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Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2007 06:38 pm |
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Sure you did or at least you inplied it ..... "How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital?"
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where is the conspiracy against the President and Vice President Never said that there was..?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2007 05:15 pm |
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where is the conspiracy against the President and Vice President Never said that there was..?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2007 01:47 pm |
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GK,
Okay .. so I read your diatribe of the sequence of events. If, and I must stress IF, this is all true then where is the conspiracy against the President and Vice President. They gave the orders ... Seems like you should be giving him credit for doing the right thing, not criticizing him. I also have to say that the chain of command takes time especially with an order that comes from the President. It is not like the President pulls out his cell phone and calls the pilot himself. I think back on how long it could take for a policy, in my prior company, to filter down to all of the employees. It took days in some instances. And that was for important information.
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I REMEMBER THE LOOK ON MR.PRESIDENTS FACE
AS HE READ A BOOK TO THE YOUNGSTERS IN CLASS
AND WAS INTERUPTED TO HEAR OF THE __________
WHAT IS IT CALLED ????
ANOTHER DAY THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY .
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gk wrote: ted.......you really are incompitent.
You need to learn how to use a search engine. A simple input of a few simple words that are pertinent to the discussion can be typed and a long list of websites comtaining what you are looking for within 1 sec. usually
Let me show you...........
go to http://www.google.com
what do you want to know.......oh say maybe what does the seismic data of flight 93 impact show.................type this into the box
seismic data 9-11 of flight 93 now click the button "search"
you will receive 371,000 results in 0.34 seconds.
Now glance through the list and quickly pull up a few sites to look at..........
crap ted.....even you should be able to do this very quickly........have someone help you if you can't manage it
You know, I could also easily give you an equally patronizing lecture about using spell check. But I will just stick with, yeah, get a job.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 11:48 pm |
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ted.......you really are incompitent.
You need to learn how to use a search engine. A simple input of a few simple words that are pertinent to the discussion can be typed and a long list of websites comtaining what you are looking for within 1 sec. usually
Let me show you...........
go to http://www.google.com
what do you want to know.......oh say maybe what does the seismic data of flight 93 impact show.................type this into the box
seismic data 9-11 of flight 93 now click the button "search"
you will receive 371,000 results in 0.34 seconds.
Now glance through the list and quickly pull up a few sites to look at..........
crap ted.....even you should be able to do this very quickly........have someone help you if you can't manage it
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 10:27 pm |
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Wow. All of that information right there available at your fingertips at a moments notice. The only way to be able to have all of that so quickly available would be to have spend countless hours reading, organizing, and cataloging thousands of pages of information. Just for the purpose of trying to convince the 10 people in Pinal County who read this site that George Bush is a mass murderer.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say:
GET A JOB YOU BUM!!!!!
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 10:17 pm |
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1) The decision to fire on a civilian plane would need inconclusive proof of what is happening. In the heat of battle nobody was willing to make that decision. Using hindsight and todays knowledge is not fair. It is purely second guessing. Would you have given the order to shoot down an airliner full of Americans?
9:55 a.m. Bush gave the order for a shoot down
The Vice President in the Bunker: 'Should We Engage?' 'Yes.'
Once airborne, Bush spoke again to Cheney, who said the combat air patrol needed rules of engagement if pilots encountered an aircraft that might be under the control of hijackers. Cheney recommended that Bush authorize the military to shoot down any such civilian airliners-as momentous a decision as the president was asked to make in those first hours. "I said, 'You bet,'" Bush recalled. "We had a little discussion, but not much."
Bush then talked to Rumsfeld to clarify the procedures military pilots should follow in trying to force an unresponsive plane to the ground before opening fire on it. First, pilots would seek to make radio contact with the other plane and tell the pilot to land at a specific location. If that failed, the pilots were to use visual signals. These included having the fighters fly in front of the other plane.
If the plane continued heading toward what was seen as a significant target with apparently hostile intent, the U.S. pilot would have the authority to shoot it down. With Bush's approval, Rumsfeld passed the order down the chain of command.
In the White House bunker, a military aide approached the vice president.
"There is a plane 80 miles out," he said. "There is a fighter in the area. Should we engage?"
"Yes," Cheney replied without hesitation.
Around the vice president, Rice, deputy White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, tensed as the military aide repeated the question, this time with even more urgency. The plane was now 60 miles out. "Should we engage?" Cheney was asked.
"Yes," he replied again.
