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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 04:01 am |
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Where does s**t like get started anyway? You people are being foolish. So, Apache Mom, I told you I would kiss your ass on Main Street if Diane Douglas is put in jail for this. Let's even go further.....if this is even investigated at all, I will do this.. They are laughing at you right now at the ag office...
You didn't really call did you????
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As was clearly explained in multiple EBT and employee meetings, PUSD’s EBT is remaining intact. It is being rolled under the umbrella of a multi-district trust. PUSD’s funds will be used to purchase/pay for benefits for PUSD employees. PUSD is a founding member of the Valley Schools Insurance Trust and the Valley Schools EBT. The Worker’s Comp and Liability pools have been saving the member districts (PUSD, Deer Valley and Paradise Valley ) on WC and Liability insurance coverage since its inception. As a founding member, even though we withdrew from the VSEBT a few years ago, upon the District’s return we will regain our Board seats on the VSEBT. The relationship will be governed by an Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA).
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QUIT LISTENING to the ANNIER's and Apache Moms of the world and read the true facts of all this.The more I read and learn about all of this, the more I like it and the more I get upset at people who are so just, well, sheeplike.
Peoria Unified School District 2009/2010 Employee Benefits
VSEBT Savings Options
This savings proposal from Valley Schools provides the option of taking advantage of our Employee Benefits Program. Peoria already currently takes advantage of both the Valley Schools Worker’s Compensation and Valley Schools Property Liability Trusts.
A simple Governing Board action is needed to participate in the Valley Schools Employee Benefits Trust for July 1, 2009.
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What is Valley Schools?
Valley Schools is a non-profit governmental entity created in 1986 through an Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) between Peoria Unified School District, Deer Valley Unified School District, and Paradise Valley Unified School District.
VSEBT Pledge
We work for you. We save you money, provide excellent services, and help your employees. We do not sell you services; we help you buy them at better rates through group purchasing.
How much does it cost to join VSEBT?
There is no additional cost to join the Valley Schools Employee Benefits Trust
Contract commitments?
You can terminate your membership at any time.
How secure is Valley Schools?
Peoria Unified School District has been a member since Valley Schools was formed in 1986. We are the only school district trust in Arizona regulated by the Arizona Department of Insurance (DOI). Our financials are reviewed monthly and all meetings are open to the public. Our accounting is prepared by an outside firm and audited by Heinfeld and Meech and by DOI.
Employee Benefit Trust Participants
30,000 participating EE/DEP
Deer Valley USD Paradise Valley USD Glendale ESD
Chandler USD Apache Junction USD Higley USD
Queen Creek USD Balsz ESD Marana USD (2009)
Scottsdale USD (2009) Fountain Hills USD (2009) Tolleson UHSD (2009)
Historical Average Renewal Rate Increases
2007 – 6%
2008 – 4%
2009 – 0%
Peoria EBT Board
Continue to operate as you currently do - plan design changes, HSA offerings
Peoria Trust Balance
The Trust Board keeps its current trust balance. Each school district funds are kept separately, just as Peoria currently experiences in both the Worker’s Compensation and Property Liability Trusts.
What action(s) are required of Peoria USD?
The PUSD Board simply needs to take an action to participate in the Valley Schools Employee Benefits Trust. This action should be taken 30 days prior to Open Enrollment meetings to insure a smooth transition for a July 1, 2009 effective date.
VSEBT Board Representation
As one of the founding members of Valley Schools, Peoria Unified School District will receive two permanent positions on the VSEBT Board.
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Option One – Keep Current BCBSAZ Network, TPA, and UR
Option Two – Change to UHC Network/Administration, UR
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I don't think so. He's probably at supper.
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I've been through this silence before. Get ready folks, because aynkm is about to blow a gasket and launch into a personal attack in a lame attempt to deflect from the issue: that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million to her political backers.
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Are you on the phone with Diane trying to figure a way out of the hole you've dug for yourself?
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Actually Annie you are incorrecto - this $20 million will be under the umbrella of the VSIT - it will in no way show up as a net income item. Does that make a bit of sense?
You're wrong about this, too. No matter how they decide -- they, not PUSD -- that money went straight to their back account and will most certainly show up as a net profit.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: AnneR wrote: It sure was funneled . . . all $20 million.
