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starleen wrote:
Sanity checks and revisits to the past are never a waste of time!

I have a lot of optimism for my own situation, for the next year anyway, as I am working in a defense program that is funded through the end of the year. Everyone on my program is working full steam ahead as if the program (part of our missile defense system) will not be "dismantled" by Obama as he stated a few years ago. Those comments were before his no-doubt sobering security briefings as President, which seems to have given him a new outlook on life in America.

I waited out the crazy market and recently bought a home that is just right for me, for a bit less than what it cost to build (according to the woeful builder). Seems like in the long run, I can't go wrong there. And I'm in it for the long run. It was not a foreclosure or short sale - I lost patience with those. That was like shopping in a pawn shop, profiting from other people's misery. And the delays!

I won't be retiring for another 10+ years, but I worry about my sister and her husband, who retire in 4 years. Their prime investment is their home of 20 years, and they are watching the value dwindle away. They bought a parcel of land in southern AZ to move to and enjoy the peace and quiet, but it's within view of the Mexican border, and I worry about that too.

As for general optimism about the country's future - as long is there is free discourse and freedom to dissent, I suppose things will be OK. I worry most about the global warming issue - because I don't believe that there is a global warming issue, yet so much public policy is riding the coattails of a phantom.

I've been a PollyAnna all my life, but lately every silver lining I find seems to tarnish.

 


Sounds like you are in a good place in your life. Good for you! My circumstances are very similar to yours therefore I shant bore you with the details.

I do tend to concern myself with things that I can do something about and do what I can. Things that I can't do anything about usuallt do not reside on the front burner.

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The good thing B, his is only one of nine voices on the Commission. Even with a recommendation one way or the other, the BOS can choose to ignore that recommendation.

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Oh yes.  And one more thing I would like to announce, especially for the benefit of two groups:  First, the people who own property along Hunt's J curve area. The one's that Mr. Ed. Guerra turned to those poor owners and to me as I was sitting with them, and accsused us of bringing in commercial and put US down in a public meeting.  And Mr. Gordon Brown sat behind him and supported Mr. G. Then Gordon, Ed and another guy went outside afterward and laughed and joked about the meetings outcome, which was the turning down of another request for commercial along the J curve.  Those people were insulted and are again insulted as they have now been made aware that the guy laughing at them was our new planning and zoning director.  He will hold their future in  his hands, and they are very angry.

The County paid $4. a sq. ft. for 3.7+ acres for one of those lots we just spoke of, just east of the J curve, for their drainage purposes....a good and necessary move on the County's part.  But before they purchased it, the County wanted to hire an appraiser to determine the fair value and highest and best use....which turned out to be the $4. a sq. ft.  $4. a sq.ft. determined by it's highest and best use.

The second group that needs to be aware is the Group, lead by Gordon Brown, that fights any commercial that wants to come to the J curve area, and now we have to include the Planning and Zoning Commission and BOS.  I have those negative comments on the emails sent to me by these people and also the verbal comment made to me in front of Bryan, where Gordon stated he didn't like me cause I bring in commercial to the area.  Yet he was still appoiinted for P and Z.

I have been given hell by these people, both on blogs, emails, in an audience, in public places and in the newspapers......these resident's anger have been directed at me for years for maintaining that position that commercial is the most appropriate use along the busy hiway.  They even approved of one (SanTanFlats) and that turnd sour, because of their lack of understanding in determining stipulations for commercial.

So, not only did the Appraiser appraise that land at $4. a sq. ft. ($700,000) where other similar properties "off the hiway" are being offered for $150,000. , but he also defined the highest and best use for the property along Hunt:  And here is is.   Hold (speculation) for investment or REZONE TO COMMERCIAL.  Residential is not a viable choice.

Finally I have been vendicated after all this time.....and so has San Tan Flats.  Yet we have endured hell from the opposition.  So listen up Gordon, as you will serve on the Planning and Zoning Committee when it comes before you.....the change from residential to commercial, based on "experts" advice, so if you make contact with your friends up there, once you're a public servant,  to work out a "plan" of resistance,  then you will be "off" the P and Z as fast as you got on it.

Vendication.  How Sweet it Is.  The truth will set you free.  I can't wait to let the property owners know they have not lost their property rights to the neighbors or to the County.  They are inherent.  And yet, watch.  There will still be a fight as to what goes there.  I say we should meet ahead of time, get it zoned commercial with the right stipulations, and be done with this illegal spot zoning process that Gordon has been promoting and using and that is costing the County thousands and thousands of dollars to obstruct, based on only a few constituents.

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I just want to give this little "ray" of hope for the market.  I say "things" are happening and it's the beginning of the "wave" of confidence, being propelled by supply and demand.  Whew.  That came out all right after all.  Let me explain why I'm hopeful

We placed an offer on a home that IS NOT IN FORECLOSURE or SHORT SALE in the Foothills.  In the front foothills by Ellsworth, then up on an 1.25 view lot.  Anyway.....it was listed at a fair price, not at a "depressed price", with a view that won't stop.  You saw a glimpse of it (the view) in one of my pictures.  The buyers fell in love with it, offered slightly under the asking price and it was accepted.  Everyone so far is joyful about it, but the inspection period is still ahead....I'm still hopeful.

