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Hey aynkm, remember Miss Annie/Teacher/Apache always said "we" must be the same person because we sometimes posted after each other. To use that reasoning, "Mike" and "Frank" must be the same person too!! As HS Mom pointed out, they both disappeared (after YEARS of nasty mud-slinging) from cyber space on the SAME WEEKEND. Not exactly a co-inky-dink, methinks.
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NO MIKEY OR FRANKIE????? WHO'S GOING TO TELL ME WHAT TO THINK NOW?????
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OH---- this is classic! What a great escape for Michael/Frank. I was waiting for him/them to conveniently "disappear" but what a coincidence for both of them to slip out of cyberspace at the same time. When faced with the challenge to present his concerns directly to the governing board, "Michael" has now moved to the EAST COAST??? go figure!!! If only Apache Mom, AnneR, Dana, Peoria Dad, and PUSD Teacher could also magically disappear --- life would be GOOD in the land of PUSD.
GET REAL, folks (especially Dad with the phantom neighbor whose name was, hmmmmmm????? "Michael".... yep.... sure. whatever.....) WE ALL KNOW (at least those of us living in the real world) that "Michael" did not/does not exist [nor did "Frank"] but he/she/they sure as hell stirred up a major controversy in the PUSD (and - if I must say - not in the best interests of PUSD stakeholders).
DAD: could you plz forward the name of "Michael's" realtor to me? I need to sell my house, and it seems as though "Michael" sold his/hers/theirs in an unbelievably short period of time. Just a few weeks ago, you and "Michael" were walking the kids to school together and participating in after-school sports events and having oh-so-much fun together in the "hood". And NOW he/she/they are GONE??? Moved to the East Coast? Wow. What a difference a few weeks makes. I need the name of his/her/their realtor as soon as possible. Thanks.
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rdg7359 wrote: AnneR wrote: You might be right, so let's go in this direction instead:
Why is it important to you to cover up the fact that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters. It is the crux of this issue, yet you never have addressed it . . . or at least in a logical and reasonable way. Answer that in an adult way, and I'll make this deal with you: I will not respond to what you say in that post at all. Now remember, it has to be adult and logical. No name calling, none of that stuff. Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.
AnneR - Where can I read more about this?
Yes AnneR, could you answer this question? I would be most interested also....
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Now, "Frank's" blog is MIA also. It was up earlier today, but hadn't been updated in months. I guess Frank and Mike took a hike. Peoria Dad, did "Frank" also "move"?
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Peoria Dad wrote:
As to Erickson's blog, it's been "incommunicado" for a while (and the use of that word is another clear sign that trulyunbelievable are one in the same). Erickson, who is (or was) my neighbor, moved a couple of months back, and his family will follow him back east when school's out. That's pretty common knowledge, and he did announce it on his blog before taking it down. Where have you been?
Checklist of Cult Characteristics
"Comparing the following statements to the group with which you or a family member or loved one is involved may help you determine if this involvement is cause for concern. If you check any of these items as characteristic of the group in question, and particularly if you check many of them you may well be dealing with a cult and should critically examine the group and its relationship to you or your loved one.
1) The group is focused on a living leader to whom members display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.
2) The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members and/or making money.
3) Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged.
4) Mind-numbing techniques (for example: meditation, chanting, denunciation sessions, or debilitating work routines) are used to suppress members' doubts.
5) The group's leadership dictates how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, or get married leaders may determine types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth.
6) The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, it's leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity).
7) The group has a polarized we-they mentality that causes conflict with the wider society. THIS WILL CAUSE THE BOND OVERRIDE FAILURE.
8) The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).
9) The group teaches or implies that its "superior" ends justify means that members would have
considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).
10) The group's leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control then
11) Members'subservience to the group causes them to give up previous personal goats and interests while devoting inordinate amounts of time to the groups."
12) Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
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AnneR wrote: You might be right, so let's go in this direction instead:
Why is it important to you to cover up the fact that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters. It is the crux of this issue, yet you never have addressed it . . . or at least in a logical and reasonable way. Answer that in an adult way, and I'll make this deal with you: I will not respond to what you say in that post at all. Now remember, it has to be adult and logical. No name calling, none of that stuff. Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.
AnneR - Where can I read more about this?
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Apache Mom wrote: trulyunbelievable wrote: rdg- no I have not been pissing and moaning about them! Please do not group me with Apache, Teacher, Annie.
Yes, please don't. We're not sheep, but trulyunbelievable is.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
Truth is, I could give less than a d**n about PUSD.
