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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Evasive is what you are. So let's clear this up.
You see, in a post on another thread I told you I never met Mary Crespino in the hope of brushing off another of you inane questions, because you think I'm Mary. You're no doubt loaded for bear and will copy a post or two where I said I talked to her. It's common knowlege, at least on this board, that I have met Mary and that I have spoken with her. No biggie there. I guess you just don't get the concept of someone brushing you off. That happens when you hold conversations with yourself online.
Your attempt, which has failed constantly, is to call my credibility in question now that yours is down to zero. The problem, though, is when I told you I didn't know Mary it was simply a brush off to force you to address an issue you wanted to avoid, and which you still wish to avoid.
So now that I've knocked down your straw man, let's talk about what this is really about, and that's this: I have exposed you for the fraud that you are. Not just about the $20 million Douglas funneled to her political backers, but the fact that you post under multiple names and has actually conducted online conversations with yourself. In exposing that, everyone on these boards now know you're a fraud, too, because on any given thread the people who agree with you are people you made up.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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| These questions seem so easy to me - have you met Mary Crespino - just making conversation...
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Simple reply: put it in context.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 05:29 am |
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Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 05:28 am |
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
I'll answer your question as soon as you place it in full context.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
You constantly lie, and today was a banner day for that.
Nice try on the Crespino thing. If you're going to quote me, do it in its totality and in context. We both know I brushed you off, or do you? Are you that stupid? Maybe you are.
Cousin It, do I need to remind you,again of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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| So, first you said you hadn't met Mary Crespino and then you said you did. Which is it?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Hey, I'm not the one who has to create people to find someone to agree with me. And remember: you looked this up, and you stipulated that the facts were true. Did you lie about that or didn't you?
And now you bring up e-mails? That's Mary Crespino, not me. Oh wait...you think I'm Mary Crespino! Well, you're wrong about that, too! That's too rich. It's also stupid.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and found them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- You found out I wasn't Mary Crespino, even though you thought I was. By the way, do you plan on offering Mary an apology for falsely accusing her of things she didn't do or for disparaging her? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Actually, you are very careful with your spelling and grammer (kidding -- I know it's grammar). When it comes to content, you are fast, lose and untrue with facts.
grammar loose untrue and facts are oxymorons kind of like truth and Apache Mommy
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Actually, you are very careful with your spelling and grammer (kidding -- I know it's grammar). When it comes to content, you are fast, lose and untrue with facts.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- I am not who you implied I was. By the way, do you plan on offering the person you thought I was an apology? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 04:52 am by Apache Mom
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Stop making a fool of yourself. I'll throw caution to the wind and assume you meant to say "vitriol." You should really look up the definitions and spelling of words with which you are unfamiliar before using them improperly, as you did in your last post.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- I am not who you implied I was. By the way, do you plan on offering the person you thought I was an apology? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Tell him yourself. Like just about everything you say, this is wrong, too.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to Cousin It today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admitted that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- I am not who you implied I was. By the way, do you plan on offering the person you thought I was an apology? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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| Good night Compadre - tell Peoria Daddy good night also. I think Peoria Daddy and I could be compadres also.....
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Looks like you're winding up to go into another tantrum Cousin It. Take a breath.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- You've thrown two very childish temper tantrums.
- I am not who you implied I was. By the way, do you plan on offering the person you thought I was an apology? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 04:22 am by Apache Mom
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
aynkm, don't even pretent 420 time isn't you. We all know it is, because this is who you bring in when you want to take up lots of room on the forum in oprder to distract from what happened earlier. So, yes, you came unhinged, and, frankly, you weren't even creative or original (then again, you never are).
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- I am not who you implied I was. By the way, do you plan on offering the person you thought I was an apology? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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It's amazing to watch her when she gets angry. The post by her latest personality is actually something she does verbally when she is caught in a lie (which she is, and very often) or when she disagrees with you. She is very much like a two-year-old throwing an tantrum. She did that not long ago at the PTSA meeting.
As we usually do, the rest of us just laughed at her, just as anyone who is reading this is laughing at Cousin It right now.
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
Temper, temper, Cousin It. It looks like someone came unhinged, and that someone is you in the form of one of your personalities.
Now, a reminder to everyone just checking in of the things that happened to you today:- You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
- Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
- I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
- You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (for the third time).
- You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
- I am not who you implied I was. By the way, do you plan on offering the person you thought I was an apology? If you had even a modicum of class, that would be the least you would do.
Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It? Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?
It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 03:58 am by Apache Mom
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.
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