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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 10:58 pm |
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Adam Maras wrote:
Yes, the Nobel lease issue is tragic, but what would you have done in the place of the school board during the talks regarding that contract? Something had to done; at least the board took some form of action instead of sitting on their hands. Answer this for me: do you honestly think the board back then could have predicted that there would be a massive liability in this lease revolving around the word "on" written into a legal contact? I've seen the disputed text, and I think the entire basis of the claim is ridiculous. I honestly think the school district should have gone to court to contest the lawsuit, because I believe (and I am not a legal expert, this is simply my common sense kicking in) that the school district would have had no trouble showing the intent of the wording and the situation at the time to a jury, who would probably also realize that the claim of the lawsuit is ridiculous.
Frankly, Adam, I am so tired of you. I remember posting you many days ago and you indicated you were going to be independent thinker and now look at you. You are a Michael , Frank, Crespino, Galbraith, Raeder clone. You spout off things that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You're right, you are not a legal expert, you are barely out of high school, so why don't you leave things like that to the legal experts? That's why these legal experts get paid the big bucks, because they are supposed to know how to word contracts so things like this don't happen. They are supposed to give advice about contracts, etc. that follow the law. What would I have done in place of what the school board did? I would have hired an attorney who knew how to word the contract correctly so we're not paying the $1.25 million. And if the attorney I hired caused us to lose $1.25 million, I would have fired him, just like the current board did and your group is having so much trouble with.
You say this Nobel lease is tragic, but what may be even more tragic is how little discussion there is about this on Frank's and Michael's blogs and the attempts to engage in discourse on this forum. And Michael told a big lie that absolutely no one questioned....including you. And you and I know why....because there is no excuse for what has happened....and you all know it.
It's time to do a little math here:
1.25 million divided by a teacher's yearly salary we'll say with benefits 50,000 comes out to 25 teachers!!!
Let's do another 1.25 million divided by say $50 per book comes out to, I believe, 25,000 books....
You should be aware of all of this so you won’t be surprised when one of the programs you child participates in suddenly disappears for lack of money.
And you’ll also know who to blame.
Just a hunch, but sometimes when one side is clearly right, a true independent thinker has to take a side because there's just no honest way to have a moderate position without being a phony panderer.
Even true objective balance has a skew when the validity of one side of the beam is clearly lopsided. A balanced view on an issue sometimes cannot be had when the base argument is skewed unbalanced drivel. Do you expect Adam to be a political alchemist, turn one side's lead argument and turn it into gold in the center?
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Perhaps it would be a very good thing if you and Michael Erickson take a good look at yourselves and ask what function and purpose your very one-sided blogs serve.........And the fact you have no room for dissent at all and that is so unhealthy....
I would suggest they only serve to divide the community......
And I have a group? That is truly laughable. Most people on this forum think I'm an idiot (they might be right).........
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I am sure you will do your best to continue your mission to kill PUSD.
You and your group have done a nice job. It shows that a group of people do have the power to force change in this country. You will be able to stand back and admire your handy work. Housing values have dropped because of greedy and self-serving people. When the economy recovers and it will, PUSD home values will recover too. But they will never fully recover because your group will have completely destroyed the school district that drove so many people into the area.
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And, while we're at this, what is the chance of the next bond override passing? I would hazard to say slim and none. It barely passed last time and that was during good economic times and PUSD didn't have reputation it is gaining of being a bunch of incompetents....And may I suggest that Mrs. Crespino have nothing to do with the bond override this time
You should be aware of all of this so you won’t be surprised when one of the programs you child participates in suddenly disappears for lack of money.
And you’ll also know who to blame.
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Adam Maras wrote:
Yes, the Nobel lease issue is tragic, but what would you have done in the place of the school board during the talks regarding that contract? Something had to done; at least the board took some form of action instead of sitting on their hands. Answer this for me: do you honestly think the board back then could have predicted that there would be a massive liability in this lease revolving around the word "on" written into a legal contact? I've seen the disputed text, and I think the entire basis of the claim is ridiculous. I honestly think the school district should have gone to court to contest the lawsuit, because I believe (and I am not a legal expert, this is simply my common sense kicking in) that the school district would have had no trouble showing the intent of the wording and the situation at the time to a jury, who would probably also realize that the claim of the lawsuit is ridiculous.
