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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 09:02 pm |
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well.....you avoided the question about where your residence is, no comment on the lead contamination and also who or what it is that gives you the right who can and cannot be concerned with their environment?
You seem to be taking a big interest in every one elses business but no one else better be involved in their community......this is Bambi's territory.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 08:46 pm |
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gk wrote: Money IS the root of all evil....sorry to see that you are so bound by it!
THe water line was put in illegally without permits, and the "Developer" tore the hell out of the mountainsides. So this is what you really stand for? Develpement, small lots, money, change for change sake. So all of your claims of righteous indignation were smoke?
The lead contamination within those water pipes that sat for months out in the open desert will be a concern for the developer and his sales in the future.
And what gives you the right to determine who can and cannot have a say in the area they call home? You apparently only see the area as a money making opportunity......at least that is what you are currently projecting.
So where is your "residence".......Sedona, here or down south.
I am astounded. No, I am livid. YOU ARE Still at it!!!!!!!!!!!
Your distortion and lack of correct information and your will to publicize it will be your downfall and that of the BLC. Yes, the water line was put in without ADEQ's blessings, but that was not a developer. That's was the installer. ADEQ has since inspected and blessed it. There is more than one developer out there, and they are small. Tearing the "hell" out of the mountain? Oh yes. Makes me very angry also. But, I'm more angry with the County as I personnally met with them about the possibility that this guy was going to tear up the mountain. Their reply to me was "nobody is going to tear up any mountain and we'll make sure of that." Oh well. didn't happen now did it. Did you meet with the County also about this gk? Did your BLC members try to stop it?
U gk are a very angry man, interested only in your own needs and not that of others, as your statements attest to. I will continue to do what I am doing for the people and for my family and neighbors. U continue your path, with a distorted vision of democracy. Best read the Constitution again.
CC: I do not know that developer on Silverdale, other than having a conversation with him yesterday. We are arranging a meeting as soon as I get back in town next week, with myself and others who own land there and will be effected by it. I am remodling a home up North for resale. Part of what I do for a living. The pulse of the others out there, is that they don't want the lot sizes reduced, but they have not seen the plans, and working together on this can offer an opportunity to "change" those plans to accomodate larger lots. They will help bring in the necessary infrastructure that we need so desperately out there as the County will not pave our roads. We must pave them ourselves, and speaking to the EPA yesterday, it will soon be a requirement of securing a building permit, that the owner chip seal (pave) the road from his house to the nearest country maintained rd. That is going to be very very expensive, and all of us will have to work together to make this happen, only working together is called collusion at the Real Estate Dept., so EPA is going to meet with the AAR, and discuss it with them, so this can be accomplished. The EPA is very adamant about this removal of dirt roads and I don't want to wait 2 years for the County to come up with a solution, so we, the people, must work together to find a way, which is what I am trying to accomplish.
It is my desire to see the people gather together to discuss these types of changes, but it should be primarily those who are directly effected by it.....300 ft. rule. Their opinions hold the most credance, not the guy in a subdivison 3 miles away, and not the BLC, or ABC or any other organization that portends to be a designated representative of the County and the effected people. Like I emailed Sandie....give the people credit for being intelligent enough to make their own decisions and call in their own people for advice. It's discriminatory for a public entity to recommend an "organized group" (BLC and SanTanPRide's people are interconnected) for advice, let alone giving the appearance of being "cozy" with this group. It should be the County and the effected parties that meet, along with any representative they choose to consult with....not one that is appointed by the County.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 08:36 pm |
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| Ted, you are not even a little bit clever
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 08:23 pm |
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gk wrote: yep
I must have struck a nerve. What is your answer in refernece to?
JJ
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 08:06 pm |
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 07:58 pm |
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I can't help but to comment on this. "gk" sounds like quite the hypocrit to me. Is it true that he does not live in the mountain area? But he wants to dictate thier lives? Pretty arrogant if you ask me. Is there even a house in that area worth $800k?
Also interested in what the "BLC" is. I am relatively new to Arizona and Pinal County and have never heard of them. Are they one of those tree hugging enviromental groups?
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 04:30 pm |
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Bambi wrote: Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to post this, as it sure has to do with the County's future, which translates into OUR future.
