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Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 02:52 am |
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From: Diane Douglas dmdouglas@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:42:25 AM
The situation with the Nobel Lease occurred due to a breach of contract and as such is not covered by the district’s liability insurance. The Board held a budget study session on Monday evening. The settlement amount was not included in the assumptions for 2009-10 budget. When I asked, the Board was told there might be a possibility of taking that payment out of a different fund although which fund was not discussed at that point. While there may be some question from which fund the payment will be made, it will be paid by the district. Hope this helps.
Please don’t hesitate to contact me with any questions or comment you may have in the future.
Sincerely,
Diane
Diane Douglas
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Peoria Unified School District
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“The responsibility for producing an educated citizenry
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Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 02:42 am |
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This is going to get interesting.....
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From: "DebRaeder@aol.com" [url=mailto ebRaeder@aol.com]DebRaeder@aol.com[/url]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:42:52 PM
Subject: Re: Nobel lease
Sorry. I am working on my laptop, and am out of town on business. The short answer is no, this will not be paid by insurance. But perhaps your real question should be whether we should be paying this amount at all. According to current board members, and certainly some of our legal counsel, the past board may not have legally ratified the contract (refer to what's going on with the Transition Center), thereby rendering any contract unenforceable. Do you wonder what our counsel has to say about advice they gave in a public meeting to enter into this agreement and payout given that information?
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 11:47 pm |
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I do not know about any of the other stuff you guys are talking about, but I can tell you a little about the insurance stuff, because that is what I do. Its called timed payouts, and they are great if you can get somebody to agree to them which is hardly ever. What happens is a lot of policies limit how much they pay out in any year. The timed payouts let you take the payments out over a couple of years for really big settlements instead of all at once. The idea is not to drain your insurance coverage in one shot just in case you need more down the road. It delays full payment for a long time and that is why hardly anyone agrees to do it. I hope no one flames me for posting this. The last time I tried to get in on a conversation some dude just made fun of me and I have been a little shy about making comments ever since.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 10:20 pm |
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You call people liars as though it were a fact... you claim that you provided proof about an issue when you have not... you blame others for calling you on the fact that you had no hard proof to back up the things you were saying, and then whine about it as though you had nothing to do with it... and then you act as if people are just being mean to you (that very same thing, by the way, which you accused Adam Maras of doing).
Give it a rest. We all know who and what you are. No one, and I mean no one, will miss you.
And, thank you, once again, for proving my earlier points.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 09:37 pm |
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I am through with this forum for a time.....
If I may have one final salvo in this, it amazed me how much people would just make up things to defend their point. Whether it was Apache Mom, or Michael Erickson, or Peoria Dad or others. Peoria Dad pointed out to me often and correctly I am over the top at times, there is no doubt about that, but I don't think I just blatantly ever made things up to make a point. If I had been wrong about all of this, I would not have continually denied the truth or made something else up to buttress my defense.
This is exactly why more people don't get involved in district politics. I questioned Erickson's comment that the insurance was going to pay for this Nobel lease. I was immediately called an idiot, a Douglas backer, etc. etc. How about it just didn't make sense to me? Why would the district be discussing having to budget for this for four years if the insurance was going to pay this? And, what was really distressing about this whole thing, not one person on the two blogs questioned it except for Joe McCord whose comment was buried in the comments section and nobody even commented on his comment, especially Erickson. We're talking $1.25 million here, this is a material amount to this district and its programs.
Apache Mom states that she called the head of the insurance of the district and he told her the insurance would pay for all of this.....we know that conversation never took place.....and Michael Erickson stating on his blog in such a self-assured manner that the insurance would pay for this, he had absolutely no clue if it would or not.......and finally Peoria Dad, who despite all that has been presented still maintains whatever he is still maintaining.....
I don't know, it's not a good situation and something I struggle with whether to be part of the solution or just go away and not get involved at all. Too many good, potential board members take the latter option, in my opinion, and we end up with two people on the ballot.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 08:18 pm |
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| Thanks for proving my point.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 05:57 pm |
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| Opinions are like @@@@@@@@, we all have one and that is yours, Peoria Dad.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 04:09 pm |
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gadfly wrote: Peoria Dad wrote: gadfly wrote:
.You've been doing that and much worse wayyyy before Erickson made that post. And who says I condoned it then or now?
You really need help.
I actually called somebody worse than a flaming @@@@@@@?
I don't remember that, to tell you the truth.....