Frankly, Adam, I am so tired of you. I remember posting you many days ago and you indicated you were going to be independent thinker and now look at you. You are a Michael , Frank, Crespino, Galbraith, Raeder clone. You spout off things that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You're right, you are not a legal expert, you are barely out of high school, so why don't you leave things like that to the legal experts? That's why these legal experts get paid the big bucks, because they are supposed to know how to word contracts so things like this don't happen. They are supposed to give advice about contracts, etc. that follow the law. What would I have done in place of what the school board did? I would have hired an attorney who knew how to word the contract correctly so we're not paying the $1.25 million. And if the attorney I hired caused us to lose $1.25 million, I would have fired him, just like the current board did and your group is having so much trouble with.
You say this Nobel lease is tragic, but what may be even more tragic is how little discussion there is about this on Frank's and Michael's blogs and the attempts to engage in discourse on this forum. And Michael told a big lie that absolutely no one questioned....including you. And you and I know why....because there is no excuse for what has happened....and you all know it.
It's time to do a little math here:
1.25 million divided by a teacher's yearly salary we'll say with benefits 50,000 comes out to 25 teachers!!!
Let's do another 1.25 million divided by say $50 per book comes out to, I believe, 25,000 books....
You should be aware of all of this so you won’t be surprised when one of the programs you child participates in suddenly disappears for lack of money.
And you’ll also know who to blame.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: It's time for some new blood in this district and people like Raeder, Galbraith, Erb to fade away as the new board will try and clean up their missteps.......
You want new blood? You have a funny way of showing it, defending Douglas, Murphy, and Knecht at every turn. You just don't seem to get it- just because three of the five board members have ignored or spun the real issues plaguing the school district for so long that nobody wants to talk about them anymore doesn't mean the issues are no longer there. There are still parents angry about closed campuses; there are still community members worried about what's going to happen to Old Main; there are still district employees that are worried about the board playing god with their insurance benefits. I am so sad to say that this school district, the one where I spent ten years as a student and nine months as an employee, is going downhill fast. And who do we have to blame for this? Not the student and the teachers, they just have to watch all this come crashing down on them... not the school or district administrators, they're doing the best they can... not the parents or the community, nobody's listening to them... who does that leave? It leaves our (somewhat) elected officials. (I say somewhat because we really don't have any choice in the matter as far as two seats of this election go.)
You want Mary Crespino to stop her "quest for vengeance," as you put it? Tell Diane Douglas and Rick Murphy to give Jack Erb his retirement pay back. You think every small issue is getting blown out of proportion? You're absolutely right. But that's the only way anything will happen to the small issues.
Yes, the Nobel lease issue is tragic, but what would you have done in the place of the school board during the talks regarding that contract? Something had to done; at least the board took some form of action instead of sitting on their hands. Answer this for me: do you honestly think the board back then could have predicted that there would be a massive liability in this lease revolving around the word "on" written into a legal contact? I've seen the disputed text, and I think the entire basis of the claim is ridiculous. I honestly think the school district should have gone to court to contest the lawsuit, because I believe (and I am not a legal expert, this is simply my common sense kicking in) that the school district would have had no trouble showing the intent of the wording and the situation at the time to a jury, who would probably also realize that the claim of the lawsuit is ridiculous.
Why don't we all stop throwing blame around; it's a two-way street. If we (the community, the teachers, the student, everybody) had put a tenth of the effort we have been expending fighting each other toward actually working together to improve the quality of public education, this school district would be the best in the country.
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Actually, Frankie, it's not time to move on.....
