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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 03:48 am |
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Blah, blah, blah. You have no rebuttal and you know. I do hope you quit for a while - talking to you is like talking to a block wall, only more boring. You and your band of bullies would have been outraged at these political shenigans from Erb and the previous board -- absolutely outraged. In fact, you were outraged at what ever little issue you could manipulate, lie about and spew your twisted stories about. What happened to your cry for transparency? How many times have we heard from you about the good old boys, in the back pockets, rubber stamp, etc., etc. You didn't have any facts then, and it didn't matter to you. But now that a group of concerned folks in this district can point to some true facts about Diane, Rick, and Kathy, you try to make it a joke. Well it is a joke, a joke on the taxpayers, students, and employees of this district. You should be ashamed, but then that would require a conscience, which you obviously don't have. You must be getting something out of this too, or you wouldn't be working so hard to protect your corrupt friends and these corrupt political paybacks being played out with our tax dollars.
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I was going to light in to Wet Willy (not germane to anything WILLY WET) here, but, frankly, I'm tired of rehashing this all and I think I need an extended break from this BS and some of you will be glad to know I ain't coming back for a while. I think I gave Apache Mom enough to think about for a while....
I will be awaiting DD's perp walk on the telly.........It won't happen of course, but that would be national news, wouldn't it??? With all of these school districts in VSIT (why is that that are so many in this???), I would imagine the ripple effect of all these conservative members who received money from this Pachiderm Coalition would be amazing. Instead of rounding up illegal immigrants, Sheriff Joe's next endeavor will be rounding up these Republican criminals that volunteer untold hours for the communities serving as board members.....Your crime sir. #1 You're Republican #2 You belong to a very conservative group along with probably 98% of the conservatives in this county and we know you're a member, don't deny it #3 They gave you money and it doesn't matter that's the purpose of this bunch of exceedingly white guys club - to help these people be elected to office to promote their political views. Guilty!!!!!
Makes sense to me....Apache Mommy seems to be pretty sure this is going to happen alrighteeeeee then, Mommy....BYE
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| Well here we go again. Same lack of substance, just a different blog. You want to accuse us of not having evidence as you blithely throw out your own prejudices, innuendoes and illogical assumptions. You have yet to answer any questions posed to you. Please provide anything, and I do mean anything, that would prove that Erb and the previous attorney were "close friends". He doesn't have even remotely the same ties with past attorneys that your dear friends Diane and Rick have with Cantelme. Not even close--and certainly not a pecuniary one. You want to completely ignore Diane's role in the Nobel debacle, while continuing to dredge up Raeder, along with completely ignoring Cantelme's role in misrepresenting the options available to the board. This was a settlement that may have never had to be made--at Cantelme's recommendation! And frankly, the Challenger thing was settled by the Diane and Rick regime, in meetings conducted at the Village Inn. Please, this was observed by any number of people on any number of occasions. Challenger got away without honoring their debt to the district because of Rick and Diane and their relationship with the Kelleys and Lisa Atkins. Please don't tell us that you are not aware of Mary Lynn Kelley or Lisa (more republicans, I might add) - you are just showing your outrageous efforts to conceal the truth about these issues. The very thing you accuse Apache Mom of, aykme, epitomize you -you are a master of deceit.
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Apache Mom – Thank you for that courteous reply. Now that’s the way this forum should function: Two people going toe to toe on the issues and not having eight and nine posters surrounding me and bullying me. Did you know I couldn’t sleep that night you all jumped on me? It was very intimidating. So, again, I thank you for that civilized reply and hopefully you’ve all learned your lesson from that deserved rebuke from Newszap.
It appears you had some late night consultation with your neighbor and idol, Mr. Erickson. As his custom and you, of course, are quick to copy, at first glance it appears you know what you’re talking about until you really start delving into the details of what you’re saying.
First of all, if I may be so presumptuous as to suggest something to you when trying to hammer home a point, but you and Michael are very good about presenting hearsay evidence. Do you understand what hearsay is Apache Mom? Let me give you an example that will drive this home.
