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Rod G.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 08:21 am |
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TSOonPEO,
As for my initial lack of a response, just let me say, I do not log into this page on a daily basis and that I am sorry that you assumed my lack of a response to your comments were anything more.
At the meeting on Thursday, I believe you heard the lawyer for the HOA give an explanation of proposed agreement that the City has offered. Then all of the current board members were given the opportunity to express if they felt the agreement was beneficial or not for the community. The fifth board member finally recused herself from the negotiations and discussions related to the water issue due to her conflict of interest.
From the tone of your messages it seems that your opinion is that the agreement should be accepted. You have the right to that opinion but did you state this opinion at the meeting?
The intent of this message thread was to help inform members of the community of the issues being discussed at meetings and the seriousness of the issues. My hope was to get more people involved so that the opinions of the community members could be heard.
As for the specific of the agreement, I can only comment on the information that was disclosed at the meeting and my interpretation of that information. I do not have a copy nor have I seen a copy of the full proposed agreement.
Therefore, based on information disclosed at the meeting:
Debt Reduction:
The City has agreed to reduce the debt to $99k to be paid back over 5 years interest free. The $99,000 sound much better than the $340,000+ debt that accrued while the City was charging us a rate of $3.20 per unit (1000 gal.) of water.
If you look at these amounts based on the amount of water used and the rate per unit cost, I think you will see an interesting result.
The current debt for water used is approximately $340,000, divide that by $3.20 current rate charged by city per unit and the result is 106,250 units of water.
Now let’s say we purchased those same 106,250 units at the 32 cents per unit rate that we were paying prior to the water issues. The total amount that would have been paid by the community would only be $34,000.
Therefore, the $99,000 reduced fee that the City is proposing is nearly three times the amount we would have paid at the old rate or nearly a 300% increase to our prior rate.
Ownership of the Well:
You state that we get our 8% ownership of the well back. However, the City has never been able to provide a signed legal document that shows the transfer of the 8% ownership of the well from Desert Harbor to the City. Therefore, we never lost that ownership. The City has tried to imply that we no longer owned the 8% in order to have leverage during the negotiations.
Reconnection to the Well:
Due to the fact that the community never transferred its 8% ownership of the well to the City, the City never had the legal right to disconnect the community. Therefore, why should the community pay to be reconnected?
If the City took it upon its self to disconnect the community based on their false information, shouldn't they be responsible for fixing it?
The new proposed $1.29 per unit rate:
The rate of $1.29 per unit is a 400% increase over the 32 cent rate that we were paying. Are you saying that a 400% increase in our bill is acceptable to you? Would you accept a 400% increase to your home water bill? Why should the community accept this high of an increase?
Proposed 10 year agreement:
The agreement is proposed to be a 10 year agreement. However, I believe the agreement also included a provision for "normal" increases as deemed appropriate by the City. This issue was not made real clear at the meeting. However, even if the provision for increases is not included, after 10 years the community would again have to enter into negotiations with the City. Would we then be facing another 400% increase?
I am not comfortable with the terms of this without further clarification.
Possible Lawsuit:
A lawsuit was discussed as a possible option to a resolution in addition to further negotiations. I believe it was stated that a new board of directors should be allowed to review the proposed agreement and then move forward. I do not believe anyone said that it would be better to spend $250,000.
Meeting Outcome:
The actual outcome of the meeting was that two board members thought that it would be beneficial for the community to accept the proposed agreement. I feel that by stating the community needed to accept this agreement or else it would be stuck with the debt and high rate is nothing more than trying to pressure and scare people into accepting their opinions.
Two opposing members stated that they would like to review the agreement and note paragraph by paragraph what they felt was beneficial for us and what was wasn't beneficial. They stated that we should continue negotiation with the City with a new board. While at the same time we should not consider this proposal as the only solution and other resolution should also be considered.
One board member recused herself from the negotiation with the City and any further discussions related to the water issue due to a conflict of interest.
My opinion:
It does not seem fiduciary to allow a board that is currently being recalled to enter into another legal agreement with the City? At the Thursday meeting, I heard the majority of the attending community members voice their negative concerns of this board signing any agreement.
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TSOinPEO
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:43 pm |
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TSOinPEO
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:36 pm |
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Why no update on yesterdays meeting, Rod G.?
