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 Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 02:54 am
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Yes, Cousin It, I do, and unlike you, I know a good ass kicking when I see it. Go away now and lick your wounds before you get beat up more.
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

OK ... I'll play along.

Why thank you trulyunbelievable (who is actually just one of aynkm's thousands of personalities).  But really, given that you post under a thousand different names, and hold entire conversations with yourself on line, do you really want to bring up narcisissm?  Or is this just you projecting again?

Or is it that you are dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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APACHE, the highlights

 dramatic, emotional behavior, 
  • Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
  • Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
  • Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
You often monopolize conversations.
You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior.

  And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better
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AnneR

Do you even understand what we're talking about?
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 Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 02:32 am
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Don't look for me to step in this time, Apache.  I have been enjoying watching as you paint Cousin It into a corner, and then use his own posts to hang him.  He's becoming increasingly frustrated, mostly because he can no longer support the lies he's been telling.  It's become so bad that most of his own personalities have abandonded him.

Keep up the good work.
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 Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 02:25 am
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

As you admitted youself Cousin It, the facts are not in dispute, and if they're not in dispute as you say, they cannot have been manufactured (unlike the thousands of people you created to post under in order to make it seem as though there were a whole bunch of lame brains out there who agreed with you, when it was only just you).

And I'm betting that about now you're hoping Newszap steps in again.  AnneR was kind enough to contact them last time.  It's your turn.  And don't forget to tell them about the intellectual, factual and rhetorical ass kicking you took on behalf of a crooked politician by the name of Diane Douglas.

Have you found the video yet?  By virtue of the fact that you suggested a public speaking course, it is clear that you have not.  When you do, please post so that everyone, especaially me, can know that you were wrong . . . again.

Are you dizzy from all of today's spinning Cousin It?  Or are you finally sickened by the fact that Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political friends?

It doesn't matter, really, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 02:28 am by Apache Mom
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Okay, Babycakes, do what you do well, making up stuff and then trying to stand by them.....

By the way, you may want to take a public speaking course.......

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

You're shouting Cousin It.  Are you angry because your own post forced you to admit that the total contributed by VSIT execs to the Pachyderm Coalition just so happens to add up to exactly the amount the PC contributed to Douglas's campaign?  Are you angry now because it forces you to admit this isn't coincidence?  Or are you still angy over the fact that the fact that it has been uncovered that you post under a thousand different names and hold conversations with yourself online (narcissistic indeed! Thanks for posting the definition, because it describes you to a T!)?

Just in case you let your anger blind you, here are the things that happened to you today:
  • You said that I have never made my points in public, and I proved that I have (You're still watching the video, aren't you?).
  • Using your own post, I have proven that you, Diane Douglas and your thousands of personalities are certifiable liars.
  • I have pointed out that you admited that my facts are correct, and that you are a dim wit because you try to dismiss them as coincidental.
  • You denied that you said they were conincidental, yet moments ago you said they were (frr the third time).
  • You denied that you looked up these facts and foudn them to be true, only to turn around and admit, again, that they are true.
Well, keep spinning, Cousin It.  The more you post, the more foolish you look.  That house of lies you built is crumbing around you, and now you're getting angry because you can't remember what you said, or what your corrupt and criminal idol Diane Douglas told you to say, from one day to the next.

Meanwhile, the real facts behind this VSIT deal, the one that put millions of taxpayer dollars into the hands of Douglas's political supporters,  aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 02:12 am by Apache Mom
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Apache, etc. This is from the Mayo Clinic: I've edited it for clarity's sake.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings.

In particular, narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as histrionic, antisocial and borderline personality disorders.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
  • Believing that you're better than others
  • Expecting constant praise and admiration
  • Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
  • Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
  • Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
  • Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior.  And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may also seek out others you think have the same special talents, power and qualities — people you see as equals.

  You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism.  And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better
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Apache Mom wrote:
 No one ever said the VSIT folks gave individually to her campaign.  They gave the money to the Pachyderm Coalition, and in turn the Pachyderm Coalition cut her a check (Douglas was treasurer of the group at the time -- very convenient) for the exact amount the VSIT execs contributed.  Only a dim wit like you and your thousands of personalities would find that a coincidence.