Then I go home, turn on the tv. and hear how bad off we are out here.  Or I come on here and witness many of you saying "it won't work". I say we are in the process of a healiing as supply and demand comes into play with the reduction of inventory and we should accept the fact that it is going to be a "slow" climb to recovery.  It's happening.....exhaust the present low priced inventory and the market will correct itself, as there are still people out there that want to buy a nice home...not necessarily treated as an investment.  The govt. is just trying to help the impact of the fall, but we have fallen and now it's time to start getting up and back to business. 

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2 cents wrote: Terribly sorry starleen for wasting your time. I guess I'm just a bit more optimistic than you but that is alright, we each are entitled to our own opinions. I prefer to think that there is hope rather than thinking there is none and I'm not accusing you of thinking there is none, just stating my optimistic view.

Is there anything that excites you about the future?

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Sanity checks and revisits to the past are never a waste of time!

I have a lot of optimism for my own situation, for the next year anyway, as I am working in a defense program that is funded through the end of the year. Everyone on my program is working full steam ahead as if the program (part of our missile defense system) will not be "dismantled" by Obama as he stated a few years ago. Those comments were before his no-doubt sobering security briefings as President, which seems to have given him a new outlook on life in America.

I waited out the crazy market and recently bought a home that is just right for me, for a bit less than what it cost to build (according to the woeful builder). Seems like in the long run, I can't go wrong there. And I'm in it for the long run. It was not a foreclosure or short sale - I lost patience with those. That was like shopping in a pawn shop, profiting from other people's misery. And the delays!

I won't be retiring for another 10+ years, but I worry about my sister and her husband, who retire in 4 years. Their prime investment is their home of 20 years, and they are watching the value dwindle away. They bought a parcel of land in southern AZ to move to and enjoy the peace and quiet, but it's within view of the Mexican border, and I worry about that too.

As for general optimism about the country's future - as long is there is free discourse and freedom to dissent, I suppose things will be OK. I worry most about the global warming issue - because I don't believe that there is a global warming issue, yet so much public policy is riding the coattails of a phantom.

I've been a PollyAnna all my life, but lately every silver lining I find seems to tarnish.

 

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Terribly sorry starleen for wasting your time. I guess I'm just a bit more optimistic than you but that is alright, we each are entitled to our own opinions. I prefer to think that there is hope rather than thinking there is none and I'm not accusing you of thinking there is none, just stating my optimistic view.

Is there anything that excites you about the future?

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2 cents wrote: 2 cents wrote: I think there is a plan in the works similar to what you describe in your middle paragraph. Can't say for sure. I'll have to do some looking.

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try this site for some info,

2 cents wrote: 2 cents wrote: I think there is a plan in the works similar to what you describe in your middle paragraph. Can't say for sure. I'll have to do some looking.

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try this site for some info,

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSHKG1567720080919?rpc=63

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That was bait and switch from last September. Paulson, Bush's Treasury Secretary, was given the $700 billion TARP money by Congress as a blank check, even though the intent of Congress was the toxic-debt buy off. the intent was what temporarily lifted the stock market's spirits.  Paulson decided that wouldn't work, and inject half the money directly into the banking system, and banks promptly secured that money for their own survival rather than passing the benefits on to loan-holders. Poof, taxpayer money up in smoke.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Henry-Paulson-US-Treasury-Backs-Off-Toxic-Debt-Bail-Out/Article/200811215150284?lpos=Business_First_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15150284_Henry_Paulson%3A_US_Treasury_Backs_Off_Toxic_Debt_Bail-Ou

"Mr Paulson said it had become clear that purchasing troubled assets "would take time to implement".

"The US has decided instead to opt for direct purchases of equity in banks in a bid to get credit flowing again..."

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2 cents wrote: I think there is a plan in the works similar to what you describe in your middle paragraph. Can't say for sure. I'll have to do some looking.

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try this site for some info,

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSHKG1567720080919?rpc=63

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He is right.  The short sales presently are reducing at a quick pace, as I have posted before on here.  We are putting in offers out here in Johnson Ranch, that are for $80,000, for a home purchased in 06 for $250,000.  That home had 8 offers on in on it, including mine from Canadians, as foreigners are buying them primarily.  So understand, that most of these homes will be occupied by renters.

We have a lovely home in Magic Ranch for $50,000., sold for $150k 2 years ago.  That will be gone shortly.