It's time for your very venomous group of folks to admit you are wrong and to tone down the rhetoric and out and out misstatements. It's time for Michael Erickson to admit he really got this Nobel lease situation wrong and that this indeed is something that is going to cost the distrct dearly out of M & O. It's time for him to apologize for posting such blatant misstatements . It's time for you to take a stand and disagree with Erickson for once in your lifetime and put on your blog what really happened with this lease and who is responsible for this and what this is going to cost for this incompetence. It's time to prove you two are not just propaganda machines and will look at both sides of issues. It's time for supposably educated (I sense mostly teachers and administators read your blogs, which is very disconcerting) and open minded individuals to quit agreeing with everything you two say like they are lapdogs and openly question the crap you two sometimes disseminate. It's time for people like Mrs. Crespino to stop her silly quest for vengeance with her email fishing expedition. It's time to quit trying desperately to take every small issue and blowing them up to contentious issues - the Adam Maras affair and the closed campus issue are perfect examples. It's time to quit trying to deflect blame for another misstep with the Challenger fiasco and rightly put it at the feet who were in charge at the time - namely Erb, Raeder, and Galbraith. It's time for you all to quit calling me Paula as I am not Paula. It makes it so much easier if you can explain away what I say by saying I have some reason in my past to retaliate against this venomous group of people. I don't.....
It's time for some new blood in this district and people like Raeder, Galbraith, Erb to fade away as the new board will try and clean up their missteps.......
It's time to do a little math here:
1.25 million divided by a teacher's yearly salary we'll say with benefits 50,000 comes out to 25 teachers!!!
Let's do another 1.25 million divided by say $50 per book comes out to, I believe, 25,000 books....
You should be aware of all of this so you won’t be surprised when one of the programs you child participates in suddenly disappears for lack of money.
And you’ll also know who to blame.
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Paula, the same thing could be said about the money they gave to the Challenger Center. Some of that money went to your pockets and Sanctimommies.
It is time for you to move on. You and your group won. Now you have to walk through the rubble you have helped create.
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Let's see doing a little math here:
1.25 million divided by a teacher's yearly salary we'll say with benefits 50,000 comes out to 25 teachers!!!
Let's do another 1.25 million divided by say $50 per book comes out to, I believe, 25,000 books....
You should be aware of all of this so you won’t be surprised when one of the programs you child participates in suddenly disappears for lack of money.
And you’ll also know who to blame.
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Peoria Dad wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: Adam has broken numerous whining statutes; therefore, he is a lawbreaker, giving up the right to question anyone, and giving me every right to pile on as he continues to blame other people for his mistake.
Wow Paula. Now you're into proving you're a jerk.
Jerk = yes
Paula = no
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 11:37 pm |
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| Really.....the same question to you, why is the board budgeting fot this??
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| Really.....the same question to you, why is the board budgeting fot this??
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Hey, Peoria Dad, you've been awfully quiet through this Nobel lease thing with Michael Erickson. What is your view of this? I think you are one of the ones that prays to St. Michael at night. Do you have a problem with him getting this Nobel lease so wrong and the fact he won't admit it's wrong? Doesn't this damage his credibility a whole lot? Or, are you holding to the story that no, the insurance carrier is paying the 1.25 million and it is not coming out of Maintenance and Operations? Do you feel the people who read his blog should maybe question what he says a little bit instead of taking it as a gospel, like I think you do?
$1.25 million.......wow, a lot of teachers, books, etc......I sense there are a lot of teachers on these blogs, why aren't they up in arms over this....do they know that Erickson was wrong????
Because you haven't proven that he's wrong.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Adam has broken numerous whining statutes; therefore, he is a lawbreaker, giving up the right to question anyone, and giving me every right to pile on as he continues to blame other people for his mistake.
Wow Paula. Now you're into proving you're a jerk.Last edited on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 10:38 pm by Peoria Dad
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Let's see doing a little math here:
1.25 million divided by a teacher's yearly salary we'll say with benefits 50,000 comes out to 25 teachers!!!
Let's do another 1.25 million divided by say $50 per book comes out to, I believe, 25,000 books....
You should be aware of all of this so you won’t be surprised when one of the programs you child participates in suddenly disappears for lack of money.
And you’ll also know who to blame.
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Adam Maras wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: Adam has broken numerous whining statutes; therefore, he is a lawbreaker, giving up the right to question anyone, and giving me every right to pile on as he continues to blame other people for his mistake.
Oh, the money I would give to have the chance to give you an earful in person...
Would you give $1.25 million?
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| I guess I'm done and gone....
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Why doesn't anyone care to address this Nobel issue? Maybe because there is absolutely no defending it and the people defending Erb/Galbraith/Raeder/Erickson know it????
I have been inviting discourse for months.....the invitation still stands....
