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Neither. It was "wow."
Of course, it is now clear that you grew two new personalities this week. Is that so you could find more "people" to agree with you?
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Wow. Overnight aynkm developed a whole new personality.
Nice try.
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PUSD Teacher wrote: Aynkm, yes, I did respond. I let you know that when you use the search engine on the district's web site that it often brings up outdated pages, which is exactly what you posted.
My goodness, you are not a bright person.
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Do you happen to have link of the current policy for homework. I would appreciate it.
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Seek the truth:
http://nohoneymoon.blogspot.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 24th, 2009 03:38 am |
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Aynkm, yes, I did respond. I let you know that when you use the search engine on the district's web site that it often brings up outdated pages, which is exactly what you posted.
My goodness, you are not a bright person.
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No_mood wrote: Here's an idea that I think in this time of recession and economic trouble this country is facing needs to be addressed.
There are $Billions$ of untaxed revenue that could really help out at every level of government, especially on the local levels.
We need to seriously consider taxation of our churches. Religion has become a multi-billion dollar a year business, yes I said business. Many countries look at various religious organizations as businesses, why should we be any different? The religious arena has all the power, takes in $Billions$ of dollars and pays zero taxes.
It has bothered me for some time about the fact that many if not most of our public schools become makeshift "churches" on Sundays. I have seen the "church" banners fly on the fences of Parkridge Elementary during the school week. In my opinion this walks a very thin line of crossing over into the separation of church and state argument.
Do these "churches" that convert of public school gymnasium's into makeshift places of worship pay for the space? Is the PUSD generating any income of these "churches"?
No organization should be exempt of taxation in troubling times.
Not ever going to happen as much as I would love to see it. Can you imagine a church having to open it's books and be audited? Can you imagine what would happen if the Catholic Church had to open it's books. Not to mention CCV and Church of Joy.
How I would love to see that!
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areyounotkidding me wrote: PUSD Teacher wrote: Your stupidity shines through with each and every post. The homework policy states that students are NOT to receive more than 50% credit for any late work they hand in. In other words, if they scored 100 on the assignment, their best grade can be no more than 50 -- a failure. If they hand in work more than a week late, it doesn't count at all. A big fat zero.
You really should do a little research before ranting about things you know nothing about.
Here is the policy PUSD Teacher - show me where they have only one week. You really ought to know your own policies.....REALLY SHOULD
PUSD High School Make-up and Late Work Policy
Rationale: The Peoria Unified School District is establishing a High School Make-up and Late Work policy in order to provide consistency across the district with regard to the acceptance and credit awarded for work that is turned-in by students beyond a prescribed deadline. The expectation is that all students turn in assignments on time. But, when this does not occur, we need to encourage students to show responsibility for their learning by completing the assignments. The philosophy of awarding partial credit for late work takes into account the following assumptions:
1.0 The teacher had a valid reason for assigning the work.
2.0 The assignment is aligned to the curriculum.
3.0 The assignment is designed to help inform the student and teacher of the student’s level of mastery of the course objectives.
If these assumptions are true, then the student should be expected to complete all assignments, even if the work is turned in late.
After careful consideration of the work of developing a late work policy completed by each district department, the high school principal group and district administration determined that there were many commonalities in the proposals and that it would most benefit teachers and students if these commonalities could be combined into one coherent District-Wide High School Late Work Policy. The following statements define the terms and conditions of the new policy.
Make-up Work: Make up work is defined as any assignments or tests students need to complete due to an excused absence. Students will be allowed the same amount of days equal to the number of excused absent days to make up assignments for full credit.
Late Work: Late work is defined as any work completed and turned in after a designated due date. Work becomes late when an absence is unexcused, for truancy or when a student turns in assignments after the equal number of days allowed for excused absences. Late work will be accepted up to the day prior to the last day of the grade-in progress period (each 4 ½ weeks). Students will receive a grade equal to 50% of the grade the student would have originally earned if the assignment was turned in on the actual due date.
This practice will take effect for all departments district-wide as of January 5, 2004.
By the way, PUSD, in further impeachment of what you say, did you ever respond to this? Do you have something that I can look at - an updated policy - that would prove me wrong at all?Last edited on Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 11:57 pm by
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unhappyinpusd wrote: PUSD Teacher: Are you sure your name isn't "DANA"??? You and Dana may want to enroll in an anger management class.