Yes, and I admit to being guilty of this as well. Face it, none of us are clean. But, you are the worst. The accumulative result of the abuse you always heap on those who disagree with you is infinetly worse than anything the bloggers have done. As much as you decry their alledged divisivness, you would be no where without your own version of it. In fact, you thrive on it. You don't have the ability to walk away, or to disagree agreeably. You will pound away until you get the validity from others that you crave.
It is why you are weak. It is why you completely lack credibility.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 03:59 pm |
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gadfly wrote: Really, since we're analyzing each other, do you think you're obsessive at all when it comes to Michael Erickson.....it really is like you'll do and say anything to somehow explain away what he put on his blog was completely untrue?
Seriously....I mean what else can I do to show you he was wrong......it really is a bit strange.
Obsession? Hardly. I never said he was 100% right, or that I agreed with all of his tactics, just that his information, unlike yours, is accurate.
And you have yet to prove he was wrong.
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| My, my,my......
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 04:36 am |
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Peoria Dad wrote: gadfly wrote:
.You've been doing that and much worse wayyyy before Erickson made that post. And who says I condoned it then or now?
You really need help.
I actually called somebody worse than a flaming @@@@@@@?
I don't remember that, to tell you the truth.....
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 04:28 am |
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Really, since we're analyzing each other, do you think you're obsessive at all when it comes to Michael Erickson.....it really is like you'll do and say anything to somehow explain away what he put on his blog was completely untrue?
Seriously....I mean what else can I do to show you he was wrong......it really is a bit strange.
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gadfly wrote: Here's what I think Dad. I think your friend Michael turned up the heat fivefold with the flaming @@@@@@@ comment.
Somehow you find fault with me, but it's somehow okay Erickson to do this???
Sorry, that's BS
Nice try. You've been doing that and much worse wayyyy before Erickson made that post. And who says I condoned it then or now?
You really need help.
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gadfly wrote: And Peoria Dad, you epitomize the problem with the thinking of some in this district. No matter what kind of evidence, no matter what kind of contradiction is shown, you will still argue you are right. And that's difficult to reason with or even put up with....
You said that before. Being redudant is another of your intellectually small habits. It's also very Gobbellsesque.
But, since you insist on repeating your self, then I will repeat my original reply:
You make that argument without having provided a single shred of evidence.
And, please, stop reflecting your idiocy on me. The only reason you joined this board was to win an argument, any argument. And you have failed miserably. It is uninformed and unknowledgeable people like you who are the problem with this school district, and I look forward to your speaking at the board meeting so that you get the ridicule you deserve under your real name.
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gadfly wrote: No, I don't have this obsession for defending Murphy, Douglas, and Knecht. I'm sure they don't tell the truth a lot.
Yes, you do.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 11:21 pm |
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Here's what I think Dad. I think your friend Michael turned up the heat fivefold with the flaming @@@@@@@ comment.
Somehow you find fault with me, but it's somehow okay Erickson to do this???
Sorry, that's BS
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 11:02 pm |
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| And Peoria Dad, you epitomize the problem with the thinking of some in this district. No matter what kind of evidence, no matter what kind of contradiction is shown, you will still argue you are right. And that's difficult to reason with or even put up with....
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| No, I don't have this obsession for defending Murphy, Douglas, and Knecht. I'm sure they don't tell the truth a lot. Last edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 11:18 pm by gadfly
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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| Sounds like your defense of Douglas, Knecht and Murphy. A mile wide and as thin as a dime. Last edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:57 pm by Peoria Dad
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:53 pm |
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| Peoria Dad - So he's not perfect.......he doesn't always tell the truth........it's going to be okay..........it's not that big of a deal
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gadfly wrote:
You could speak the gospel here and no one will ever believe you because you have proven yourself to be a person of low self-esteem, low intelligence and low character.
Okay Dad thanks for the input. It's hard to argue with someone who insists the sky is not blue......
Perhaps instead of trying to be clever (yet another failure on your part), you could take some time for self-reflection. Or are you affraid you won't like what you see?
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gadfly wrote: Peoria Dad wrote: You make that argument without having provided a single shred of evidence.
It's very difficult to argue with someone who insists the sky is not blue.
At least you finally admit the sky is blue.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:40 pm |
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Peoria Dad wrote: You make that argument without having provided a single shred of evidence.
It's very difficult to argue with someone who insists the sky is not blue.
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You could speak the gospel here and no one will ever believe you because you have proven yourself to be a person of low self-esteem, low intelligence and low character.
