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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 08:20 pm |
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 08:16 pm |
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I think we should all contact the ACLU and ask them where the response is from the PUSD. I hope they will post it on their website immediately. They need to!
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 08:11 pm |
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PUSD STATEMENT REGARDING ACLU ALLEGATION
GLENDALE, Ariz. – The Peoria Unified School District has received inquiries from the media regarding an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) allegation that was posted on its web site. To date, PUSD is not in receipt of any correspondence from the ACLU, but a copy of the communication was forwarded to PUSD from local media.
Upon review, a posting linked to the ACLU Foundation Home Page misrepresented the facts when it stated that PUSD school officials did not allow a student to wear a rainbow wristband at school. This is not correct. The wristband in question was not banned by any PUSD employee. The student, to date, continues to wear the wristband on campus, and has not been directed otherwise, nor has the student been reprimanded or punished as a result of his choice to wear the wristband.
The Peoria Unified School District protects student rights, ensures free expression and guarantees students will be safe from harassment, as prescribed by federal and state guidance. PUSD provides students the choice to wear or otherwise display messages or symbols as long as they do not interfere with the educational process.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 07:23 pm |
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| Where can we view the letter the school wrote back to the ACLU?
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 07:22 pm |
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You are absolutely right that the rules are the point. So why aren't they being enforced? The answer is because the issue is one of homosexuality. No one wants to hurt the poor boy's feelings by infringing on his "right" to be gay. I say we can't let a person's (especially a child's) sexual preference to be a free pass for doing whatever they want!
Enforcing the rules has nothing to do with anyone's opinion of Chris's sexuality so, for the umpteenth time, why involve the ACLU? Mom wanted to make a big fuss and then get mad when there was a big fuss. What?!? My main concern is that the school seems to have given in. That just paves the way for more rules to be broken. What's next?
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 07:02 pm |
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Right, the issue is not Chris' sexual preference, it's about the rules of the school. Every student and parent signs an acknowledgement at the beginning of each school year stating they have read, understand, and will comply with the rules/dress code. Chris did not comply with the rules and actually could have been punished but WASN'T! He continues to wear the wristband to school so in my opinion, this whole thing has been completely blown out of proportion. Chris IS getting a lot of attention, albeit negative attention, but that's why he wears the wristband to begin with, IMHO. The majority of the students follow the rules, why is it that his "rights" are being violated when he isn't following the rules? I just wish this whole thing would go away so the kids can get back to learning and studying for the testing next week. There are a lot more important things going on in this world besides his desire to break the rules and his mother allowing it.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 06:35 pm |
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The issue here is not if this kid is gay or not. People don't have to like gay lifestyle, but the kid doesn't deserve to get hassled for it either. I'd be willing to bet that based on his reported behavior, he gets enough ripping from his peers.
That said, the issue is the subject matter of his clothing-- that's it. If its disruptive, it is disallowed, that simple.
Again, if it were something akin to a pot leaf or some of the stuff on t-shirt he11, then it would be clearly not be allowed.
Problem now is, that there is alot of attention on this and in the end I think the kid will get the brunt of it.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 06:33 pm |
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| I agree with Jessa that uniforms would be a great start in addressing issues such as these. Lots of schools have them; why not Parkridge?
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 06:18 pm |
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Read the very first Post in this thread... She did state a very very good point and I believe that was the nature of her "ire" with this controversy. I concur with the point she was trying to make. In fact I agreed so much that... her post was the reason I first posted. Don't get all riled at her because of her personal opinions. She is allowed a voice just as you and I are.
The true point is... Chris was never denied his civil rights to express himself. He was never asked to stop wearing the wrist band and he never did. The Mother and Child mis-quoted the Principal, and the media and the ACLU took it as fact with out checking with the quoted. I wonder if anyone knew that? But as always it happens all the time. Oh and BTW the school district has released a letter back to the ACLU go look at it...
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 06:00 pm |
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| No, Mama's purpose in life is to rail against what she sees are the heathens among us......and this issue just gave her a pulpit. Last edited on Fri Mar 27th, 2009 06:03 pm by
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 05:58 pm |
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| Yes, there are far too many distractions from the learning process.....I would be the first one to support uniforms.....