I don't think the students should receive ANY credit if homework is late. High school students have more than enough time to complete homework assignments in class, and to receive 50% credit for turning in an assignment one-week late is completely ridiculous. If it's late, it's late, and there's no grade. zero. nada. nothing. period.
I think Beth Joice and Andrea Strack received a bum deal from the District. The principal (Strack) stood behind the teacher (Joice), and the District failed miserably due to the "threat" of a lawsuit. I applaud Mrs. Joice and Mrs. Strack, and I say shame, shame, shame on the student's parents and, most especially, the school district. Andrea Strack, unfortunately, has left the District, as has her husband David (who was a long time teacher/counselor at Peoria High School). So, in order to appease and pacify a student and her parents who threatened the district with a lawsuit, we lost two really great teachers/administrators. Way to go, PUSD.
I know I just set myself up for a major scolding from PUSD Teacher/Dana/Peoria Dad. Please try to be kind when you respond. Please. I'm emotionally fragile right now since Dana's been beating me up all weekend.
Just more proof that you prefer to believe propaganda rather than the truth. In this specific instance Beth Joice violated the district's grading policy by counting a supplementary lesson for 40% of a student's grade. Andrea Strack, knowing this was wrong, let her get away with it, mostly because she didn't like confrontation. The district had every right and an obligation to step in. The only test that can count for 40% of a grade is a final, and that particular student passed that test with flying colors. As a result teachers have MORE paperwork instead of less. She is also an average teacher at best.
As for Andrea, she was in over her head, and retired three years later.
And aynkm, thanks for proving my point. And, so you know, when you use the search engine on the district's web site, you get links to outdated pages, which is what you posted in regard to the late work policy. But you did succeed in giving a few of us who actually work for a living a pretty good laugh.
Nice spin!
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AREYOUKIDDING ME wrote: No_mood wrote: Here's an idea that I think in this time of recession and economic trouble this country is facing needs to be addressed.
There are $Billions$ of untaxed revenue that could really help out at every level of government, especially on the local levels.
We need to seriously consider taxation of our churches. Religion has become a multi-billion dollar a year business, yes I said business. Many countries look at various religious organizations as businesses, why should we be any different? The religious arena has all the power, takes in $Billions$ of dollars and pays zero taxes.
It has bothered me for some time about the fact that many if not most of our public schools become makeshift "churches" on Sundays. I have seen the "church" banners fly on the fences of Parkridge Elementary during the school week. In my opinion this walks a very thin line of crossing over into the separation of church and state argument.
Do these "churches" that convert of public school gymnasium's into makeshift places of worship pay for the space? Is the PUSD generating any income of these "churches"?
No organization should be exempt of taxation in troubling times.
No Mood, I agree with the taxation part. It seems unjust and archaic to allow these churches--which are businesses, to operate without paying taxes.
However, schools do earn money by renting space to them. Church is held during off-school hours, so it really shouldn't pose a problem.
I am not against services being held at the schools.
I was just commenting that the church sign at Parkridge Elementary, there for a while, seemed to hang on the fence during schools hours from time to time. I have an issue with that.
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No_mood wrote: Here's an idea that I think in this time of recession and economic trouble this country is facing needs to be addressed.
There are $Billions$ of untaxed revenue that could really help out at every level of government, especially on the local levels.
We need to seriously consider taxation of our churches. Religion has become a multi-billion dollar a year business, yes I said business. Many countries look at various religious organizations as businesses, why should we be any different? The religious arena has all the power, takes in $Billions$ of dollars and pays zero taxes.
It has bothered me for some time about the fact that many if not most of our public schools become makeshift "churches" on Sundays. I have seen the "church" banners fly on the fences of Parkridge Elementary during the school week. In my opinion this walks a very thin line of crossing over into the separation of church and state argument.
Do these "churches" that convert of public school gymnasium's into makeshift places of worship pay for the space? Is the PUSD generating any income of these "churches"?
No organization should be exempt of taxation in troubling times.
No Mood, I agree with the taxation part. It seems unjust and archaic to allow these churches--which are businesses, to operate without paying taxes.
However, schools do earn money by renting space to them. Church is held during off-school hours, so it really shouldn't pose a problem.
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No_mood wrote:
Do these "churches" that convert of public school gymnasium's into makeshift places of worship pay for the space? Is the PUSD generating any income of these "churches"?