She also lied about Blue Cross Blue Shield. It IS a nationwide network.  If she can't get the basics right, then why should we believe anything else she has to say?  And her claim that it is saving the district money cannot be proved.

NO, EVEN A DIMWIT LIKE ME ACTUALLY DOES UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE OF VSIT FOLKS CONTRIBUTING DIRECTLY TO HER CAMPAIGN AND THIS VERY CONSERVATIVE COALITION CONTRIBUTING TO HER CAMPAIGN. YOU SEE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW THIS OR NOT, BUT MARICOPA COUNTY IS A HOTBED OF VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS, MUCH TO MY CHAGRIN. I WOULD HAZARD TO GUESS THAT THIS GROUP OF VERY WHITE INDIVIDUALS CONTRIBUTE TO MOST OF THE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES IN THIS COUNTY. I SAID SOMEWHAT TONGUE IN CHEEK THAT OUR SHERIFF WOULD HAVE TO START CONDUCTING ROUNDUPS OF ALL THE SCHOOL BOARDS THAT ARE IN THIS VSIT IF DIANE DOUGLAS IS FOUND GUILTY OF ANYTHING, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH. SO, YOU'RE SAYING IF DD WOULD HAVE RECEIVED $300 INSTEAD OF $500, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY? WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

I MAY BE A DIMWIT, BUT AT LEAST I'M NOT BRAINDEAD AS YOU APPEAR TO BE, MOMMY.
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Apache Mom wrote: Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Cousin It, thank you for re-posting Diane Douglas's lies for all to see.

First, she avoids answering the question, and then sets up a straw man to knock down.  That may work for the intellectually weak like you and your personalities, but it doesn't pass muster with the rest of us. No one ever said the VSIT folks gave individually to her campaign.  They gave the money to the Pachyderm Coalition, and in turn the Pachyderm Coalition cut her a check (Douglas was treasurer of the group at the time -- very convenient) for the exact amount the VSIT execs contributed.  Only a dim wit like you and your thousands of personalities would find that a coincidence.

She also lied about Blue Cross Blue Shield. It IS a nationwide network.  If she can't get the basics right, then why should we believe anything else she has to say?  And her claim that it is saving the district money cannot be proved.

So once again you have failed to prove me wrong, while I continue to weaken everything you say.

Keep spinning, Cousin It, because the facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong (or do you need me to provide you to a link to the district's web page?  You can find it yourself, right?  Apparently not are of you personalities are as skilled).

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
Who gives a d**n!
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ENOUGH!!

Here is an idea..

 

Why don't Apache Mom, PUSD teacher, AnneR, and AYNKM go down to Castle Boutique and get a quart of lube,a box of condoms and get a hotel room already.

You all have so much time on your hands why don't you volunteer and mentor a child in one of our valleys many group homes.

Or better yet....Get a Freakin' Life

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Cousin It, thank you for re-posting Diane Douglas's lies for all to see.

First, she avoids answering the question, and then sets up a straw man to knock down.  That may work for the intellectually weak like you and your personalities, but it doesn't pass muster with the rest of us. No one ever said the VSIT folks gave individually to her campaign.  They gave the money to the Pachyderm Coalition, and in turn the Pachyderm Coalition cut her a check (Douglas was treasurer of the group at the time -- very convenient) for the exact amount the VSIT execs contributed.  Only a dim wit like you and your thousands of personalities would find that a coincidence.

She also lied about Blue Cross Blue Shield. It IS a nationwide network.  If she can't get the basics right, then why should we believe anything else she has to say?  And her claim that it is saving the district money cannot be proved.

So once again you have failed to prove me wrong, while I continue to weaken everything you say.

Keep spinning, Cousin It, because the facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party. Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong (or do you need me to provide you to a link to the district's web page?  You can find it yourself, right?  Apparently not are of you personalities are as skilled).