I just think it is hysterical that "grown adults" can beat a subject to death like you five have over the past few years. However, when you start posting and including "facts" as you have, you should at the very least, be prepared to back them up. Reason is, it could be the deciding factor that determines how a person may cast their vote in the upcoming election.
Because you can't back them up makes them look like your opinion, much like your favorite "Blog" you always refer to.....Someone's opinion, Not Fact!
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trulyunbelievable wrote: rdg- no I have not been pissing and moaning about them! Please do not group me with Apache, Teacher, Annie.
Yes, please don't. We're not sheep, but trulyunbelievable is.
Now, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Try visiting the Pachyderm Coalition site, and then go look up Douglas's campaign finance reports on the Maricopa County site. It's all there for you to see. And don't be suckered, friend, you are one of the few postes on this site who is not one aynkm's thousands of personalities.
And,BTWE, aynkm has stipulated to the facts we've posted.
We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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rdg- no I have not been pissing and moaning about them! Please do not group me with Apache, Teacher, Annie.
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Apache Mom wrote: Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
You keep posting this over and over again..
If these are facts, as you say, please provide us with your sources so these "facts" can be proven.
Please do not come back with your favorite "Blog" as a resource. You are just cutting and pasting like everyone else.
Everyone else: Areyounotkiddingme; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR a question has been asked......
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Well you all claim to know who they are, so spill. You won't, because you're cowards, and because you're wrong.
Besides, with all the whining you've been doing you would think that you and all your personalities would be happy with this. After all, now there's only a couple of us here to fight the BS and spin you post here on Diane Douglas's behalf. Maybe I should start a blog. How do you like this title: Diane Douglas is the Most Dishonest and Corrupt PUSD School Board Member Ever. Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
Now, for once, address the issue at hand: we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2009 09:45 pm by Apache Mom
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Moved? Left town? Mentioned it on his blog? When? In an effort to understand his cult-dom, I've read his entire blog several times. Don't recall a mention of that. Oh, and his buddy Frank hasn't been heard of in months either. Somebody getting too close to figuring out who he/they are?
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With his head in the sand, where else?
What are you going to do, aynkm, when next year's override goes down in flames because Diane Douglas handed over more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters and you did nothing about it?
After all, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2009 09:00 pm by Apache Mom
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AnneR wrote:
AnneR wrote: Since aynkm now claims to be gone (he's not; he'll be back soon), you should all know I threw down with him today. Here was my challenge:
Why is it important to you to cover up the fact that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters. It is the crux of this issue, yet you never have addressed it . . . or at least in a logical and reasonable way. Answer that in an adult way, and I'll make this deal with you: I will not respond to what you say in that post at all. Now remember, it has to be adult and logical. No name calling, none of that stuff. Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.
He didn't take me up on it, proving conclusively that he is a coward.
I hate to say I told you so, but.....
There may be no one more predictable, or sad, roaming the earth than aynkm and his thousands of personalities.
I've had very little participation in this thread, but I think before anyone answers any questions, aynkm needs to answer the challenge above first. Of course, we all know he's too much of a coward to do so.
As to Erickson's blog, it's been "incommunicado" for a while (and the use of that word is another clear sign that trulyunbelievable are one in the same). Erickson, who is (or was) my neighbor, moved a couple of months back, and his family will follow him back east when school's out. That's pretty common knowledge, and he did announce it on his blog before taking it down. Where have you been?
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Well, if you're truthful, you'll recognize aynkm as the one who took this thread down the gutter, and we also know that he' the one who does most of the name calling. Besides, it's now clear that you're just another in a long line of aynkm's personalities.
The end result I'm looking for is an honest, ethical and transparent school board, which we do not have.
After all, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2009 08:50 pm by Apache Mom
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Please don't lump me in with Annie, Apache and Teacher.
Second, Erickson's blog is incommunicado today, blogspot says it is missing. Hhmmm.
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Good one!
Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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Areyounotkiddingme; Apache Mom; Trulyunbelievable; Peoria Dad and AnneR I have a few questions of my own, if you don't mind.
What is it you are looking for as an end result? I ask because you five have been consistently pissing and moaning, whining and crying about KK, RM and DD for the last couple of years for one thing or another and they are still in office and you are still pissing and moaning. Quite frankly, it is a good thing that this is an anonymous blog because to know your true identities would do nothing but cause you embarrassment due to your childish behavior and name calling you have exhibited.
Besides cut and paste from blogs and post your childish opinions in this forum, what have you done or what are you doing to come to closure?
How many of you are planning to run for the school board next election? You five seem to have all the solutions to such "easy" problems, do your community a favor and run against the incumbents. Adam Maras had the stones to stand up for what he thought was right, do you have the stones or just big mouths?
