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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 03:58 pm |
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| You are one strange individual, to be sure........
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AREYOUKIDDING ME
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 03:58 pm |
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Wow, I was just noticing that you have 592...well now, 591 more irritating posts than I do. And I became a member only one day after you. Isn't that amazing?
I was also noticing the similarities in our names and avatars. It's like we could be sisters or something. I better get busy writing some more insulting/irritating posts so I can catch up with you. But then, you obviously have more time than I. Oh well, it gives me something to shoot-for, a goal in life, if you will.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 03:49 pm |
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| I think the little lion avatar is much cuter than the cartoon devil. Maybe you should use that one more often. The cartoon devil is like you're trying too hard to be ME or something. And the cartoon devil reminds me too much of Red Devil Pizza. Yet, if your trying to be irritating, the lion is just too cute to be irritated with.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 02:36 pm |
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Dear Pat56 AKA Arekiddingme with a moustache, Eleanor Gruntz, Spank the Monkey, Big Jim and the Twins, Basil Macdougal, Sometimes Rational etc,
Come on, did that really happen???????? Sorry, that sounds like a fairy tale to me
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TSOinPEO wrote: I believe that if you put out an old item for bulk pickup, until it is made illegal, it is fair game for someone to take...
Not exactly. It's kind of a gray area. In fact, the unauthorized person picking up things out of someone's driveway may be setting themselves up for a theft charge. They better make sure the stuff is on the curb and not on someone's property. The city instructs people to set items at the curb. But they will usually pick up items even if it is in the driveway.
I was in the process once of cleaning my garage out. I set some items at the end of my driveway, went inside to get a drink and take a break, I come out and there were two pickups in front of my house loading the stuff up. It was around loose trash pickup weeks, but I hadn't yet decided what was going to be thrown away yet. I had to rush out and order them to unload all the things they had just stolen from my driveway. They argued that they go all over the neighborhood picking up stuff at that time of year. In fact, one truck drove away, the other started unloading. I called the police and gave them the license plate number. They retrieved my stolen items and I was kind enough not to press charges. Next time may be very different.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 10:42 pm |
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| Thank you for your thoughts, TSO. If you hadn't decided that we'd covered this subject far enough, I was not going to reply again. Nuff said.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:49 pm |
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Let me say this to maybe clarify my point.
I believe that if you put out an old item for bulk pickup, until it is made illegal, it is fair game for someone to take. I'm not saying that the person that picks it up is legal, or not. But, until that person is detained for whatever reason and it is determined, they should not be assumed to be illegal.
I am a huge fan of Sheriff Joe, have a personally autographed copy of "Joe's Law" and even volunteer my time to MCSO, so we can agree on that. It is still a very fine line when encountering someone of Mexican descent on what you can and can't do without probable cause. And i'm pretty sure that taking the bulk items from someones curb wouldn't be cause.
So, I think we both have our good points here, and if it's ok with you, i will retire from this subject here.
Respectfully.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 06:59 pm |
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| Ok, TSO in PEO, I understand that you're a very tolerant person and I admire that. I don't think that the twice a year bulk trash pickup adds significantly to crime in our area, it's just an indication of the larger problem. You say you don't like illegals in our country and wouldn't mind if they were deported; but apparently you feel that as long as they're already here they can scrounge off America as best they can? And yes, your point is well taken that I have no proof that the crimes committed in my neighborhood were committed by any specific race of people; to my knowledge, most haven't been solved yet. But I think it would be naive to not have an "educated guess" about the likely ethnicity of the majority of the perpetrators. Sheriff Joe keeps getting hassled about possible "racial profiling" in his efforts to stop crime in certain neighborhoods. Maybe he should focus his attention on north Scottsdale? I personally know a police officer in Tucson who, in his own words, spends most of his time "chasing illegals around". It is what it is, TSO! I treat each individual as I see him or her, but crime is crime and illegal is crime. Trying to minimize the problem will only make it worse.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:57 pm |
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1woman,
To think that the once or twice yearly bulk pickup contributes significantly to crime in your neighborhood is short sighted. What about the people that pickup your donations, or the people that come to garage sales? How about those that deliver the paper, or phone books? In fact, what about the mailman?
To say that you "doubt the perpetrators were English or French immigrants!" could be interpreted as a racist statement. I hope you don't speak this way around your grandchildren.
I'd be interested in reading the law or ordinance that makes "garbage picking" or "dumpster diving" illegal. So, if you could link to it, that would be great.
