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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 07:51 pm

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No_mood wrote: Fact is, the information pipeline (nohoneymoon.blog) has gone away for the likes of Peoria Dad, Apache Mom and so many others on this website.

They no longer have anyone to quote, no website to cut and paste from. With any luck they will go away as well.

The sheep have lost their leader and know not what to do.....
Not true.

And I love how $20 million is "measly" while $1.5 million caused major fits.

And 420, you should care about all of this. Your tax money is being used to pay off Douglas's supporters

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Thanks for the comment, Wet Willy.....That comment was deserving of 4 Wet Willies!!!!

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The fact is a lot of us care. And if this had been the previous board and/or Erb, you would be screaming your head(s) off. The fact is you are a hypocrite and it is a travesty that you are working so hard to credit the outrageous actions of Douglas, Knect, and Murphy--and the inaction of the two newest board members.

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Apache Mom wrote: Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.         Who Cares?

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.    So What?

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.   Who Cares?

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.    So What?

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.   Who Cares?

When are you going to announce your candidancy for the School Board? Or are you one of the many on this blog that just likes to complain?

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But where did cult leader "Mike" and his disciple, "Frank", go? It is a mystery. And for both to go the same weekend. It is a double mystery. Sounds like someone somewhere was close to figuring them out. Maybe Mrs. Douglas? That would be rich, and deserving. Do I smell a lawsuit for libel? That would be double rich and double deserving.

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Fact is, the information pipeline (nohoneymoon.blog) has gone away for the likes of Peoria Dad, Apache Mom and so many others on this website.

They no longer have anyone to quote, no website to cut and paste from. With any luck they will go away as well.

The sheep have lost their leader and know not what to do.....

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Apache Mom wrote: Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.         Who Cares?

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.    So What?

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.   Who Cares?

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.    So What?

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.   Who Cares?

When are you going to announce your candidancy for the School Board? Or are you one of the many on this blog that just likes to complain?

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Apache Mom keeps posting useless information that no ones seems to care about, so I want to take this time to post some useful information for all...

As the summer swim season starts Memorial Day weekend, water quality and health experts have a message for swimmers: Please don't pee in the pool.

About one in five adults in a survey reported urinating in community pools.

Although urine in the water probably will not cause swimmers to go to the emergency room, it causes "more of a respiratory, ocular irritation: the red puffy eyes or a cough, an itchy throat," said Michele Hlavsa, an epidemiologist in the division of parasitic diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."A big health message is not to urinate or pee in the water."

And it happens far more frequently than water-lovers would like to think.

In a survey of 1,000 U.S. adults conducted in April and May, 17 percent admitted relieving themselves in a swimming pool. Even the Olympics' most decorated swimmer, Michael Phelps, confessed to urinating in the water to TV host Jimmy Kimmel. In a 2008 interview, Kimmel asked the 14-gold medal winner, "You pee in the pool, true?"

"Yeah," Phelps replied.

"Which nationality pees in the pool the most?" Kimmel asked.

"Probably Americans," Phelps said.

"Oh, so we're number one in that too," Kimmel quipped.

Pool Etiquette

Don't swim when you have diarrhea
Avoid swallowing pool water
Shower before swimming
Wash your hands after using toilet or changing diapers
Take children on bathroom breaks or check diapers often
Change diapers in bathroom and not at poolside

Source: CDC Sometimes, an indoor swimming pool will emit a strong chemical smell. The swimmers have coughs or red, stinging eyes after emerging from the pool. Usually those symptoms get dismissed as the effects of chlorine, but their causes are something more organic.

When swimmers sweat or urinate in the pool water, the bodily fluids combine with the chlorine. It creates chloramines, which causes the strange odor and the eye and respiratory irritations for swimmers, according to the CDC.

No matter how discreet the act may be, "you're contaminating the pool. Let's face it," said Linda Golodner, the vice chairwoman of the Water Quality and Health Council.

The survey released by Golodner's group, which advises the American Chemistry Council, found that 11 percent of the surveyed adults said they have swum with a runny nose, 7 percent with an exposed rash or cut and 1 percent when ill with diarrhea. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

The most common recreational water illness is spread through diarrhea. One of the most persistent problems is Cryptosporidium, a parasite that causes diarrhea and can be found in infected stools.