What are you five going to do should DD, RM and KK get re-elected?
Lastly, and this is to Apache Mom......Please provide me with the research and proof that back up these so called "facts" you keep posting and re-posting. Besides the "blog" you five seem to hold so near and dear to your hearts, where is the documented evidence to back up your facts?
The point is you have single handedly turned what could be a good message board for our community in sharing along information and having a good debate about issues, into your own little pissing party.
Do us "ALL" a favor...do it somewhere else!
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AnneR wrote: Since aynkm now claims to be gone (he's not; he'll be back soon), you should all know I threw down with him today. Here was my challenge:
Why is it important to you to cover up the fact that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters. It is the crux of this issue, yet you never have addressed it . . . or at least in a logical and reasonable way. Answer that in an adult way, and I'll make this deal with you: I will not respond to what you say in that post at all. Now remember, it has to be adult and logical. No name calling, none of that stuff. Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.
He didn't take me up on it, proving conclusively that he is a coward.
I hate to say I told you so, but.....
There may be no one more predictable, or sad, roaming the earth than aynkm and his thousands of personalities.
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Thanks for the encouragement watchdogwillie.
I'm just wondering what aykm and all his personalities are going to do when next year's override goes down in flames because Diane Douglas handed over more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters and you did nothing about it?
After all, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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Sorry, one more favorite of Michael Erickson and his cultees. Now I'm done......sorry.
Peoria Dad - You are looking sooooo good!!!
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With the evidence in, AYNKM still has no valid arguments to offer for the actions of Diane, Rick and Kathy (don't ya all know they have big political ambitions--look what its already gotten Kathy -- nice ED job eh Kathy--how does someone with so little experience and background get that kind of a job???). AYNKM continues to resort to his old tricks of name calling and trying to derail the issues. The most laughable is his assertions about about how evil, stupid, etc., we all are for challenging the tactics/actions of this current board, when he is the guilty one for employing such despictable tactics against the past board and superintendent. Neither Challenger nor the unfortunately contract issue with Nobel compare to this insurance debacle--or the value it has for the political friends of Diane, Rick and Kathy, not evey close. You know what they say AYNKM, what goes around comes around. Diane, Rick and Kathy have no respect for this district, its employees, students or patrons and they are playing everyone for fools, with AYNKM as their head cheerleader. Well, birds of a feather!
Work has kept me plenty busy this past week, and I must travel off and on again for the next week. But I will be back. Keep up the good work Apache Mom, Annie R, and others. We can't let this lunatic and his three blind mice keep deluding this district about their actions and motives.
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Since aynkm now claims to be gone (he's not; he'll be back soon), you should all know I threw down with him today. Here was my challenge:
Why is it important to you to cover up the fact that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters. It is the crux of this issue, yet you never have addressed it . . . or at least in a logical and reasonable way. Answer that in an adult way, and I'll make this deal with you: I will not respond to what you say in that post at all. Now remember, it has to be adult and logical. No name calling, none of that stuff. Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.
He didn't take me up on it, proving conclusively that he is a coward.
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More non-responsive nonsense.
What are you going to do when next year's override goes down in flames because Diane Douglas handed over more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters and you did nothing about it?
After all, we've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.Last edited on Thu May 14th, 2009 10:56 pm by Apache Mom
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IntegrityforPeoria
Where did you go? I think I have hit that point we talked about a long time ago......When you start arguing with mental midgets like AnneR, it's time to go....
God help this district with the idiots that live within us.........please.......Apache Mom and the rest of the cult....I'm leaving you two that I am most proud of. Yes, I still giggle at both.....Bye Cultees.....Hopefully Mikey has new propaganda for you soon......I sense the last bunch is really getting stinky......
I attempted to take part in a discussion on this forum a while back, and ended up leaving after realizing that this board is controlled by a narcissist who posts under at least a dozen names. His/her/its latest temper tantrum is posted below under the nom de plume “areyounotkiddingme.”
I’m posting today for two reasons.
The first is to let all of you know that there are other online alternatives to this forum where you can participate in adult, two-way conversations about local issues without worrying that they will be commandeered by any individual whose main goal in life is to seek attention for themselves. Many people who used to post here have joined these forums, and the conversations are very productive. And to be specific, these are forums, not blogs.
The second is to send up a flag of warning to the folks who manage (and I use that term very loosely) these forums. In a letter I sent to the company’s president earlier this week I suggested that until they brought reasonable controls to their forums, very few people will continue to participate. Participation is key to making these forums work and to making them a revenue source. Failure to control the quality of their product will mean that in the long run these forums will have an adverse effect on the company’s competitiveness and profitability.