No Mood - They actually do pay the district for the rental of the space.
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Here's an idea that I think in this time of recession and economic trouble this country is facing needs to be addressed.
There are $Billions$ of untaxed revenue that could really help out at every level of government, especially on the local levels.
We need to seriously consider taxation of our churches. Religion has become a multi-billion dollar a year business, yes I said business. Many countries look at various religious organizations as businesses, why should we be any different? The religious arena has all the power, takes in $Billions$ of dollars and pays zero taxes.
It has bothered me for some time about the fact that many if not most of our public schools become makeshift "churches" on Sundays. I have seen the "church" banners fly on the fences of Parkridge Elementary during the school week. In my opinion this walks a very thin line of crossing over into the separation of church and state argument.
Do these "churches" that convert of public school gymnasium's into makeshift places of worship pay for the space? Is the PUSD generating any income of these "churches"?
No organization should be exempt of taxation in troubling times.
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PUSD Teacher wrote: Your stupidity shines through with each and every post. The homework policy states that students are NOT to receive more than 50% credit for any late work they hand in. In other words, if they scored 100 on the assignment, their best grade can be no more than 50 -- a failure. If they hand in work more than a week late, it doesn't count at all. A big fat zero.
You really should do a little research before ranting about things you know nothing about.
Here is the policy PUSD Teacher - show me where they have only one week. You really ought to know your own policies.....REALLY SHOULD
PUSD High School Make-up and Late Work Policy
Rationale: The Peoria Unified School District is establishing a High School Make-up and Late Work policy in order to provide consistency across the district with regard to the acceptance and credit awarded for work that is turned-in by students beyond a prescribed deadline. The expectation is that all students turn in assignments on time. But, when this does not occur, we need to encourage students to show responsibility for their learning by completing the assignments. The philosophy of awarding partial credit for late work takes into account the following assumptions:
1.0 The teacher had a valid reason for assigning the work.
2.0 The assignment is aligned to the curriculum.
3.0 The assignment is designed to help inform the student and teacher of the student’s level of mastery of the course objectives.
If these assumptions are true, then the student should be expected to complete all assignments, even if the work is turned in late.
After careful consideration of the work of developing a late work policy completed by each district department, the high school principal group and district administration determined that there were many commonalities in the proposals and that it would most benefit teachers and students if these commonalities could be combined into one coherent District-Wide High School Late Work Policy. The following statements define the terms and conditions of the new policy.
Make-up Work: Make up work is defined as any assignments or tests students need to complete due to an excused absence. Students will be allowed the same amount of days equal to the number of excused absent days to make up assignments for full credit.
Late Work: Late work is defined as any work completed and turned in after a designated due date. Work becomes late when an absence is unexcused, for truancy or when a student turns in assignments after the equal number of days allowed for excused absences. Late work will be accepted up to the day prior to the last day of the grade-in progress period (each 4 ½ weeks). Students will receive a grade equal to 50% of the grade the student would have originally earned if the assignment was turned in on the actual due date.
This practice will take effect for all departments district-wide as of January 5, 2004.
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PUSD Teacher: Are you sure your name isn't "DANA"??? You and Dana may want to enroll in an anger management class.
I don't think the students should receive ANY credit if homework is late. High school students have more than enough time to complete homework assignments in class, and to receive 50% credit for turning in an assignment one-week late is completely ridiculous. If it's late, it's late, and there's no grade. zero. nada. nothing. period.
I think Beth Joice and Andrea Strack received a bum deal from the District. The principal (Strack) stood behind the teacher (Joice), and the District failed miserably due to the "threat" of a lawsuit. I applaud Mrs. Joice and Mrs. Strack, and I say shame, shame, shame on the student's parents and, most especially, the school district. Andrea Strack, unfortunately, has left the District, as has her husband David (who was a long time teacher/counselor at Peoria High School). So, in order to appease and pacify a student and her parents who threatened the district with a lawsuit, we lost two really great teachers/administrators. Way to go, PUSD.
I know I just set myself up for a major scolding from PUSD Teacher/Dana/Peoria Dad. Please try to be kind when you respond. Please. I'm emotionally fragile right now since Dana's been beating me up all weekend.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Actually, what has transpired because of this incident (and this is a district-wide rule) is that a student can receive up to 50% credit of any homework assignment that is turned in late. That really teaches our students a real life situation, doesn't it??