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 05:54 pm |
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Oh and in defense of Mama I dont see where she said that homosexuality is going to be the end of us all... but again that was what I took from her words....
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 05:53 pm |
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I agree with quiet...there is a lot to be said in the abstaining from words. You can win people over with out words too. AND sometimes if the attention that someone is seeking is not achieved then it will quietly go away. BUT what is going to happen through this is others hetero, and bi, are going to probably try and make a point that they can wear worded representation of their preferences with in the school doors. Just because it is labeled their freedom in the 1st amendment they will get away with it. These are 8th graders not college kids that are adults. Unfortunately people will not take the high road and ignore these things it will be discussed and then blown up.
Its just a place for the kids to go and learn. I would love it if they had to wear uniforms with NO accessories allowed. Then this would not even be an issue...
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 05:31 pm |
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Actually, I think we got down to the real subject here - people's hangups with homosexuality and the bizarre views on this. This would not be the issue it is if it would have a pot leaf on a sleeve and the mother had called the ACLU. It just gives Mama and other acorns their chance to chime in on how homosexuality is going to be the ruin of us all.
And, really, why did these teachers start this whole thing anyway? Some things are just better left alone.....
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 04:12 pm |
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Hey what happened here? I was so honored yesterday that everyone was pretty much sticking to the subject and not speaking out about their personal opinions. Hey lets just stick to the real subject!
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:34 am |
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Concerned Mama wrote:
Thanks for your contributions!
Sorry Mama, your contributions only made me nauseous. The problem is, I think you truly believe what you write.... and that's the scary part for me!Last edited on Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:35 am by
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:10 am |
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| Point taken Patriot. (Still, isn't this the heart of the matter, really?)
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:08 am |
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We're not going to come to agreement on this so out of respect for Patriot and those who are more interested in the issue at the school level I'm going to leave you to your nausea.
Thanks for your contributions!
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:04 am |
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Excuse me, but I'm starting to feel a bit nauseous.
When this crap getS tuned up, it is truly unbelieveable how narrowminded people are that are living around me. Mama, you try to appear as if you are above all of this, but the bottom line is you have a problem with message. The Gay message...
The passages you're referring to are written by a man, Paul (just as Catholic priests are only men). These are Paul's opinions that were compiled in this book.......
A Patriot, I will post anything I care to post, thank you. I think the bottom line of all of this is not the ACLU and what they did, but the whole unsavory business of homosexuality in MAMA's and others eyes. And that's the core of this whole controversy.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:02 am |
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Yeah, yeah, I'm getting there "areyounotkiddingme". Don't worry, I'm not trying to sneak out the back door.
I don't believe my thesis is blown . . . There's a big difference between saying "Right is right; wrong is wrong," and saying, "Right is right; I'm right and you're rotten!" I hope Elictrichman will ease up on his approach but whether or not he does I am still going to say, calmly and respectfully: Right is right and wrong is wrong. Those aren't my personal feelings; that's the truth.
Just curious why my reference to the Bible strikes you as "ignorant". Can you use the Bible to refute my point?
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:01 am |
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This forum is heading too far from the original issue. Do it somewhere else!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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"Areyounotkiddingme", I don't follow your reasoning. How did I contradict myself? What your questions about a different Bible referring to?
Believe me, if God was fine with homosexuality, I would be fine with it too but He's not. Romans 1:24, 26-28 is clear about His stance on the matter and I intend to stick with the Designer when it comes to deciding how things should work.
God does speak to the "arrogant homophobes"; of course He doesn't call them that but He used very strong language toward religious people who thought that their rules were better than God's way. We're all sinners - maybe that's the sore spot, eh? I'm not saying, "Ew, gross, a gay guy! He's a SINNER!" The Bible says we are all sinners and the penalty for sin is death. Jesus came to earth and died as a sinless sacrifice so that both the homosexuals and the self-righteous hypocrites could be forgiven of their sins, different though they may be, and therefore rescued from the death penalty of sin. I don't elevate myself just because I'm not gay but I do believe this issue has important ramifications for our society and that's why I'm involved in this conversation. I refer to the Bible because it is there that Chris and his mom will find, not only forgiveness, but healing from whatever has wounded them and hope in Jesus Christ.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:45 pm |
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So, MAMA, not going to let you go on this....