Here's my take on things:
The city offered:
1. An elimination of all but $99,000.00 and allow that to be paid off over a 5 year period, interest free.
2. We get back our 8% ownership of the well.
3. We get re-connected to the well at no charge. A charge that could have cost a considerable amount.
4. A non-potable rate of approximately $1.30 per unit (1,000 gal).
5. A 10 year renewable deal.
Certain members of the board (not all) feel that this is not good enough, and think it better to spend around $250,000.00 to sue the city. What happens if we lose the lawsuit? Who gets to pay the full $350+ thousand in debt. Plus any accrued debt during the time it takes to pursue the lawsuit? Who gets to pay over $3.00 per unit on water, and lose our 8% in the well? Us, yay!
This doesn't sound like sound fiduciary responsibility to me.
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Rod G.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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Did the meeting have to be Thursday at 4:30pm? (Today)
Why couldn't it have been scheduled on another day at a better time?
How about at another venue? The Rio Vista Recreation Center has meeting rooms that could be rented for such an important meeting.
Again, the board president does not appear to care about the opinions of the entire community or they would have made it a point to scheduled this meeting at a more appropriate time.
Why didn't they mail out a letter for this meeting? They felt it was important enough to send out a "letter" last month to downplay the recall and the ballot issues.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 02:45 am |
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Or, perhaps, the Forum has its own events scheduled for later in the evening, as is stated in the notice.
You also probably think that the government staged 9/11.
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Rod G.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 05:57 pm |
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Once again, the Desert Harbor board President and other members of the Desert Harbor Board have chosen to ignore the majority of the community.
They have scheduled a special meeting to discuss the possible water settlement between the community and the City at a time that will most likely conflict with the work schedules of the majority of the people within Desert Harbor.
Mr. Pingerelli (the board President) continues to show a total lack of respect for the community. Mr. Pingerelli and others on the board would rather schedule a meeting to discuss a settlement that will finacially affect every homeowner for years to come while the majority of us are at work. Other than the forged ballots and Recall, this is the the largest issue facing the community.
Below is an email that I received notifying me of the official meeting time.
If you are a homeowner within Desert Harbor, please adjust your schedules to allow for you to attend this meeting.
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From: CurrentsEditor@aol.com [mailto:CurrentsEditor@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:02 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Desert Harbor Update: Special meeting Thursday about lake water issue
Desert Harbor Updaters,
There will be a special Open Board Session this Thursday (June 25) from 4:30 - 5:30 at the Forum.
The topic will be the proposed water settlement with the City of Peoria.
This time and date was the only one available as the room is booked all other times Wednesday and Thursday of this week. All Desert Harbor residents are invited to attend. Please pass this information along to any of your neighbors who may be interested in attending.
I just received this notice from the Board and was asked to pass it along to you.
Jim Ferguson
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 06:05 pm |
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I have said it before and I'll say it again.....Why would anyone want to buy a home in an area that is dictated by a HOA? I know the initial idea of HOA's was that they would actually IMPROVE the lifestyle of its community by providing certain amenities, keeping the area looking nice, etc. Is it worth the hassle? I would venture to say that 90% of HOA's are corrupt to say the very least. In a way, they remind me of worker unions; They have outlived their usefulness and now only deteriorate those governed by them.
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Rod G.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 11:15 pm |
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As I read the letter from the board that was sent out this past week, I had to laugh. This board never seems to surprise me.
As I predicted they are continuing to deny any involvement with the fraud. They also continue to not take any responsibility for their lack of response of formally investigating the issue. They continue to say that they didn’t receive an affidavit from the concerned homeowners until the 30th, so they did not take any action until then. I continue to say to them, as soon as any allegation was made of voter fraud, the BOARD should have made the issue its number one priority to investigate it. If I were on the board, I would have made it my priority to confirm it or assure there was no fraud. I personally would never have had to wait for a group of concerned homeowners to provide me with the proof. I would have been collecting the evidence and investigating it myself. As a board member, I would have wanted to know who felt that it was necessary to commit fraud to alter the board elections.
The board continues to play off the 2008 fraud as a non-issue because it didn’t affect the results of the election. The point of looking into if the 2008 voter fraud should be of interest to the board simply because fraud was committed. The fact that there was voter fraud in the past two years of elections should be investigated because of the pattern of voter fraud that seems to plague this community.
Rather than do what they were elected to do, they have taken it upon themselves to consult attorneys, paid for by the home owners, to support their lack of action in investigating the voter fraud.
Why are we paying for them to get legal counseling to support their failure to perform the responsibilities that they were elected to perform?