Can you not read or spell? Doesn't up to mean no more than 50%???
And you agree with this policy, do you PUSD Teacher?
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Your stupidity shines through with each and every post. The homework policy states that students are NOT to receive more than 50% credit for any late work they hand in. In other words, if they scored 100 on the assignment, their best grade can be no more than 50 -- a failure. If they hand in work more than a week late, it doesn't count at all. A big fat zero.
You really should do a little research before ranting about things you know nothing about.
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Actually, what has transpired because of this incident (and this is a district-wide rule) is that a student can receive up to 50% credit of any homework assignment that is turned in late. That really teaches our students a real life situation, doesn't it??
Well, Boss, I know this is late, actually two months late, and the client left us because it was late, but I'm going to turn this in to you anyway so I won't have to take a big hit on my salary negotiation coming up next week....Will you just pretend that we didn't lose that big client because of this and not take into account my fellow employees who turned theirs in on time and reflect this on my salary review?
Makes sense to me......
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That's good propaganda, and very good spin, but as most PUSD teachers can tell you it's miles from the truth.
Beth Joice is no hero. She violated the district's grading policy by counting a supplementary lesson for 40% of a student's grade. The district had every right and an obligation to step in. The only test that can count for 40% of a grade is the final, and that particular student passed that test with flying colors. As a result teachers have MORE paperwork instead of less. At best, Beth Joice is an average teacher.
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More Beth Joices and fewer PUSDTeachers
Beth Joice
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Beth Joice, 47, the Sunrise Mountain High School teacher forced to retest a student under legal threat, is a good-humored, stubborn Midwesterner who works hard for kids and fights for what she thinks is right, as she did when she helped change Arizona's adoption law.
Each year, the Peoria resident teaches a "life lesson" to her graduating seniors and plays them a 1994 TV news clip about how she and her husband, Bob, lobbied successfully for adoption reform.The Joices didn't want anyone else to suffer like they did when they had to give up a baby boy, Austin, to his biological father.They were in the process of adopting him and had him for 20 months.They later adopted a son, Logan, who is now 7.
The law they struggled for forces a man to formally admit he fathered a child soon after the birth, so he can't pop up in the middle of adoption proceedings to claim a child.
Special reports
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Joice said that's what she was doing when she fought back against a lawyer for the failing student's family who threatened to sue if she didn't allow the retest so the student could graduate.In the end, the Peoria Unified School District forced her to give the retest, although she didn't think it was the right thing to do.
By then, she said, she had made her position clear and had stuck to it.She admits she is hard to budge and that she admires headstrong figures in literature, like Elizabeth Bennett in the novel Pride and Prejudice, who declines two marriage proposals in an age when that just wasn't done, or Charlotte Pitt, an Anne Perry character who solves crimes in 19th-century London.
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But Joice says an assistant superintendent knew of the letter and told her something had to be done so that the student could graduate.
Joice, who grew up in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and taught her first class 18 years ago in tiny Afton, Iowa, said the "small-town Midwestern attitude" then was that you were answerable for your actions.
"Back when I started teaching, I don't think anyone would have dreamed of hiring a lawyer (to save a failing student)," she said.
Joice is the daughter of an elementary school teacher and an Army drill sergeant who divorced when she was less than a year old.Seeing how hard her mother worked, she vowed she would never teach.She considered careers as a social worker, an archaeologist and a meteorologist but in the end decided she was most likely to find work as a teacher.
She graduated in 1981 from the University of Northern Iowa with a bachelor's degree in English education and a minor in coaching.She went on to teach and coach women's basketball in Iowa before she and her husband, a former FBI agent who now works for a pharmaceutical company, moved to Arizona in 1985.She taught and coached boys' varsity swimming at Ironwood High School in Glendale before moving to Sunrise Mountain in Peoria in 1999.
Cherry Coats, a counselor at Sunrise Mountain, said Joice is a very fair, very organized teacher who works long days and puts herself out for students, in one instance seeking out reading material appropriate for a student who had a low IQ but didn't qualify for special education.
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Sue Turner, who coached swimming with Joice at Ironwood, said Joice was the coach that the kids would confide in.
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At the same time, students who tried to get the best of her verbally often found they had met their match, said Rita Contrata, who also taught with Joice at Ironwood.