Kind of blows your thesis of not letting personal feelings into the argument and then you throw ignorant statements like this into the mix:
The Bible is equally clear on the sinfulness of homosexuality and God's grace for sinners of all kinds.
Please do not fuel the fire of the liberal left by lending creedence to their claim that we're all self-righteous, arrogant homophobes. We're not. If you personally fit into this category please tone it down or refrain from posting.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:34 pm |
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I actually have a big problem with the bare midriffs, spaghetti straps, etc. These should absolutely be addressed (though probably not by the ACLU). If this stuff is going to slide, what's the point of having a handbook? (And especially since bare midriffs are probably more distracting to the general population of the school than the armband is!)
Incidentally, a T-shirt that says "Looking for a cute Mormon boy" does not conjure up mental images of sexual behavior like this armband does. (If it did, it should be addressed also!) Besides, I think the purpose of the two icons are completely different.
I see your point but if Mom's touchy on the subject, maybe she ought not to put her kid out there on the front lines of a pretty intense battle at the age of 14! I think she's probably getting exactly the response she anticipated and now she's using it to press an agenda that does not belong in a classroom along side US History and Algebra. The whole thing seems painfully misguided and I hurt for Chris and Natali, both.
Thank you "trulyunbelievable" for conceding that the ACLU's response was disproportionate. It is encouraging to see a "left-leaning" contributor glance toward the center.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:25 pm |
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Concerned Mama wrote: The Bible is equally clear on the sinfulness of homosexuality and God's grace for sinners of all kinds. Please do not fuel the fire of the liberal left by lending creedence to their claim that we're all self-righteous, arrogant homophobes.
Sorry, Mama, but these two sentences are very contradictory.
Really, the Bible is clear on this.........do you have a different bible.....are there different versions.....is there a version for arrogant homophobes.....
I never understood why people like you and others have such a big problem with homosexuality.....
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:22 pm |
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If what he was wearing was disruptive, then I agree, he should be told so, as it appears he was. However, I don't think just saying the word "gay" or having it on a wristband is sexually explicit. I've seen some young Mormon girls wearing tshirts at school that say things like "looking for a cute Mormon boy" etc and no one had a problem with that. No one seems to have a problem with bare midriffs, spaghetti straps and things like that either, but they are also "against the handbook".
While I am a left-leaning liberal, I agree that I find it pretty arrogant that the ACLU "demanded" a response. Actually, that they're involved at all.
But people, listen to just some of the phrases that have been used discussing being gay:
Homosexual camp (is that like Boy Scout camp? Sorry, I couldn't resist)
Satan
sinfulness
the devil
Communists
anarchy
No wonder mom's a little touchy on the subject.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:02 pm |
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I agree.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 11:00 pm |
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Electrichman, I agree with your opinion of the issue of gay pride but in the interest of keeping the discussion respectful I have refrained from gay-bashing. Please do the same! The Bible is equally clear on the sinfulness of homosexuality and God's grace for sinners of all kinds. Please do not fuel the fire of the liberal left by lending creedence to their claim that we're all self-righteous, arrogant homophobes. We're not. If you personally fit into this category please tone it down or refrain from posting. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but such an approach only weakens our argument and inflames theirs.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 10:51 pm |
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Everyone's opinion aside for the moment, if a child is wearing clothing with an explicitly sexual innuendo on it, according to the school handbook he needs to be asked to remove it (or cover it or turn it inside out or whatever)! So sorry this turned into a controversy involving the ACLU but if Chris's mom signed the handbook she needs to abide by it and so does her son - gay, straight or otherwise! If being gay means a person doesn't have to follow rules and they can hold the whole system hostage if they are asked to follow rules they don't like, America is headed for outright anarchy! Oh yeah, I remember now. That's exactly where we're headed! Somebody stop the train . . .
