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Actually, I do, and if you were to actually read Title IX, you'd know I'm right. But I forgive you because we all know being diligent isn't one of your strong points.
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DanaM wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: DanaM wrote:
Two other things: Title IX applies at all educational levels,
So, if this is right, if there are say 70 kids on a football team, they would have to have some "minor" girls sports to make up for this. Since girls don't play football, there would have to keep more girls playing other sports.....as the father of girls, this one is important to us. No, the institution just has to offer a comparable program, like girls volleyball. The numbers of participants doesn't have to match. And if you haven't been to a game, let me tell you, girls volley ball is HUGE.
Nada - You really know nothing about Title IX, do you?
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Frankly, his math is off. Suspending the credits won't amount to any NET add to the state education funds. The money goes to the schools, we get it back-- net ZERO. Its just a way of redistributing our tax money-- in a way WE get to decide on.
In any scenario where revenues go up, some tax will be affected and we will ultimately pay for it.
No, Erickson's math is not off at all. By suspending the credits (even though it ain't going to happen), it will allow the state to pay for teachers, books, etc. and not field trips, football fees, etc. And if you think that that is still your money after it leaves your paycheck, I say you are living in LALA land.
I am not getting your argument regarding the co-curricular classes either. Read this publication from the state regarding the tax credits. It states over and over again, it must be for extra curricular activites.
http://www.azdor.gov/brochure/707.pdf
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Peoria Dad wrote: No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you donate $400, that $400 comes off your tax bill and will not go to the general fund. If you decided not to donate, than the $400 would go right to the state to do what they wish with it instead of it going to the schools.
Excactly- so by not giving money to the school, they won't necessarily get that allocation from the state-- i.e. they'll spend it elsewhere.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Uncle Fire wrote: Look, its a zero sum game. Money goes from my pocket to a government entity (the school), the credit comes from another gov. entity, the general fund. I'd rather direct my tax dollars to the schools than some other hair-brained idea our gov. officials come up with.
You're not getting this. The only zero sum game is out of your pocket. Zero is coming out of your pocket by you getting a tax credit off your state income taxes. In fact, you are actually coming out ahead because you can also take a deduction on your federal taxes. You are simply directing the state where to pay the state's money, not your money. If they quit the credits, you are simply giving up the right to tell the state where to direct the state's money. The state will decide where to spend the $400, not you.
I fully get this. And let's get something straight. It's NOT the state's money. It is TAXPAYER money. And MY earnings often go to pay for stuff I don't want to pay for but am forced to pay anyway. I pay a crap-load of taxes and alot of those taxes go to pay for other districts, not just mine/ours.
If they kill the credits, I can assure you I won't be making contributions to the schools (or at least not as large of contributions). I'm sure the same applies to others.
btw- Private schools ought not be able to participate in the credit program.
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DanaM wrote: Uncle Fire, In regard to education tax credits, more money -- much more money -- goes to private schools than public schools. So instead of going to the general fund, the money goes to a private institutions. In other words, all of that money is lost. It is hardly a zero sum game. During tight budget times, I would prefer that money go to our public schools, and not finance private schools.
Two other things: Title IX applies at all educational levels, and the corporate tax credits for schools, although approved by our bend over for business legislature, has never been allowed. It remains the subject of a law suit that is currently making its way through the courts. Happily, it is making its way unsuccessfully.
Do you have any proof to substantiate that claim?
Nevermind- I found the numbers. Looks like around 54mm went to private schools (and STO's) vs. 46mm to public schools.
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Comparable program how though? What exact;ly does that mean? I would think that football has all the expensive equipment each participant requires, while a girls volleyball team does not. If not the numbers, is it the cost of the programs?? In colleges, women's sports are thriving mostly because of the men's football teams.
And, just so you know, I put "minor" sports in quotes for a reason. I do not actually believe that. I would rather go and watch a women's ASU basketball game over a NBA game any day of the week...and that same sentiment goes for high school sports also. The girls tend to be much more team oriented in their approach to playing whatever game they're playing.....
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areyounotkidding me wrote: DanaM wrote:
Two other things: Title IX applies at all educational levels,
So, if this is right, if there are say 70 kids on a football team, they would have to have some "minor" girls sports to make up for this. Since girls don't play football, there would have to keep more girls playing other sports.....as the father of girls, this one is important to us. No, the institution just has to offer a comparable program, like girls volleyball. The numbers of participants doesn't have to match. And if you haven't been to a game, let me tell you, girls volley ball is HUGE.