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Dacia Bolley, 20, who took a tough honors English class from Joice, said it helped her write an essay that won her a scholarship at Mesa State College in Grand Junction, Colo.
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And the mother said Joice humiliated her daughter by telling her in front of other students that she had failed and wouldn't graduate.
"I think she's a fine teacher, I think she's a great person," the mother said."But I thought those two things were totally unfair."
Joice said she called the student out of the room and sent her to a guidance counselor, and Joice doesn't apologize for flunking her.
"You want to help kids who are almost there, but kids need to meet you halfway," she said."What does it mean to all the kids who work their tails off to get good grades?"
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news as it happens
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Whenever I mention Mrs. Joice, you always come out of the shadows....I am sensing some envy here. The one thing I remember about Mrs. Joice's letter to the attorney was how well-written, logical, and coherent it was. I think you, PUSDTeacher, are also an English teacher (I'm sorry students) and perhaps even teach with Mrs. Joice. Your posts always contain grammatical and spelling errors and it is almost unbelievable that a teacher wouldn't proofread everything she writes, no matter where it happens to be posted. Especially for a teacher, but you could have the most well-documented and logical argument (which you never even come close to this lofty goal) and the reader will dismiss you because of your lack of writing skills. If you recall your letter of months ago, you did not know how to spell such elementary words as 'sincerely', spelling it 'sincerily' not just once, but four times in the same post. Your latest post spells propaganda incorrectly. I think the decline in our writing skills as a nation starts at the front lines and whether you and others understand it or not, the ability to write a coherent paragraph is important to your students in the real world.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Just a few ramblings what I think needs to be done... For those who were here during the Sunrise Mountain fiasco with Mrs. Joice and how the district backed down to a lawyer's threat, we need to reward Mrs. Joices out there and the principal who backed her, not put them out to pasture and make them the villian. There is far too much of "getting along with the Peoria family" and not making waves attitude in this district. We need more people who will challenge the status quo and get rid of this attitude, 'that's the way we've always done it.' This is exactly why Diane Douglas is the lightning rod of controversy......she actually had the gall to question how things are being done.
Ramblings? More like you're still dealing in propoganda.
Beth Joice is no hero. She violated the district's grading policy by counting a supplementary lesson for 40% of a student's grade. The district had every right and an obligation to step in. The only test that can count for 40% or a grade is a final, and that particular student passed that test with flying colors. As a result teachers have MORE paperwork instead of less. She is also an average teacher at best.
Those Thursdays, by the way, are for professional development. It is also clear that you haven't the slightest notion of what an IS does. And if you had any common sense you would realize it would cost more to add school days to the calendar, and to hire people to perform the duties now done by teachers. Given the budget situation, just where would you get the money?
Perhaps before you enlighten us in the future, you might want to know what you're talking about. But I doubt it. Spinning is what you do best.
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I have had kids in PUSD system for almost sixteen years now and my youngest will be out of here in a couple of years. No, I am not a teacher, but having kids in this district for so long, I have formed an opinion or two about this school district. Yes, the immediate issue is finances, there can be no doubt. The economy will eventually come back, I am convinced, but we still have a system that is broken when times are better.
Just a few ramblings what I think needs to be done...
- Kids aren't allowed to fail. Kids are passed or allowed to graduate when they should be held back. The diploma means nothing anymore and is just a piece of paper. A perfect example is the AIMS test. The AIMS test is too difficult, etc. Bulls**t.....We have too many kids (and adults) who couldn't write a complete sentence if their lives depended on it. Many of the foreign kids who take English as a second language can write better in English than our high school graduates...and that's a crime.
- For those who were here during the Sunrise Mountain fiasco with Mrs. Joice and how the district backed down to a lawyer's threat, we need to reward Mrs. Joices out there and the principal who backed her, not put them out to pasture and make them the villian. There is far too much of "getting along with the Peoria family" and not making waves attitude in this district. We need more people who will challenge the status quo and get rid of this attitude, 'that's the way we've always done it.' This is exactly why Diane Douglas is the lightning rod of controversy......she actually had the gall to question how things are being done.
- Get rid of the bulls**t half days...What a stupid idea this was. It has always been a wasted day not only for the students, but also for the teachers and it forced parents to rearrange work schedules, etc. to pick up kids. It is just silly and I'm glad the board is thinking about ending this. And limit the fluff assemblies and fluff activities that just waste the school days that should be concentrating on teaching kids how to write, etc.