The board continues to act in an irresponsible manner and is failing to act in the best interests of the community. The recent letter mailed out by the board and signed by Mr. Pingerelli only perpetuates the irresponsibility demonstrated by this board.
Again, they spent the homeowner’s money to mail out a letter seeking public apathy and support. They paid for the legal support with our money and now they are asking for apathy and support from us as they irresponsibly spend more of our money.
I understand that we need to take the proper steps to officially remove the board either through voluntary resignations or recall. However, I feel that a crime has been committed against the homeowners of this community. That crime needs to be investigated by law enforcement and the guilty person or parties should be prosecuted.
I personally feel that a board member committed the fraud and that the remaining board members were either complacent with it and/or they have used their positions to cover up the problem. They seem to be guilty of either being accessories to the crime itself, or accessories to the crime after the fact. A preliminary handwriting analysis (performed by a certified specialist) does indicate that it is possible that the certain board member may have committed the fraud. However, additional handwriting samples should also be reviewed.
I believe that all the board members and Rossmar employees should submit additional handwriting samples to confirm or to eliminate suspicion or guilt. If they fail to comply with the request, legal action needs to be brought against them to subpoena addition handwriting samples. If the current board members remain on the board, I feel that additional legal action should be taken to put an injunction against them to prevent them from continuing to take actions that we feel is harmful to the community.
The board’s failure to respond to the allegations of fraud and their failure to be open and truthful regarding the circumstances that brought the community into the water predicament with the City leads me to ask why we should trust them on any issue as representatives of this community. I feel that every contract that they have sign should be brought into question and reviewed.
Why did they appoint a person from the same sub-association as another board member to serve on the board when our CC&R’s state that no two board members shall serve from the same sub-association at the same time? Why would they also allow the same person run for election at the same time that another board member of that sub-association was already serving? The board will claim that this person has every right to serve on the board because she also owns property in different sub-association. Again, they consulted attorney’s on our dime to say that it is within the rules and laws. Even though her primary residence is directly neighboring another board members home, they have twisted the rules and laws to suite their purpose of holding control of this community.
I have to wonder what is driving this board to remain in power and protect their position. The positions that they hold are volunteer positions. They should not be receiving any compensation. This makes me wonder….. Are they taking something under the table? What other illegal activities might be covered up? Why would they fight investigating voter fraud? Why sweep the past voter fraud under the rug? Why the apparent cover-up? Are they protecting someone or one another?
They obviously are losing more and more community support every day and yet they continue to consult lawyers that are paid for by the homeowners. Why are we paying for them to get legal counsel? Why did the community have to pay for their letter mailed out community wide seeking apathy and support?
I don’t have the answers, but I want them. Do you want answers too? Please show up that the Forum tomorrow (Tuesday, June 16th at 6PM) and ask your questions. We as a community deserve answers. If the board can’t give us the answers, please stand with your fellow neighbors as we ask for their resignations or petition a vote to recall them!
I hope to see you on Tuesday at the meeting!
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Rod G.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 06:28 pm |
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Please allow me to forward on another message to the community:
IMPORTANT YOU ATTEND As you know, our four friends sent out a costly letter to the community, disguised as a meeting notice. Oddly, the only one that has been sent in years. The letter, actually an attempt to defend themselves, was filled with half truths and lacking in relevant facts.
It is apparent that the “board” will have a good number of supporters at Tuesday night’s meeting (6pm at the Forum). It is imperative that the “board” sees up close and personal the reality of the dissatisfaction the community has with their activities and decisions. Please, plan to attend. It may be a good idea to park in the boat ramp area adjacent to the Forum, we don’t want to disrupt their normal operations any more than necessary.
These people (the "board") continue to betray the trust we originally placed in them. They continue to show bad financial judgment. For example, the notice we all just received could have been sent as part of the recent quarterly billing statement or it could have been done as a self mailer or ever a postcard. But no they printed a letter, stuffed and addressed a #10 envelope and used first class postage. At a minimum including labor they could not do that mailing for less than $1,300. A postcard would have been in the mail for around $425. Unless Rossmar donated their time and the printing cost, a substantial amount of our dues money was wasted. Wasted at a time when the “board” implemented a 20% increase in dues for the second year in a row.
Join us tomorrow evening.
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Rod G.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 12:49 am |
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I am forwarding along this message:
Saturday June 13, 2009
Desert Harbor Resident,
This Tuesday, June 16 is an important day. The fair vote committee will present a petition requiring a removal vote of certain members of the Desert Harbor Board of Directors. (AZ State Statutes 33-1813) You and other members of the community have agreed that the time has come to vote for a change in our HOA leadership.