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Hey, Adam, you've been awfully quiet through this Nobel lease thing with Michael Erickson. What is your view of this? I think you are one of the ones that prays to St. Michael at night. Do you have a problem with him getting this Nobel lease so wrong and the fact he won't admit it's wrong? Doesn't this damage his credibility a whole lot? Or, are you holding to the story that no, the insurance carrier is paying the 1.25 million and it is not coming out of Maintenance and Operations? Do you feel the people who read his blog should maybe question what he says a little bit instead of taking it as a gospel, like I think you do?
$1.25 million.......wow, a lot of teachers, books, etc......I sense there are a lot of teachers on these blogs, why aren't they up in arms over this....do they know that Erickson was wrong????
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Adam has broken numerous whining statutes; therefore, he is a lawbreaker, giving up the right to question anyone, and giving me every right to pile on as he continues to blame other people for his mistake.
Oh, the money I would give to have the chance to give you an earful in person...
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Peoria Dad,
To pick up on this Erickson theme, do you have any problem with the fact I was questioning his facts, so he decided to change the post and then act like it was always like that?
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Hey, Peoria Dad, you've been awfully quiet through this Nobel lease thing with Michael Erickson. What is your view of this? I think you are one of the ones that prays to St. Michael at night. Do you have a problem with him getting this Nobel lease so wrong and the fact he won't admit it's wrong? Doesn't this damage his credibility a whole lot? Or, are you holding to the story that no, the insurance carrier is paying the 1.25 million and it is not coming out of Maintenance and Operations? Do you feel the people who read his blog should maybe question what he says a little bit instead of taking it as a gospel, like I think you do?
$1.25 million.......wow, a lot of teachers, books, etc......I sense there are a lot of teachers on these blogs, why aren't they up in arms over this....do they know that Erickson was wrong????
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| Adam has broken numerous whining statutes; therefore, he is a lawbreaker, giving up the right to question anyone, and giving me every right to pile on as he continues to blame other people for his mistake.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: OK, here we go.... the Exiled Puppet of Peoria criticizing the ruling party for his overthrow.....
So what you, gadfly and the other jerk posting here are saying is that, as a citizen, Adam is not allowed or entitled to question a candidate for public office just as any other citizen is?
Interesting theory, but it doesn't hold water in a democratic republic.
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| I still seem to be under the vigilant eye of the forum police.....
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Mrs. Raeder's temper tantrum at the most recent board meeting just seals the deal that she must move on.
I applaud Mrs. Raeder for what she said during that board meeting. Thank the stars somebody in an authority position gave Murphy an earful; I promise, I would have done the same had I attended that meeting.
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Adam - you continue to whine about being ousted in the PUSD governing board election;
I do?
however, you brought this on yourself (and you may want to scold your campaign volunteers for not validating petition signator's addresses/voting eligibility/etc).
I've admitted that more than once. I take full responsibility for what happened as far as signature collection and validation goes.
Not only do you have campaign finance issues to deal with, my understanding (vis a vis Maricopa County Superior Court web search) you also have to pay sanctions for Douglas' out-of-pocket expenses for the petition signature challenge.
Had campaign finance issues. I've since terminated my campaign committee. And yes, I have paid Douglas' legal fees.
Yep--- if I were in your shoes, I'd be plenty mad, but I'd try to direct that anger in the direction it belongs.
Trust me, I'm significantly more disappointed than angry. It may not seem like that right now (given the tone of my recent posts), but I swear it.
As for your neverending battle about closed campuses - it's a moot point
Given the inevitable outcome of the election, you indeed have a point.
and you should be grateful the campuses are closed. We do not want to lose another student during a lunchtime tragedy nor can the school district afford a wrongful death lawsuit.
Like hell. As I recall, we had more injuries because of fights breaking out on campus than we had of lunchtime vehicular accidents while the campuses were in their restricted state.
It's a win/win for all concerned to keep the campuses closed
If by all you mean... the administration? Don't forget about the students who now have to deal with the overcrowded lunch facilities (and you may take my word on the fact that the facilities were overcrowded; regardless of anything else, I was in the middle of that for a year. It was ridiculous). Also, parents now have less access to their students as far as signing them out from class is concerned. And as I recall, that sort of thing generally is the right of the parent.
and you're fighting a losing battle to even think those campuses will be open any time soon.
