And Dadof3, the signals are coming from Kim Olson and Jan Wilson. Just sit on the side at the next school board meeting and watch them. They slip notes to reporters trying to (unsuccessfully) influence how stories are covered, and they signal Kathy when it comes time to vote. It's quite entertaining.
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I'm going to throw it out to the group, but I am contemplating updating the countdown on an hourly basis until the end on April 9 at 5:00. Unlike members of our flock who don't feel this way, majority rules, so even if you voted and your side didn't win, you still have to live with the decision of the majority.

So, what do you think, group, yea for the hourly update, or nay keep as is....
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integrityforPUSD wrote: Youareajoke, I can't tell....were you asking a question or making a statement?
You always call me that very hurtful name when I have displeased you about something. Like Cheyenne, I don't understand.....
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integrityforPUSD wrote: I have witness them giving signals however, I can't tell if it was to Kathy Knecht or Diane Douglas. Would you mind investigating further and getting back to us on this?
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Who is giving the signals? and why? and how do you know they're not just scratching their nose?
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: Adam Maras wrote:
Also, I would ask you to remember that she also disrespected the President at the time (Pat Galbraith) by speaking over her before she had the floor. Kathy Knecht knew very well that she wasn't allowed to address Cheyenne until every Public Comment speaker had come and gone. She let her emotions cloud her judgement at that time. Again, I challenge you to find for me one person who attended that meeting, and disagrees with what I've said in this post.

Is this kind of like going to an NBA game - you get a whole different perspective when you're there in person and I would be agreeing with the flock if I had been there instead of watching it on TV? So, the two people that are always giving Ms. Knecht signals would agree with you?Youareajoke, I can't tell....were you asking a question or making a statement?
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dadof3 wrote: This is addictive. I've got yard work to do before I get a letter from HOA about the weeds. But I had to jump in and laugh when I saw the hand signals theory  back. Do people actually believe that Mrs. Knecht or anyone else scans the audience looking for hand signals before voting? Oh I get it, maybe "they" have meetings and make up all kinds of signals like baseball managers and coaches? Wipe the left side of your nose means close the campuses, wipe the right side means leave them open, up the middle means open with parental permission? Scratch your armpit twice, thump your knee and hit your elbow must mean vote against the superintendent's contract or was that bulldoze Old Main?  One more, then I really have to go, but this could be fun. If whoever these people are in the audience giving the signals pat their heads and rub their stomachs at the same time, what does that mean? Gotta check the playbook, so call for a bathroom break? :cool:
You are quite right it is hilarious...and sadly true. (I myself thought it was silly, till I decided to watch the audience to see if what I had read was true.)  I have witness them giving signals however, I can't tell if it was to Kathy Knecht or Diane Douglas. 
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This is addictive. I've got yard work to do before I get a letter from HOA about the weeds. But I had to jump in and laugh when I saw the hand signals theory  back. Do people actually believe that Mrs. Knecht or anyone else scans the audience looking for hand signals before voting? Oh I get it, maybe "they" have meetings and make up all kinds of signals like baseball managers and coaches? Wipe the left side of your nose means close the campuses, wipe the right side means leave them open, up the middle means open with parental permission? Scratch your armpit twice, thump your knee and hit your elbow must mean vote against the superintendent's contract or was that bulldoze Old Main?  One more, then I really have to go, but this could be fun. If whoever these people are in the audience giving the signals pat their heads and rub their stomachs at the same time, what does that mean? Gotta check the playbook, so call for a bathroom break? :cool:
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Only 100 more hours
and Kathy Knecht's term in office will be fully validated. If you’re unable to back up your words with enough valid signatures, or win the election, you pretty much give the person you’re aiming at the right to claim they have the community’s support. And, after winning two elections, they can more than make the case that they do
Okay, people we are getting close. FDR had his 100 days in the New Deal, we now have 100 hours in our Pound of Flesh Recall. A bit tingly, isn't it?

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Also, I would ask you to remember that she also disrespected the President at the time (Pat Galbraith) by speaking over her before she had the floor. Kathy Knecht knew very well that she wasn't allowed to address Cheyenne until every Public Comment speaker had come and gone. She let her emotions cloud her judgement at that time. Again, I challenge you to find for me one person who attended that meeting, and disagrees with what I've said in this post.

Is this kind of like going to an NBA game - you get a whole different perspective when you're there in person and I would be agreeing with the flock if I had been there instead of watching it on TV? So, the two people that are always giving Ms. Knecht signals would agree with you?

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Will the recall effort will fail?  I am so frustrated with people who get on here and they can't express themselves. This is supposed to be Oakwood's thesis statement, her topic statement, and she leaves this..... Anybody know what she's trying to say here?