If you want to participate when the committee presents the petition, put a note on your calendar, an entry in your PDA, or a string on you finger. Tuesday at 6:00 PM is the time. The place is the Forum, 2nd floor,
large meeting room. As there will be many in attendance, please car pool, or park just north of the Forum property in the Desert Harbor east boat ramp area.
Your attendance is not required on Tuesday to present the petition, but it is important that you do participate with your vote to keep or remove the board when you receive your mail in ballot or participate in the special board meeting with in 30 days. We will inform you of the date and time of that meeting.
Thank you for helping the fair vote committee with this effort.
The petitioners talked to many Desert Harbor residents. A number of homeowners voiced concerns about our huge dues increase, lack of security and other items that contradict or where not included in the Board of Directors Meeting notice mailed to each homeowner this weekend.
Over 90% of the residents that were approached with the petition approved of the action. A large number of your neighbors were not at home when the petitioners were in your neighborhood. It is important that they also understand what is happening so that can make a decision to support this action. Please ask them to get involved by coming to the Tuesday meeting and more importantly by mailing in a ballot or voting at the special board meeting that will be called for the removal vote.
This is a historic meeting for our association as it will require the Board to call for a special meeting within 30 days so that all Desert Harbor residents can vote to remove them and concurrently install a new Board.
Again, If you want to participate when the committee presents the petition, put a note on your calendar, an entry in your PDA, or a string on you finger. Tuesday at 6:00 PM is the time. The place is the Forum, 2nd floor, large meeting room. As there will be many in attendance, please car pool, or park just north of the Forum property in the Desert Harbor east boat ramp area.
For those of you that have never been to the Forum, it is located on on the east side of the lake along Desert Harbor, just come to the main entrance which is the one in the center of the facility. Once inside take the left hall way to the elevator and go up to the 2nd floor. The large meeting room is straight ahead.
Thank you,
Your neighbors from the Desert Harbor Fair Vote Committee…
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Rod G.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 11:33 pm |
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Enunfisenuf,
Please come to the meeting tonight at the Rio Vista Recreation Center this evening (Thursday June 4th at 6PM). I think you will find several other home owners their that are also tired of the corruption that seems to be the norm of the existing board.
We need the support of a large number of home owners to demand that things change. Let's just say that the board members were elected by a few (along with forged ballots) but we will need many to regain the power.
I feel that there are more home owners that want things in our community to change than the board is aware of. We all need to stand together and make a stand against them.
Thank you,
Rod
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 11:03 pm |
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Rod G.,
I would join with you and other concerned homeowners to help you if I knew that you were out there working on trying to make the board members accountable. I am aware of why the security and other services were canceled and why our association fees have been increased, and I asked the board about what could be done to reduce or eliminate this enormous debt owed to the city. The response was similar to that I received regarding the portion of Thunderbird the city needed from Desert Harbor.
I have dealt with the city of Peoria before regarding other matters and I ran into a wall. City officials insisted that because of laws, rules, regulations, etc., they could not and would not make any changes.
If you and however many other homeowners are part of a group that is interested in trying to negotiate with the city and with trying to get the board members to better negotiate with the city, I look forward to meeting you. It's obvious you have more ideas for how to handle our issues than does anyone on the board.
E.
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Rod G.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:20 pm |
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Enufisenuf,
I understand your frustration with the current Desert Harbor Association’s situations.
However, by not attending meetings and not voicing your opinions only plays into their hands. If no one holds them accountable they will continue to run the Desert Harbor Community into the ground.
You noted your disapproval of the canceling of the Security Service. Are you aware that the Security was canceled due to the fact that the HOA is so far in debt to the City that they had to cut the security service in order to save money? They can no longer afford to pay for it. Landscaping and Lake Services have also been cut back because of the increasing debt. Soon you will start to see plants going untrimmed. The lake level is also way below where it should because the HOA doesn't want to pay the high water bill.
It seems as the current board would rather continue to cut services to the community than to negotiate a settlement with the City that actually would benefit the community.
You state that you heard someone on the board say that you can't fight City Hall. Why should they fight City hall at this point? They seem to just give into anything the City wants. This may have something to do with the fact that the Mayor of Peoria's wife serves as the Desert Harbor Vice President. Why would she enter into a fight her husband or into a fight that may cause negative political responses to his career?