Few homes are being salvaged by their owners because of the huge descrepancy between the loan and the present value.  The $250k house I mentioned above has a mortgage of $185k.  There is no hope for that person.  With a 5 year original loan on it, even if they reduce the payments thru Obama's plan and give that person a 30 year loan, they still have to pay off the "old loan" at the end of the original term....5 years the $185k is all due and payable thru a balloon.  So it just buys time like ARMs have been doing for years.  And hopefully that home's price has escaleted up to at least the $185k within those 5 years.  But at that point, they must sell and they will probably receive no equity....just ended up being a long term lease imo.  I say get rid of it if you are in an antideficiency State as there will always be a buyer for an REO.  Shed the rediculous debt (buyers are waiting in line) and start preparing for qualifiying to buy in about two years.

It's all about supply and demand and the realtors are out there with plenty of offers on all these homes, which has reduced our inventory to the place that bidding wars on here.  An all cash buyer will fare much better than one who needs financing.  Realtors are talking about this all over the Valley, but mostly in the very depressed areas like J.R. area.  The Market is self correcting based on foreclosure sales.

Our buyers are getting tired of being turned down, because someone (realtor) always seems to get to the home the minute it comes on the market.  It's like they are waiting by the door for the lockbox to be placed.  So buyers are asking us to look for homes "not in short sales or foreclosure." These types of buyers are owner occupants.  Now you're talking.  The demand is increasing as the supply dwindles, so prices will go up soon.  Be happy when you read that builder home starts are down as that means the supply is dwindling.

Villager.  Just ask us.....we live out here.
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i found this gentleman's post quite interesting and though provoking... would love to hear opinions on this from others...

 


 


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Obama's $75 Billion Impact on Queen Creek and Investors
Obama's $75 Billion Impact on Queen Creek and Investors
Posted 2/18/2009 11:48 PM MST on EastValleyTribune.com





If Obama's $75 billion really does what it's intended to do then Queen Creek (and other outlying areas) may be significantly affected.
 

With homes prices cheaper than dirt--really, look at some lot prices in Queen Creek and compare them to homes listed in Johnson Ranch--the Pinal County portion of Queen Creek is a target for investors. When you couple the nearly-guaranteed positive cash flow and real potential for appreciation in the next 5 years, you have an investment that's as safe as $260,000 in a bank account. (The FDIC insures up to $250,000.)
 

 A 4 bed, 2 bath home for $70,000 can cost an investor $500/month with a 20% down payment. Likely rents are $800/month...do the math. It's an easy decision for the savvy, willing, and able investor.
 

With Obama interjecting his plan into the QC mix, these deals could quickly vanish. Why? Simple supply and demand. If the rate of foreclosures diminish, so does the supply of REO's. And since there is almost zero new home building in Queen Creek the total supply of new inventory could come to end. Well, not completely. There will always be the overpriced inventory. But the viable listings will be relatively few for a while.


The equation is pretty simple: Less foreclosures = less inventory/supply = increased demand
 
Here's where it gets a little sketchy. There are two main options on how the $75 billion will be used. 


Option A - Subsidize monthly payments/cash flow then the home still retains with the same mortgage balance. If the homeowner tries to sell the home he will still be competing against the remaining deals for a period. Because of a shorter supply the home's value will appreciate but not likely (at all) to the point where he could break even on the sell. Result: The market quickly returns to normal inventory (typically a 6 month supply) and home values instantly increase by 10 - 20%. Sound unrealistic? Well, take that 1600 square foot home that sold for $70,000 in February and now sell it for $50/square foot (it can't be built that cheap) and that's $80,000 for an increase of 14%. An investor can still make a positive cash flow on an $80,000 house. That's only another $2500 down and an increased monthly payment of $50.


Option B - Lower the principal or a combination of principal reduction and subsidized payments. The potential problem here is now that homeowners have less debt in their homes they are more likely to sell them (and get the heck out of The QC) which creates more inventory again which, in turn, decreases values. But REO's will still sell faster than the present rate so the inventory will ultimately decrease.


If B occurs then QC's long haul gets quite a bit shorter but the return to normalcy my be a couple of Q3's away. If A is the way, then REO's will be gobbled up by years end and home prices begin to return to their insured replacement cost.
 Many assumptions are made above but know that if Obama applies the brakes to the foreclosures and you are trying to determine the right time to invest in The QC, you better choose now. Because your window of opportunity is very small (it was small in January) and before you know it it's 2004-2005 all over again with multiple bids on each REO (there already are) and you've missed the boat. Have fun in Casa Grande.

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I think there is a plan in the works similar to what you describe in your middle paragraph. Can't say for sure. I'll have to do some looking.

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Info Only. I thought it was an interesting article that might point out a misstep in the releif plan - not considering mortgage and home insurance. Maybe Bambi can verify the math. And I hadn't realized that the "better deal" would expire in 5 years, if the article is true.

But as for how I would have liked to see the foreclosure issue handled, I thought the idea where the goverment would buy up toxic sub prime properties and resell them to lower risk people was a good idea. That cuts out the middle man (the banks) and has a way for the goverment to recoup the investment. And meanwhile, at least the government would have some sort of security for the debt. But I guess bigger brains decided that wouldn't work, although I never heard rationale why.