Okay Dad thanks for the input. It's hard to argue with someone who insists the sky is not blue......Last edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:38 pm by gadfly
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gadfly wrote: Peoria Dad wrote: And just a reminder, you need to read and follow the admonition of your last paragraph in this post:
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=65148&forum_id=24&jump_to=342448#p342448
By the way, Dad, I was really quite proud of what I wrote here...
It's one thing to be proud of what you wrote, it is quite another to live up to it, and you have not.
In the past I have tried to be quite civil with you, only to be brow beaten in return. You have reflected your own shortcomings on others who dare to differ with you, whether it is me, the bloggers or anyone else. If you don't like the tilt or tone of the conversation, you have no one but yourself to blame. What you're dealing with is the blooming of the very seeds you planted.
You could speak the gospel here and no one will ever believe you because you have proven yourself to be a person of low self-esteem, low intelligence and low character.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:29 pm |
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You make that argument without having provided a single shred of evidence.
And, please, stop reflecting your idiocy on me. The only reason you joined this board was to win an argument, any argument. And you have failed miserably. It is uninformed and unknowledgeable people like you who are the problem with this school district, and I look forward to your speaking at the board meeting so that you get the ridicule you deserve under your real name.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 10:22 pm |
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Frank1234 wrote: gadfly wrote: Hey Frankie
Can I get you on the record? Insurance company paying this $1.25 million?
For me to go on the record, I would need to investigate the issue. I have not.
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Steve Highlen <SHighlen@peoriaud.k12.az.us>
To: Rocky Calavito <areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:43:16 PM
Subject: RE: Nobel lease
Most likely funds will come from M&O.
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From: Rocky Calavito [mailto:areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:50 AM
To: Steve Highlen
Subject: Re: Nobel lease
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From: Steve Highlen <SHighlen@peoriaud.k12.az.us>
To: Rocky Calavito <areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:47:42 AM
Subject: RE: Nobel lease
Thank you for the communication. The Nobel lease cost is not covered by insurance.
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:41 PM
Cc: Dana Orta ; Steve Highlen
Subject: Nobel lease
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Peoria Dad wrote: gadfly wrote: I really can't deal with idiots for a while.
Then how will you deal with yourself?
Can't wait to see your lame self at the governing board meeting.
And Peoria Dad, you epitomize the problem with the thinking of some in this district. No matter what kind of evidence, no matter what kind of contradiction is shown, you will still argue you are right. And that's difficult to reason with or even put up with....Last edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 08:08 pm by gadfly
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Peoria Dad wrote: And just a reminder, you need to read and follow the admonition of your last paragraph in this post:
http://www.newszapforums.com/view_topic.php?id=65148&forum_id=24&jump_to=342448#p342448
By the way, Dad, I was really quite proud of what I wrote here. I think this was the very day that Adam sent his whining letter to Frank and Michael and those two treated it like it was an atomic bomb that had been detonated.....
It was then it was kind of clear what we're dealing with here......and my words were pollyanish, to be sure.....I wish I could say Joe McCord could create some peace here, but I think there are too many people with blinders on, also to be sure....
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gadfly wrote: I really can't deal with idiots for a while.
Then how will you deal with yourself?
Can't wait to see your lame self at the governing board meeting.
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Wow!!!!!
I give up!!! I'm trying to sell what exactly??? That insurance is not paying for this and it's coming out of M & 0? I'm not even sure what you all are arguing about now. This exchange between Peoria Dad and PUSDteacher kind of sums it all up doesn't it? Do they or anybody actually believe what they say??They actually had a choice.......WOWWWWW!!!!!!And the exchange with Frank last night was beyond bizarre......
I'm out of here. I did my damage, will go home for now........
Hopefully, this is now out in the open.....I really can't deal with idiots for a while. I 've provided all the proof I'm going to......
By the way folks, don't be surprised if I start to get in involved more in the politics of this district. This whole experience has been just an eyeopener for me. You may just see me at a call to the public here soon......perhaps next meeting....don't worry, I'll introduce myself...and I won't be Paula.....
You've all been warned.....
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What I've been told is between what Gadfly has been trying to erroniously sell, and the rumor you're hearing.
Suffice it to say it is much more complicated than what this clown has been making it out to be.
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No, dad, don't do it. I think it's more fun to watch Gadfly make stuff up.
Actually, Gadfly may be right here. The rumor going around school is that it is coming out of M&O, but at the choice of the current school board. It appears they could have had it come out of the liability insurance, or pay it from M&O, and they chose M&O.
