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And perhaps you should think about the issue at hand:
We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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You might be right, so let's go in this direction instead:
Why is it important to you to cover up the fact that Diane Douglas funneled more than $20 million in taxpayer dollars to her political supporters. It is the crux of this issue, yet you never have addressed it . . . or at least in a logical and reasonable way. Answer that in an adult way, and I'll make this deal with you: I will not respond to what you say in that post at all. Now remember, it has to be adult and logical. No name calling, none of that stuff. Break the agreement and I'll be all over you like ugly on you wife.Last edited on Thu May 14th, 2009 08:52 pm by AnneR
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Mommy
How does it feel to have a friend like Annie? You know what they say, "Birds of a feather flock together".
Perhaps you should think about that.....
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When are you going to out me?
So lets talk about this: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 08:47 pm |
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| Annie now there is simply no call for that and you know it. You know better, I know you do!!!
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| You're right. I wouldn't understand, mostly because you speak gibberish and the rest of us speak English. Right douche bag?
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AnneR wrote: Remember my pet name for you? You got very angry at that.
Oh AnnieR, there is nothing you could do that would make me angry. It's like yelling at my doggy. You wouldn't understand if I did.
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As usual, you're wrong.
And BTW, when are you going to out me?
So lets talk about this: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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SometimesRational wrote:
AYNKM doesn't like women. He likes to pretend he is one...but he doesn't like them.
Another poster, Dana, says he is a woman. I don't think so. She also called aynkm a dick. I think she's right about that.
So, what do you think of Diane Douglas funneling more that $20 million to her political supporters.Last edited on Thu May 14th, 2009 08:43 pm by AnneR
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I must agree with High School Mom, Compadrecita, you need to get some nuevo material. I think even your gang of ruffians are getting bored with it. You need to go to Erickson and say, "Mikey, I need an information transfusion. It doesn't have to be close to the truth, of course, just something I can spew cause my last spew is getting old and moldy".
I'm sure Mikey will help you out.....
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areyounotkidding me wrote:
Now, Mommy, I know you didn't mean that. Oh wait, that was AnnieR....your ears must be burning because I was just saying good things about you.
Mommy may not have, but I certainly did.
You know I've been watching this the last couple of days, and I got to tell you aynkm, you disappoint me. You offer nothing in your posts. I think the people calling you a dick last night are on to something, but then again I knew that a loooooonnnnngggg time ago. Remember my pet name for you? You got very angry at that.
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| AYNKM doesn't like women. He likes to pretend he is one...but he doesn't like them.
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Silly person. My heart rate hasn't increased at all since this thread began. You wouldn't know this from personal experience, but when you have the truth on your side as I do, it is very comforting. No need to create any new personalities to district or bury the real issue, which is this:
We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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| Now, Mommy, I know you didn't mean that. Oh wait, that was AnnieR....your ears must be burning because I was just saying good things about you. Last edited on Thu May 14th, 2009 08:36 pm by
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High School Mom
Sorry to see you go, but I understand.
I see you're talking to yourself again. Do you have a hard time keeping up? When you're high school mom, are you the dominant one? You know, the one on top?
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MOMMY
You need to calm down and not let this stress you so......Don't worry, I'll be here for you, Compadrecita.....
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NEWS FLASH to Apache Mom. I'm "on line" right now, and so are you. Does that mean you and I are the same person?
I refuse to bicker and banter with you, but I will tell you for the last time, I am not AYNKM. I know you don't believe me, but - guess what??? I don't care. You are not worth my time. I'm DONE, DONE, DONE with this forum. I was hoping we could converse as adults, about issues that are important to all stakeholders in the PUSD community, but we've somehow lost the original intent of this topic. There is no way anyone can communicate logically with you and Dana/Nada and Peoria Teacher and Peoria Dad and AnneR. The continual cut/paste string is beyond irritating. ENOUGH already. I'm signing off for good. Doesn't mean you "won" -- it just means I'm sick of you. Over and out.
No, it doesn't mean we're the same. But it does mean I'm much smarter than you. You see you never discussed anything. What you have done is whine. There are facts to deal with. Read them. Prove them wrong, if you can.
Of course, if you could prove them wrong, you would have done so already. But you've no doubt called Diane and know that what's posted here is the truth. Otherwise you or aynkm or any of the other thousand personalities you post under would have had that information up in a second. Instead you to try to distract, obfuscate and generally do everything you can not to deal in the reality based world.
So move on. I know you won't. You must follow your master Diane's orders to distract from the truth as much as possible. And if you want to hold a "grown up" conversation, then talk to your "friend" and fellow narcissist aynkm because he's the guy who hijacked this thread and turned it into what it is. Aim your b**chy responses there.