I think all, or most of us at least, can agree that reasonable controls are needed on this forum if it is to truly serve its intended purpose. By reasonable I mean that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but they are not entitled to the same opinion under a dozen or more different names. By reasonable I mean that when a conversation is intentionally hijacked, that the moderator step in and either move things along, or end the conversation. By reasonable, I mean that posts should have something to do with the topic of conversation. And by reasonable I mean that once someone begins to call others names or makes ad hominem attacks simply because others disagree with them, that their posting rights be suspended until, as a co-worker likes to say, they “get a grip.”
I am certain our multi-personality friend will soon post in faux outrage and claim that he/she/it is a victim, and that this is an attempt to strip him/her/it of his/her/its first amendment rights. Nothing can be further from the truth. This is about taking back first amendment rights for the rest of us. If he/she/it doesn’t like that idea . . . well, that will tell us all we need to know.
Peoria Dad, we live in a district that has its share of idiots and liars, and those idiots and liars have to be guarded against by men with keyboards. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Peoria daddy? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the change in insurance, and you curse the board members. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know (obviously). That the change in insurance, while tragic to some, probably saved money. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves money. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you know your argument is a paper tiger, you want me on that forum, you need me on that forum. We use words like cult, sheep, lunatics. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to idiots who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a d**n what you think you are entitled to.
AND OF COURSE THIS
One More Thing
I have closely examined all of the Peoria Unified School District’s financial reports over the last few months, paying particular attention to the checks that have been issued, and to whom. Turns out that not a single check has been issued to Nobel, the company that successfully sued the school district over a rental agreement. Not a single one. So, where is the money coming from to pay for this settlement? Could it be from the liability insurance carrier the district pays just in case they get sued and lose?
Hmmmmmmmm . . .
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Which I responded with:
I'm not going to say it - you say it....Let's get Mikey, he says anything......
One More Thing
I have closely examined all of the Peoria Unified School District’s financial reports over the last few months, paying particular attention to the checks that have been issued, and to whom. Turns out that not a single check has been issued to Nobel, the company that successfully sued the school district over a rental agreement. Not a single one. So, where is the money coming from to pay for this settlement? Could it be from the liability insurance carrier the district pays just in case they get sued and lose?
Hmmmmmmmm . . .
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Hey Mikey!!!
Mikey just isn't going to quit stumbling over himself on this Nobel thing, is he? You see he hasn't found any payments yet because the first one is not due until July 18, 2009. Do you think it was structured this way because the fiscal year end is June 30.....Hmmmmmm.... Look it up....HMMMMMMM.
Mr. Cantelme outlined the specifics of the settlement proposal, which include four payments, the first for $500,000 due on or before July 18, 2009. The final three payments of $250,000 each would be payable on July 18 each year with the final payment on July 18, 2012.
So that leaves Mikey with one of two explanations: he was either lying, or he didn’t know. Either way, Mikey stuck his foot in his mouth . . . again. End of Ercikson….
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AnneR wrote: Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.
Annie
I'm truly disappointed. I was very interested to see what this would result in being. And you need to apologize for that name you called me!!! I know your mother taught you better than that!!! You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!
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| Here she comes....You know you can kick it time after time, but it will still keep going with that stupid bark and will keep biting at your ankles.
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AnneR's only challenge every day is to remember where her front door is......
I didn't mean that Annie, you've come a long way since the days of scoreboard keeping. I mean that. You almost have your own opinions now. Well, they're still Erickson's, but at least you're catching on to Mikey's opinions....
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Well, aynkm, this is a disappointment. I was so hoping you would rise to AnneR's challenge, but you couldn't. You're underwhelming. You know why?
We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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And barking, and barking, and barking.....
YAAAAHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!
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areyounotkidding me wrote:
AnneR
I compared you to my doggy earlier. Now I've been down this road before with you. You now have shifted into the chihuahua phase. You know those dogs: really has nothing to bark about, but will continue barking long after the time to stop has passed.
That's AnnieR...
In other words, you cannot meet the challenge. Thank you for once again proving for us all what a fraud you are.
Are you proud of him "High School Mommy?" He was offered a free shot and didn't take it. What a coward you friend is.
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| Times a wastin'! I would think someone who's as smart as you would have come back by now. Don't disappoint us....
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AnneR
I compared you to my doggy earlier. Now I've been down this road before with you. You now have shifted into the chihuahua phase. You know those dogs: really has nothing to bark about, but will continue barking long after the time to stop has passed.
That's AnnieR...
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