If you remember the Nobel lease and perhaps I should tell the whole story in case people reading don’t know what I’m talking about. I’ll keep it short, I promise. There was some overcrowding at Sunrise Mountain and PUSD went out and leased some space from this Nobel. When PUSD no longer needed the space, they terminated the lease, but due to improper wording in the contract and, although I was not on the inside, it appears the PUSD attorney blew it. This attorney just happen to be a very close friend of Jack Erb, but is that really germane to what I’m talking about here? I think not.
Anyway, the issue then became should the district settle or should the district go to court. An attorney hired by PUSD to look into the issue then recommended that the district settle as it was a winner take- all situation. So, it was either the district pays nothing if they win or they will pay $2.785 million if they lose. The district very wisely decided to settle for $1.25 million. I will add this was a unanimous decision of the board and even my friend Mrs. Raeder voted yes on this. Whenever, I mention Mr. Raeder, I usually like to make some wisecrack about how she was here throughout many of the recent troubles in the district like the Joice fiasco, the Challenger fiasco in which she served on both boards for a time (was that a conflict of interest) and now this Nobel lease fiasco, but you know what I’m not going to start this up….you know why, it’s not germane.
This is where you and Mr. Erickson come into play. I was reading Mr. Erickson’s blog as I have admitted I often do and I noticed this on his blog.
If you will note, this is not hearsay evidence, you can examine a third-party document and examine it for yourself. You don’t have to rely on what I’m throwing out here, you can say to yourself, yeah that’s true.
Who Are They Trying to Kid?
I’ll say this for Kathy Knecht, Rick Murphy and Diane Douglas: they all think we’re stupid.
During a discussion at the Aug. 12 school board meeting, all three took shots at the former school board for its unanimous approval of a rental contract to ease overcrowding at Sunrise Mountain High School. We’ve come to expect that of Murphy, of course, because that’s the sole reason he ran for the school board. Douglas, naturally, forgot to remind everyone that she was one of five board members who voted to cancel the contract in the first place.
The worst of them, though, was Knecht, who indignantly waxed: “It is indeed a sickening compromise that we have to make, because of the dollars that come out of our classrooms, (which benefit) our kids. The only thing I can think of that would be worse than that would be having to take even more from them.”
Who does she think she’s kidding? Not a penny of that settlement will come at the come from the classroom or any other part of the school district’s maintenance and operations budget. I will come from the district’s insurance carrier.
So that leaves Knecht with one of two explanations: she was either lying, or she didn’t know. Either way, Knecht stuck her foot in her mouth . . . again.
Posted by Michael Erickson at 5:23 PM 3 comments Links to this post [/url][url=http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=37647023&postID=1339414662895089635]
Labels: Diane Douglas, Kathy Knecht, Peoria Unified School District, Rick Murphy
At this point, Apache Mom, something was sour IN PUSD, if you know what I mean and I believe you do. I remember asking the question why was the board talking about the settlement and how they were going to pay for this, etc. if the insurance company was going to pay this? It made no sense to me So, I began investigating and I wrote to his blogness and of course he didn’t respond because he doesn’t like to respond to people disagreeing with him, only people who sing his praises. So I started writing to Frankie’s blog and to his credit, he posted my questions as I believe I was Tractor Pull Guy at this point and I asked Erickson through Frankie why he didn’t answer my question: if insurance was paying why was there talk of a settlement?
This is where Apache Mom came in to play with this on Newsap:
Apache Mom wrote: Oh, I get it. We're supposed to take you at your word. Again, do you have any proof? The answer is, no, you don't. You're a liar, and we all know it.
And, to answer another of your inane questions: yes, PUSD is self-insured, but like all self-insured agencies carries and pays for liablity insurance from an independent provider. The very reason for carrying this insurance is, in fact, to pay off law suits.
This information comes straight from the district administrator in charge of insurance.
I suggest in the future you pick up a phone and gather a little information before making a fool of yourself again.
I'd comment on your credibility, but you can't comment on something that doesn't exist.