Again, I am not in favor of allowing illegal immigrants, already in this country, to remain or get citizenship easier than anyone else. However, I am equally not in favor of assuming that a burglary, or other crime, was perpetrated by one race/nationality over another without proof.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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| Basil, I think you've got it right. TSO, sorry if I am a little worried about "people jumping my fence" - just in the last couple of months in my North Peoria, over-50 community, we've had tires taken from cars, large very heavy urns taken from front porches, copper wires cut and taken, rocks thrown through back bedroom windows and homes burglarized--and excuse me if I doubt the perpetrators were English or French immigrants!The City has offered to have trash pickup; if they don't have the manpower or the budget I'm sure they'll stop this service. Believe me, my political views are middle-of-the-road Democrat, and yes, I realize people need to find ways to feed their children and themselves the best they can. But there are legal established services available to them, legal and illegal alike. They're not showing their children anything good by combing neighborhoods and going through the trash.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 04:42 pm |
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| Well, then maybe the city should enact an ordinance against this practice. Until then, good luck getting it to stop.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 04:29 pm |
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| I don't like Mexicans rummaging through my trash either. The last time I piled things out front and a guy immediately stopped and I told him he best move on. I don't care what he intends to do with it. I intend on having my trash taken away by the city. I don't intend on having it strewn half way across my drive and out into the street. If these people want money they only need to find a job or they can receive benefits from our government. We don't need to encourage trash=pickers. I'm glad the city has responded to complaints and have lowered the window in which they come and pick the trash up.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:44 pm |
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Think about what these people are saving the city by taking your useless junk. The city has to pay the drivers, who drive the trucks. They have to pay the fuel costs and the upkeep. Then, they probably have to pay a certain amount to dump the stuff that cannot be recycled. The fewer trips they have to make, because someone else already picked it up, is money & energy saved to the city, and to the residents.
You seem to infer about "hispanic men". What difference does it make if they're hispanic, german, french, english? I grew up visiting homes on bulk pick up day with my father who is a 4th generation american (with european ancestry). I am the first person who would gladly like to see all illegal immigrants deported today, but come on.
You seem to be worried about these people seeing what you have because they may jump your fence. That is completely irrational. If you feel this way, then you may not want to ever leave your home. What if someone sees you wearing a piece of jewelry or driving a nice car?
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:54 am |
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| Hello, Recycle, sorry not to answer sooner, didn't get an e-mail that you had responded --the items I put out at the curb were items that could have been used ( almost ANYTHING can be recycled or reused, no matter what it is - ) the point is that they were too large for us to take to the landfill or to Goodwill - we don't have a truck! If the landfill had an area for people to go look at things that they could use, fine - I just don't like people roaming the streets in my neighborhood looking for "things". And hopefully these people "just trying to pay their bills" are here legally. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 07:19 pm |
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| Why dont you stop filling the landfills with things that can be recycled or used by someone else. Later on when the landfills are full from all the recyclable and usable items, you will be complaining because the cities need more money to build a new landfill site. Maybe you will be lucky and your city will want to make a landfill near your neighborhood. Then you'll wish you recycled instead of fill up the landfills so fast. And I dont know anyone that is gettting rich from picking up scrap metal just people trying to pay the bills.
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 05:59 pm |
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| Thanks for responding, Kidding --I'll stick with what I said previously, I'll just call one of the charities for big-item pickups and take the rest away myself from now on. (Last Sunday morning my husband took an item to the Goodwill in Surprise; they weren't open, and sure enough, a man was looking at the donated items left outside; my husband said he didn't appear to be Swedish) But at least he's on Goodwill's property, not mine. What a situation our lax immigration policy has put us in. I hope for some solution soon.
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 04:47 pm |
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This happens EVERY year. People aren't salvaging "treasures" out of my trash because they are down-trodden. They make a LIVING at it. By choice. I witnessed one guy driving around picking up only metal pieces. His truck was loaded with metal. I had other people pull up in front of my house, each looking for specific items. Mostly they are Hispanic (Calm down. I'm not trying to be racist. It's just an observation.). I tried to ask some of them what they do with the stuff but they didn't speak English. I finally spoke to one lady in English and she said that they have a little store in El Mirage.
It doesn't bother me if they take stuff. After all, I'm just trying to get rid of it. The only time it bothers me is when I have things piled up to the side of my driveway and people string it all over the place. At least they could kind of pile things back up again when they're finished.