"With Crypto, if you have diarrhea, it's very watery," Hlavsa said. "It's not a formed stool sitting in the pool or floating on top. It could be very watery, and no one [in a pool] would know."

During the past two decades, Crypto has become one of the most common causes of waterborne illness.

Unlike E. coli and salmonella, Crypto can resist chlorine. In 2007, the parasite sickened more than 1,200 people who had visited recreational water facilities in Utah.

According to the CDC, if someone swallows water that has been contaminated with feces, he or she may become sick even if very little water is consumed.

The agency also recommends that people shower before a swim, because most people have traces of feces on their bottoms, which can contaminate recreational water. In the Water Quality survey, 35 percent reported skipping a shower before swimming.

Health Library

MayoClinic.com: Avoid health risks with kids swimming

Recreational water illnesses have been on the rise for the past two decades, according to the CDC. From 2005 to 2006, the agency reported 78 outbreaks of recreational water illnesses associated with swimming pools, water parks, hot tubs, lakes, rivers and oceans that affected 4,412 people and resulted in 116 hospitalizations and five deaths.

Melanie Arthur, a mother of two in The Woodlands, Texas, maintains a swimming pool where her children play.

"We are going to great lengths to train our 3-year-old to not go potty in the pool but to get out and go inside the house," Arthur said. "After maintaining our own pool, I hesitate to go to public pools. I am certain that they are not nearly as clean as my own."

Just practice good hygiene when going for a swim, Hlavsa advised.

"It's all about balancing risks," she said. "We think swimming is a great way to be physically active with family and friends." Check the CDC Web site for more on healthy swimming

And remember, if you pee in the pool, you have to swim in it, too.

Here are tips to make sure the pool is clean:

• Look at the pool to see whether it's clean and clear, and the drain is visible.

• Listen for pool equipment, because the pool pumps and filters should make noise.

• Feel the tiles and pool sides. They should not be sticky or slippery.

• Beware of a strong chemical odor. A well-chlorinated pool has little odor.

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Actually, High School Mom is who she says she is......

And, she is wrong on who she says you are......nice try, Compadre, but it didn't work with me......

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High School Mom wrote: Not only did Apache Mom's meds wear off, she's also talking to herself again when she says, "No one cares what you think because your opinion doesn't count."

By the way, A.M., I have watched the podcasts and I know exactly who you are. Not that I really care, but I wanted to let you know that I'm not fat and lazy -- I've done my homework. You, Apache Mom, are a cold-hearted, mean-spirited (fill in the blank).

No, actually, I was speaking directly to you. So let me repeat the point so you completely understand: you don't count.

So now that you know who I am -- something I have never hidden, and yet another in a long line of things you have been wrong about -- how about letting us know who you are. Or, are you a hypocrite?

I'm betting on hypocrite.

And I'm doing this just to annoy you:

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

Last edited on Fri May 22nd, 2009 09:30 pm by Apache Mom

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June I live next to Nada

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HSM, (and AYNKM, for that matter) if you are so sure you know who Apache Mom is, why not enlighten the rest of us - and while you're at it, tell us who you are as well? It always seems to me that the people who want others to reveal their identity are the last ones to admit their own.

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Not only did Apache Mom's meds wear off, she's also talking to herself again when she says, "No one cares what you think because your opinion doesn't count."

By the way, A.M., I have watched the podcasts and I know exactly who you are.   Not that I really care, but I wanted to let you know that I'm not fat and lazy -- I've done my homework.   You, Apache Mom, are a cold-hearted, mean-spirited (fill in the blank).

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Oh no, her drugs wore off.

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Thanks, Mom, for demonstrating what a pompous ass you truly are.

And I'm not the one who is hiding. I have spoken publicly over a dozen times, and on this thread alone I told you at least two subjects that I addressed. If you weren't so fat and lazy, you would know who I am by now.

You, on the other hand, can't even practice what you preach. Worse than pompous, you're a complete hypocrite. No doubt you're the one who yells the loudest about what needs to be done, but when it comes time to do the work, you're no where to be seen.

No one cares what you think because your opinion doesn't count.

Quidquid latine dictumsit, altum videtur.

Fac ut vivas.