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Apache, please respond to Mrs. Douglas's letter. Please, no more cutting and pasting - come up with something new.
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 Do I really need to provide you with a link to the school district's web site?  Are you so stupid as to be incapable of finding that on your own? And once again you try to dismiss hard evidence as coincidence.  And, as noted below, the district keeps its reserve in name only.  WOW - THIS IS SUCH AN AMAZINGLY SILLY COMMENT, I HAVE NO COMMENT......EVEN FOR YOU APACHE MOMMY, COMPADRECITO.
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

I have most certainly proven you wrong Cousin It. Do I really need to provide you with a link to the school district's web site?  Are you so stupid as to be incapable of finding that on your own? And once again you try to dismiss hard evidence as coincidence.  And, as noted below, the district keeps its reserve in name only.  Total control of more than $20 million dollars has been handed to Diane Douglas's political supporters, none of whom were elected to control one penny of PUSD dollars.

Really, Cousin It, you must be dizzy from all the spin you're serving up.  Why are you incapable of being honest?

When can we expect you to reveal who you are?

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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APACHE MOMMY - HERE IS WHAT DD said - take it to her and present your evidence and explain why she is incorrect.

 

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MY, MY, MY PUSD, don't you wish you could write a coherent, concise, and very informative letter like Ms. Douglas just did?????

Board Members - I participate in a Newszap forum regarding the district. Would you mind commenting on this post from a Peoria School district teacher? Any of this close to the truth? iIapologize for the crude nature of her post. I certainly hope she doesn't talk like this in the classroom! She indicated she was up for Teacher of the Year a couple of years ago.....eeeeekkk!!
 

Thank you, Rocky Arnold



And everything I have stated is fact. What's really aggravating you is that your idol Diane Douglas gave a gift of over $20 million to her friends, and did it while you were looking at the glowing object in corner.

Let me educate you. Over $20 million was what was left in the Employee Benefit Trust reserves.  VSIT required the district hand over that money before hooking up PUSD to an insurance plan that is less than what PUSD employees have today. VSIT can spend that money in any way they see fit, and is under NO obligation to spend it to benefit PUSD or its employees.

You catching on yet, dummy?

To make matters worst, ALL of the top executives of the VSIT contributed to both her campaigns.  Even a dim bulb like you can figure out that this is, at the very least, a $20 million conflict of interest.

She pulled this off under you nose and had made you look more foolish than you already are. You are, indeed, a lemming.
 

Dear Mr. Arnold,

 

Thank you for your questions.  I appreciate the opportunity to address the blatant misinformation which is being circulated.  Hope you don’t mind if I answer both of your emails with one response!  While I will gladly respond to your questions – I think it prudent to keep my comments and thoughts about the blog posting from the person identifying him/herself as “PUSD Teacher” to myself.

 

United Health Care is a nationwide network; meaning any employee needing medical care while out of state on vacation or a covered dependent (i.e. child attending school out of state) can be covered by an “in-network” provider anywhere in the country.   The Blue Cross/Blue Shield network is a statewide network therefore any care required while out of state is “out-of-network” care.  Being self-insured, out-of-network care is costlier to the EBT and to the employee.  I may be remembering incorrectly but I believe I was told the annual cost of out-of-network care to the EBT is approximately $1.5 million.  This, of course, does not include the cost to the employee – rather than the co-pay the employee pays a percentage of the out-of-network charges.  While “out-of-network” cost will probably not be eliminated completely it should be greatly reduced.

 

I DO NOT have a conflict of interest with the VSIT.  As required, I have a disclosure statement on file at the district office.  I have no conflict of interest  with any company or entity with which the district does business.  I am a trustee on the Valley Schools Worker’s Compensation Board and the Valley Schools Liability Board.  I was (re)appointed to these Boards by the PUSD Governing Board.  I’ve been on the VSWC Board for several years.  I was only recently appointed to the VSL Board to fill the seat vacated by Ms. Debra Raeder when she left the PUSD Gov. Brd.  I serve on these Boards on behalf of PUSD in the administration of the Liability and Worker’s Comp. Insurance pools.  I have no personal interest, financial or otherwise, in either of these insurance pools nor do I receive any remuneration for this service.  As my campaign finance reports clearly show, I have not taken any campaign contributions from VSIT or any of their top executives (or any VSIT employee for that matter) for either of my campaigns (these reports are on file with the Maricopa County Recorder’s Dept and available on that website).  And although you haven’t asked, for the record, my husband does NOT now, nor has he ever, been an employee of UHC or Valley Schools .  Since no conflict is involved, where he does work is, quite frankly, no one’s business but ours.  But, also for the record, I guess Mrs. Coury did “gotcha” me during the April 13th PUSD EBT meeting – alas, I am, in fact, a registered Republican.