Today, I was driving out in the rural Santans, checking on my clients properties and checking on my properties.
I noticed a Comprehensive plan change, sign up across the street from 3 lots I own on Silverdale Rd. The applicant will also be looking for a zoning change, after this approval, so that was the biggest reason for my call to the applicant, who owns the 20 acres.
I spoke to the applicant and asked why I haven't received notice on this yet, as I am in the 300 ft. sphere of influence. I also asked him who he was working with on this. He said the County referred him to the Better Living Coalition. They are the ones he is working with on this. I said, "Why? They don't exist anymore and they don't own any property out there, and they don't know what the heck is going on out there in that area, and that I don't want another mistake like they made with San Tan Flats." He was a bit taken back as he said it was the County who referred them, and that goes for all the way to the top. I told him that if the BLC is involved, then he won't get an approval from me or any of the people nearby that I sold to, as we don't believe the members representing the BLC have our best interest or needs and wants in mind. They don't even know what they are, nor do they know how to facilitate this "big" move that will effect forever, our investments there. We, as neighbors and taxpayers, need to gather together and discuss what kind of impact this will have on us, and will they be bringing pavement or participate in the Road Improvement Plan that I am working on. They didn't even know about that.
So, I suggested to the applicant that he contact me when he's ready and I will gather the neighbors together and we, the effected taxpaying owners, will work with them on their design and plans; not people who are out of touch and have a history of "impeding" progress. We will speak for ourselves once we have studied the plans....we don't need a mouthpiece or someone else to study the plans for us. We need to come up with our own conclusions and make our own decisions, without undue pressure from others who don't even live nearby. He agreed and will be contacting me.
Now how many others is the county still referring to the BLC?
I am astounded. No, I am livid. They're Still at it!!!!!!!!!!!
I have emailed Sandie and am awaiting her answer on this.
Bambi,
Since you are so concerned and know the applicant, I encourage you to contact them, find out when and where the meeting is to be held and ask if you can attend.
Your attendance at said meeting could be beneficial to you, the applicant and maybe even the community as a whole.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 04:17 pm |
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Money IS the root of all evil....sorry to see that you are so bound by it!
THe water line was put in illegally without permits, and the "Developer" tore the hell out of the mountainsides. So this is what you really stand for? Develpement, small lots, money, change for change sake. So all of your claims of righteous indignation were smoke?
The lead contamination within those water pipes that sat for months out in the open desert will be a concern for the developer and his sales in the future.
And what gives you the right to determine who can and cannot have a say in the area they call home? You apparently only see the area as a money making opportunity......at least that is what you are currently projecting.
So where is your "residence".......Sedona, here or down south.
I am astounded. No, I am livid. YOU ARE Still at it!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 01:49 pm |
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. A residence is a place of abode. You abide in San Tan Heights. That leaves your land out there non-resident. Simple as that. You don't reside there, just like many others that own out there don't reside there. They love the land too. They can't live out there for personal reasons; i.e. can't afford it. Too much dust (dirt roads), no water; etc. They are awaiting and helping to provide for change out there that our civilization is used to...something you don't want to see happen perhaps, so keep it the same?
If you want a say out here, then move back, according to your mentality, as nonresidents don't have a say, per your statement. A non resident is a non resident, in or out of state, unless you discriminate, and that's a no no here in America. But, alas, it appears that you do discriminate by virtue of your statements. It sounds like "Only people of your character and vision have a right to call that land out there, "theirs." You hate out of town investors; I'm sure the people who live "out of town" would be very upset to know they have a neighbor that thinks that way, and if they happen to read this forum, they'll discover that soon enough.
Those "In Town/Out of Town" Investors paid for the paving of Brenner Pass, from Judd Rd. to the entrance of Unit 7/8; where your land is. You did not contribute a dime, nor did any other land occupant/resident out there contribute. But, in the future, you will have to contribute, as the Laws are going to change soon, according to my research at the EPA, and all those roads out there will have to be dust free/or paved, before a building permit will ever be issued. That edict is going to happen in the near future, so be ready to pay as per the EPA. Those same out of town/in town investors paid for the water line to be brought out there also. And, some in town investors paid toward that water line also, making it one step closer for them to come out and build their home in a safe and clean environment.