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Uncle Fire wrote: Look, its a zero sum game. Money goes from my pocket to a government entity (the school), the credit comes from another gov. entity, the general fund. I'd rather direct my tax dollars to the schools than some other hair-brained idea our gov. officials come up with.
You're not getting this. The only zero sum game is out of your pocket. Zero is coming out of your pocket by you getting a tax credit off your state income taxes. In fact, you are actually coming out ahead because you can also take a deduction on your federal taxes. You are simply directing the state where to pay the state's money, not your money. If they quit the credits, you are simply giving up the right to tell the state where to direct the state's money. The state will decide where to spend the $400, not you.
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DanaM wrote:
Two other things: Title IX applies at all educational levels,
So, if this is right, if there are say 70 kids on a football team, they would have to have some "minor" girls sports to make up for this. Since girls don't play football, there would have to keep more girls playing other sports.....as the father of girls, this one is important to us.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18th, 2009 11:21 pm |
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Uncle Fire, In regard to education tax credits, more money -- much more money -- goes to private schools than public schools. So instead of going to the general fund, the money goes to a private institutions. In other words, all of that money is lost. It is hardly a zero sum game. During tight budget times, I would prefer that money go to our public schools, and not finance private schools.
Two other things: Title IX applies at all educational levels, and the corporate tax credits for schools, although approved by our bend over for business legislature, has never been allowed. It remains the subject of a law suit that is currently making its way through the courts. Happily, it is making its way unsuccessfully.
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you donate $400, that $400 comes off your tax bill and will not go to the general fund. If you decided not to donate, than the $400 would go right to the state to do what they wish with it instead of it going to the schools.
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Does Title IX require identical athletics programs for males and females?
Title IX does not require identical athletics programs for males and females. Under Title IX, one team is not compared to the same team in each sport. OCR examines the total program afforded to male student-athletes and the total program afforded to female student-athletes and determines whether each program meets the standards of equal treatment. Title IX does not require that each team receive exactly the same services and supplies. Rather, Title IX requires that the men and women's program receive the similar/comparable level of service, facilities, supplies and etc. Variations within the men and women's program are allowed, as long as the variations are justified on a nondiscriminatory basis.
Are revenue-producing sports excluded from Title IX?
No.
Does Title IX apply to high school sports as well?
Yes. Title IX does apply to high school athletics. Although any proposed revisions would be designed for intercollegiate athletics, their general principles may apply, as appropriate, to club, intramural, and interscholastic athletic programs.
I answered my own question. So, parents of female athletes, stay tuned for this. If they are going to keep the football teams, it appears to me that they would have to provide some equal numbers for women. Anybody know anything more about this?
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So fine, eliminate extracurricular stuff- start with Football, basketball, soccer, etc. You want to see some outrage-- you'll get it when you start with those.
Is that the truth.....By the way, does anyone know if Title 9 applies to high schools also - not just colleges? If a school district keeps the football teams (which you know they will), does the district have to provide a like number of slots for female athletes? Just curious.....
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Uncle Fire wrote:So fine, eliminate extracurricular stuff- start with Football, basketball, soccer, etc. You want to see some outrage-- you'll get it when you start with those
You're dead on, and, frankly, I think that's were school districts should start.
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Peoria Dad wrote: Not quite, Uncle. You are matched dollar for dollar for the tax credit, and the money to pay for it comes directly from the general fund. If you chose not to take the tax credit, then that money stays in the general fund for the legislature to use as it sees fit. By not financing the school tax credit, that's $100 million that is not taken from the general fund. Also, only individuals can take advantage of the tax credit, businesses cannot. Besides, as much as I like extracurricular stuff, don't you think it's more important to provide what's needed in the classroom first?
Look, its a zero sum game. Money goes from my pocket to a government entity (the school), the credit comes from another gov. entity, the general fund. I'd rather direct my tax dollars to the schools than some other hair-brained idea our gov. officials come up with. I don't care which bucket it comes from, its still money the gov. has from taxes. Besides, school funding should not come from gen funds. Taxes collected under the guise of school funding should STAY with schools. I don't have a problem with businesses not being able to take the credit anyway. The intent is to allow PEOPLE to direct their taxes to what they want for services. And the huge incentive for schools is that people can contribute to the programs they want and it doesn't cost you more in the end.