This is important - how was it "funnelled"? By agreeing to this deal, over $20 million, the EBT reserve, was handed over to VSIT and they can do whatever they want with it. The executive from VSIT now control every dime of that money, and even though this came from taxpayers in the PUSD, that money doesn't have to be used on behalf of PUSD. And the guys running VSIT just so happen to be Douglas's supporters.
The only one making leaps here is you, and they're right into the stupid bin.
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areyounotkidding me wrote:
Where else would the money go?
A balance sheet acoount called Reserves for Future Claims. Why in the hell do you think this EBT had $20 million sitting around. Come on Hockey Dad, use some logic....
Impossible. EBT was a separate health insurance plan, and $20 million + were its reserves. VSIT's insurance plan is through United Healthcare, and it has its own reserves, paid for by individual policy holder, not VSIT. VSIT is a third-party outfit that hooks up the insurance provider with the school district, and gets paid a portion of what the school district brings in.
Peoria taxpayer money will now go to whatever these gentlemen see fit. It's a clear giveaway of taxpayer dollars.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 02:18 am |
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AnneR wrote: It sure was funneled . . . all $20 million.
This is important - how was it "funnelled"?
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| Actually Annie you are incorrecto - this $20 million will be under the umbrella of the VSIT - it will in no way show up as a net income item. Does that make a bit of sense? Last edited on Thu Apr 30th, 2009 02:17 am by
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It sure was funneled . . . all $20 million.
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Annie "funnelling" $20 million into someone's bank account is not trivial if that would have happened here. It didn't...
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areyounotkidding me wrote:Have you looked at this site....my whole point.....if you're white and Republican and anybody......you belong to this little club.....have you looked at the number of candidates this coalition backed.....it appears they backed every Republican winner in Maricopa County...where is the leap of faith that somehow these VSIT executives gave any money to Douglas....Come on Folks, it's not that tough
Because it just so happens that the total amount donated by the VSIT guys donated to the Pachyderm coalition is the EXACT amount the Pachyderm coalition donated to Douglas's campaign. That's not coincidence.
Now answer my question:
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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Hockey Dad wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: Hockey Dad wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: Benefit how Hockey Dad - are they going to buy boats, cars, etc
You can't be serious, or are you? You don't think adding more than $20 million to a company's bottom line and bank account doesn't benefit the company, or the people who run it? They were just handed more than $20 million of our tax money to do as they please, and are not required to use this money to benefit PUSD, and you don't have an issue with this? Where have you been since October? This is typical of the stuff that took down our economy, albeit on a local level (because I notice you have a bad habit of skipping into hyperbole, I am not implying that this is at the same level, just to be clear). Frankly, I think you're being rather cavalier and defensive about this entire issue.
Actually, if you think this $20 million is just an addition to someone's bottom line, welcome to minionland, Hockey Dad. And if you think they can do anything they want with this, welcome to minionland stardom. Really, you think this is going to an addition to VSIT net income number???
Where else would the money go?
A balance sheet acoount called Reserves for Future Claims. Why in the hell do you think this EBT had $20 million sitting around. Come on Hockey Dad, use some logic....Last edited on Thu Apr 30th, 2009 02:10 am by
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AnneR wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: And how did you minions make the leap that because they all belonged to this club of Republican white guys that the contributions came from the VSIT anyway? You can't...
Because all the people running VSIT, like Dave Carpenter, Tom Boone and David Canteleme, are on the Pachyderm Coalition's membership and contributors list.
That's how.
Now answer my question:
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
Have you looked at this site....my whole point.....if you're white and Republican and anybody......you belong to this little club.....have you looked at the number of candidates this coalition backed.....it appears they backed every Republican winner in Maricopa County...where is the leap of faith that somehow these VSIT executives gave any money to Douglas....Come on Folks, it's not that tough
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Hockey Dad wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: Benefit how Hockey Dad - are they going to buy boats, cars, etc
You can't be serious, or are you? You don't think adding more than $20 million to a company's bottom line and bank account doesn't benefit the company, or the people who run it? They were just handed more than $20 million of our tax money to do as they please, and are not required to use this money to benefit PUSD, and you don't have an issue with this? Where have you been since October? This is typical of the stuff that took down our economy, albeit on a local level (because I notice you have a bad habit of skipping into hyperbole, I am not implying that this is at the same level, just to be clear). Frankly, I think you're being rather cavalier and defensive about this entire issue.