It is dangerous to "generalize" and lump everyone into the same category. Gives one tunnel vision.
We will see how much credence your word and that of your associates have here in the near future concerning these matters.......zip. Change is on the horizon. Oh Happy Day.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 02:33 am |
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unfortunately for you Bambi.......I DO have a say! I lived there for 15 years without electricity and water and only a love for the area to keep me going. I am not an investor. You know as well as I do that the $800,000 thing was for a market check and nothing more. I told you that I had interests in the property for that amount and that I still refused to sell. My honesty with you was complete!
I do have a say and I WILL voice it. I plan on retiring there and building a new home. It is NOT an investment! Out of town investors take a back seat in my book to anyone that is willing to stake their life and heart into an area that they love. Money IS NOT EVERYTHING and does NOT hold any more credence or say than anything else. GREED is the destruction of America and I am tired of others looking out for the welfare of investors.
P.S. I have NO intention of "BACKING OFF!!!!"
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 12:57 am |
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gk wrote: Bambi.....your observations about what those in the rural areas want, is motivated (in my humble opinion) by your desire for a zoning change and an oportunity to sell more properties.
Those outside entities (out of state investment owners) may in fact desire that, but to hell with them! The people who have lived there and have plavced their future on a large lot and low density deserve more than a lust for money and a profit.
Rest assured........a very, very hard fight would be in store for a change in zoning and higher density
That first paragraph disturbs me gk. Perhaps you did not read my post correctly. I am not promoting a zoning change and for you to accuse me of that without any facts to back it up is wrong. But typical of you and your BLC friends. I am promoting discussion on the reasons this property owner wants to change the zoning on his property and what the ramifications are for us who live next door. Do you own a lot nearby? If not, then back off please. It won't effect you way up in San Tan Heights, but it will effect me. And we've been thru this discussion many times, where I have told you that I prefer low density. I live on 3.5 acres. You live on a 6000 sq.ft. lot. It appears you're the one who "prefers" high density.
You, sir, are an investor out there also. Your legal residence is in San Tan Heights, not out in Unit 8. So, since one can only have "one" residence legally, that makes your acreage in Unit 8, an investment only. What's the difference between an out of state owner and yourself. You're both investors. You're both human. And, I believe you are looking for a huge return on your investment out there since you have priced your lot to sell at $800, 000. and the last lot that sold in there sold for around $250,000. ( you've stated in your post the investors have a lust for money and profit...what about yourself). Realistic gk. Just be realistic on this whole topic. And, I'm not so sure that your friends in the BLC and San TAn Pride have turned this applicant away from the hopes of downsizing the zoning. Otherwise, he would have canceled his plans to go for a change in the Comprehensive Plan. Or are you suggesting by your comments that your friends are just stringing him along?
So, by your owns words on the "lack" of property rights an absentee owner has, you don't have a say anymore gk, so zip it please. Move back into your home there, and then we'll talk, or change your views of an investors private property rights (you seem to think they have none, which means you don't either). What about the "investor" who is planning to retire there? Or the guy who is currently saving up his money to build a home on one of those lots. He shouldn't have any input on what happens in his immediate neighborhood?
I'm sorry gk, but you're just not a credible resource for life in the rurals. Run for Mayor or Supervisor, then you can dictate the policy on how people should live; where they should live; what size lot they should live on; if they have rights or not. Who to refer them to for information and advice. But, until you become a resident out here again, you have no say in this matter.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 12:22 am |
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Bambi.....your observations about what those in the rural areas want, is motivated (in my humble opinion) by your desire for a zoning change and an oportunity to sell more properties.
Those outside entities (out of state investment owners) may in fact desire that, but to hell with them! The people who have lived there and have plavced their future on a large lot and low density deserve more than a lust for money and a profit.
Rest assured........a very, very hard fight would be in store for a change in zoning and higher density
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Posted: Tue Aug 14th, 2007 11:59 pm |
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Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to post this, as it sure has to do with the County's future, which translates into OUR future.
Today, I was driving out in the rural Santans, checking on my clients properties and checking on my properties.
I noticed a Comprehensive plan change, sign up across the street from 3 lots I own on Silverdale Rd. The applicant will also be looking for a zoning change, after this approval, so that was the biggest reason for my call to the applicant, who owns the 20 acres.