If it is that important to Natali that Chris be allowed to wear that very armband in that very way at school, she needs to enroll him in a school that allows students to wear sexually perverse clothing. Having trouble finding such a school, huh? Wonder if there's a reason for that . . .
Schools are for educating children, period, paragraph. Anything that interferes needs to be stopped.
How does the administration respond to parents who, with the school handbook on their side, want the armband nixed? I don't have kids at the school or you bet I would be in there . . . please someone! Don't let Chris's sexuality and the big bad ACLU erode the rules! Let's hold the school and the district accountable for defending order and decency!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 10:33 pm |
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I agree with the general sentiment of all these posts that schools have enough on their plates without ACLU getting involved in what appears to be a tempest in a teapot. Having said that, ignorant attitudes as expressed by electrichman are not constructive at all. I don't need electrichman to impose his values on me and frankly on anyone else.
By the way, this is just another example of the distractions that take away from the learning process and is a big reason our schools are so bad when compared to the rest of the world. I really am in favor of uniforms, you're here to learn, if not, get out. And while we're at this, cut out the silly half-days, the silly field trips, etc.........Don't get me started.......
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Electrichman I respect your personal views on the subject of this, however I don't want to put my personal views and opinions out on what I think of any sexual lifestyle. It is just that my Personal and Private opinion. If asked what my opinion is or what I think I would tell them. The true issue is not the immorality or morality. This is just a plain and simple spin on getting agenda met behind the protection of "our civil rights" Dont you see that they are screaming discrimination and there is no issue of discrimination at all. He is wearing the wrist band and no problem. I agree with Proud Mom of 2 when she asked "Why if he is still allowed to wear the wrist band was the ACLU involved at all?"
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 10:13 pm |
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Denial to gay pride is a good thing.I am disgusted with people and organizations,try to force their corrupted lifestyles down my throat. Good is Good ,and bad is bad,and so is sin,which is bad! If you think for a second, that just because you make a choice to live continuously in sin,and cry for your precious rights, that i should have sympathy for your wrong thinking,you have another thing coming.
Your disgusting lifestyles ,and you know,your bad living isn't right,you feel you should have equal rights: Equal rights ,yes,but not equal right to shove your wrong lifestyles down our throats.
Sorry, but your excuses for living that way is a choice.This is a morality issue! It has nothing to do with your personal rights as a sinner.You will be treated as a person by me,any time.And i will treat you with respect.But i will not stand for gays thinking they are being victimized by society.
Everyone has this little inner voice inside of them which knows ,right from wrong.And those who refuse to listen will ultimatley pay the price for their rebellion of GOD!
So get ready to live an eternity gnashing your teeth, in the depths of hell!
Isn't fantastic that satan has a hold on your soul,and you don't even know it!
And just think tomorrow,he's even going to fill your head up with little intricate lies ,that sound good,and make you fell good,and might sound ok.But be not decieved people>
The devil is real,and he's trying to destroy all of us, and our great country!
People need to wake up,grow up,and start making true moral decisions for this country of ours.Quit hiding from your responsibilities,to do the right thing! Because if you have a choice to do someting right,and you don't;you also will pay the price for not doing the right thing.
GOD loves everyone the same;but he does not stand for stupidity,I'm sure!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 10:05 pm |
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I am a retired police officer and I have known David Svorinic for over eight years. I have two kids who are attending Parkridge and a son who graduated from there last year. Mr Svorinic is one of the most dedicated educators that I have ever had the privilege to know. His motives in everything he does are to teach our children to have the highest standard of character and academics possible. He is a fair and honorable man who is an excellent role model for our children.
The ACLU has a long history of hypocritical beliefs. If my son wanted to wear a T-shirt
that says: "I love God" you can bet they would be all over that arguing that other kids may be offended. Whose rights are the ACLU protecting each time they get involved? They seem to pick and choose. That's why several of my friends call them the American Communist Lovers Union!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 10:05 pm |
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Oh no he is wearing the band full words in view and all. The real issue here is the boy is seeking attention that he needs and wants. Sadly to say negative attention or positive attention it just doesn't matter... Just plain attention... so goes the ACLU. I have an interesting question to the papers and t.v. press.. What is Chris' Fathers take on all this? Have they interviewed the Father at all does anyone know?