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High School Mom wrote: This thread may be "toast" -- I agree we diverted from original intent of "grown-up discussion." Obviously Apache Mom has a vendetta against Mrs. Douglas and she will not let it go (hmmmmm.... this seems way too personal- perhaps Apache Mom needs to get busy and start campaigning for the next election -- rather than complain on this blog, put your words into action. Unfortunately, for you, "MOM", that means you need to come out, come out, wherever you are (your safe hiding place in "Newszap.com"). You have so many criticismis as to what's wrong in the PUSD [and-presumably - have your own solutions for "fix-its") - why not step forward and put your name on the ballot??

Dana, PUSD Teacher, AnneR, et al., appear to be hateful beyond words, which is why I opted to stay off this particular blog for the past few days [and - once and for all -- I am NOT [no kidding] AYNKM)- the venom they (all of them, collectively) spread and spew is more than I can deal with right now. I was hoping to have a "grown-up" conversation on this forum, but once I received the hateful comments, I opted to crawl back under my rock. If, indeed, PUSD TEACHER is truly (really and truly) a TEACHER in the PUSD, then (as I've said numerous times before) our school district has much more to worry about than the health benefits program and a measley $20 M (not that I believe any of that garbage posted by Apache in the first place). "PUSD TEACHER" is a disgrace to the profession, and I - for one - am horrified to think he/she is actually employed by the PUSD.

Well said, I couldn't agree with you more.

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This thread may be "toast" -- I agree we diverted from original intent of "grown-up discussion." Obviously Apache Mom has a vendetta against Mrs. Douglas and she will not let it go (hmmmmm.... this seems way too personal- perhaps Apache Mom needs to get busy and start campaigning for the next election -- rather than complain on this blog, put your words into action. Unfortunately, for you, "MOM", that means you need to come out, come out, wherever you are (your safe hiding place in "Newszap.com"). You have so many criticismis as to what's wrong in the PUSD [and-presumably - have your own solutions for "fix-its") - why not step forward and put your name on the ballot??

Dana, PUSD Teacher, AnneR, et al., appear to be hateful beyond words, which is why I opted to stay off this particular blog for the past few days [and - once and for all -- I am NOT [no kidding] AYNKM)- the venom they (all of them, collectively) spread and spew is more than I can deal with right now. I was hoping to have a "grown-up" conversation on this forum, but once I received the hateful comments, I opted to crawl back under my rock. If, indeed, PUSD TEACHER is truly (really and truly) a TEACHER in the PUSD, then (as I've said numerous times before) our school district has much more to worry about than the health benefits program and a measley $20 M (not that I believe any of that garbage posted by Apache in the first place). "PUSD TEACHER" is a disgrace to the profession, and I - for one - am horrified to think he/she is actually employed by the PUSD.

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This thread appears to be toast. I wanted to thank you for your cerebral contributions. Your input was truly invaluable. And to top it all off with such a humorous joke......thank you so much.....

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cheerleaderforclosers wrote: And this was supposed to be funny, is that correct?
Not nearly as funny as 5 "grown adults" whining and crying about a measly $20 million.

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And this was supposed to be funny, is that correct?

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Since no one is interested in this topic except for five people with too much time on their hands......let's turn this into something more worth while.....

The teacher gave her fifth-grade class an assignment.
Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral in it.
Next day, Kathy said, "My father's a farmer, and we have a lot of
egg-laying hens. One time we were taking eggs to market in a box on the
front seat of the truck, when we hit a bump and a lot of them broke and made a mess."
"So, what's the moral of the story," asked the teacher.
"Don't put all your eggs in one basket."

Another child, Lucy, told her story.
"Our family are farmers too. But we raise chickens for the meat market.
We had 16 eggs one time, but when they hatched, we only got 10 live chicks.
And the moral to this story is: don't count your chickens until they hatch."
"That was fine," said the teacher.

"Now, Johnny, do you have a story too?"
"Yes, ma'am. My daddy told me about my Aunt Karen.
She was a flight engineer in Desert Storm in Iraq--and her plane got hit.
She had to bail out over enemy territory. All she had was a bottle of whiskey,
a machine gun, and a machete. She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break.
Then she landed in the middle of 100 enemy troops.
She killed 70 with the machine gun until she ran out of bullets.
She hacked 20 more with the machete until the blade broke.
And she killed the last 10 with her bare hands."
"Good heavens!" exclaimed the horrified teacher. "What kind of moral did
your daddy tell you was in this terrible story?"
"Don't f*** with Aunt Karen when she's been drinking."