As far as the fraudulent ballots in recent elections, someone felt that it would be beneficial to the community to forge at least two ballots so that the board would remain in power or to prevent others from being elected!
The board did not even want to look into the forgery until we, concerned home owners, presented a sign affidavit declaring the signature to be a forgery to the board. Come on!!!! Do we really want a board that is so wrapped up covering up stuff that they won't even look into allegations of a fraudulent ballot? Should they want to know more than anyone else? They should have been the first group to look into the allegations. They should have been contacting law enforcement and the Attorney General's Office to ask for a formal investigation. They have done neither. All that they seem to have done is to seek out lawyers that the homeowners pay for.
I have to wonder why they refuse to investigate? Who actually forged the ballots? Was it a board member? Was it someone else directed by a board member? Was it an employee of the management company?
These are all valid question that need to be answered. However that answer that we get from the board president, Mr. Peter Pingerelli was, and I quote from and email that he sent to Mr. Jim Pellicotti (another home owner and the person that was not elected due to the fraudulent ballot):
"After the election, you and a group of people met twice with Rossmar and they detailed to you how the votes had to be taken and how the election must be conducted under both State law and our own documents. You did not directly notify the Board that you had a question about a specific ballot.
You and several others spent hours on two separate occasions, after dropping into Rossmar's offices unannounced, and Rossmar provided you with all of the ballots to look at as well as copies of material you requested. So, Rossmar has, indeed, responded to your requests on two separate occasions. In fact, Mrs. Leigh, at Rossmar, told you, that by State law, the Board had to have a legal document proving the fraud in order to act and suggested to you that you obtain an affidavit. She provided you with all of the information you needed in order to pursue this matter.
It should also be noted, that it was explained to you and the individuals who went to Rossmar, that the 2008 vote supposedly cast by the Forum had no impact on the election as the number of candidates was identical to the number of positions open. Disqualifying their 130.5 votes would have had no impact on the outcome of the 2008 election.
Members of the Board have expressed that the concentration be on this year's election, the results of which have been corrected, and that policies and procedures be put in place so that it will not happen again."
I was one of the other home owners that requested to look into the ballots that Mr. Pingerelli refers to. Several emails we sent to board members concerning our concerns. Rossmar, did in fact respond and we were able to setup the first meeting that we had with them. However, the group did show up at the offices of Rossmar on the second occasion. This was because multiple phone calls and messages went without response.
So from Mr. Pingerelli’s statement, should we understand that he and the board doesn’t care about past fraudulent ballots because he feels that it didn't change the outcome of the past election? Do they not care that there has been fraud?
Should we also understand that now that he and the board were presented with an affidavit of the fraudulent ballot from this year’s election, that the board will now and only now take steps to prevent it from happening in the future? I would have thought that the board would have had concern and investigated it as soon as it was indicated that a fraudulent act may have happened.
The board's response to the fraudulent ballots is to take out the fraudulent ballots and then recount the votes even though requests have been made for a completely new election. By doing this the board will keep their seats on the board and only have to change out one member that was elected by tallying the remaining votes. That member is Mr. Jim Pellicotti.
It now appears that the board has planned a meeting to formally instate Mr. Jim Pellicotti on Thursday, June 4th. This meeting is to be held that the Forum in the Living Room. This meeting seems to have been planned to purposely conflict with a meeting planned by a committee to investigate the unfair voting processes that seem to have been allowed by the board and Rossmar. This meeting is scheduled to be held on Thursday, June 4th at 6pm also. This meeting will be held at the Rio Vista Recreation Center.
Board members were aware of Fair Vote meeting prior to scheduling their conflicting meeting. However, while reading farther into the board president, Mr. Pingerelli’s email, it appears that the board will try to use Mr. Pellicotti’s involvement with the Fair Vote Committee and his quest for fair elections against him. Please see the following quote from Mr. Pingerelli’s email:
Which takes priority for you? Is it The Fair Vote Committee which represents a small minority of the DH membership, or the Desert Harbor Homeowners Association represented by the Board of Directors and on which, by the very fact that you placed your name in candidacy, you agreed to serve?
Are you willing to work within the Board to solve problems, including election concerns, or are you going to remain outside of the Board? That decision needs to be made by you immediately and you need to notify the Board of your decision now that you have placed your agreement to serve in question.
It is also apparent that you will be in town and you are available.