Once again, band and theater are co-curricular. If you stop those, you stop the classes associated with them.
So fine, eliminate extracurricular stuff- start with Football, basketball, soccer, etc. You want to see some outrage-- you'll get it when you start with those.
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Uncle Fire wrote: As others have indicated, they're not purely extracurricular. My kids had classes with grades for band and theater related activities.
The source of money doesn't come from enrollment, it comes from taxes. It is ALLOCATED based on enrollment.
If you kill the tax credits, then schools will get even less money. Why? First, people won't necessarily make the donations or at least not at the level of the credits. The credits are just a way of diverting funds to your local school and activity. 2nd, many employers match donations to schools so there's a double bang for the buck in many cases. Frankly, his math is off. Suspending the credits won't amount to any NET add to the state education funds. The money goes to the schools, we get it back-- net ZERO. Its just a way of redistributing our tax money-- in a way WE get to decide on.
In any scenario where revenues go up, some tax will be affected and we will ultimately pay for it.
Not quite, Uncle. You are matched dollar for dollar for the tax credit, and the money to pay for it comes directly from the general fund. If you chose not to take the tax credit, then that money stays in the general fund for the legislature to use as it sees fit. By not financing the school tax credit, that's $100 million that is not taken from the general fund. Also, only individuals can take advantage of the tax credit, businesses cannot. Besides, as much as I like extracurricular stuff, don't you think it's more important to provide what's needed in the classroom first?
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Fees Paid to a Public School
What do I have to do to qualify for this credit?
To qualify for the credit you must make cash contributions
or pay fees to a public school for support of extra
curricular activities or for character education programs.
Will I qualify for the credit if I pay fees for my own
child to participate in an extra curricular activity or
character education program?
Yes, fees that you pay for your own child to participate
in an extra curricular activity or character education
program qualify for the credit.
Do contributions I make to the school qualify for
the credit?
Yes, if the contributions are in support of extra
curricular activities or a character education program.
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Jim40 wrote: Uncle Fire, band and theater are extracurricular activites. Raising taxes? No. More like collecting taxes that are already on the books. A good education system doesn't come free or cheap. School funding is based on enrollment, not on property values.
Godfly, it is absolutely an excuse. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know about the lunch issue, but funding for our schools is critical. You can go ahead and grab your ankles if you wish, but I prefer to actually try to do something instead.
As others have indicated, they're not purely extracurricular. My kids had classes with grades for band and theater related activities.
The source of money doesn't come from enrollment, it comes from taxes. It is ALLOCATED based on enrollment.
If you kill the tax credits, then schools will get even less money. Why? First, people won't necessarily make the donations or at least not at the level of the credits. The credits are just a way of diverting funds to your local school and activity. 2nd, many employers match donations to schools so there's a double bang for the buck in many cases. Frankly, his math is off. Suspending the credits won't amount to any NET add to the state education funds. The money goes to the schools, we get it back-- net ZERO. Its just a way of redistributing our tax money-- in a way WE get to decide on.
In any scenario where revenues go up, some tax will be affected and we will ultimately pay for it.
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DanaM wrote: That would be great, but as I found out when my oldest joined the band, these programs are much more expensive to run than we think.
And June, thanks for the clarification.
That is probably true, but I wonder what percentage of those band parents actually participated in the tax credit program. I would hazard to say less than 25%. If 75% participated, maybe you have enough money to keep it going.
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Here is my take on the Arizona tax credits. See this article. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/altss/printstory/frontpage/110355
Four reasons they will not cut the Arizona tax credits:
- Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, said he supports school tax credits.
- .....doubted the idea will move forward because it's popular with entities that form a "diverse and powerful lobbying group."
"Private school parents and supporters love the benefit it gives private schools," Private school officials are united against suspending the program, saying it would affect their diversity. - Vouchers, credits keep public schools in check School vouchers and tax credits are the future and represent an important way to keep pressure and accountability on public education.
Don't erode this enlightened approach!