With this plan that was just passed, the lenders are being paid nonrefundable incentives to manipulate bad debt and delay the inevitable. 5 years from now when the loans revert back to high interest, de ja vu.

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And so, starleen, is this just information or do you have a better idea?

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It's a PITI -- Why Obama's Mortgage Plan Doesn't Work

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/government/piti----obamas-mortgage-plan-doesnt-work/

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“For a sample household with payments adding up to 43% of his monthly income, the lender would first be responsible for bringing down interest rates so that the borrower’s monthly mortgage payment is no more than 38% of his or her income. Next, the initiative would match further reductions in interest payments dollar-for-dollar with the lender to bring that ratio down to 31%. If that borrower had a $220,000 mortgage, that could mean a reduction in monthly payments by over $400. That lower interest rate must be kept in place for five years, after which it could gradually be stepped up to the conforming loan rate in place at the time of the modification. Lenders will also be able to bring down monthly payments by reducing the principal owed on the mortgage, with Treasury sharing in the costs.”

The monthly payment on a $220,000, 30-year mortgage, assuming an interest rate of 6%, would be $1,319. On top of that, the typical borrower would have to pay about $660 for taxes and insurance each month for a total payment of $1,979. If that were 43% of income, it would mean income of about $4,600 a month or $55,200 a year (which is higher than the $50,200 median household income).

HASP pre-supposes the mortgage loan term will be extended to 40 years -- which has its own set of costs to the borrower.

Since the tax and insurance piece of the monthly payment is fixed, only the principal and interest payment can be reduced and would have to come down to $767 a month. To bring the mortgage payment down to that level, either the interest rate would have to be slashed -- not merely cut -- to 2.8% or the loan amount reduced to about $140,000. That low rate would remain in effect for five years

The arithmetic offered in explaining the plan doesn’t work: the new payment would have to be $552 a month lower, far more than the $400 promoted in the plan. It would require even a greater level of taxpayer funds than the President suggested.

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I have a parcel number - definitely not in Coolidge City limits. Must be general rural - I guess I better do some research!

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Do you have a Pinal County Parcel number, or are you in the coolidge city limits?  If you have a pinal parcel number like this made up one for an example: 511-05-443, which refers to book, map and page, and your inPnal's unicorporated area, and you live on 1.25 acres, you then have GR zoning....general rural, which I posted the ordinances on another topic.  Coolidge probably has their own zoning codes.

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Bambi wrote: starleen wrote: Gee, don't I feel stupid for buying a house last year. Should have waited for the handouts.
I think you still got a good deal and made a wise decision.  Lots of peace and quiet for you.  Are you zoned GR?


Me too; that was a joke. I'm just feigning bitterness. ;) I was a bitter renter for 4 years of housing boom and now I am a bitter buyer. You need to quit following me around the posts and insisting that I stay positive!!!

What is GR zoning? My place is:

Primary Use:
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Category:
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starleen wrote: Gee, don't I feel stupid for buying a house last year. Should have waited for the handouts.
I think you still got a good deal and made a wise decision.  Lots of peace and quiet for you.  Are you zoned GR?

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Gee, don't I feel stupid for buying a house last year. Should have waited for the handouts.

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2009 Economic Stimulus Bill Benefits




for




"First Time Homebuyers"




(Signed into law today, 2/17/2009)




Hot off the press -




Here's another GREAT incentive for those thinking about purchasing their "first" home to do so in 2009. And, remember, a first time homebuyer is defined as a buyer who has not owned a home for 3 years. They don't have to be someone who has never purchased a home!!  




For eligible first-time home buyers who purchase a home after Jan. 1, 2009 and before Dec. 1, 2009, the stimulus bill provides for a refundable credit equal to 10% of the purchase price of the home, up to $8,000.

And, yes, unlike the credit provided last year, this first-time home buyer credit does NOT have to be repaid, unless you sell the home or it no longer is your principal residence within 36 months of purchase.


The new $8,000 credit begins to phase out for individuals with incomes over $75,000 or married couples with incomes over $150,000 filing jointly.

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Pinal County Press Release




For Immediate Release Contact: Joe Pyritz




February 18, 2009 (520) 866-6057




Heather Murphy




(520) 866-6057




Pinal County’s Tax Lien Sale Takes Place Thursday, February 26




Online Auction Will Sell Tax Liens – Not Property!




FLORENCE – County Treasurer Dodie Doolittle says she always looks forward to the




online tax lien auction held yearly by her office. For a number of years, the Tax Lien




Sale was attended by purchasers from all over the country and it got to a point that Pinal




County did not have a facility large enough to hold everyone.




“It’s always a busy time of year for our office,” Doolittle said. “This is the third year that




we have held the auction solely online and so far it has worked out well each and every




time.”