The other thing that bothers me is when I set things out for Goodwill donations and people come along and take it. I clearly mark it with a sign, but that doesn't stop some of them.
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| Truly, I guess you're online now like I am, and thanks for your response. I'm so sorry your personal situation has gotten so dire because of the current economic problems; my husband (semi-retired) and I do have the luxury of having Social Security and Medicare helping us remain in our (also nice) home in Peoria, but over the years we had our share of bad luck. Be all that as it may, maybe my own personal history can shed a little light on why I feel as I do. I immigrated to America with my family from Germany at the age of 9; my parents applied for immigration and waited for four years while paperwork, health, sponsorship (an American citizen had to vouch for you) were being gone over with a fine-tooth comb before we actually got on the boat to America, with one big wooden crate carrying all our belongings. I learned English, became a citizen at age 17, went to college, paid my taxes, and I think have been a good productive member of society over the years. I never once used someone else's social security number or clogged up the hospital emergency rooms with my sick kids (yes, I know, not the kids' fault but there are plenty of American citizens with no health insurance who should have priority). I'd like to see more compassion for people like you who've had their lives turned upside down because of our government's unwillingnes to take care of American citizens first - I'm upset that the apparent lack of our government's concern over the overwhelming influx of illegal immigrants has caused a major drain on our medical, educational and social structures that I feel by right belong to American citizens. It's a privilege to be in America - I still have close relatives in Germany, but I'm an American first - and I don't like to see our country being used as a safety net ( or big free garage sale, to stick to the point) for every unfortunate soul who chooses to break all the rules to get here and then expect America to take care of them . I'm actually a fairly liberal Democrat in my political views, but on this issue I guess I'm as conservative as they come. Thanks for letting me vent, may times be better for you soon.
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Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2009 02:32 am |
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| Hi, trulyunbelievable, you are apparently a very caring, compassionate person and I admire that greatly. I myself donate items several times a year to various charitable organizations. I'm sorry about being so hard-nosed about the garbage thing (and we used to have a truck to take things to the dump, but don't any more)...my concern is items left out are attracting even more "people" (criminal or heading that way is what my quotes intended) than we already have every day and night crusing around the neighborhoods. I saw landscapers -(ah, so that's where she's coming from, you think, and you're right )-working on our neighbor's yard come over an look through the items we had left out. It's a situation we shouldn't have to deal with and just look the other way. No matter how bad my financial situation was I wouldn't feel compelled to drive around the streets looking for leftovers, and I don't think you would, either. I'm sorry the country to the south of us can't take care of its citizens and they feel their only hope is to come to our streets trying to survive. This whole garbage-combing thing is just a small indication of the much larger problem, and I hope some day it can be solved.
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 11:41 pm |
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| So in tougher times it's OK to look through my garbage? I'm just concerned that some of these "people" will soon be jumping over my wall to see what can be "recycled" out of my back yard, since my pile in the front yard looks so good. Maybe city residents could call the city during a specific week set by the city when they have a pile of unusable/unwantable stuff, make an appointment to have it picked up (not from the curb but from their property) and the city could put all the junk in one big pile and post a big notice online or in the paper that in a place designated by the city all those who want to come look at the junk can all come on the same day for a big grab what you can party. At least it'll save on gas for the pickup trucks who cruise the neighborhoods looking for opportunity to steal, and the residents won't have to look at piles of stuff on curbs in their neighborhood for a week. I don't go around looking through other people's garbage and I don't want them going through mine - bad economy or not.
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 11:10 pm |
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| Times are tough for everyone right now and what you witnessed is people salvaging anything that can be recycled.
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| We put a pile of stuff by the curb to have the City pick up as scheduled during the week of April 4th through the 10th . On Tuesday night we had several items taken; by Friday, after I called the city and they said they would probably not be coming around until Saturday (no, they didn't ) or Monday, we had two items (and an empty beer can) left behind and and I will just put them in the regular trash can. During the week, daytime, my husband saw an old pickup truck with two (sorry if I'm politically incorrect) Hispanic men, loaded with junk items driving slowly around the neighborhood. It's OK with us if our throwaways are of use to people - there are garage sales and Goodwill, etc. for that - but it makes me uncomfortable knowing that apparently the well-intentioned bulk pickup program is inviting scanvengers into the neighborhoods; in the future we'll probably just rent a truck and drive to the dump rather than advertise our home as having "usable free stuff". Anybody else worried about this, or has this become business as usual?
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