Now lets talk about this, if you have the intellectual capacity to do so: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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High School Mom
Sorry to see you go, but I understand.....You do have to be a bit off to continually converse with people like Apache Mommy, but I do enjoy it......
Why, cause she's my COMPADRE!!!
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What happened to your little army of supporters, Compadre?
I was really proud of AnneR. She actually stated an opinion about something.....can't remember exactly what it was, but, hey, baby steps for her....
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And I am 100% sure you don't know what you're talking about. And thanks for posting the definition of hear say and proving my point once again.
And let's face it. We all know you're the one creating new characters to either agree with you or distract from issue you don't like -- like the fact that Diane Douglas is a liar and is corrupt. It's your MO, and you've been caught. Man up and own your failure.
So lets talk about this: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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NEWS FLASH to Apache Mom. I'm "on line" right now, and so are you. Does that mean you and I are the same person?
I refuse to bicker and banter with you, but I will tell you for the last time, I am not AYNKM. I know you don't believe me, but - guess what??? I don't care. You are not worth my time. I'm DONE, DONE, DONE with this forum. I was hoping we could converse as adults, about issues that are important to all stakeholders in the PUSD community, but we've somehow lost the original intent of this topic. There is no way anyone can communicate logically with you and Dana/Nada and Peoria Teacher and Peoria Dad and AnneR. The continual cut/paste string is beyond irritating. ENOUGH already. I'm signing off for good. Doesn't mean you "won" -- it just means I'm sick of you. Over and out.
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If I had heard the information I have been presenting from a third party, that indeed would be hear say. Fortunately, what I have is witness testimony, if you will. Big difference.
HUH? Apache Mommy - Would you mind if I retract my statement that you have some semblance of intelligence.......cause this is just plain silly.....
Most compadres are intelligent. I am thinking seriously of revoking your title as compadre.
And, by the way, Peoria Daddy would just as soon you stop this seeming obsession you now possess with this whole thing, wouldn't he? He is the individual who is doing the stop this thread thing....I am 98.6% sure of this......just like I am 98.7% sure of who you are in real life, Apache Mommy. But, don't worry, until I am 100% sure, there will be no outing.
Dictionary: hear·say (hîr'sā') 
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- Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
- Law. Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony
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Really aynkm, now you spring out High School Mom? She's not exactly a font of wisdom or reason (then again, none your personalities are). Her contention that many of us are the same person is projection at its best. The last time someone denied being more than one person was when Paula Cohen did it, and then got caught in the lie.
Well, "Mom (wink, wink)," the trouble is none of you can refute what I continue to post. And by the way, you (in your aynkm personality), stipulated to these facts. Since you believe him 99 % of the time, how come you don't agree to that? And why is it that you only show up when aynkm is online. Now, grant it, I know multiple people can be online at the same time, but you are NEVER online when aynkm isn't.
And I will continue to post this information because we know that the only reason you and all your personalities continue to come here is to try and bury these facts. I won't let that happen. No go call the webmaster. The question is, which one of your many personalities will make the call?
So lets talk about this: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is nil.
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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop posting the same comments over and over and over again (I said "please") You've made your point. Time to come up with something new because we're not buying into this one, Mom/Dana/Teacher/Peoria Dad/Jimbo/Etc. Indeed, had we believed you in the first place, you would not have to post it over and over and over again. Do you not get it: We don't believe you. And - as for posting the same comments over and over and over again - what the heck is with "420_time"?? Post it ONCE -- not the same comment TWENTY times. Perhaps webmaster needs to cancel this forum, too? Shame on you, Apache Mom (and all of your evil alter-egos). I thought we were adults, participating in an adult conversation, but apparently that's not an option for some of you. AND - I'm NOT kidding -- I am NOT AYNKM.
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My goodness, you do like to paint yourself into corners, don't you. First, I proved you to be a liar based on you post last night, and now I will prove you stupid based on your post below.
If I had heard the information I have been presenting from a third party, that indeed would be hear say. Fortunately, what I have is witness testimony, if you will. Big difference.
So lets talk about this: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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areyounotkidding me wrote:
http://portal.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Governing%20Board/Document%20Library/2009/Board%20Mtg%20Information%20Packets/April%2014,%202009%20-%20Board%20Mtg%20Info%20Pkt%20-%20LARGE%20FILE%20-%20150%20PGS.pdf
VERSUS
but facts that cannot be disputed, and based on the word from at least one member of the PUSD EBT board. That same person also verified, at least to me, that the information that has come out is accurate.
Dictionary: hear·say (hîr'sā')
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- Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
- Law. Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.