While Doolittle prefers people would pay their property taxes, she says her office is




bound by law to hold the auction.




“Under the Arizona Revised Statues, we must hold this type of auction,” Doolittle




pointed out. “Proceeds from the sale of delinquent taxes are distributed to taxing




authorities to provide operating revenue that otherwise would not be collected.”




This auction is only for the tax lien of the property. While many have the impression that




they are bidding on real property, Doolittle said only the money owed on the delinquent




taxes is up for auction. The liens are on property with taxes owed since 2007.




“That is a common misconception,” Doolittle said. “All the people are bidding on is the




interest that will be collected on the delinquent taxes. We begin the bidding at 16 percent




and the lien is awarded to the lowest bid which in some cases could mean zero interest.




Doolittle said the holder must hold the lien for three years before going through the steps




to foreclose on the property. If the property owner pays the back taxes, then the lien is




cancelled. The lien holder receives the money they invested, plus the interest accrued




from the time the lien was purchased.




For those interested in learning more about the online auction, the Treasurer’s Office has




a demo bidding page on the county website for registered bidders to practice placing bids.




You can find all of the information about the process and the properties available for bid




at http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/Treasurer. There will also be a public notice of



properties available in the
Florence Reminder.

To become an eligible bidder a person must fill out a registration form, a W-9 form and provide a $500.00 deposit. Once that is completed, the person is eligible to participate in the sale and will receive a log-on I.D. and password.

 


 

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azcats_01 wrote: Mortgage applications surged last week as a growing number of homeowners took advantage of lower interest rates to refinance their home loans.

The Mortgage Bankers Association said its seasonally adjusted application index jumped 46 percent for the week ended Feb. 13. It is the highest reading since Jan. 16, and coincided with a 0.2 percentage point drop in average 30-year mortgage rates over the past week to 4.99 percent, according to the MBA.

The increase was due mostly to refinancing of mortgages, with the index of those loans climbing 64 percent for the week. The gauge of loan requests for home purchases rose 9 percent, the MBA said.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/02/16/daily32.html

Oh I can feel that wave of confidence beginning to hit.

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Mortgage applications surged last week as a growing number of homeowners took advantage of lower interest rates to refinance their home loans.

The Mortgage Bankers Association said its seasonally adjusted application index jumped 46 percent for the week ended Feb. 13. It is the highest reading since Jan. 16, and coincided with a 0.2 percentage point drop in average 30-year mortgage rates over the past week to 4.99 percent, according to the MBA.

The increase was due mostly to refinancing of mortgages, with the index of those loans climbing 64 percent for the week. The gauge of loan requests for home purchases rose 9 percent, the MBA said.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/02/16/daily32.html

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My boss was just up here talking about home auctions in some neighborhood near McQueen and Guadalupe. He was saying there was a recent auction for a 5,000 sq foot house on a golf coursewith a starting bid of $50,000. And no one showed up to bid on it.

Is that too good to be true or is this really happening?

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azsunshine wrote: I don't think the good ole boy network would be still in play if Todd House was elected  :X


Are we speaking about placing Gordon Brown in P and Z?  I raised my voice of dissapproval to Bryan when he first mentioned it to me.  I still dissapprove.  But, as I said before, Bryan and the other Supervisors have the last word.  It's our job to get to them, not P and Z, and plead our cause.  Attend the P and Z Meetings, and see how Gordon operates.  If he is good at his job, then Bryan made a good decision.  If not, he will go, thru popular support.

Doesn't really matter anymore.  He is now a Public Servant.  He has to perform to a higher standard now, as we will all be watching with expectations.  He is working for us, the people, now.  We will be wanting him to communicate with us, an act he has unfortunately failed at in the past.

Bryan:  Therefore, as a matter of public record, I as a taxpaying resident, do not want him serving on other citizen advisory boards or on/with George Johnson of GSTAC.  To me, that poses a conflict.  Could you please subsitute him with a citizen whose name will be provided by the citizens out here as a good representative of our needs?

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No, it's a complete different George. This one has served on the Commission for many years. As for Gordon Brown, won't he have to give up GSTAC? That's a very good question. It will be interesting to see what other comments will be from Supervisor Martyn.

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Discussion/approval/disapproval of acceptance of the resignation of George Johnston from the Planning and Zoning Commission effective February 3, 2009. (Sheri Cluff)


Is this the George Johnson of Johnson Utilities?  Who appointed him and when?  To me, this is a travesty of justice that he was ever appointed...if it's the one and the same. He lives in Scottsdale.  He is in litigation with the residents. 

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If this is true about Gordon being appointed to the Commission and that he will be deciding what goes out here and what doesn't, then I would be posing that question to Bryan.  He understands my position on that.  Gordon not only holds the GSTAC position with my adversary and the people's adversary, George Johnson, but also holds the position of being on the Committee out here in the San Tans that represents us.  He may hold other positions with Developers of his choice and developer attorney's to which he sends updates to, and he may be entwined with the people in Florence County Govt.  My understanding from some employees who's names I will not mention, that he is getting into everyone's face down there.  That will be Bryan's mission to discover if that is occuring.