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Thanks for helping me keep up. I'm in the hospital for what my real husband calls "chick stuff. " I'm done and will actually be out of here in an hour.

And you know what, I'm willing to bet that in person you probably are a decent person, but your online persona, and those of your personalities, lean heavily past jerk. You did a lot of complaining about the tone of the Erickson blog, yet your tone, and subsequently mine, is just as bad. I had actually hoped at the start of this to really hold a "conversation for grownups." But, alas, it wasn't to be.

Now, let's discuss: Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Apache Mom wrote: Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Well, because you're unable to keep up with the conversation, I'll just have the nurse copy and paste for me.

Thank you, though, for your earlier post. Now you have, for the third or fourth time today, proven and admitted that you are a liar.

In doing so, you have confirmed you have zero credibility. You're irrationale, lacking in facts, and have failed to make a prima facia case in support of your corrupt idol Diane Douglas. That's on top of the fact that you post under a thousand different names and have conversations with yourself online. So, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil. My compadre is in the hospital. I don't think it's anything serious, just needed to get away from hubby Peoria Dad for a couple days. I can totally relate to that. Anyway, I know it was very important that this post be on top today, so please no posting on top of this as a tribute to my compadre....

And Peoria Dad, visit your wife IN THE HOSPITAL TODAY.....Sheesh and go to Fry's and pick up a $10 bouquet of flowers, tightass!!! Sometimes my gender is a total embarrassment.....

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Good morning Compadre......I hope you had a restful night in the hospital......

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See I'm up keeping my compadre company in the hospital. I am such a nice person!!!

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I bet the nurse is telling you to put that laptop away and get some rest, isn't she?

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So why are you in the hospital? Peoria Dad driving you nuts?

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areyounotkidding me wrote: Apache Mom wrote: And, really, is this the best you can do? Bringing up old stuff that's already been dismissed as just another attempt by you to district from the subject? Please tell me you have more than that to go on.

A FEW GOOD MEN - HOLD ON I'LL BE RIGHT BACK....

Peoria Dad, we live in a district that has its share of idiots and liars, and those idiots and liars have to be guarded against by men with keyboards. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Peoria daddy? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the change in insurance, and you curse the board members. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know (obviously). That the change in insurance, while tragic to some, probably saved money. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves money. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you know your argument is a paper tiger, you want me on that forum, you need me on that forum. We use words like cult, sheep, lunatics. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to idiots who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a d**n what you think you are entitled to.

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Don't you think a thousand is an exaggeration?

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Well, because you're unable to keep up with the conversation, I'll just have the nurse copy and paste for me.

Thank you, though, for your earlier post. Now you have, for the third or fourth time today, proven and admitted that you are a liar.

In doing so, you have confirmed you have zero credibility. You're irrationale, lacking in facts, and have failed to make a prima facia case in support of your corrupt idol Diane Douglas. That's on top of the fact that you post under a thousand different names and have conversations with yourself online. So, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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did you crack a smile at all at that one, Compadrecita?

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

You're projecting again aynkm. Do you have proof? Please provide it.

BTW, can you prove I did not speak to Mr. Highlen? No, you cannot. Since hou allegedly wathed the podcasts, you now know who I am. Why don't you just call or email Mr. Highlen and ask if we have spoken. I suspect you won't because you already know what the answer is, and you don't like it.

And, really, is this the best you can do? Bringing up old stuff that's already been dismissed as just another attempt by you to district from the subject? Please tell me you have more than that to go on.

Thank you, though, for your earlier post. Now you have, for the third or fourth time today, proven and admitted that you are a liar.

In doing so, you have confirmed you have zero credibility. You're irrationale, lacking in facts, and have failed to make a prima facia case in support of your corrupt idol Diane Douglas. That's on top of the fact that you post under a thousand different names and have conversations with yourself online. So, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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Apache Mom wrote: And, really, is this the best you can do? Bringing up old stuff that's already been dismissed as just another attempt by you to district from the subject? Please tell me you have more than that to go on.

A FEW GOOD MEN - HOLD ON I'LL BE RIGHT BACK....