Perhaps. But I believe any battle to uphold reason is a battle worth fighting.
The district finally did the right thing by ensuring SAFETY rather than giving in to whining brats who want "tacos for lunch." Give it up.... there are more than enough other battles to fight about but lunch just isn't that important.
You're right; there are many more important things to worry about. But does that mean we should all stand around while the board is nickel-and-diming us on things like that? It may not be important, but it is still an issue.
As for Dr. Erb's "little" retirement package, I urge you to also take the wool off your eyes and dust your glasses, Adam, because
(oh, this ought to be good)
this was no "little" package (and not one - as you claim - that is offered to ALL retireees.... no sireeeee....
I've heard otherwise from a source I rather trust. Would you care to cite where you got this information?
this was a little "bonus" that the previous board put together for Dr. Erb during CLOSED DOOR meetings and completely, unequivocally ILLEGAL --- even our left wing Arizona Republic editors agree what the previous Board did was wrong and even took it one step further and applauded three out of five current governing board members for putting a STOP to this illegal "bonus" for Dr. Erb. Regardless of whether or not Dr. Erb "deserves" the bonus, it must be voted upon during an OPEN MEETING and - as we now know - the former board failed to observe that simple little rule (hmmmmm--- wonder how many OTHER rules the former board also failed to follow?)
Perhaps the correct steps were not taken to deal with this retirement package; I don't know one way or the other. That being said, two of the three reports written up by lawyers on this issue said that his contract was entirely legal and was dealt with properly.
Mrs. Raeder's temper tantrum at the most recent board meeting just seals the deal that she must move on.
I applaud Mrs. Raeder for what she said during that board meeting. Thank the stars somebody in an authority position gave Murphy an earful; I promise, I would have done the same had I attended that meeting.
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Actually, Raeder made Murphy look like the fool he is.
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I watched the school board meeting again today. Rick Murphy was relentless and just wouldn't let Debbie get away with anything , did he? Debbie reminded me a bit of the lady who asked the question at the McCain rally if Obama was an Arab. She had that same faraway look.....
You know, I would suggest that Patty and Debbie just not show up for the rest of the board meetings. They only whine while they are there, their vote really is insignificant, and the meetings are so much shorter in time when they don't show....
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Adam - you continue to whine about being ousted in the PUSD governing board election; however, you brought this on yourself (and you may want to scold your campaign volunteers for not validating petition signator's addresses/voting eligibility/etc). Not only do you have campaign finance issues to deal with, my understanding (vis a vis Maricopa County Superior Court web search) you also have to pay sanctions for Douglas' out-of-pocket expenses for the petition signature challenge. Yep--- if I were in your shoes, I'd be plenty mad, but I'd try to direct that anger in the direction it belongs. Who collected signatures for you? Obviously someone who did not understand the rules of the game?
As for your neverending battle about closed campuses - it's a moot point and you should be grateful the campuses are closed. We do not want to lose another student during a lunchtime tragedy nor can the school district afford a wrongful death lawsuit. It's a win/win for all concerned to keep the campuses closed, and you're fighting a losing battle to even think those campuses will be open any time soon. The district finally did the right thing by ensuring SAFETY rather than giving in to whining brats who want "tacos for lunch." Give it up.... there are more than enough other battles to fight about but lunch just isn't that important.
As for Dr. Erb's "little" retirement package, I urge you to also take the wool off your eyes and dust your glasses, Adam, because this was no "little" package (and not one - as you claim - that is offered to ALL retireees.... no sireeeee.... this was a little "bonus" that the previous board put together for Dr. Erb during CLOSED DOOR meetings and completely, unequivocally ILLEGAL --- even our left wing Arizona Republic editors agree what the previous Board did was wrong and even took it one step further and applauded three out of five current governing board members for putting a STOP to this illegal "bonus" for Dr. Erb. Regardless of whether or not Dr. Erb "deserves" the bonus, it must be voted upon during an OPEN MEETING and - as we now know - the former board failed to observe that simple little rule (hmmmmm--- wonder how many OTHER rules the former board also failed to follow?) Mrs. Raeder's temper tantrum at the most recent board meeting just seals the deal that she must move on.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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Adam Maras wrote: peoriaparent wrote: Adam Maras wrote <<Wait, what? I read every letter of the law regarding candidate petitions. What on earth are you talking about?>>
Ah, but did you read about how to report your campaign finances? I understand County Elections slapped you with a fine for failing to meet a reporting deadline.