Let the people speak.  I have spoken to Bryan about how I feel.  He will still factor in my opinions....I'm confident about that.  He and his comprades have the final word, and it won't always agree with P and Z.  Gordon is only one among many.

 

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County website, BOS agenda, item QQ.

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2 cents wrote: B, perhaps you know, is Gordon going to give up his GSTACK seat when he becomes a Commissioner?

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Where did you hear that he is becoming a commissioner?  Are you stating he is/has been appointed to the planning and zoning commission?

 

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B, perhaps you know, is Gordon going to give up his GSTACK seat when he becomes a Commissioner?

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In your example the people had nowhere to go. That was what prompted my suggestion of the delay. While everyone is figuring out who holds what note the evictee has a roof over their head if only for a short while. In the mean time perhaps ftheir fortune will change. I've heard that it is easier to find a job if you are clean and presentable at the interview.

Thanks B,

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2 cents wrote: Not arguing Bambi but if it is inevitable why not try to delay it?

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Debates are arguments....arguments not loaded with insults, but with information and questions.  Yours are always that way 2.
It's all about doing the right thing.  Why delay it if you don't have a job to pay any amount of a mortgage?  Just allow them to live free?  While others are borrowing from their parent's 401k's to make the payments?  While others are selling their precious items to raise money for the rent?  Others in two jobs to make ends meet?  If they have extenuating circumstances, like they became blind during the ownership or disabled, then there are organizations out there that can assist them.  But to sit in a home they can't pay for for free by using that tactic just doesn't seem right to me.  They don't really want the Note.  It's just a stall.  They CAN"T QUALIFY FOR A NEW LOAN....period.  They only qualify to rent. Given time under their belt, they will once again be able to qualify for the Promise to Pay, which is what a Note is.   Do the right thing.  They've had plenty of time to prepare for it.

No freebies, unless for all of us.  That's what's fair imo.

Sorry; that's the Republican side of me coming out.  I've had people default on my Notes in the past, for non payment.  So I ended up suffering, while they went on their merry way, breaking their Promise to Pay, and finding another place.  It works both ways.  People like u and me own those notes.  They are the ones who suffer....not the lender.

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Not arguing Bambi but if it is inevitable why not try to delay it?

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 Renegotiating the mortgage is not why so many are being foreclosed upon.  It's because they are unemployed.  No job.  No renegotiating, as they no longer qualify.  Simple as that.  If you are going to put a demand letter to the lender to produce the Note, you better be sure you are qualified to recast that mortgage.  You better have a job.  One that supplys the right ratios. 

I was in court the other day (JU "stuff") and a young lady with 5 children was there, trying to fight the efforts of the Lender to vacate the property.  She lost her husband and her job, but "The law is the law".  The lender agreed to give her 5 more days.  The judge upheld it as he must uphold the law. 

In order for foreclosure to happen, they must be at least 3 months behind in payments.  That means they have been living there free for 3 months.  It usually takes 6 months before the foreclosure process happens on the front steps of the Pinal County Courthouse.  Now they have had 6 months of free rent.  Most people who are in stress and are struggling to make payments don't have that option.  So, some people will try to take advantage of the system, only delaying once again, the inevitable. 

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Bambi, ever heard of the "Produce the Note" strategy?

Rep: Foreclosed owners should squat in their own homes

If you're poor and the bank is coming for your home, Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur has a plan for you.

Just squat, she says.

Yes, this Ohio Democrat is actually encouraging her financially distressed constituents whose homes have been foreclosed upon, to simply stay put.

In a Friday report, CNN's Drew Griffin explored the case of Ohioan Andrea Geiss, whose home was foreclosed upon in April.

"Behind in payments, out of work, a husband sick, she had nowhere to go," said Griffin. "So, she decided to follow the advice of her Congresswoman and go nowhere."

In Lucas County, Ohio, over 4,000 properties were foreclosed upon in 2008, reports CNN.

"So I say to the American people, you be squatters in your own homes," said Congresswoman Kaptur before the House of Representatives. "Don't you leave."

She's called on all of her foreclosed-upon constituents to stay in their homes and refuse to leave without "an attorney and a fight," said CNN.

"If they've had no legal representation of a high quality, I tell them stay in their homes," Kaptur told Griffin.

Kaptur is a high-profile advocate of an increasingly popular mode of fighting foreclosures best known for it's key phrase: "Produce the note."

By telling a bank to "produce the note," a homeowner can delay foreclosure by forcing the lender to prove the suing institution is actually the same which owns the debt.

"During the lending boom, most mortgages were flipped and sold to another lender or servicer or sliced up and sold to investors as securitized packages on Wall Street," explains the Consumer Warning Network. "In the rush to turn these over as fast as possible to make the most money, many of the new lenders did not get the proper paperwork to show they own the note and mortgage. This is the key to the produce the note strategy."