Every member of the community deserves the answer to, "Are you going to serve on the Board of Directors and accept the fiduciary responsibility of Board members or are you going to work with a committee that is working to change the Board to which you were elected?" You cannot be on both the Board and the Fair Vote Committee without compromising your fiduciary responsibility to the membership.
It is your choice. It is apparent from your email that you have made that choice. However, the meeting will be held as scheduled. If you change your mind you will be welcomed as a Board member. If you choose not to attend, it is reasonable to assume that you do not wish to be on the Board.”
Mr. Pingerelli’s comments seem to represent that he and the board would rather continue to cover up the voter fraud situation and deal with it behind closed doors.
He insinuates that Mr. Pellicotti’s quest for fair elections in conflict with the duties required by the board. Isn’t it the fiduciary responsibility of the board to ensure fair elections? Why would this be a conflict?
I for one cannot stand by and let these issues go unknown to the community.
What every member of the community disserves is for the board of directors to perform the fiduciary responsibilities that they were elected to perform. If the current board is unable or unwilling then they should resign immediately!
I ask you and every other home owner to step up and attend the meetings and take the power back from these people. This board was elected by the people in elections that are tainted by fraud! Stand along other home owners that would like to see this board resign.
Sincerely,
Rod
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 08:15 pm |
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I don't like hearing about the possibility of forged ballots and I despise that our association fees were raised while services, such as the 24-hour security, were eliminated (and seems to have resulted in an increase in vandalism and other property crime), but at least the homeowners' association board members are actively participating in and care about the community.
I went to quite a few meetings previously and found that no member of the board nor any of the other homeowners cared about my concerns (perhaps the only way to have one's voice heard is by being elected to the board). What will attending a meeting accomplish if no one cares what you have to say or cares about your issues?
As to the "ongoing water dispute", one of the board members at a prior meeting many months ago said something to the effect that "we can't fight city hall". This isn't related just to the well but also to the city's plans for Thunderbird Road and the area at about 91st Avenue. At a previous meeting, one of the board members said that the city's original plans did not include taking any portion of Desert Harbor.
However, once the city had begun construction, someone determined that more "land" would be needed to widen Thunderbird and include a sidewalk. The city, said a board member, offered Desert Harbor $12,000 for this additional square footage, a price the city was unwilling to negotiate. Had the Desert Harbor HOA Board not agreed to sell this portion of land to the city for $12,000, the city was simply going to take it and give Desert Harbor nothing, the board member said.
I see no reason why the city would not continue to behave as it has toward Desert Harbor. Nor do I see a reason why the board would not continue to behave as it has toward community residents. In the past, despite opinions to the contrary, the board approved rentals in Desert Harbor, and I have no doubt that this trend, along with increased assessments and elimination of services, will continue.
So long as the people who own homes and live here are powerless in the face of the board and so long as the board is powerless in the face of the city, I see no reason for having a homeowners' association or paying assessments. Like other parts of Peoria, perhaps the HOA should be eliminated. Within a few years, this once-pristine area will resemble a dump.
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 10:50 pm |
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I am sorry for the multiple post on this subject. There appears to have been an issue with the web site.
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Rod G.
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 10:44 pm |
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*** Attention Desert Harbor Homeowners ***
*** Board Elections tainted by Forged Ballots **
If you have not attended a Desert Harbor Homeowners Association meeting recently, please consider attending the next meeting that is scheduled for June 16th at 6PM at the Forum retirement facility.
At the past annual board meeting, elections were held to replace two board members. However, after it was made public that a ballot was recorded for the Forum that counted as 130 votes and changed the outcome of the election, several concerned homeowners request to recount and review the ballots.
Upon review, it was determined that the ballot cast for the Forum was in fact invalid. It was determined that the signature on the ballot was not the true signature of the Forum's Executive Director as the ballot indicated.
With additional concerns, we requested to know if a ballot had been recorded for the Forum in last years election. There had been a ballot recorded. This ballot also appears to be forged. It has a signature of the former executive director at the forum. He has not worked at the Forum for 4 years.
With this information, I ask you to please attend the next meeting and join a group of concerned homeowners we seek answers to this situation. Several homeowners would like to see the resignation of the entire board and to have new VALID elections performed.
Maybe if we had a board that actually was concerned with doing what is right for the community, we might also get a resolution to the ongoing water dispute between the community and the City of Peoria. This dispute has resulted in an increase to your annual due to help cover the increasing $300,000 plus debt that the community now owes the City.
Again, please attend the next Desert Harbor HOA meeting to be held on June 16th at 6PM at the Forum.
Thank you
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