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 10:04 pm |
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He's still wearing it with the wording visible. That's another thing I don't understand about having the ACLU involved... nothing changed!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 09:52 pm |
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Right again! What horrible timing with testing coming up.
I think I might write a letter of support to the staff. I don't know all the details but they were right to enforce the rules and shouldn't be getting this kind of flack for it. I was a teacher for 3 years and it's a hard enough job without this kind of junk!
Incidentally, if he is still wearing the band, does he turn it around so the words don't show or is he still parading the sexually explicit comment? That is a concern that should be addressed, even if it might get the ACLU called again, good grief.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 09:01 pm |
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The problem is that this IS affecting the students of Parkridge. My child told me that it is a major controversy at the school and everyone is taking sides. Next week is testing and the kids need to focus on studying for that, not this issue. Chris has every right to have free speech, just like every American, but the rules of the school must be followed. No sexually explicit articles of clothing may be worn to school - everyone signed and agreed to the rules at the beginning of the year, just like every year. There are rules to be followed everywhere in life, whether it be at school, while driving, or in a work environment. What is this child learning from his Mother calling the ACLU? That HE doesn't have to follow the rules? Perhaps more positive influence from the adults in his life would be helpful. The rules in the handbook are there for a reason, so every child can have an uninterrupted education. Obviously that is not the case this week. If the Mother had an issue with this rule, she should have addressed it with the Principal instead of hanging up the phone when he called and then calling the ACLU. How rude! And as stated previously, Chris was never reprimanded and continues to wear the wristband to school everyday.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 08:02 pm |
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What scares me is that what the homosexual camp is going to hear and promote is that a school in Peoria, AZ is gay-bashing some poor kid who just wants to express himself without harassment. This is the kind of stuff that gets blown out of proportion (regardless of the facts) and becomes the jumping off point for a lot of anger and aggression that will have repercussions that will affect us all (and our kids!).
This is a great forum for airing my opinion but I want to know where I can go and/or what I can do to nip that in the bud. Can I appeal to the ACLU (talk about spitting into the wind!) or what are some other ideas? I am going to be raising my kids in this country and I won't hand it over to those who would seek to destroy every last ounce of civility in the name of personal freedom!
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| You are right as rain Uncle Fire! This has been blown out of proportion in to an issue it is not. They are in fact chasing a issue of homosexuality in lieu of the rules of the schools handbook that state.... “In part that any designs or lettering that promote sex or sexual innuendos are prohibited.” I know because I signed it with my children. Just the facts... just the facts.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 07:21 pm |
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What is odd about this is that the band is a double (tripple?) entendre and can be interpreted in a few ways...
1. expression of gay pride
2. criticism - saying something is "gay" nowadays is the akin to saying it is strange, dumb, odd
3. traditional definition of "gay"-- that something is "happy".
In this context, this guy is pretty clearly saying 1.
I found it interesting that the ACLU demanded a response. I generally support civil rights and many things the ACLU does. But this is a bit rediculous. Who are they to DEMAND a response regarding enforcment of school rules?
Since when is the 1st amendment a free-for-all, especially for minors in school? It's not.
As an adult, I can say pretty much what I want in an open forum or on the street corner. If I want to rant, throw out racial slurs, cuss in public, call every public official some nasty words, wear adult oriented attire, I can do so. I wouldn't, and it is probably not wise, but I could.
Not so in school-- there ARE some rules regarding appropriate language, disruption, how one dresses, etc. If this thing causes disruption, its done. If a kid walked in with a shirt (or arm band) that said something disruptive or innappropriate (oh, let's say a pot leaf, or a cuss word or a controversial band shirt), they'd be chastised as well.