The term "witch-hunt" is often used to refer to similarly panic-induced searches for perceived wrong-doers other than witches. The best known example is probably the McCarthyist search for communists during the Cold War,[2][3] which was discredited partly through being compared to the PEORIA SCHOOL DISTRICT IN PEORIA, ARIZONA . SHEEP TOOK THE ONESIDED VIEW OF A BLOGGER AND TRIED TO SMEAR THE GOOD NAME OF A GOOD, HONEST MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL BOARD ; MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WISELY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE SHEEP'S AGENDA WAS AND SHEARED THEM FOR THEIR WOOL.[2]
I know sometimes the truth is hard to fathom, Mommy, but what you have presented is only hearsay, I am the only one who has presented relevant facts and backup. I thought we covered this earlier. You need to start to pay attention in clase, senorita....
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Fine with me. But creating new characters to either agree with you or distract from issue you don't like -- like the fact that Diane Douglas is a liar and is corrupt -- is your MO.
So lets talk about this: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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Mommy
If you want to think I'm Truly and High School Mom, that doesn't hurt my feelings one bit because they are obviously very intelligent folks. But when you start accusing me of being this Heywood Jablowme character, I think that is way out of bounds and if you continue with this, I will not be calling you compadre any longer because this will be breaking the code of the compadre.
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Nice try aynkm, but I'm not the lying SOS on this board who needs to cover their tracks. That distinction belongs to you alone, which is probably why this is year another personality of yours that you've thrown into the mix.
Now, what was the subject of this thread? Oh yeah: We've put up the facts, the problem you, aynkm, have is that you cannot refute them, dance around them or spin them in any way to favor you.
Here are facts not in dispute, and as stipulated to by aynkm (Cousin It, or any of its many personalities -- like trulyunbelieveable and High School Mom) -- itself:
Fact: every member of the VSIT management is a member of the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: each of them have contributed to the Pachyderm Coalition.
Fact: The Terminally Corrupt Diane Douglas once served as treasurer and then secretary of the group.
Fact: The Pachyderm Coalition was the single greatest contributor to Douglas's campaign.
Fact: The amount the Pachyderm Coalition donated to her campaign just happened to be the total the VSIT members donated.
Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it Cousin It?
While the agreement voted on by the governing board says PUSD gets to keep its reserves, the reserves themselves are controlled by VSIT. PUSD has NO say in how this $20 million in taxpayer money is used. Neither PUSD or any of the other school districts involved no longer earn interests from their reserves, which in the past has allowed them to keep their health costs lower. Simple 5% interest on PUSD's reserve alone is significant, and throw in the other three districts and it is massive. Now, none of that money goes back to the districts. Instead it goes to VSIT. So, really, exactly what is it that PUSD gets to keep? And lets not overlook the fact that this is a very nice return on their campaign investment.
Further, this is the EXACT deal Paradise Valley made three years ago. VSIT certainly delivered on their promised savings the first year, but in the second year of the deal PV saw its costs skyrocket by more than $6 million in the second year, and for inferior health coverage. I'll bet you right now PUSD will experience something similar next year. Care to take me up on it? I didn't think so.
As watchdogwillie pointed out, " You can try as you might, but there is no explaining away the relationship between Diane, Rick, Tom Boone, Ted Carpenter, and the ever knowledgeable Attorney Cantelme. The facts are clear."
There is no district oversight of VSIT. VSIT used to report to its member governing boards. It no longer does. The financial state of VSIT always relied on its investments, and this is what was reported to the governing boards. It has not done this in more than three years, and one has to wonder about its financial status given the downturn in the market. How, exactly, will the reserves from PUSD and three other school districts be used? None of the school districts get a say in it, and VSIT isn't telling. To say the least, that's a bit strange.
Here's more strangeness: VSIT employees pay in to the state retirement system, and all agreements between districts and VSIT are inter governmental agreements. That makes VSIT a governmental agency. Yet, according to my friend on the EBT board, when the PUSD EBT board members asked to see VSIT financials and wanted to know what the salaries of their top executives were, they were told that they would get this information only after this deal was done. So much for transparency. Does this seem remotely right to anyone?
And it makes you wonder if the entire PUSD governing board was aware of any of this before voting? I'm betting not. I spoke to one board member last week, and this all seemed new to him.
Here's another fact: had Douglas and Murphy declared their conflict this would be much less of an issue, but the fact that the real deal making here was done behind closed doors makes it one. But both of them think they're above the law, and they aren't. But it's people like aynkm (in all his variations) who give them a free pass. Watchdogwillie was right: if this was Erb or the old board, we'd be up to out eyeballs in your protests.
And here's the final fact: anyone like aynk who holds online conversations with themselves can never be taken seriously, and their ability to take part in an adult conversation, based on the postings on this thread alone, is ni
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areyounotkidding me wrote: Peoria Dad
I really think you are doing this to protect wifey - you are an interesting family, to say the least.......
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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