 

As was clearly explained in multiple EBT and employee meetings, PUSD’s EBT is remaining intact.  It is being rolled under the umbrella of a multi-district trust.  PUSD’s funds will be used to purchase/pay for benefits for PUSD employees.  PUSD is a founding member of the Valley Schools Insurance Trust and the Valley Schools EBT.  The Worker’s Comp and Liability pools have been saving the member districts (PUSD, Deer Valley and Paradise Valley ) on WC and Liability insurance coverage since its inception.    As a founding member, even though we withdrew from the VSEBT a few years ago, upon the District’s return we will regain our Board seats on the VSEBT.  The relationship will be governed by an Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA).

 

There is no doubt that when the PUSD EBT was formed 20 years ago (give or take) the self-insured trust concept was a cutting edge idea which saved the district a lot of money.  However in today’s health care market it is evident that being a (relatively) small, single district trust is costing, rather than saving, the district money for the exact same coverage.

 

A la my former board colleague - perhaps a better question is: why would people who sit (or sat) on the PUSD EBT & Governing Boards, who are vested with looking out for the best interests of the District, the employees and the taxpayers, work so hard to keep all of the aforementioned from realizing millions of dollars of savings for so long?

 

I believe I have answered all your questions – if I missed any, please let me know.  I appreciate the opportunity to dispel the rumors – although I very much doubt that “PUSD Teacher” will take my word for it.  I have attached to this email my response to the employee emails that I received.  I have also attached a Q&A information sheet about VSEBT and the cost savings options which were outlined for the EBT Board and the employees during multiple meetings.  Information from the employee presentations is also available on the PUSD portal (click on “Departments” along the  top menu; then under Support Services “Insurance Benefits;”  finally under “Insurance Links” click “Benefit Employee Meeting Information”).  If you have any additional questions about this or any other issue in the future – please don’t hesitate to contact me.  I hope this helps!

 

Sincerely,

Diane

 

PS – Again, although you didn’t ask but “for the record,” the Board did not have a “choice” as some have stated.  The Nobel Lease was a breach of contract and as such is NOT covered by insurance.  There may be some choice out of which “fund” the settlement can be paid but it will be paid with district funds.  Sad, but true.  DMD

 

 


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Okay, Apache Mommy, I'll play your game. I, in fact, stipulated that these five facts were true. I, in fact, did not look them up as I am sure they are true as they are probably true of at least 50% of the Republicans in this Valley. My reaction was then and still is: SO WHAT???? To make the leap from here to all the just silly things you are leaping to is insulting to anyone who has a half of a brain. Again, as you are apt to do, you are making a mountain out of a molehill and you presented the same lame evidence in 2007 as you are today......which is absolutely nothing!!!!!

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact:  The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.



The rest of the post that you conveniently lumped into my stipulation is just plain BS and you have provided not one shred of evidence for anything - NOT EVEN ONE...Somehow, I wonder why you ignored this bit of evidence that the $20 million stays with the trust to THE LEAP $20 million was signed over to Diane Douglas AND INTO VSIT EXECUTIVES' BANK ACCOUNTS. It doesn't make a bit of sense, ComPADRECITO. THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT YOU HAVE OTHER EVIDENCE TO DISPUTE THE STATEMENT THAT TRUST BOARD CONTROLS THE $20 MILLION.....YOU ARE A COMPLETE FRAUD, APACHE MOMMY, COMPADRECITO:

Page 7 of 150.

See Compadrecito - Evidence below.......you have hear say, and well, do I need to review that also?

http://portal.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Governing%20Board/Document%20Library/2009/Board%20Mtg%20Information%20Packets/April%2014,%202009%20-%20Board%20Mtg%20Info%20Pkt%20-%20LARGE%20FILE%20-%20150%20PGS.pdf


 

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Apache, you haven't "proven aynkm wrong" , just because you said you spoke at a meeting or spoke with Douglas doesn't mean it actually happened unless you can prove it by providing us the link to the meeting.

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

I'll put my name up here the moment we find out who the man of a thousand faces is.

You don't get out of it that easily, Cousin It.