Now if the guy just wore something with a rainbow on it, given the context may still be controversial, could be acceptable.Last edited on Thu Mar 26th, 2009 07:24 pm by
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 07:02 pm |
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Your Welcome Concerned Mama! The really sad part is that we are most likely not the majority in the way this is looked upon. Sad to say that this is even an issue I concur completely. Let's hope that this is resolved and young Chris is not hurt. The one thing that I can not understand is what that Mommy is doing putting her son out there on parade to get hurt. Wow! If one of my children were openly gay I would be ultra protective. It is unfortunate that we do live in a society with racial bias' against differences, slanderous, rude, cruel, discriminating, and intolerant, but that is just the facts and it does not mean it is right. Middle school is hard enough with out throwing your sexuality out there. I also hope that the school district, and Parkridge Elementary is still respected and held up in a light as a wonderful place to be. We love it there.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 06:36 pm |
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| Yes, Jessa, Thank you! Everyone is so concerned about individual "rights" that we have begun to lose sight of what is best for the whole community. If you want to get your way in a matter - even a totally ridiculous one - just claim your rights have been violated and the ACLU will come riding in to save the day. Glad to have company in thinking this is not an issue of "rights" as much as one of authority and protecting the other students. Please support our teachers and principals as they seek to do what they are charged and paid to do - EDUCATE our kids in a safe and sexually appropriate environment. Good grief, why do we even have to talk about this?!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 06:23 pm |
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Here is the whole article on the issue. From the Peoria Independent, March 25, 2009:
By Julie Anne Maurer
Independent Newspapers
Thought the halls of Peoria Unified School District Schools were empty last week for spring break, the district still managed to make the national spotlight.
The American Civil Liberties Union released a statement protesting the ban of a student’s armwear, and the district denies there is a ban at all.
The ACLU claims a gay 14-year-old student at Parkridge Elementary School, 9970 W. Beardsley Road, was told by principal David Svorinic to turn his rainbow wristband that read "Rainbows are Gay" inside-out or stop wearing it to school.
The boy’s mother contacted the organization and the ACLU sent a letter March 17 to the district, demanding they lift the ban.
"When I asked my son’s principal why he wouldn’t be allowed to wear his wristband to school anymore, he said some teachers found it offensive," stated the boy’s mother, Natali Quintanilla, in ACLU’s release. "My son is honest and happy about who he is, and I love him and support his right to be himself. There are a lot of things teachers should be more concerned about than one little wristband — like educating our children."
District officials said the boy was not banned from wearing the band.
"This is not correct. The wristband in question was not banned by any PUSD employee," stated PUSD spokeswoman Bonnie Apperson. "The student, to date, continues to wear the wristband on campus, and has not been directed otherwise, nor has the student been reprimanded or punished as a result of his choice to wear the wristband."
As of March 19, district officials were unaware of the ACLU’s statement.
"To date, PUSD is not in receipt of any correspondence from the ACLU," Ms. Apperson stated.
According to Alessandra Soler Meetze, Executive Director ACLU Arizona, a postage mail letter was sent March 17, along with a fax, to both Mr. Svornic and District Superintendent Denton Santarelli, Ed.D.
"We would not have sent out the press release unless we were sure they had received the letter," Ms. Meetze said.
In the letter, PUSD was given 10 days to respond, but the letter was sent during spring break.
District officials said school principals were not working during break, and district administration staffing was light during the week, so getting a response last week would have been difficult.
Ms. Meetze said the national ACLU office was unaware of the spring break schedule when it sent the letter.
"We are looking to resolve this informally, so if they are looking for additional time, we are willing to work with that," Ms. Meetze said.
When contacted by the Independent, district officials were unaware of the ACLU statement.
"A copy of the communication was forwarded to PUSD (by the Independent)," Ms. Apperson stated. "Upon review, a posting linked to the ACLU Foundation Home Page misrepresented the facts when it stated that PUSD school officials did not allow a student to wear a rainbow wristband at school."
A copy of ACLU’s statement, along with the letter sent to Dr. Santarelli, can be found at http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/youth/.
Ms. Meetze said she hopes the district responds well to ACLU’s letter.