- This would have been a perfect opportunity to get rid of the deadweight teachers out there in the district. There are many very dedicated teachers out there, but wow, there also far too many I have met over the years that just really have no business in the classroom. The administrators need to be evaluating much more stringently and be given the latitude to get rid of the bad apples. Just because some of these teachers hung on and received tenure is absolutely the worst thing that happened to our education system.
- I thought the IS people were unneeded before and I think they are really unneeded now since it appears many of the rookie teachers appear to be history . Again, the administrators should be the ones in the classrooms with the teachers monitoring how they're doing and helping the teachers that really need it. Get rid of the silly superflous duties teachers are forced to do now and turn them loose and let them teach and help their fellow teacher.
- Lengthen the school year. Why do kids only have to go to school for nine months? We are a global economy now. Our kids will be competing with other countries' kids who value education much more than we do.....and our kids won't have a chance the way things are now.
- Strengthen the vocational education programs. Some kids are not college material, but would do well with more choices in these programs.
And, this is just an aside, but teachers, quit griping and moaning. This bad economy is not just hitting you all. Maybe you will have to have more kids in your classrooms for a while, etc., etc., but the benefits you have with your nice state pension, insurance benefits, etc. look awfully inviting to those people who were counting on their 401K to carry them through retirement and to those people are praying their kids don't get hurt because they can't afford the doctor bills. You who are keeping your jobs should be so thankful you are in the position you are and your whining about how bad you have it is falling on a lot of deaf ears right now....
Just my opinion.
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There's a way to fully fund education without cutting anything. Go to the link below to find out how.
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Editor's note: Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Peoria Independent. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
We would propose that before we cut where the kids are concerned we start cutting in other ways. We are guessing that if we had an audit there would be all kinds of funds that we could find that could be better spent.
The state Legislature needs to take a closer look at where they are sending the funds more closely. We are definitely in a mess with this economy. The state could do a better job of allotting the monies spent at the school levels and spend less in other areas.
Perhaps the pay cuts should start with the state Legislature. Cut out their extras such as cars, clothing, dinners, etc.
Many people across this nation are taking pay cuts to save their jobs. We would hate to be in the position that they are in making these decisions, but they have got to really take a hard look at the mess that could be caused in our futures when we take away the benefits from the children.
They are the future.
Surely they have or have had children, they have grandchildren, nieces, nephews, friends. The children need to come first in this economy.
Don’t let them down!
We hear over and over again about cuts being made in the schools. But what we are not hearing is what are you doing to make cuts at the district Level? When asked this question at a meeting at Peoria High School, Dr. Santarelli didn’t answer the question.
How about cutting any district cell phones, clothing allowances, gas allowances, cars, etc.? If anyone is receiving these benefits then start by cutting those. Many of the people in the DAC are making six figure salaries.
Maybe they could take a pay cut? Do we need as many people at the district level? We understand that without the district workers the schools wouldn’t function. They do play an important part! Maybe you could consider a four day work week at the DAC during the school year.
Cut out any travel at the district’s expense. At this point none of it is necessary.
Cut out the "double dippers". It is silly to pay retirement to someone and then hire them back again. We understand that sometimes this is cheaper because there are no benefits to be paid. We also understand that these are separate funds. But it is still not the answer. You could move teachers/staff around or promote existing tenure staff and the ones you are letting go could be still have jobs.
Do not accept any out of district variances unless there is some sort of compensation allotted. Our classroom sizes don’t need to be made bigger with kids who don’t belong there with less teachers. If these people chose to move out of the district they need to go to the schools by their homes.
Regulate the A/C units in all buildings and set them at a certain temperature. Many business employee’s don’t regulate their own temperatures. It doesn’t need to be as cool in the classrooms and buildings as it is. Raise the temperature that they are set at. Lock up the controls so that only certain people can adjust the temps. Many children often complain that they need to take a jacket in the hotter seasons because their classrooms are to cold.
Remove all fridges and microwaves from the classrooms. These are a luxury. Use the ones in the staff lounge. This will cut down on the electricity used. Turn off all of the computers and lights in the evening.
Cut back on the lighting in the classroom. Some of them are far to bright and many teachers don’t even turn them all on.