I spoke to the applicant and asked why I haven't received notice on this yet, as I am in the 300 ft. sphere of influence. I also asked him who he was working with on this. He said the County referred him to the Better Living Coalition. They are the ones he is working with on this. I said, "Why? They don't exist anymore and they don't own any property out there, and they don't know what the heck is going on out there in that area, and that I don't want another mistake like they made with San Tan Flats." He was a bit taken back as he said it was the County who referred them, and that goes for all the way to the top. I told him that if the BLC is involved, then he won't get an approval from me or any of the people nearby that I sold to, as we don't believe the members representing the BLC have our best interest or needs and wants in mind. They don't even know what they are, nor do they know how to facilitate this "big" move that will effect forever, our investments there. We, as neighbors and taxpayers, need to gather together and discuss what kind of impact this will have on us, and will they be bringing pavement or participate in the Road Improvement Plan that I am working on. They didn't even know about that.
So, I suggested to the applicant that he contact me when he's ready and I will gather the neighbors together and we, the effected taxpaying owners, will work with them on their design and plans; not people who are out of touch and have a history of "impeding" progress. We will speak for ourselves once we have studied the plans....we don't need a mouthpiece or someone else to study the plans for us. We need to come up with our own conclusions and make our own decisions, without undue pressure from others who don't even live nearby. He agreed and will be contacting me.
Now how many others is the county still referring to the BLC?
I am astounded. No, I am livid. They're Still at it!!!!!!!!!!!
I have emailed Sandie and am awaiting her answer on this.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13th, 2007 01:59 pm |
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Well, Gordon Brown was in my group and Anne was in my daughter's group. Saw Bob Dotson (someone asked if he had a bullseye on his back) and Ed Guerra. Now, we know where they have stood on the issue of County govt. v.s. City govt., but they did show up and participate in this "Exploration" of our Destiny. The people that I met, which were many, were anxious to complete this exploration and get down to business, which is "developing" this community of ours into a "self-sustainng entity"....which we will be able to define as the journey continues.
If you are a member of the San Tan Heights Block Watch organization, then attend their meetings, as they will continue this journey, as will other "block watches" in other neighborhoods, exploring our options. Then, we will bring those findings back to the main meeting, to be held in the near future. If you want to find out more about this Journey, then contact Jack Malpass with the Chamber.
Rurals? Don't sit back, thinking we're not to be included. We choose our destiny....not others for us. If you want to be included, then America and our Constitution, gives you that opportunity and right. Exercise it. Contact me if you want to organize and pursue this "inclusion" with our immediate neighbors. Many already have, as they seek to improve their lifestyles, and no one can deny that. They too seek to raise their standard of living. Don't allow anyone to intimadate you by suggesting that we are not to be included. Says who? God? That's the only power I'll take orders from about how and what standard I should live by and where I should live. Those who have dictated that policy in the past, will find that they are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy outnumbered at this juncture.
At the Workshop, I learned that the majority have the same mentality that I have (most have heard my opinions on this matter) and have had for the last 10 years out here, and that we will never experience another "Stall" in progress, that has occured so often out here in the past. "Whew"........took long enough for you guys to get here.
And thanks Shaft, for your participation. Wish I knew who your were.
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I went to the Visioning Workshop as well and I did hear all the same things Bambi heard, good things.
Here's my concern: all these great ideas are compiled, but nothing is done with them.
What's the next step? Who will use this information?
Also, I'm bummed to see that Bambi had to respond to her own post. Why isn't anybody posting any comments about the meeting on Saturday? There's a lot of people who regularly post on this site (pro-incorporation or anti-incorporation) that clearly care about our future, where are you guys? Did any of you go to the Visioning Workshop? If anybody should have went it should have been GK, IR, Pipe, Anne, etc because you guys clearly care about the future of the San Tan area. Sorry, just bummed because it looks as if there's some people willing to be vocal and outspoken at their computer but they're not willing to take advantage of opportunities that could potentially help solve all the problems they have with the area they live in... Bambi, thanks for walking the walk!
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I attended the Workshop yesterday, and it was beneficial, to say the least. Unfortunately, I was late getting there coming down from the North, but made if for the workshops.