For someone who thinks he knows it all, this must have been a blow.
I am completely aware of campaign finance laws, and I did indeed pay a late filing fine. It wasn't a matter of not knowing the law, it was a matter of not realizing a reporting date had passed. Consider it my little contribution to the county...
I hear the state is having a revenue shortfall - have you considered what you can do to help them out, too? Seriously, Adam, time to give up this posturing...
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 04:13 pm |
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areyounotkidding me wrote:
I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. Could you please speak up?
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 02:21 am |
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peoriaparent wrote: Adam Maras wrote <<Wait, what? I read every letter of the law regarding candidate petitions. What on earth are you talking about?>>
Ah, but did you read about how to report your campaign finances? I understand County Elections slapped you with a fine for failing to meet a reporting deadline.
For someone who thinks he knows it all, this must have been a blow.
I am completely aware of campaign finance laws, and I did indeed pay a late filing fine. It wasn't a matter of not knowing the law, it was a matter of not realizing a reporting date had passed. Consider it my little contribution to the county...
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 06:34 am |
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Adam Maras wrote <<Wait, what? I read every letter of the law regarding candidate petitions. What on earth are you talking about?>>
Ah, but did you read about how to report your campaign finances? I understand County Elections slapped you with a fine for failing to meet a reporting deadline.
For someone who thinks he knows it all, this must have been a blow.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 04:25 am |
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Adam????????
Huh, that's what happened on Frank's blog when I started talking about this Nobel lease......
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 04:23 am |
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| Isn't this a very expensive screwup? And it appears this attorney was really quite incompetent? And don't you think Raeder and Galbraith kind of acted like Adam Maras when he heard the news his signatures weren't valid? We are going to shoot the messenger when you and they knew Douglas was right in both cases?
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 04:20 am |
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| Adam - Have a question for you. What is your opinion of the Nobel lease fiasco? Who do you think should walk the plank over this? And doesn't this validate what this new board has said about the old board all along??
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 04:13 am |
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| Okay I'm back. Rick Murphy was the man, wasn't he, he was really quite impressive.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 03:24 am |
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| Hold on will you ,Adam, I'm watching the school board meeting and it's almost to the part where Debbie holds her breath and acts like a spoiled brat....keep trying to convince you handled this with any sort of class and I'll be back...
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 03:14 am |
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Good heavens man, are you incapable of reading?
Adam Maras wrote: As such, I issued my statement (call it whining, see if I care) prior to reading the report prepared by the Elections Department. Once I had official word from the county that I didn't have the required signatures, I took that information at face value and dropped the issue.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 03:05 am |
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Adam Maras wrote: But I challenge you to find any post or any other material that you consider "whining" about the outcome of that process authored by myself. On the afternoon of Saturday, August 16, 2008, I got a very disturbing phone call. The call was from Peoria Unified School District Governing Board President Diane Douglas, the sole incumbent candidate in this year’s school board election; the topic of her call was my withdrawal from said election. Mrs. Douglas was very direct in her call; she informed me that she had inspected the 475 petition signatures collected by myself and on my behalf and determined that there were only about 290 valid signatures among them. This, of course, came as a bit of a surprise to me, given that I, along with the help of two of my most supportive friends, personally checked each collected signature to make sure its address was within either the city of Peoria or Glendale. We did this knowing that some of the addresses may belong to residents in, for example, Glendale, but not within the Peoria Unified School District. We also made sure the addresses had been written out completely and had the correct dates with them. I also personally made sure the petition circulators correctly signed and completed the back of the petition forms, so I was confident of their validity in that respect. I was also unaware that Mrs. Douglas had the means to check the validity of my signatures. Regardless of our painstaking background work, it would seem that, as far as Mrs. Douglas is concerned, I did not have the required signatures to file for candidacy. With that, she informed me that I had until end-of-business on Monday, August 18, 2008, to withdraw my candidacy in the election, or she would file a lawsuit, which would be required to involve the Maricopa County Superior Court in the matter, such that they would officially check the validity of my signatures and make a final ruling regarding my candidacy.