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Is Oakwood a bit of a "black" sheep of the flock?
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Oakwood, you never answered the question, did Mrs. Knecht beat you for PTA president or something? Or did her child win the spelling bee over yours? Others may attack her actions, but you have an obvious personal issue. Have you thought about therapy for that? Or is involving your child in making bullying videos working for you? 
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RUKidding we really do have to thank you for giving us a new definition of zealot. 
Will the recall effort will fail? 
Who cares? 
That doesn’t change who or what Kathy is. 
It doesn’t change who or what you are. 
It will not change my opinion or anyone else who as seen Kathy perform live. 
It doesn’t keep me from wondering if you are Kathy or one of the two ladies who sit in front of her giving her signals.
Kathy will slide by this recall and the two of you will call it a victory.  I call it leaving a time bomb at the dais.  It is just a question of time before Kathy does this again.  TICK TOCK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ngfTAZoUKw TICK TOCK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b4Z9SCrquE TICK TOCK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vtw_BBb5Pg TICK TOCK
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: By the way, the flock all seem to like to use these proclamations such as, "everyone who read the email and saw Ms. Bernier knows that you are completely wrong". I noticed Adam Maras and my friend Integrity for whatever use the same broad statements. "Everyone thought so, everyone said that. everyone heard that". I think this is exactly the problem when one only congregates with people with exactly the same opinion as yours or you read the propaganda-filled blogs of Michael I can't remember his last name and the other guy. You all start to think one way because you tend to be sheep-like (is that a word teacher, if it isn't, it should be because it aptly describes your cult) in your thinking.  You are never around anyone or you don't tolerate anyone with a different opinion than yours, SO YOU ALL SPOUT EXACTLY THE SAME THING......
I challenge you to name one person who attended the Board meeting where Mrs. Knecht addressed the letter, and didn't feel that she was at least somewhat out of line by losing her temper. Also, I would ask you to remember that she also disrespected the President at the time (Pat Galbraith) by speaking over her before she had the floor. Kathy Knecht knew very well that she wasn't allowed to address Cheyenne until every Public Comment speaker had come and gone. She let her emotions cloud her judgement at that time. Again, I challenge you to find for me one person who attended that meeting, and disagrees with what I've said in this post.
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Youareajoke, I did take time to look around the room when Kathy Knecht went into her tirade.  The look on the majority of the faces in the room was that of shock and disgust.  Since then I have sent a link to friends and family that showed the content of what Cheyenne said, and what Kathy Knecht said, without benefit of a preface.  Every reaction from them was shock and disgust toward Kathy Knecht.  I guess I was wrong for saying "everyone," I should say anyone with at least half a brain was disgusted and shocked at how Kathy Knecht lost her temper and overreacted.

It bears repeating Cheyenne did not call that principal a bully to his face.  However, even if Cheyenne did call Mr. Nunez a bully, how would that be cause for a suspension?  How would it be cause to suspend because Cheyenne mentioned that she felt that having a closed campus could foster a negative type atmosphere like the one in Columbine?  None of those items are cause for suspension.  Just saying that other students could and/or probably have been suspended for less doesn't make it okay to suspend Cheyenne for what took place in the emails.  There are always going to be incidents where students are or are not suspended for infractions or supposed infractions.  Besides the focus should not be on Cheyenne who is still a child, the focus should be on a public official who should have been mature enough to handle whatever a 9th grade student dishes out, without losing her temper!

 

Oh and YOUAREAJOKE...tolerate?????????  You actually used that word in conjunction with others and not yourself????!!!  PLEASE!  You don't even really care about any of this..you just don't have a life, so you do this to see if you can irritate people. I highly suspect you have tried this with people face to face, but you got smacked so many times that now you hide behind blogs and forums.  You're here just to argue because you enjoy arguing and niggling people.  By the way, truth is consistent...

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and Kathy Knecht's term in office will be fully validated. If you’re unable to back up your words with enough valid signatures, or win the election, you pretty much give the person you’re aiming at the right to claim they have the community’s support. And, after winning two elections, they can more than make the case that they do

My, my, it appears our spelling-challenged teacher has been a bit busy tonight. It seems we may have struck a nerve with our teacher friend. I believe she attended (AND MAY HAVE RECEIVED HER DEGREE FROM)the Joe Bernier School of Not Answering a Direct Question...

I'm very proud of her. Not one misspelled word and she even used words like insipid and parse!!! Oh wait, recount. I need to school my teacher friend on your and you're. You're is actually a contraction for you are, so in this sentence you actually did not use the proper form. Do you see that? Please don't be afraid to ask questions if I can help you. This was also your summation paragraph and you have some poorly written sentences in the most important paragraph of your essay. The reader tends to ask what the hell was your point here. But, compared to your last essay, a vast improvement and you are to be congratulated.

It was a nice attempt to at spin.  You really should let it rest tenretni, because you're attempts to spin this is favor of Ms. Knecht are a failure.  Anyone who doubts that it was Ms. Knecth who was in the wrong needs only to watch the podcast.


By the way, the flock all seem to like to use these proclamations such as, "everyone who read the email and saw Ms. Bernier knows that you are completely wrong". I noticed Adam Maras and my friend Integrity for whatever use the same broad statements. "Everyone thought so, everyone said that. everyone heard that". I think this is exactly the problem when one only congregates with people with exa