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I'm still allowed to converse with Nada, correct?

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areyounotkidding me wrote: Wow, that seems a bit harsh, Neighbor.....when did you catch on that it was me on here....what was the tipoff?
Well, the truth sometimes hurts.  I know it's you because you repeat your garbage at PTSA  meetings, neigborhood gatherings, at the grocery store . . . and you use the exact same wording as you do here.

Now stop asking stupid questions and address the facts Apache Mom has brought up.
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Okay Mommy, I didn't know that's what we're doing, but okay, let's see who blinks here....Now about Mary, how long have you known her?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

B-u-l-l-s-h-i-t! You can't stand not getting the last word in.  I got news for you aynkm, since I don't have to be anywhere but for a couple of hours later on, I'll stay up all night to make sure that doesn't happen.  You should be alert for work tomorrow.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Wow, that seems a bit harsh, Neighbor.....when did you catch on that it was me on here....what was the tipoff?
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I just couldn't sleep and I missed you Compadre...
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areyounotkidding me wrote: What do you think neighbor, do I look good tonight or what????
You look like you always do: a half-step removed from poor white trash (I stole that line, but it does fit the occasion).
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Since I don't know who he is, no.

Now tell us, why did you lie about going to bed?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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What do you think neighbor, do I look good tonight or what????
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Really you're in the hospital. I am so sorry to hear that Compadrecita...Has Peoria Daddy been in to see you I hope???
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Stop trying to avoid the subject.  Just so you know, I'm in the hospital, and since they wake me every hour, I can do this all night long with you.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Really you can see me right now - what am I wearing - do I look as good as I always do? I'm just going to let that d**n yard burm away...less maintenance you know?

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That's "neighbor," and I can see you anxiously banging out more lies on your keyboard.  Meanwhile, your yard is on fire.

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Thanks for letting us know what you've been stuffing in your bong today.  It's the only way to explain why you think the corrupt conduct of the school board president won't become an issue.

Why did you lie about going to bed?  Did one of your other personalities wake you up?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Oh oh it's my neighbor hold on.....
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Apache Mom wrote:
This was my experience:  we won, and Diane Douglas and her sheep lost (and they include you, Rick Murphy, Debbie Lesko, Kathy Entringer, Rick Gutridge, Suzanne Burger, Paula Cohen, Sherry Carraciolo and all the sanctimommies).


Don't you think if you would have lost, it would have been like the Yankees losing to Peoria High School?

You seem to harbor some bittermess toward these people, would that be accurate? Do you think any of these people mentioned have the slighest idea who I am?

Given the fact that the opposition campaign you were involved in was financed by the Maricopa County Republican Party, the upset was that the campaign was won.
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Apache Mom wrote:
This was my experience:  we won, and Diane Douglas and her sheep lost (and they include you, Rick Murphy, Debbie Lesko, Kathy Entringer, Rick Gutridge, Suzanne Burger, Paula Cohen, Sherry Carraciolo and all the sanctimommies).


Don't you think if you would have lost, it would have been like the Yankees losing to Peoria High School?

You seem to harbor some bitterness toward these people, would that be accurate? Do you think any of these people mentioned have the slighest idea who I am?
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Why would I do that when it's a bunch of hashish?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Now you even lie about going to bed.  What's the matter Cousin It?  Don't you like someone else getting the last word?

Besides, even if you were serious, I simply cannot not take anyone who posts under a thousand different names and has online conversations with themselves very seriously at all.  Hell, no one can.

Like I said, if you want to start a discussion about the override, start another thread, and start with this question: Do you think PUSD voters will support handing over more money to a school board president, Diane Douglas, who made sure that she lined the pockets of her political allies with more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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This was my experience:  we won, and Diane Douglas and her sheep lost (and they include you, Rick Murphy, Debbie Lesko, Kathy Entringer, Rick Gutridge, Suzanne Burger, Paula Cohen, Sherry Carraciolo and all the sanctimommies).


Don't you think if you would have lost, it would have been like the Yankees losing to Peoria High School?

You seem to harbor some bitterness toward these people, would that be accurate? Do you think any of these people mentioned have the slighest idea who I am?

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Apache Mom wrote: Evasive is what you are.  So let's clear this up.

You see, in a post on another thread I told you I never met Mary Crespino in the hope of brushing off another of you inane questions, because you think I'm Mary.  You're no doubt loaded for bear and will copy a post or two where I said I talked to her.  It's common knowlege, at least on this board, that I have met Mary and that I have spoken with her. No biggie there.  I guess you just don't get the concept of someone brushing you off.  That happens when you hold conversations with yourself online.

Your attempt, which has failed constantly, is to call my credibility in question now that yours is down to zero.  The problem, though, is when I told you I didn't know Mary it was simply a brush off to force you to address an issue you wanted to avoid, and which you still wish to avoid.