Peoria Dad, we live in a district that has its share of idiots and liars, and those idiots and liars have to be guarded against by men with keyboards. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Peoria daddy? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the change in insurance, and you curse the board members. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know (obviously). That the change in insurance, while tragic to some, probably saved money. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves money. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you know your argument is a paper tiger, you want me on that forum, you need me on that forum. We use words like cult, sheep, lunatics. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to idiots who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a d**n what you think you are entitled to.

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Try speaking in complete sentences.

Can you prove I did not speak to Mr. Highlen? No, you cannot. Since you allegedly watched the podcasts, you now know who I am. Why don't you just call or email Mr. Highlen and ask if we have spoken. I suspect you won't because you already know what the answer is, and you don't like it.

And, really, is this the best you can do? Bringing up old stuff that's already been dismissed as just another attempt by you to district from the subject? Please tell me you have more than that to go on.

Thank you, though, for your earlier post. Now you have, for the third or fourth time today, proven and admitted that you are a liar.

In doing so, you have confirmed you have zero credibility. You're irrationale, lacking in facts, and have failed to make a prima facia case in support of your corrupt idol Diane Douglas. That's on top of the fact that you post under a thousand different names and have conversations with yourself online. So, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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It really brought home that YOU will lie and not blink twice..SORRY I'M GETTING SLEEPY....

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Can you prove I did not speak to Mr. Highlen? No, you cannot. Since hou allegedly wathed the podcasts, you now know who I am. Why don't you just call or email Mr. Highlen and ask if we have spoken. I suspect you won't because you already know what the answer is, and you don't like it.

And, really, is this the best you can do? Bringing up old stuff that's already been dismissed as just another attempt by you to district from the subject? Please tell me you have more than that to go on.

Thank you, though, for your earlier post. Now you have, for the third or fourth time today, proven and admitted that you are a liar.

In doing so, you have confirmed you have zero credibility. You're irrationale, lacking in facts, and have failed to make a prima facia case in support of your corrupt idol Diane Douglas. That's on top of the fact that you post under a thousand different names and have conversations with yourself online. So, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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I always show you when you lie, you just accuse me. i don't think that's fair. Remember that Highlen lie - that was a whopper, huh?

Sorry, good hashish.....you getting any good drugs in the hospital, there Compadre?

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Thank you. Now you have, for the third or fourth time today, proven and admitted that you are a liar.

In doing so, you have confirmed you have zero credibility. You're irrationale, lacking in facts, and have failed to make a prima facia case in support of your corrupt idol Diane Douglas. That's on top of the fact that you post under a thousand different names and have conversations with yourself online. So, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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You think this is torture for me Mommy? I live in a bus down by the river, so this is enjoyment......

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I think I was consistent there.....I stipulated there both times your five harmless statements were correct.....but so what????

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Stay on this forum and torture you.

What are you going to do when the override fails?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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What are you going to do without Mikey in your life?

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Do you really want me to quote your post where you "stipulated" the facts I posted were true? Which one would you like me to quote? The original from a week or two back, or the two from today?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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What do you think, Compadrecita?
Go ahead weigh in, Nada en particular correct?

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Now that's a lie, Mom, and you know it, hold on just a second....

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

The only liar here is you. In fact, we both know that there is noting in my post that you can point to as a lie. After all, you're the one who said my facts were the truth.

Now are you ready to hold an actual grownup discussion, or should I just call the nurse to paste this stuff so I can get some sleep and annoy you at the same time?

Here's a staring point: both the Deer Valley and Paradise Valley trusts are down to almost zero. How long do you think it will take for Peoria's to get there?

Now, a reminder of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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What do you think, Compadrecita?

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Nada

do you and i ever talk???

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What else can we really say, though, you know, other than you lie like a rug.....

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Like I said, I could care less who you are. This isn't about Mary, this isn't about the override. If you want to discuss those things, start new threads. Or better yet, call Mary. I'm sure she's in the phone book.

The only discussion we will have is about the issue at hand, and it is the only one I will respond to (but, just to annoy you, I'll continue the copy and paste my earlier points. Hell, I get one of the nurses to do it for me).

Now, a reminder of the things that happened to you today:

You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.

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Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 07:28 am

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Do you think Nada

has me pegged, Mommy?

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