Actually, if you think this $20 million is just an addition to someone's bottom line, welcome to minionland, Hockey Dad. And if you think they can do anything they want with this, welcome to minionland stardom. Really, you think this is going to an addition to VSIT net income number???
Where else would the money go?
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areyounotkidding me wrote: How exactly are they "funnelling" any money to anyone?
As part of the deal with VSIT, PUSD was required to turn over every dime in its EBT reserve. That amounts to more than $20 million.
Now be a good boy and answer AnnieR's question: Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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Hockey Dad wrote: areyounotkidding me wrote: Benefit how Hockey Dad - are they going to buy boats, cars, etc
You can't be serious, or are you? You don't think adding more than $20 million to a company's bottom line and bank account doesn't benefit the company, or the people who run it? They were just handed more than $20 million of our tax money to do as they please, and are not required to use this money to benefit PUSD, and you don't have an issue with this? Where have you been since October? This is typical of the stuff that took down our economy, albeit on a local level (because I notice you have a bad habit of skipping into hyperbole, I am not implying that this is at the same level, just to be clear). Frankly, I think you're being rather cavalier and defensive about this entire issue.
Actually, if you think this $20 million is just an addition to someone's bottom line, welcome to minionland, Hockey Dad. And if you think they can do anything they want with this, welcome to minionland stardom. Really, you think this is going to an addition to VSIT net income number???
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areyounotkidding me wrote: And how did you minions make the leap that because they all belonged to this club of Republican white guys that the contributions came from the VSIT anyway? You can't...
Because all the people running VSIT, like Dave Carpenter, Tom Boone and David Canteleme, are on the Pachyderm Coalition's membership and contributors list.
That's how.
Now answer my question:
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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| Why Wet Willy that was not a compliment at all was it?
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Benefit how Hockey Dad - are they going to buy boats, cars, etc
You can't be serious, or are you? You don't think adding more than $20 million to a company's bottom line and bank account doesn't benefit the company, or the people who run it? They were just handed more than $20 million of our tax money to do as they please, and are not required to use this money to benefit PUSD, and you don't have an issue with this? Where have you been since October? This is typical of the stuff that took down our economy, albeit on a local level (because I notice you have a bad habit of skipping into hyperbole, I am not implying that this is at the same level, just to be clear). Frankly, I think you're being rather cavalier and defensive about this entire issue.
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| Obtuse??? I'm going to have look that up.....hold on with your sheepish questions.....
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| And how did you minions make the leap that because they all belonged to this club of Republican white guys that the contributions came from the VSIT anyway? You can't...
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| Asp, you must be obtuse.
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| How exactly are they "funnelling" any money to anyone?
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| Benefit how Hockey Dad - are they going to buy boats, cars, etc Last edited on Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:51 am by
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Here comes Apache Mom - she thought of something else. Hopefully it's not that list of facts again.....so stipulated.....1, 2,3,4 Apache Mom
You're own words came back to bite you. Too funny.
Now answer the question before the group: Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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Hockey Dad, your seat is behind home plate.
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Apache Mom wrote: Innuendo and rumor? Why, just a few posts ago you admitted these facts were not in dispute. According to you: "Apache Mom - it's okay.....every one of those items are facts. I will stipulate that."
You then went on to say Douglas never served as treasurer, but, in fact, she served as treasurer in 2004.
So here are the facts:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasure and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign. Here's a link, and go to page 6. While you're making your way there, count the number of non-district residents who also contributed to her campaign: http://156.42.40.50/CampFinDocs/pdf/2004_18891.pdf
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total amount the VSIT members donated.
Now answer the question before you: Since when did funneling $20 million in taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Hockey Dad wrote: Actually, she does seem to have you cornered. Frankly, I would be interested in having the question answered, too. That's an awful lot of money. Is there a reason you're won't answer it? Bye.
Let me explain it to you daddio, you see if I answered the question at all, I would be legitimizing their leap of logic that suddenly $20 million are going straight to the VSIT executives.....I'm a little bit too intelligent to take that leap....