"When we send a demand letter, the second step is litigation, but we obviously don’t want it to come to that. We just want him to be able to wear his wrist band," Ms. Meetze said. "If he was banned because teachers were offended, it’s an overreaction on the part of the school. It’s letting bias dictate how students express themselves." In its statement, ACLU officials said they have won similar cases in the past.
"The ACLU has won dozens of cases over the years where schools have tried to get away with illegal censorship," stated Elizabeth Gill, staff attorney for the ACLU national Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Project. "A handful of teachers supposedly working themselves into a tizzy over one little wristband is hardly an excuse for violating Chris Quintanilla’s right to free speech."
Dan Pochoda, Legal Director of ACLU Arizona, agreed.
"When schools censor students like this, they are failing one of the most important civics lessons there is," Mr. Pochoda stated. "Schools should respect the Constitution and encourage all students — lesbian, gay, bisexual, and straight — to appreciate and exercise their freedoms, rather than illegally trying to silence them."
District officials argue they also uphold students’ rights for free speech.
"The Peoria Unified School District protects student rights, ensures free expression and guarantees students will be safe from harassment, as prescribed by federal and state guidance," Ms. Apperson stated. "PUSD provides students the choice to wear or otherwise display messages or symbols as long as they do not interfere with the educational process."
With school starting back up this past Monday from spring break, district officials are awaiting their letter from the ACLU, while the organization is waiting for its response for the district.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 05:14 pm |
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I have a great many concerns with this subject as it has now come in to the headlines as a “rights issue”, or an “freedom of expression issue”. This same subject was addressed last week on News Channel 15 "Gay Peoria student's rainbow wristband generates controversy" When I read the article and saw the video last week I never even thought that this was a rights issue whatsoever. I was concerned that the Mother of this child was spinning the true issue of the handbook violation to seek her needed agenda with a gay rights issues. The student handbook from the school states, “In part that any designs or lettering that promote sex or sexual innuendos are prohibited.” THIS IS A SEXUAL INNUENDO wrist band period end of story. The wrist band should not be worn with the lettering to be read at school. He is able to turn the wrist band inside out or place it in his book bag when he is on the school grounds. This is not a difficult subject or rule to understand. Those are the rules and I as a parent of two children at Parkridge Elementary signed the same handbook with my children at the beginning of the year. Just as Chris and his mother Natali Quintillia also were required sign at the beginning of the year. What is there to not understand? You read something and sign it in affirmation. You are bound to a contract.
I believe just because the student was pulled aside and asked not to wear this kind of verbiage to school the ACLU and any other rights activists will be able to get their agenda met through this controversy. There is no controversy at all in this subject. The child broke the rules in wearing the wrist band with words promoting sexual information. He was asked to turn it inside out with the words on the inside. His mother was called by the school principle and she hung up on him. How absolutely ridiculous. This is just more disregard for the school, more propaganda to be met. She is hurting her son more in teaching him to disregard authority over him at school. My hopes for them are that they see this for what it really is. Insubordination and disregarding of his authority. He was told not to wear the wrist band and to please comply with the rules.
In closing I would like to say I have two children in this school. One of my two children is a classmates with this young man. My child told me that she knew he was openly gay and so does everyone else. He states it all the time. No problem with him proclaiming it, but you need to draw the line when there is clothing and words that are sexual explicit involved.
Thank you for allowing me my freedom of speech on my feelings and opinions
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 08:04 am |
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| I think this controversy is silly . . . does Chris have a "right" to express himself? According to the first amendment, of course he does. Does Chris have a right to parade around an elementary school in clothing that talks about sex? For crying out loud . . . NO! Chris' sexual preference is between him and God but it is inappropriate and offensive for him to flaunt it in an educational environment. I am far more concerned about protecting other kids from this kind of "in your face" sexual exposure at school than I am about poor Chris being robbed of his "rights". If teachers are offended (and probably distracted) to boot, isn't that a concern that affects the education other students are receiving? The purpose of a school is education not self-expression. Let Chris wear his armband at the grocery store if he's intent on telling the world that he's gay.
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