Create some kind of bulk mailing system. Or better yet go paperless and e-mail. At the beginning of the school year everyone asks for the parents e-mail addresses. Have them say if they would prefer to receive e-mails instead of paper.
Many times we receive the same letter in the mail or from the classroom for several children in the same family. If you have two high school students only mail home one letter (for example reminders for the AIMS testing) to the same address. If you have more than one grade school student give the oldest child the letter (such as PTSO info).
We receive many of these daily and they go straight in to the recycle bins. One per family would be great.
Also, the letter from the nurse informing us of strep throat or lice are nice but cut those down my making the notice several times on one sheet and cutting the sheet. We don’t need a whole page informing us. This would cut back on the paper usage.
Quit spending money on unused textbooks. Most of the information is now found on line. Most of the teachers don’t use textbooks anyways. They are just wasting paper and space in the class.
Base office staff on size of the school. For example, just because a school has three secretaries and three principals doesn’t mean a school with far less children need that many. Base them on a student to adult ratio.
Turn of all of the TVs that are in the classroom after the morning announcements. (Do not purchase any more that are needed..just get rid of them altogether. We used to listen to the announcements at Copperwood, Peoria and many other schools). Add a clock that runs on batteries.
This will help children learn how to tell time. These TVs are many times a distraction more than a help to the teachers anyway and over all may be sucking up a lot of energy.
Hold off on any renovations. Rumor has it that Peoria High is set for some major remodeling. Save as much money on these types of projects until our district is in a better financial situation.
Don’t over seed the lawns, except the play ground areas. Green lawns are beautiful but not necessary. This would cut costs in the seeding, watering and maintenance.
Instead of cutting out the extra activities such as sports and clubs, add a small participation fee. Limit transportation for these sporting events to in our county only. Far away sporting events on charter buses are not necessary. When we were kids we made many of these trips on very uncomfortable but affordable school buses. Add a small admission fee to these events to cover the expenses.
If in the event of a state championship do not buy the coaches fancy rings full of gold and diamonds. These are completely unnecessary.
Get rid of the career ladders. Just spend the money on the teachers.
Cut out all of the field trips. Many of these field trips are really not necessary and add an extra cost to the parents as well. If teachers want to take their kids for an outing have them walk to the park. Most schools have a park very close to them.
There is talk of getting rid of all-day kindergarten. Doing this will add more bus runs to the school. Does one expense outweigh the other? There could be a fee for all-day kindergarten again.
Fill up the buses. Many times we see a special education bus with 2-4 kids in them with a driver and an aide. Fill up those buses. It may make the route longer but it will cut out the cost in the long run. For the smaller runs use vans. These would be much more economic to use and easier to fill up.
Start in the district office and everyone take a pay cut (teachers take a smaller cut than the higher ups). I wonder if everyone would rather take a small pay cut than have their friends out of jobs, larger classroom sizes, less office staff, and more stress.
We understand there is tenure ... but some of the "more experienced" teachers are really bad! Just because they have been there longer they are more secure. This isn’t right. If/when you cut teachers, don’t go by one or two years. Go by how successful they are, if they have bad reviews, complaints, etc.
Cutting our teachers and increasing our class sizes isn’t the answer.
Extending our school hours into four school days isn’t the answer. We don’t know many children who could sit in a classroom longer than they do today. Many parents have to work to survive in this economy. They can’t afford the expense of having their children home on that fifth day and the childcare expense. There are many reasons why this would be a terrible choice.
We think that cutting where our children are concerned is a dangerous game. When you mess with our children you are messing with our future. These will be our future teachers, doctors, scientists and presidents. Do you want them to be under educated? Do you want them to have just squeaked by because their elders made bad choices on their behalf?
We are adults and we have made the decisions that we have made. It is not the kids’ fault! It is time for those who have made those decisions to step up and take the hit.
The bottom line is no one is more important than the other. If we can cut costs in other ways and let people keep their jobs, that would be the best solution!
Steven & Denise Grover, Mike & Marti Spezia, Suzanne Williams, Tyler & Kathy Scoffield, Michael & Michelle Perkins, Ty & Denise Pehrson, Trisha Matthews, Nicole Gonzalez, Bill & Mindy Freeman, Laura Jepson, Connie Jensen, KarraLee Trimble, Linda Flake, Loren & Wendy Howe
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