It should not come as a surprise to anybody that I will not allow Diane Douglas’s scare tactics to hinder my candidacy for the school board. I am confident of two things: I have the required amount of valid signatures, and Mrs. Douglas is not qualified to determine the validity of my signatures or my candidacy. However, Mrs. Douglas underestimated my knowledge of the politics in this matter, and insulted me in that she, for whatever reason, does not believe that I am a qualified candidate for the school board. That is why I am issuing my response both directly to her, and to the public, by way of the blogs and forums, and any media outlet that is willing to inform the public of the intentions of the current school board President.
This, Diane Douglas, is my response to you:
Let the lawsuit come. I am not afraid of your scare tactics, and I am fully confident that the claims you have made regarding my signatures and my candidacy are false. There is only one entity that will tell me whether I have the required signatures to run for the Peoria Unified School District Governing Board, and that is the Maricopa County Superior Court. I am sorry that you do not want me to be on the school board with you; I am sorry that you do not want me to be a political thorn in your side. However, I am most sorry that you are willing to resort to this level of politics to try to replace me, because you know that I will stand up for the community members, the parents, the educators, and most importantly, the students you have been elected to serve. There are only three candidates for the three available seats on the school board; you know as well as I do that somebody would be appointed by the County Superintendent of Schools to take my place, should I no longer be a candidate. This means that my withdrawal would only be a victory for the twisted politics that have taken over the school board at this point, and that is unacceptable. On a regular basis, you prove to the residents of the Peoria Unified School District that you are more interested in your politics and your friends, than you are the students and the teachers. Diane Douglas, there is not enough room on the school board for both your politics and my love for education and this school district.
On the afternoon of Saturday, August 16, 2008, I got a very disturbing phone call. The call was from Peoria Unified School District Governing Board President Diane Douglas, the sole incumbent candidate in this year’s school board election; the topic of her call was my withdrawal from said election. Mrs. Douglas was very direct in her call; she informed me that she had inspected the 475 petition signatures collected by myself and on my behalf and determined that there were only about 290 valid signatures among them. This, of course, came as a bit of a surprise to me, given that I, along with the help of two of my most supportive friends, personally checked each collected signature to make sure its address was within either the city of Peoria or Glendale. We did this knowing that some of the addresses may belong to residents in, for example, Glendale, but not within the Peoria Unified School District. We also made sure the addresses had been written out completely and had the correct dates with them. I also personally made sure the petition circulators correctly signed and completed the back of the petition forms, so I was confident of their validity in that respect. I was also unaware that Mrs. Douglas had the means to check the validity of my signatures. Regardless of our painstaking background work, it would seem that, as far as Mrs. Douglas is concerned, I did not have the required signatures to file for candidacy. With that, she informed me that I had until end-of-business on Monday, August 18, 2008, to withdraw my candidacy in the election, or she would file a lawsuit, which would be required to involve the Maricopa County Superior Court in the matter, such that they would officially check the validity of my signatures and make a final ruling regarding my candidacy.
It should not come as a surprise to anybody that I will not allow Diane Douglas’s scare tactics to hinder my candidacy for the school board. I am confident of two things: I have the required amount of valid signatures, and Mrs. Douglas is not qualified to determine the validity of my signatures or my candidacy. However, Mrs. Douglas underestimated my knowledge of the politics in this matter, and insulted me in that she, for whatever reason, does not believe that I am a qualified candidate for the school board. That is why I am issuing my response both directly to her, and to the public, by way of the blogs and forums, and any media outlet that is willing to inform the public of the intentions of the current school board President.