More grandstanding with the public's money.
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| Would you like to share what he said? So, insurance is actually paying for this? And I made up the part about the 2009-2010 budget? Last edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:00 pm by gadfly
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I already have, and have asked him more specific and detailed questions.
In the meantime, you're still wrong.
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| You're reaaaaaallly grasping now, Peoria Daddy. Be patient though. I have more returns expected in today. You are welcome to talk to Mr. Highland or email if you wish.
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| And, if you're going to use a fake name, at least spell it right. It's Colavito.
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You're an idiot. You asked who pays for the lease. Of course the district pays for the lease.
Now ask who pays for the settlement.
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Here you go my friends
Rocky
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gadfly wrote: You got it Frankie. If I'm
right, will you kiss my a## at the next board meeting?
Frankie - Will you call me grasshopper? I would be honored if you would call me grasshopper?
And are you warming up those lips for my big posterior? Peoria Dad, you can join in this if you wish....
Talked to Steve Highlen this morning. He indicates the Nobel lease is not covered by insurance. He will emailing this information to me and I will pass on to my doubting friends. This will become a budget item in the 2009-2010 year and it was settled this way to allow the district to budget for this.
Oh, but I have called more in DAC. I will be reporting back to you as the bad news pours in....
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And just a reminder, you need to read and follow the admonition of your last paragraph in this post:
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gadfly wrote: And just how do you have the balls to bring up the Challenger issue and blame this on anybody but the prior board? Debbie was actually a board member of both boards for a time and Patty came on the board soon after the Challenger all started. Where is the outrage for Debbie? What Douglas and the rest were trying to do was get out of it the best they could/ How were they responsible for anything?
This argument truly amazes me....
That's a nice try at re-writing history, but, as is your habit, you're wrong.
The prior board was the one to end the contract with Challenger. Galbraith had nothing to do with it, and Reader resigned from the Challenger board as soon as she saw what was happening.
The blame for this rests with three people: Paul Kohler, who managed the contract from the start; Sandy Hicks for being incompetent and driving the place into the ground; and Sheri Lammers who used her position on both boards to cook the books and hide what was going on. It was the prior board that discovered this and put a stop to it.
You really should do a little more research. As Erickson has pointed out so correctly, you sanctimommies aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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gadfly wrote: You and Michael Erickson are supposed to be spokesmen for these teachers and administrators and one of you gets it all wrong and you don't even have an opinion on it? Don't you think $1.25 million is something you should know about - especially since you are the man with the answers?
You have yet to offer solid and irrefutable proof that the information presented was wrong. You haven't even built a circumstancial case for your side.
And please, stop the Gobbelsesque repeating of your big lies. It's not working. But that's what really frustrating you, isn't it? It's tough being a sanctimommy. Everyone knows you have no credibility.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:49 am |
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| Come on Frankie don't leave now....you answered none of my questions
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:48 am |
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gadfly wrote: And just how do you have the balls to bring up the Challenger issue and blame this on anybody but the prior board? Debbie was actually a board member of both boards for a time and Patty came on the board soon after the Challenger all started. Where is the outrage for Debbie? What Douglas and the rest were trying to do was get out of it the best they could/ How were they responsible for anything?
This argument truly amazes me....
Frankie
Can you answer this? I really have been quite stunned by this argument
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:41 am |
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And here's yours Frankie:
What two letter word was so important in the wording of this lease? And what former administrator was very close to this attorney who wrote the contract...and also his golden parachute? And what blogmeister knew nothing about something that cost the district $1.25 million? Who invented the frisbee?
Sunrise, five years, didn't need it after three Here is my research here - did I pass?
And, are you still praying for those Springsteen tickets? Countin on ya Frankie
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:35 am |
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gadfly wrote: You got it Frankie. If I'm right, will you kiss my a## at the next board meeting?
Here is your first blog assignment.
Three simple questions:
Why did PUSD enter into the lease?
What were terms and conditions of the lease?
Why did PUSD need to get out of the lease?
Good luck.
Oh, and please try to find a higher level of decorum in your future correspondence.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:25 am |
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| You got it Frankie. If I'm right, will you kiss my a## at the next board meeting?
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:22 am |
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Gadfly, Tractor Pull Guy and your aliases
You have been called out to find the facts and publish them. If you are a man of principle and pride, you will accept the challenge and prove your case.
Now sir, I have challenged your intelligence, integrity and your honor. How will you respond?
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