Amy Paegel This number 4 is a prevailing attitude of many people in the general public and, I fear, in the legislature.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/altss/printstory/frontpage/87143
As much as it pains me to say this (he's still a blowhard), the rest of Erickson's proposals all make perfect sense. But perfect sense are not two words that will ever be used together by this legislature. All three of them will be construed as tax increases and anything construed as a tax increase is evil. Reinstating the county equalization tax, in particular, seems like such a no-brainer to me.
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/48leg/2r/fiscal/hb2220.doc.htm
The answer seems so simple to me, but will never happen in this state with the present makeup of this legislature. I would gladly pay a 1 cent sales tax or a 20 cent per gallon tax on gasoline or both.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/279617
I hope you all can change some minds down there at the capitol. I'm sorry, I think it is a lost cause..........with men like Russell Pearce pulling the strings on the puppet brigade, things will never change until we all start voting these idiots away.
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Here are the ideas. Will these ork, won't they? Are they worth pursuing?
Idea 1: Suspend all education tax credits. Why? Because it will add more than $100 million to the state’s general fund. Besides, most of the money goes to private schools, and what does go to public schools is for extracurricular activities. Our legislators are constitutionally bound to provide and fund a public education for this state’s children. During a time of financial crisis when they have made it clear that they cannot fund what the law obligates them to, legislators have no business financing private schools or extras in public schools. Besides, the state isn't asking either private schools or charter schools, which they fund, to share in the budget cuts. It is only fair that they do.
Of course, if our legislators were really serious about cleaning up the budget mess they would suspend all tax credits. Doing so would add a total of $340 million to the state’s general fund.
Idea 2: Re-implement the Qualifying Tax Rate (QTR). If they legislature were to do this another $588 million would be restored to the general fund.
At one time all of us paid into the QTR through our property taxes, and every single penny went to education. Three years ago the state legislature decided that they would pay for this out of their general fund instead. Several legislators, including Senate President Bob Burns, want to repeal the QTR permanently.
The question is why? Why would legislative leaders faced with a monumental deficit want to do away with a source of revenue they should have never been paying in the first place? One word: politics.
Re-instituting the QTR would cost the average Arizona homeowner less than $60 per year. Burns and others in the legislature say re-instituting the QTR would be tax increase. That’s a lie. What it would be is the end of a tax holiday they should never have created in the first place.
Idea 3: Do not permanently eliminate the county equalization tax. Opening this revenue stream and you can add another $250 million to the state’s general fund.
Idea 4: Freeze or reduce the state’s homeowner rebate. This idea adds another $250 million to the general fund.
Most of you don’t know this, but the state pays for the first 38 percent of every homeowner’s property tax bill. That’s right, for every $100 you owe, the first $38 are paid by the state. That figure is scheduled to go up to 39 percent next year. By freezing, or rolling the homeowner's rebate back to 2004 levels, it’s possible to add $250 million to the state's general fund and, because property rates have gone down, do it without a tax increase.
Taken together, these steps will add another $1.48 billion to the state’s general fund, and the 20 percent the legislature wants to take from every school district’s budget would drop precipitously. Add in dollars targeted to education in President Barack Obama’s stimulus package, and the needs for any cuts to education would likely go away.
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That would be great, but as I found out when my oldest joined the band, these programs are much more expensive to run than we think.
And June, thanks for the clarification.
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| And here's my deal with the public school tax credits. The extracurricular activities are going to be the first ones gone in the purging of the programs. By law these credits must be used for such activities, I am hoping these tax credits will keep the programs alive in which my kids participate.... Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2009 05:44 am by cheerleaderforclosers
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| Actually, band and drama are co-curricular. The classes are curricular, but some requirements are extra-curricular, like the plays for drama and playing at the football games for band.
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Yes they are.
While band and drama are offered as classes, participating in the marching band or any of the ensembles is considered extracurricular. You can take a drama course, but participating in the school play is an extracurricular activity. By law, ALL tax credit dollars go to extra curricular activities.
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Band and Theater are not extra curricular activities. Check the PUSD web site under curriculum.
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Uncle Fire, band and theater are extracurricular activites. Raising taxes? No. More like collecting taxes that are already on the books. A good education system doesn't come free or cheap. School funding is based on enrollment, not on property values.
Godfly, it is absolutely an excuse. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know about the lunch issue, but funding for our schools is critical. You can go ahead and grab your ankles if you wish, but I prefer to actually try to do something instead.