This, Diane Douglas, is my response to you:
Let the lawsuit come. I am not afraid of your scare tactics, and I am fully confident that the claims you have made regarding my signatures and my candidacy are false. There is only one entity that will tell me whether I have the required signatures to run for the Peoria Unified School District Governing Board, and that is the Maricopa County Superior Court. I am sorry that you do not want me to be on the school board with you; I am sorry that you do not want me to be a political thorn in your side. However, I am most sorry that you are willing to resort to this level of politics to try to replace me, because you know that I will stand up for the community members, the parents, the educators, and most importantly, the students you have been elected to serve. There are only three candidates for the three available seats on the school board; you know as well as I do that somebody would be appointed by the County Superintendent of Schools to take my place, should I no longer be a candidate. This means that my withdrawal would only be a victory for the twisted politics that have taken over the school board at this point, and that is unacceptable. On a regular basis, you prove to the residents of the Peoria Unified School District that you are more interested in your politics and your friends, than you are the students and the teachers. Diane Douglas, there is not enough room on the school board for both your politics and my love for education and this school district.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 02:36 am |
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gadfly wrote: Really, Adam, you didn't whine and you could have filed an appeal/countersuit. The no whining comment is completely hilarious, but you may have something with this countersuit comment. Let's see, what would have been the basis of your appeal??? Let's think about this.....
One good thing that's come of my lack of candidacy is that I no longer have to be politically correct or tactful when dealing with people like you.
You are a moron. Let me tell you why. I believed (and continue to believe) that Douglas' intent was more than just "wanting to uphold the political process" or whatever that quote of hers was. As such, I issued my statement (call it whining, see if I care) prior to reading the report prepared by the Elections Department. Once I had official word from the county that I didn't have the required signatures, I took that information at face value and dropped the issue. Yes, I still had to go to court and hear it officially. Yes, I'm still talking about it now (but you started it). But I challenge you to find any post or any other material that you consider "whining" about the outcome of that process authored by myself.
How about that meany Diane Douglas was picking on me, Judge, and I feel as an eighteen year old kid I should be given a break from the law as it is clearly written.
When did I ever claim my age had anything to do with the outcome of my signature collection? Oh, that's right... I didn't.
Even though I would have been in charge of a very large district and the fact I didn't even read the law regarding gathering signatures
Wait, what? I read every letter of the law regarding candidate petitions. What on earth are you talking about?
and that can't make the voters very comfortable with voting me in as a board member
Well, they're obviously not going to vote me in now. And guess what-- I'm okay with that.
I always state I love PUSD
Well, you've got me on that one...
and that should be good enough....
...but where did you get this?
I don't know Adam, I think you should have done it.....
And speaking of hilarious comments, you've managed to hit one right on the head.
Next time you decide to insult me, clean off your glasses and blow some of the dust out of your long-term memory first. You might end up making less of a fool out of yourself.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 03:47 pm |
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Adam Maras wrote: In the dispute between Diane Douglas and myself, the third party (Maricopa County Elections Department) determined that I did not have the required signatures; as such, I dropped the issue. I could have whined, I could have filed an appeal, I could have filed a counter-suit, but I did none of the above. In the dispute between Douglas and Mary Crespino, the third party (the ombudsman) determined that Douglas inappropriately redacted information from the emails. Where these two situations diverge is that Douglas, instead of accepting the third-party decision and turning over the proper emails, continued to ignore Crespino's request.
Really, Adam, you didn't whine and you could have filed an appeal/countersuit. The no whining comment is completely hilarious, but you may have something with this countersuit comment. Let's see, what would have been the basis of your appeal??? Let's think about this.....
How about that meany Diane Douglas was picking on me, Judge, and I feel as an eighteen year old kid I should be given a break from the law as it is clearly written. Even though I would have been in charge of a very large district and the fact I didn't even read the law regarding gathering signatures and that can't make the voters very comfortable with voting me in as a board member, I always state I love PUSD and that should be good enough....
I don't know Adam, I think you should have done it.....
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Would you call the $1.25 million the district has to pay because the former board and the former attorney screwed up a "minor issue"?????? Have you looked at the stock market lately? It and our economy are dropping like a rock....You seem to not have a firm grasp of the realities of life, let me explain it to you. I know you live in Pollyannaland, but in real life our "economic situation and budget concerns" are not something you can use with the word regardless. You see our "economic situation and budget concerns" are going to be trump all other issues in this district for the next year or so.....why I bet it will become even more important than say....closed campuses....yes it's true!!!!!
The way I understand the situation, one man's retirement pay is but a drop in the bucket. Am I wrong? This issue isn't about the actions of our former superintendent, it's n | | |