First, there's no need to be disrespectful.
Second, my reading of this is that they now control over $20 million in PUSD taxpayer dollars, and that those dollars no longer have to be spent in PUSD's interest. In effect, the school board voted to award this company more than $20 million, and it stands to reason that the executives will benefit.
Am I in the ball park?
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| Here comes Apache Mom - she thought of something else. Hopefully it's not that list of facts again.....so stipulated.....1, 2,3,4 Apache Mom
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Innuendo and rumor? Why, just a few posts ago you admitted these facts were not in dispute. According to you: "Apache Mom - it's okay.....every one of those items are facts. I will stipulate that."
You then went on to say Douglas never served as treasurer, but, in fact, she served as treasurer in 2004.
So here are the facts:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasure and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign. Here's a link, and go to page 6. While you're making your way there, count the number of non-district residents who also contributed to her campaign: http://156.42.40.50/CampFinDocs/pdf/2004_18891.pdf
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total amount the VSIT members donated.
Now answer the question before you: Since when did funneling $20 million in taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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| Wet Willy joining the festivities. I'm sorry Willy, I never quite catch on to what you're trying to convey. Come again???
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Hockey Dad wrote: Actually, she does seem to have you cornered. Frankly, I would be interested in having the question answered, too. That's an awful lot of money. Is there a reason you're won't answer it? Bye.
Let me explain it to you daddio, you see if I answered the question at all, I would be legitimizing their leap of logic that suddenly $20 million are going straight to the VSIT executives.....I'm a little bit too intelligent to take that leap....
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| Maybe you could try altering the records. You may have better luck the second time and avoid the repercussions that happened the first time. Don't play dumb on this.
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Here's a question for you Annie and Apache Mommy??? When did it become a right of you minions to besmirch someone's good name with innuendo and rumor and leaps of logic that are frankly even hard to fathom anyone can be so stupid?
BTW - I love the word besmirch....it fits so well here....
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Actually, she does seem to have you cornered. Frankly, I would be interested in having the question answered, too. That's an awful lot of money. Is there a reason you're won't answer it? Bye.
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It's probably better than having you in the corner, since what you quoted came from Apache Mom and not me. Normally I wouldn't be so rude as to point out a mistake by another in public, but since you brought it up . . .
Now please answer my question:
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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| You have me on the ropes AnnieR, you've got me cornered, just go for that knockout punch....
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Apache Mom
How does it feel to have in your corner the renowned legal mind of AnnieR?
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Please answer my question.
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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AnneR wrote: You can't answer the question. You're cornered again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:20 am |
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Apache Mom wrote:
Try as you might, you cannot minimize the story these facts tell. And the story is this: this trail proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Diane Douglas is a liar and corrupt and that she her supporters' pockets with millions of taxpayer dollars.
Annie - did you run away and get your law degree when you went away to find yourself.....
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AnneR
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:19 am |
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I'm nothing of the kind. I just want you to answer my question:
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:18 am |
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And your pathetic little dance continues.
Turns out that when you line the pockets of your political supporters' with millions of dollars, the Attorney General's office finds facts like these very interesting:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasure and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign. Here's a link, and go to page 6. While you're making your way there, count the number of non-district residents who also contributed to her campaign: http://156.42.40.50/CampFinDocs/pdf/2004_18891.pdf
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total amount the VSIT members donated.
Try as you might, you cannot minimize the story these facts tell. And the story is this: this trail proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Diane Douglas is a liar and corrupt and that she her supporters' pockets with millions of taxpayer dollars.
Now answer the question: Since when did giving away more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:15 am |
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You can't answer the question. You're cornered again.
Fool.
Last edited on Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:17 am by AnneR
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:14 am |
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| Annie you are the very definition of the minions I talk about. You are head minion.....
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:11 am |
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You see or maybe you don't....this 1.25 mill is what the district is going to be paying out because of a silly error by an attorney...
That $20 million is going to be buying assets; airplanes and yachts for these VSIT executives.
Can't you see that?
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:06 am |
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No, thank you. I would just like a straight answer to a straight question:
Since when did funneling more than $20 million of taxpayer dollars to your political supporters, as Diane Douglas did, become "trivial?"
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