Your point here was that I hadn't taken these facts to the public, when in fact I have, to Douglas herself.  Now that I've proven you wrong again, you want to deny the fact that you looked up the facts we presented yourself.  You want to deny that, on this very thread, that you tried to blow them off as just coincidence.  Are you now saying that isn't true, and that you are, in fact, the liar you've been proven to be?

Well, keep spinning, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends you bring to the party.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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OK Apache Mommy, you had the same "facts" in 2007, as you do today, and that ain't much at all and two, my percentage is officially 99.9999%. Why don't you let the folks playing at home let them know who you are really?
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Still can't deal with the facts, can you aynkm (aka, trulyunbelievable, High School Mom, and a cast of thousands) ...

Your point here was that I hadn't taken these facts to the public, when in fact I have, to Douglas herself.  Now that I've proven you wrong again, you want to deny the fact that you looked up the facts we presented yourself.  You want to deny that, on this very thread, that you tried to blow them off as just coincidence.  Well, keep spinning, because these facts aren't going away, and neither am I, no matter how many thousands of your manufactured friends refuse to deal with the facts.  Now go watch the video so you can once again validate that you're wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Not that this is going to help your cause here because I'm assuming you had the same"facts" in 2007 as you do today, but I think I will be able to take that percentage up to 99.999999% Mommy
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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Try viewing the podcast of the board meetings on the District's web page. Every meeting from about 2007 on is there for you to see, and you can see me speak directly to the board at least five times, and to Diane Douglas specifically in regard to her conflict with VSIT.  Of course, this will once again prove aynkm and his self-created handmaiden trulyunbelievable wrong, especially in regard to who I am.  Have fun watching the video.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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 The facts presented have been brought out at governing board meetings -- at least three to five times in the last three years, and I was one of the people who asked Mrs. Douglas about this conflict directly and publicly at a governing board meeting -- right there on camera for you and all of you lemmings to see.  She lied and told me she had no conflict when Arizona law and PUSD policy say differently. Why would I go back just to have her lie to my face again?

It's funny, but I have a photographic memory. I recall you speaking at the board meetings at the end of 2007 maybe on three separate occasions, I'm trying to remember, but weren't these on an entirely different matter??? i could be wrong of course, compadrecita....
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Oh PLEASE. I'm 100% positive if you'd spoken at a board meeting you would have told us all about it long ago. PLEASE post the link so we can all judge if Mrs. Douglas is lying to you. PLEASE make this statement that you keep posting red at the very next board meeting. PLEASE write a letter to the editor. PLEASE do us all a favor, so that if there is a real issue, the entire community will know all about it.

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

Oh please, aynkm, you looked all of this up yourself, and earlier in this thread you tried, and failed, to blow everything off as mere coincidence. The remainder of the time you and your personalities have been trying to detract from the facts in order to hide the corruption of your idol Diane Douglas.  And neither you nor any of you personalities seem to pay much attention to what actually goes on at governing board meetings.  The facts presented have been brought out at governing board meetings -- at least three to five times in the last three years, and I was one of the people who asked Mrs. Douglas about this conflict directly and publicly at a governing board meeting -- right there on camera for you and all of you lemmings to see.  She lied and told me she had no conflict when Arizona law and PUSD policy say differently. Why would I go back just to have her lie to my face again?

The Arizona Republic has investigated and has run serveral articles regarding the conflicts VSIT has with school districts (and PUSD is a poser compared to Deer Valley). The Attorney General continues to investigate. So my purpose here is to make sure the facts are not diluted or hidden by a person with a thousand personalities who is too stupid to know when his idol is wrong.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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Getting out what they feel is the truth is obviously not as important to Apache/Teacher, etc as they claim or you're right, aynkm, they'd be speaking at a board meeting, etc. In fact, I even provided them a link to the Arizona Republic letter to the editor online submission place, all they had to do was click and cut and paste. Maybe 10 whole seconds of their time. Oh yea, they'd have to sign their name(s).

Ain't gonna happen.
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Somebody brought this up, maybe rdg, no sorry it was Truly, but what is your next step with this, Apache Mommy? This is a most serious charge you have thrown out there with absolutely no backup. You can keep putting the same cut and paste for us which we all appreciate I'm sure, but why aren't you making this a big issue outside of this forum? Letters to the editor, speaking at the board meeting, etc., etc., etc.