And Friday's segment on this growing foreclosure fighting "movement" was not the network's first. Earlier in January, CNN explored one person's strategy in demanding her bank "produce the note," only to find that the lender had "lost or destroyed" the evidence of debt ownership. Such a revelation can significantly strengthen a homeowner's position when asking to renegotiate a mortgage.

 http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/Rep_Foreclosed_owners_should_squat_in_0130.html

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Question about foreclosure policy:  Does the Lender have the right to possession prior to foreclosure?

Answer:  Probably not.  The general rule is that the lender has no right of possession until the completion of the foreclosure sale, unless the lender"s security interest in the home is in danger.  See A.R.S.  33-703.  In other words, if the home is abandoned and there is the potential of vandalism or other damage to the home, the lender may have the right to take possession of the home prior to the foreclosure sale.  That's why if you are going to walk from your home and live elsewhere, it would behoove you to call the lender and "surrender" the home and the keys to him, thereby turning responsibility over to him.  They will then come and change the locks. Now you have no legal access.  But you are still the legal owner until the substitution of ownership occurs via the foreclosure process.

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FYI: 

 


 IF YOU ARE WRITING A CONTRACT FOR A PROPERTY THAT IS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY HASN'T BEEN OWNED FOR MORE THAN 91 DAYS THE BUYERS CANNOT PURCHASE THE HOME THROUGH AN FHA OR VA LOAN.  FHA & VA IS NOT APPROVING LOANS IF THE HOME HASN'T BEEN OWNED FOR AT LEAST 91 DAYS. THE CONTRACT MUST BE WRITTEN ON THE 91ST DAY NOT BEFORE.

 

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By MIKE McINTIRE

Published: January 17, 2009

At the Palm Beach Ritz-Carlton last November, John C. Hope III, the chairman of Whitney National Bank in New Orleans, stood before a ballroom full of Wall Street analysts and explained how his bank intended to use its $300 million in federal bailout money.

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Talking Business: In Search of One Bold Stroke to Save the Banks (January 17, 2009)

 

"Make more loans?" Mr. Hope said. "We’re not going to change our business model or our credit policies to accommodate the needs of the public sector as they see it to have us make more loans."

As the incoming Obama administration decides how to fix the economy, the troubles of the banking system have become particularly vexing.

Congress approved the $700 billion rescue plan with the idea that banks would help struggling borrowers and increase lending to stimulate the economy, and many lawmakers want to know how the first half of that money has been spent before approving the second half. But many banks that have received bailout money so far are reluctant to lend, worrying that if new loans go bad, they will be in worse shape if the economy deteriorates



You Must See and Hear This Video of Bankers discussing what they intend on doing with the TARP MONEY 

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At the Sandler O'Neill East Coast Financial Services Conference in November, bank executives discussed their plans for some of the billions of dollars given out under TARP.

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When the new home business bounces back, buyers' will be able to choose their own lenders without the fear of losing incentives.  Here is a link to the new HUD rule and comments regarding this change in how incentives may be used. 



 
http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg.....alrule.pdf

Effective with contracts written 16th January and after; builders can no longer tie in incentives and seller help with the use of an affiliated lender and title company.

Barton Shapiro, deputy director for HUD’s office of RESPA and interstate land sales, says that HUD “does not interpret RESPA from prohibiting anyone from offering incentives. It limits tying an incentive to using an affiliated lender. HUD believes customers will use (affiliated lenders) if there’s real value.”

In its broadest sense, the statute is designed for consumer protection and to encourage shopping at the earliest stage of the transaction, Shapiro says. Among the comments that HUD received when it was reviewing the law was that the discounts offered to borrowers using affiliated lenders were made up in higher costs elsewhere in the process, and that borrowers were put into more expensive or riskier loans.

“What goes on currently with these incentives is that they are tying the sale of the house to the use of affiliates so people will be dazzled and won't look elsewhere,” Shapiro says. “There’s no real way to see if there is a benefit. … We needed a de-linking of the marketing of the house from the use of affiliates if we were ever going to encourage shopping for mortgages.”


 


 

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These same people will shut down that project.  Dissolve their corporation. Open another corporation and  be back in business in no time.  Happened in the 80's.  Will happen again.







 
In Arizona, a $103,000 Shack1:41
As WSJ's Michael Phillips reports, a shack in Arizona with a $103,000 mortgage helps explain the economic mess we're in.

The 2008 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report™, which shows a total of 3,157,806 foreclosure filings — default notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions — were reported on 2,330,483 U.S. properties during the year, an 81 percent increase in total properties from 2007 and a 225 percent increase in total properties from 2006. The report also shows that 1.84 percent of all U.S. housing units (one in 54) received at least one foreclosure filing during the year, up from 1.03 percent in 2007.