At this point, another hearsay situation, wouldn’t you agree Apache Mommy? There was absolutely nowhere to confirm this, I would have to rely on what Apache Mommy just told me. So, as I often do, I investigated and I emailed Mr. Highlen, who I believe you will stipulate is the district administrator in charge of insurance and this is both my email and the email Mr. Highlen responded with:
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Steve Highlen <SHighlen@peoriaud.k12.az.us>
To: Rocky Calavito <areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:43:16 PM
Subject: RE: Nobel lease
Most likely funds will come from M&O.
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From: Rocky Calavito [mailto:areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:50 AM
To: Steve Highlen
Subject: Re: Nobel lease
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From: Steve Highlen <SHighlen@peoriaud.k12.az.us>
To: Rocky Calavito <areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:47:42 AM
Subject: RE: Nobel lease
Thank you for the communication. The Nobel lease cost is not covered by insurance.
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From: Rocky Calavito [mailto:areyounotkiddingme@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:41 PM
Cc: Dana Orta ; Steve Highlen
Subject: Nobel lease
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Again, this is not hearsay evidence at all. This comes from an independent third party and you can get your hands around it. This is why hearsay evidence is not admitted in court. You see, if I would have stopped and said, APACHE Mom said it was true, it must be true, I would not have gotten to the fact that you were fibbing (I think that’s fair to say based on the evidence) and perhaps Apache Mommy’s word is not real credible at this point.
Even after all of this in which I m sure Erickson was aware I was questioning all of this, Erickson later came up with this post:
Again, Apache Mommy, this is not hearsay evidence:
One More Thing
I have closely examined all of the Peoria Unified School District’s financial reports over the last few months, paying particular attention to the checks that have been issued, and to whom. Turns out that not a single check has been issued to Nobel, the company that successfully sued the school district over a rental agreement. Not a single one. So, where is the money coming from to pay for this settlement? Could it be from the liability insurance carrier the district pays just in case they get sued and lose?
Hmmmmmmmm . . .
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Labels: Nobel, Peoria Unified School District
Which I responded with:
I'm not going to say it - you say it....Let's get Mikey, he says anything......
One More Thing
I have closely examined all of the Peoria Unified School District’s financial reports over the last few months, paying particular attention to the checks that have been issued, and to whom. Turns out that not a single check has been issued to Nobel, the company that successfully sued the school district over a rental agreement. Not a single one. So, where is the money coming from to pay for this settlement? Could it be from the liability insurance carrier the district pays just in case they get sued and lose?
Hmmmmmmmm . . .
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Hey Mikey!!!
Mikey just isn't going to quit stumbling over himself on this Nobel thing, is he? You see he hasn't found any payments yet because the first one is not due until July 18, 2009. Do you think it was structured this way because the fiscal year end is June 30.....Hmmmmmm.... Look it up....HMMMMMMM.
Mr. Cantelme outlined the specifics of the settlement proposal, which include four payments, the first for $500,000 due on or before July 18, 2009. The final three payments of $250,000 each would be payable on July 18 each year with the final payment on July 18, 2012.
So that leaves Mikey with one of two explanations: he was either lying, or he didn’t know. Either way, Mikey stuck his foot in his mouth . . . again. End of Ercikson….
So, to make a long story short here, I think I’ve given a very concrete example about how just taking a person’s word on anything is very dangerous and taking a person’s word when they have shown to be liars is twice as bad. And Apache Mom - you are a documented liar and that's just a fact of life.
So let’s examine your little Gettysberg address you're so proud of shall we Apache Mom:
While it says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VIST. PUSD has NO say in how they are used or what they are used for. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VIST. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Response: Again, Apache Mom, not a link anywhere where I confirm this or what is it – hearsay, very good. But, let’s investigate this a bit. I was wondering when one of you was going to figure out that yes, VSIT is paid through interest from the reserve and I say so what? Of course they are going to be paid for services, you really don’t expect them to do for nothing, or do you? As far as the reserves are controlled by VSIT, where is your evidence??? Again, what have you provided – very good, hearsay….. What I have provided you from the district office states the reserves are intact, nothing changes, so where you keep coming up with unsubstantiated contention doesn’t really matter, does it? Why, because it’s hearsay, very good.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
Response: This is a typical Erickson statement and I’ve heard this so many times it makes me throw up. You know this is complete bulls**t as you have no idea why costs skyrocketed and you really don’t know this was inferior health coverage at all do you and if this truly happened at PVSD, it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen in this case just like no one really knows for sure. Insurance is never a sure thing is it Apache Mom because no one really knows what’s going to happen in the future. With all the money the govt is printing, inflation could rise to 15% and you'll be first in line to blame Diane Dougas that the insurance went up a like amount. Care to bet on that one? I think not......Actuarial people who know a lot more about this than you have a pretty good idea, but there is no sure thing because there are so many variables in this. But this is just a red herring and bulls**t.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
Response: You’re quoting a blogger (and Wet Willy at that???) as some type of evidence to support this? I don’t think this even qualifies as hearsay. What facts? Come on Apache Mom, you can do better, I know you can.