Are you just going to continue to be in the background as you always have been making unsubstantiated charges and causing dissension about issues that are issues only in your small and closed minds? I know you will be putting up the same cut and paste as a rebuttal, but perhaps you would try to address this for once. Just a suggestion, you understand?

Tough love, Compadrecita......

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Diane Douglas handed over $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters.

aynkm, so long as there are fools like you willing to walk off the cliff with Diane Douglas, I'll do quite well, thank you.  And let's face it, the only one throwing out crap is you, and it is done not to advance the discussion, but to hide the fact that Douglas is the single most corrupt school board member ever elected to the Peoria board.  Besides, you stipulated long ago that what I'm posting is fact because you've seen it for yourself.  If it were possible to worm your way out of this, Douglas would have already told you how, and you would have proudly posted lies on her behalf. As it is, I know that you and your thousands of personalities can't stand the fact that we continue to post these facts, and what could make a girl happier?

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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I must say I have been neither sympathetic nor empathetic with my compadre. Your shepherd, your idol, your god no longer is blogging. He "moved" back east, according to your hubby. What are you going to do with your time now? No more  taking pictures of the blog, no more marketing director for the tripe he posted. I'm so sorry...this has to be like a death in the Apache Mommy/Peoria Daddy household. I hope you know if there is absolutely anything I can do for my compadre, I will be here for you....Maybe you just need to talk it out with someone.....

So, what's next in your witch hunt? I must say I was disappointed I saw not one speaker at the board meeting regarding this VSIT issue. No Apache Mommy, No AnneR (that would be entertaining), no Peoria Daddy, no Nada en Particular, no Wet Willy, no PUSDTeacher, not one of the flock. Is that it? You all throw out this crap out on this forum, declare they are facts, and that's it?

Maybe you're banking on the AG angle, is that it, Apache Mommy? How's that going? Is an arrest on the horizon in this?

Take care of your yourself, Compade. It is a trite expression, but true: Time heals all...you and Peoria Daddy will make it, just lean on one another.

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You know what you might want to do?

First, speak in complete sentences.

Second, actually read what I posted.

Finally, get life, you psychotic loser (you and ALL your personalities).

P.S.  I'm still at school using district equipment to tell you what an ass you are.
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I CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE SO JEALOUS OF MRS. JOICE - SHE WRITES WELL, YOUR WRITING SKILLS ARE IN THE THIRD GRADE PROFICIENCY AREA; MRS. JOICE's ACTIONS HAD CLASS WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM, YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS HAVE CLASSLESS WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM; AND IT APPEARED TO ME MRS. JOICE IS IN TEACHING BECAUSE SHE LOVES IT, I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU'RE IN IT, BECAUSE WITH YOUR SOUR ATTITUDE, YOU NEED TO GET OUT!!! YOU ARE EXACTLY THE PROBLEM WITH OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM TODAY. WE HAVE TEACHERS LIKE YOU WHO REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO A GOOD JOB. BECAUSE, SO WHAT IF I'M NOT A GOOD TEACHER, WHAT ARE YOU AND ANYONE ELSE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? YOU'RE RIGHT THERE PUSD, NOT A d**n THING WE CAN, IS THERE???I SADLY KNOW YOU'RE CORRECT..

AND TEACHERS OUT THERE WHO ARE TRULY IN IT FOR THE KIDS, I'M SO SORRY YOU HAVE TO BE LUMPED WITH DEADBEATS LIKE PUSD......

 

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A very small amount; a trace: not a soupçon of class was shown by PUSD Teacher.

 

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As do I.
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I rest my case, Commander.
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I bet I can pick them out.  They're the ones with the stupid aunt.
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I want to make sure my nieces and nephews, who also live in the district, don't get anywhere near a school where a shrew like you is in charge of a classroom.
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What's it to you?
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Is that a yes or no?
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That would be a "soup can" of truth.  Watch it.  You and all your personalities get annoyed at stuff like that (P.S. -- I'm kidding -- you need to find the correct "c" to use there).

What's it to you where I teach?

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Do you "teach" at Zuni Hills?

Not that I'd expect a soupcon of truth from you.