Foreclosure filings were reported on 303,410 U.S. properties in December, up 17 percent from the previous month and up nearly 41 percent from December 2007. Despite the spike in December, foreclosure activity for the fourth quarter was down nearly 4 percent from the previous quarter but still up nearly 40 percent from the fourth quarter of 2007.



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List of Homebuilders in financial trouble:

http://www.azre.gov/PUBLIC_INFO/Documents/Homebuilders_In_Trouble.pdf

Also, just got notice that Classic Stellar Homes filed Chapter 7 this past week so they are not yet on that list.  There are probably many others as well.  Depressing...

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Credits for business.  THis should help the business community feel a tad better.

At the same time, lawmakers departed dramatically in one area, jettisoning the incoming administration's call to give a $3,000 tax credit for each new job created by private companies.

and this one:

Businesses would be able to reduce their taxes through a provision that expands their ability to write off current losses again past profits, and by accelerating the depreciation of new plants and equipment.

and of course the tax cuts.

cuts of $275 billion over the next two years

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I'm being optimistic I guess. If it were offered to everyone, it would be a windfall.

Good for the Stimulus bill amount.  Just keep printing that money.:)

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It hasn't passed yet, but no doubt will.  I wasn't able to post the link, but I'll try again.  If no link is below, you'll see the article on yahoo news front page.

House Democrats propose $825 billion stimulus bill:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_go_co/obama_stimulus;_ylt=AtzbjHurrLTd4e7hvWJL8AfZa7gF


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Thanks for letting us know it passed.  Now we begin our upward motion.  Every realtor should make a rider that states that credit.  There are alot of first time homebuyers out there.  Think about all the high school graduates and college graduates entering the work force.  They all have to have a place to live, and usually their credit has not had a chance to become "damaged" so they are gold bricks.  I'll have to check and see if it applies on the Rural Loan program out here, that pretty much allows them to close with nothing down.  Does that mean they get $7500. in their pocket?  I'll have to check.

It's the beginning of the positive feelings that will change our depressed attitudes, which is a must.

For comparison reasons; soon our feelings will begin to rise to a higher level of confidence.  It will be like you've been sleeping in your bed, because of depression, all day as you don't have a job anyway, so sulk.  Then the doorbell rings and a man stands outside with an envelope.  He gives you the envelope.  You open it and discover a check for a million dollars.  All of the sudden, your demeanor changes; you almost collapse as the rush of endorphins overwhelms all your senses, and you once again feel you are stable and can spend all that money you've been hording in case you lost your job.  Now, we're back on track....produce and consume....that's how the free market works and will continue working only under more restraints and regulation this time.  That makes you feel more confident too.  Keep the Madoff's on a leash.

      

 

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Great job Bambi, it looks like it might happen (although only for 1st time home buyers still):

First-time homeowners also would get a break. The bill eliminates the requirement for them to repay a new $7,500 tax credit created in a housing measure that passed last summer.

Bambi wrote: Here is the Letter I am sending and who I am sending it to.

Bambi Sandquist

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January 09, 2009 09:23 AM


Senator Jon Kyl

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Subject: Include Housing in the Recovery and Reinvestment Act

 

Dear Senator Kyl,

Congress did a good thing in 2008 when it enacted the $7500 first-time homebuyer tax credit. Unfortunately, the tax credit is not generating the stimulus that either Realtors or legislators had expected. In our area, we are finding that prospective homebuyers simply see no incentive effect in a tax benefit that will have to be paid back over time. At a time when people are trying to minimize their debt loads, the tax credit is perceived as simply adding to their debt, not as providing a benefit.

A further challenge with the repayment feature is that there is literally no one who can explain the mechanics of how the credit will be paid back. No other tax credit available to individuals must be paid back. Thus, there is no precedent that would suggest a model for how taxpayers would make the payment. As the repayments will not commence until 2010, the IRS has not yet provided guidance. Thus, Realtors can provide no explanation to prospective purchasers who are reluctant to undertake a tax obligation they don't understand.

The NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS (NAR) believes that the credit would provide a more beneficial stimulus if the repayment requirement were eliminated. In addition, the credit should be available for all purchases of a principal residence and not restricted solely to first-time homebuyers. It should also be extended through December 31, 2009.

NAR's recently-released Pending Home Sales Index report for November 2008 showed the greatest decline in pending sales transactions since NAR began tracking this market segment in 2001. (The Pending Home Sales Index is based on pending sales of existing homes. A sale is listed as pending when the contract has been signed but the transaction has not closed at settlement.) This suggests that the marketplace has not yet responded to this tax incentive. This data underscores the pressures in the housing market. Presently, the inventory of available houses available for purchase is more than three times its usual level.

I urge you to include a provision in the upcoming stimulus package to eliminate the repayment feature of the tax credit, to extend the credit to all purchasers of a principal residence and to make the credit available through December 31, 2009.

Sincerely,

Bambi Sandquist

31951 N THOMPSON RD

QUEEN CREEK, Arizona 85242

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