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school district be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. Don't you find that strange?
Response: Again, hearsay, hearsay, hearsay, bulls**t…….I can’t even comment because I have no idea if this is even close to the truth. I find it strange that a blogger (and there is no doubt you were spoonfed this whole thing) throws things like this out and a bunch of sheep will be running off the cliff quoting it and they don’t even know what it means…
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. Does this seem remotely right to you?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member on Thursday, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like you who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like you who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
Response: Sorry, I have to run to a tractor pull this afternoon and this crap is so monotonous, but Apache Mom, wow, come on, not one independent source in this whole diatribe. I’ve kind of learned this about you and Mr. Erickson – that the truth is not important if it sounds good and incriminating, what do a few facts and backup for those statements have to do with anything? Is this what you’re taking to the AG? You’re going to get laughed out of his office, but good luck with it, Mommy. And come back with some evidence (as I did) to back up this crap and we’ll talk.
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Cousin It?
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They stepped in because three of us asked them to. We even had our thread mocking you taken down.
Now to business: the devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While it says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how they are used or what they are used for. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school district be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. Don't you find that strange?
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. Does this seem remotely right to you?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member on Thursday, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like you who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and your ability to take part in an adult conversation is questionable at best. I kept myself mostly in check here as a courtesy . . . well, that's not true. I did it to prove you wrong and to show how corrupt Diane Douglas is...again. And now that we've called your bluff, it will be the last time.Last edited on Sat May 2nd, 2009 06:51 pm by Apache Mom
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Wow, I was wondering if Newszap was going to step in. That was getting out of control. They were really starting to get personal with me and it was really hurting my feelings.... I really should be able to express my point of view even if it happens to differ with what you believe.....Thank you Newszap!
Now, let's stick to the issues here, folks, PLEASE. The issue is that it has been bantered about that PUSD will be forced to "hand over" $20 million to VSIT of the trust's reserves. And, in a leap of logic, there was a conflict of interest involved because of a $500 campaign contribution received by Diane Douglas in her 2004 run for for the school district. This contribution was paid by a conservative Republican coalition called the Pachiderm Coalition. What is alleged now is that Diane Douglas has a conflict of interest by voting for this latest insurance change on the grounds that she is essentially handing over $20 million of PUSD money to her political friends.
Here is my take on this whole thing. I invite anyone to provide evidence to refute what I say as this informed give and take is what makes America great!!!
1. There was no handing over the $20 million dollars to the VSIT at all. In the link in provided, it states clearly PUSD remains in control of this $20 million. It has been alleged that the evidence provided by me was changed at a later time and the agenda of the PUSD Governing Board packet was changed. I have actually provided this link for everyone's review and this indeed was not the case. The document in question states and I quote, "
The Trust Board keeps its current trust balance. Each school district funds are kept separately, just as Peoria currently experiences in both the Worker’s Compensation and Property Liability Trusts.
It really can't be spelled out any clearer than this, can it? This is all from PUSD's website. I invite any serious and educated responses to my assertion.
Refer to Page 7 of 150
http://portal.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Governing%20Board/Document%20Library/2009/Board%20Mtg%20Information%20Packets/April%2014,%202009%20-%20Board%20Mtg%20Info%20Pkt%20-%20LARGE%20FILE%20-%20150%20PGS.pdf
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