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areyounotkidding me wrote: High School Mom wrote:
As for PUSD Teacher - assuming you really are a teacher, I believe you should have rec'd one of those pink slips.   Hundreds of teachers rec'd notice that they no longer have a job in PUSD while PUSD TEACHER is blatantly posting hateful comments on this blog site, while on PUSD's time clock.    That's inexcusable, and PUSD Teacher should be ashamed of himself/herself.   If you have such disdain for the governing board members, why don't you resign?    There are plenty of teachers who rec'd pink slips who would be happy to have your job.   You, PUSD TEACHER, are  a disgrace to your profession.    With that, all is said.


Can I just say an amen to this comment? Some of the things coming out of this teacher's mouth were inexcusable......

Well guess what?  I am NOT one of the PUSD people who received a pink slip.

And you can all BITE ME!

And guess what? I sent this from a District computer.  Come sic Diane on me, losers.  I dare you.
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RDG, I've already told you where you can find this information:  the pachyderm Coalition web site and the Maricopa County Elections web site.  Now stop being lazy and look it up for yourself.  aynkm did, and that's why neither he nor any of his thousands of personalities, cannot refute it in any way, shape or form.  By the way RDG, you sound an awful lot like aynkm, and that is the sound of stupid.

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

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I'll see your "Amen" and raise you a "Hallelujah". I hope someone from the district reads this forum and investigates to see if "Teacher" really is a teacher as he/she says and then brags about blogging on district time with district computers.

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As for PUSD Teacher - assuming you really are a teacher, I believe you should have rec'd one of those pink slips.   Hundreds of teachers rec'd notice that they no longer have a job in PUSD while PUSD TEACHER is blatantly posting hateful comments on this blog site, while on PUSD's time clock.    That's inexcusable, and PUSD Teacher should be ashamed of himself/herself.   If you have such disdain for the governing board members, why don't you resign?    There are plenty of teachers who rec'd pink slips who would be happy to have your job.   You, PUSD TEACHER, are  a disgrace to your profession.    With that, all is said.


Can I just say an amen to this comment? Some of the things coming out of this teacher's mouth were inexcusable......
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Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.



Still waiting for you to provide us with documentation to back up these "facts"

You wouldn't want everyone to see you exposed as just another cut & paste big mouth that cannot back up your own statements. But then again you and the rest have already shown that you are not capable of formulating your own thoughts and opinions, you rely on someone else and don't even bother to do your own research to see if what you are cutting and pasting is true or not.......and I hate to say it,...kind of makes you a sheep and a follower.

Please disregard the past statement questioning your plans to run for the school board..we need someone who is capable of thinking for themselves.

Don't answer the question...it shows you as a fraud

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Apache Mom:   I'm assuming you (and all your collective personalities) meant to say:  "Unlike you, we have LIVES TO LEAD"  not "LIVES TO LEAVE"?   However, if you want to check out of this life you're "leading" (i.e, the person who only leaves hateful comments, and posts non-factual "facts), then all I can say to you is "good riddance" just as I said to your friends "Michael" and "Frank".   The PUSD community will be a much better place without all the negative commentaries from Michael, Frank, Apache Mom, AnneR, Dana, PUSD Teacher, etc.  

As for PUSD Teacher - assuming you really are a teacher, I believe you should have rec'd one of those pink slips.   Hundreds of teachers rec'd notice that they no longer have a job in PUSD while PUSD TEACHER is blatantly posting hateful comments on this blog site, while on PUSD's time clock.    That's inexcusable, and PUSD Teacher should be ashamed of himself/herself.   If you have such disdain for the governing board members, why don't you resign?    There are plenty of teachers who rec'd pink slips who would be happy to have your job.   You, PUSD TEACHER, are  a disgrace to your profession.    With that, all is said.
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 Posted: Mon May 18th, 2009 03:55 pm
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That's because we, unlike you, have lives to leave.

By the way, loved the group photo of Diane, you and all your personalities.  Which one is you?

Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.

Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:

Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.

Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.

Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.

Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?

While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.

Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.

As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."

There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.

Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?

And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.

Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.

And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.

Last edited on Mon May 18th, 2009 03:56 pm by Apache Mom
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Truly, All the critters awfully quiet tonight?

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