So now that I've knocked down your straw man, let's talk about what this is really about, and that's this: I have exposed you for the fraud that you are.  Not just about the $20 million Douglas funneled to her political backers, but the fact that you post under multiple names and has actually conducted online conversations with yourself.  In exposing that, everyone on these boards now know you're a fraud, too, because on any given thread the people who agree with you are people you made up.
If you want to know how aynkm works, this was a classic example.  Like a lot of right wing republican nuts she tried setting up a straw man in a failed attempt to call into question Apache Mom's credibility. You're seeing them do this with Speaker Nancy Pelosi right now.  It's very Limbaughesque.

I posted Apache Mom's response, because every here should know this is the way you treat a bully if you want him/her to back off.

Well done Apache Mom.
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

You're welcome.  I hope tomorrow is just as fun.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Wow this was a fun day Apache Mommy and i need to go to bed. Thank you sooooooomuch for everything.......
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Well, since the school board no longer has any control over that money, you never know.  Deer Valley's trust has had several big bites taken from it, and Paradise Valley's barely exists now. Why should Peoria be different?

Funny, another one of your personalities asked the same thing about Kristine, yet they denied they were you. Did you consider that a slap in the face?  And did you slap youself for saying it?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Do you honestly think that the DD supporters are going to take that $20 million and we'll wake up and it'll all be gone, Mommy?
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You know when we were discoursing the other night, why did Peoria Daddy/Jim40 blurt out something about Kristine and that real Christlike?? That one puzzles me....
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Like I said, if you want to discuss the override, start another thread.  You can begin your discussion with this:  Do you think PUSD voters will support handing over more money to a school board president, Diane Douglas, who made sure that she lined the pockets of her political allies with more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Do you think it's really going to hurt that we had all of this really stupid stuff in the district these past several years, lunch, tacos, recalls, Challenger, Nobel, Adam, etc. It makes us appear to be a bit retarded, don't you think there Mommy? Don't you think that really hurts our chances in the next override that we look like we have heads up our proverbial asses???

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

If you want to discuss the override, start a new thread.  This thread is still all about how corrupt Diane Douglas is, and how, no matter how hard you try, you cannot distract from that.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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So you and Mary did work together on this.......
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

This was my experience:  we won, and Diane Douglas and her sheep lost (and they include you, Rick Murphy, Debbie Lesko, Kathy Entringer, Rick Gutridge, Suzanne Burger, Paula Cohen, Sherry Carraciolo and all the sanctimommies).

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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I may do that - what was your experience in the last bond override?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Well she's certainly done more than either you, me and most other people have for this district.

And I have no idea who you are, and I really don't care. My only investment in you is to prove you wrong, which is getting easier with each passing day.  Like I said, today was a banner day.  Here's a reminder of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Did you know I am Nada's neighbor? When did you all figure that out?
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Well since you're not going to talk to me about Mary Crespino, I will go to bed. I just wanted to know what makes a woman like that tick. She's always just doing good things in the district, isn't she? i bet she's a saint......
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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I have no wife or kids anymore. I live in a van down by the river. It's really quite sad....

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Do you still beat your wife and kids?  Do you still kick your dog?  If you have a point to make (and I know you don't), get to it.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Called what bluff? What are you referring to?
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When you worked on the bond election togather, was there jealousy because she was the head of it and you were not?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Not at all.  Besides, we've already been through this dance.  I called your bluff then, and I'm calling it now.

And, no, all has not been said.  You continually avoid addressing the fact that your idol Diane Douglas is corrupt and a liar. You yourself said my facts were true.  Have you changed you mind?  Or are you a liar?

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Oh Mommy, there is no one else looking at this and all has been said about DD. You're a liar, you have no evidence to back up your wildass claims and let's move on...

Am I making you feel a bit uncomfortable by me bringing up Mary Crespino? I don't mean to, you believe that don't you?

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

The subject would be fascinating, but not nearly as fascinating as a discussion of the corrupt Diane Douglas -- a subject you're trying to avoid at all costs.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Now why in the world would you want to derail my topic here. I truly don't understand. Don't you care for Mary?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Than start the conversation on another thread.

This thread is about the corruption that Diane Douglas has brought to the PUSD, and sheep like you who wish to cover it up.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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You were involved in the last override, weren't you Apache Mommy?
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Oh come on Mommy, Mary kind of is held in high esteen by some in this community and I'd kind of just like to know what your impressions were. I think the E word is rasing its ugly head again.....Mr. Evasive....
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

This isn't about Mary.  This is about you and your inability to tell the truth and your friend Diane Dougals who has funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
  • You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
  • You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her?  If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 05:50 am by Apache Mom
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So, what's Mary like? It seems like you guys would be pretty good friends since you're both so active in the district. Weren't you both involved in the last override also?

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