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Seems like everything he suggested amounted to raising taxes really.
He's got at least one part wrong. The tax credits don't just go to extracurricular activities. I've made donations to my local school for Band and Theater. Those are classes as well.
I must be missing something. Why in the heck do we have such a funding issue? My understanding is that the majority of school funding comes from our property taxes. Well, mine have gone up considerably over the past few years. I think some areas almost doubled a few years ago. So with all this money coming in from rising property taxes, where did it all go?
The whole "equalization" thing really ticks me off too. Its really annoying that my taxes go to fund all the other school districts.
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Not an excuse Jimbo. Fact of this hard life we are going through right now.
All of this banter reminds me of the school lunch controversy. We all remember that, don't we?. Look what that got you. It's the same situation. Until we vote out the members that have these views, we get to eat it (pun intended). Bottom line.
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That's a nice excuse, but that's all it is.
These people were elected to represent us, not themselves. If we don't think their doing what's in our best interests, we are obligated as citizens to let them know it and deamand that they fix it.
Citizenship does not mean you bend over and take it until the next election.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 05:05 pm |
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| Actually Jimbo, that's not true. I voted. The people elected were not the people I voted for. This country is based on majority rules. The majority decided to put in some people who obviously don't value education. I don't like it, and hopefully more people will see it my way next election.
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And like a good little Brown Shirt, you're going to stand there and take it.
A realist? No.
A coward? Absolutely.
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Thanks Nada coming from you that means a lot. Your snottiness is raising its ugly head again Just being a realist, sugarpie. Until we wake up at the ballot box, the times they ain't a changing. As No Mood stated, every incumbent was reelected. I guess the people have spoken what they want. We are all about to get some strong medicine.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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I was wrong. Your solution isn't to complain, but instead to intentionally, and without lifting a finger, allow students to have a substandard education to make a point.
That may be fine for your kids, but it isn't what I want for mine.
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| My real hope is we endure the pain for a couple of years and people finally wake up in the next election and vote the idiots out this time. Maybe if little Susie is sitting in classrooms with 45 students for a couple of years, it will be the impetus needed to get little Susie's parents off their asses and vote these idiots out!!!
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Godfly, thank you for admitting publicly for the first time what many of us have known for a long time: That you have no ideas, and that you are a coward.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:47 pm |
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You may well be right, but it seems to me that your solution is to complain instead of trying to use the power of public pressure to get the legislature to do the right thing.
I am sorry, especially for your kids, that your solution is to simply surrender.
For me, I might lose, but I'm not going down without a fight.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:42 pm |
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Hey Jimbo
Here is my solution to the problem. See No Mood. Until we get rid of these Republican crackpots we have now that have the attitude that the only good tax increase is no tax increase , nothing is going to change. Sad, but true. And if you think for even one moment that the legislature is going to stop the private school tax credits, I have a little bridge to sell you.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:36 pm |
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| unhappyinpusd, if you have solutions of your own, lets hear them.
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| I hope to see Michael Erickson's name on the ballot for AZ legislature in 2010. Since he seems to have all the solutions as to how to fix the budget crisis, may I suggest that he get off the blog and get down to the Capitol and present his ideas to the governor?
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:30 pm |
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I understand what you're saying, but disagree. If enough of us call or write our legislators, or write letters to the editor, participate in forums like this, then we can at least get them to talk about the issue of raising revenue. The instruments to do so are in place, we just have to use them.
Frankly, it seems you both would rather wave the white flag than to discuss the options that have been presented. I find that very odd coming from fellow parents. If there were ever a time we need to fight for our kids, it's now. Why are you so willing to give up? Why do you refuse to discuss the options that have been presented? And do you have better ideas of your own that would enhance revenue? Please, if you don't like the guy who came up with the ideas, fine. But rather than sitting on your duff and tossing brickats, enlighten us with your own ideas on what should be done. Try actually participating in a conversation instead of starting an argument.
BTW, I noticed that one of you is a rather intense grammarian. You might find this link funny: http://jeremylockyer.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/the-the-impotence-of-proofreading/
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 04:50 am |
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No_mood wrote:
Every elected state representative that was up for re-election last November was re-elected, including Harper. We cannot change the way this state business if we keep re-electing the same people.
If you truly want things to change...you have to start at the top!
Amen, No Mood.....
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