You'll be very happy to hear that there were alot of people there from all walks of life, and the ideas and suggestions from all the workshops followed the same mentality.....conservation; transportation; and the possibility of "local" control, keeping the "big" picture in mind of how the County functions to answer our needs.
My committee "leader" was an intelligent planner from Pinal named Peggy. She did a fine job of "walking" us thru this process, and assisting us in identifying our needs within our "community." Yes; it's a process, and the majority seems to want to continue "striving" for that answer.....once delineated, can we walk it alone, with the County's help? All these questions will soon be answered in this process, so if you don't participate, you lose your input, forcing you to accept others input and results.
And the others who attended? Their views on our situation out here? I spoke with several, and everyone I spoke to has the same mentality about our senario......How did we get into this mess so quickly....and it is a mess, and how do we get out of it, expediently. And, that we need local control to monitor it efficiently and quickly....not at a snails pace or have to wait till monies are allocated to our area from the large purse that belongs to the county to distribute amongst the entire population. We are sharing with other residents in other areas of this huge piece of real estate known as Pinal County.
We're getting there. We are "becoming one voice"
Did you know that one family moves into Pinal County every hour of every day? (Morrison Report),
That 24,000 people move into Pinal County, annually.
Finally. Thanks to all the planners and worker bees from Pinal County that are expending the effort and sacrifice to provide us with insight and methods of analyzing our problem. Thank you too Jerry Stabley, for your keen oversight in this process and for being there at the school on Saturday. And thank you Sandie, for your promotion of this idea and process for our little community out here.
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| Hey you guys out there. don't forget the Workshop today. Hope to see you all there. I'm coming down from the North, so i' m on my way down. Looking forward to this exchange of ideas and visions and how we can implement them into our network out here. Bring a copy of the Morris Report if you have one. I requested the booklet on it, and anyone is welcome to look and read it. Good reference as we converse and share our visions.
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August 9, 2007
Residents asked to weigh in on county’s future
Sarah J. Boggan, Tribune
Pinal County is asking its residents: “What do we want to create?” That question is part of the work being done to craft a vision for the booming county’s future as part of its comprehensive plan update — its blueprint for future growth and development.
“This is their document,” said Supervisor Sandie Smith, District 2, of the county’s residents. “That is why we’re going through so much effort. We want to find out not only what we’re missing, but are we hitting on what they want.”
A workshop in the San Tan and Queen Creek area is scheduled for Saturday at J.O. Combs Middle School and is part of a series of “Visioning Workshops” being held throughout the county. Other workshop dates and locations are available at http://www.pinalcountyplan.com.
Pinal County officials said putting together a mission statement will create a shared goal for the county — something weighing heavily on their minds as growth continues and a decision needs to be made about the county’s future.
The county contracted with The Morrison Institute for Public Policy at Arizona State University to do a study on the state of Pinal County — a springboard for discussing the county’s future. The results of the Morrison Report ask residents if Pinal County should be a “distinguishable destination” or a “McMega drive-through.”
Jerry Stabley, Pinal County project manager, said the comprehensive plan isn’t necessarily tied to the Morrison Report, but that work did get people thinking.
“We’re still out there searching for people’s ideas and thoughts and goals for the county,” Stabley said. “This is really a chance for people to share their opinions on a vision, and the plan will grow out of that vision.”
Because the continued growth in Pinal County has slowed slightly, it gives officials an opportunity to get ahead of the curve and produce a higher quality of life, jobs and transportation.
The study shows that current plans call mostly for homes, with not enough room set aside for job centers. The study also reports that half of Pinal County’s brainpower leaves to the Valley or Tucson for work.
Smith, who helped update the county’s first comprehensive plan in the 1980s, said Pinal County has an opportunity to look at undeveloped land and identify job centers.
“We need to have jobs — and more than just the retail jobs,” Smith said. “We need light industrial jobs. The more we keep people at home, the more they can stay here to contribute to their communities. That also helps with the infrastructure strain because less people will be leaving the community.”
County officials anticipate the comprehensive plan will be complete by November 2008.
Workshop
What: Pinal County Visioning Workshop
When: 9 a.m. Saturday
Where: J.O. Combs Middle School, 37611 N. Pecan Creek Road
Information: (520) 866-6465 or http://www.pinalcountyplan.com
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