As the plane came closer, the aide repeated the question. Does the order still stand?
"Of course it does," Cheney snapped.
The vice president said later that it had seemed "painful, but nonetheless clear-cut. And I didn't agonize over it."
It was, "obviously, a very significant action," Cheney said in an interview. "You're asking American pilots to fire on a commercial airliner full of civilians. On the other hand, you had directly in front of me what had happened to the World Trade Center, and a clear understanding that once the plane was hijacked, it was a weapon."
Within minutes, there was a report that a plane had crashed in southwestern Pennsylvania-what turned out to be United Flight 93, a Boeing 757 that had been hijacked after leaving Newark International Airport. Many of those in the PEOC feared that Cheney's order had brought down a civilian aircraft. Rice demanded that someone check with the Pentagon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42754-2002Jan26
http://www.flight93crash.com/
2) It was obvious to all of us what happened at the WTC. An aircraft hit the building and it collapsed. How did you want to investigate that? We had a nation in shock and looking answers as to how it happened not "DID" it happen. All of the material was taken to designated lad fills. If you want to investigate petition the government to allow you access to the dumps and look for your evidence that you seek.
An aircraft hit the building and it collapsed and how/why do you want to investigate that?
because many people, do not believe that 2 airliners can TOTALLY destroy 3 massive buildings.
In 1945 a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire state building
http://www.withthecommand.com/2002-Jan/NY-empireplane.html
The material was not just taken to landfill. The majority......no nearly all of it was sent overseas to be melted for scrap. Landfills cannot be searched.
Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. 1
The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2007040990859927
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050620officialstory911bogus
3) Many explanations for a trivial and completely irrelevant 3 minute difference. Possible reasons - synchronization and clerical typing error come to mind. Regardless of the reason what is the significance of the 3 minutes anyhow? Where does the scandal come into play on that?
Significance of three minutes? You can't be serious!
A great deal can happen in 3 minutes. Seismic data is kept syncronized with atomic time. Very precise, not a synchronization problem or typing error.....remember this is a legal document that the 9-11 Commision created. Also according to the bush administration the order for a shootdown was given at 9:55.
3 minutes may seem insignificant to you but they are not in a court of law
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 09:16 pm |
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GK,
Your referenced article provides no proof and only alleges that it "may" have happened. Their words not mine. Why do you give this wacko news organization the benefit of the doubt but you castigate all of the recognized new outlets?
As for your other questions it is fairly simple.
1) The decision to fire on a civilian plane would need inconclusive proof of what is happening. In the heat of battle nobody was willing to make that decision. Using hindsight and todays knowledge is not fair. It is purely second guessing. Would you have given the order to shoot down an airliner full of Americans?
2) It was obvious to all of us what happened at the WTC. An aircraft hit the building and it collapsed. How did you want to investigate that? We had a nation in shock and looking answers as to how it happened not "DID" it happen. All of the material was taken to designated lad fills. If you want to investigate petition the government to allow you access to the dumps and look for your evidence that you seek.
3) Many explanations for a trivial and completely irrelevant 3 minute difference. Possible reasons - synchronization and clerical typing error come to mind. Regardless of the reason what is the significance of the 3 minutes anyhow? Where does the scandal come into play on that?
JJ
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 09:09 pm |
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jj...............you could not have seen a video of the 757 impacting the pentagram because there is none.
The government confiscated all of the film from the security cameras and has not realeased it.
They did however release several frames of a camera at the pentagram that showed the building prior too.......and immediately after impact of something .....but no 757 and no debris.
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/bradm/911index/pentagon.html
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 09:02 pm |
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gk wrote:
Please enlighten me, as I am too damn stupid to know the answers.
You answer your own question right here. Thank you for providing the last word on this topic.
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gk wrote:
Please enlighten me, as I am too damn stupid to know the answers.
You answer your own question right here. Thank you for providing the last word on this topic.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 08:53 pm |
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jj.....perhaps yours and teds combined credentials, which you seem to suggest are more qualified than those of the pilots, physicists, architects, engineers, government, military and various other proffesionals can explain why 5 of the alleged highjackers recieved government military training.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915newsweek
or, how an aircraft striking a building can cause damge such as this
or, Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
or, Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics.
or, Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why?
apparently you two have answers for all of these questions even though the bush administration does not.
What is especially disturbing is that you both accuse anyone of wanting answers to these simple basic questions of being "Conspiracy nut wacko's"
Since you are not "Conspiracy nut wacko's" then you apparently have the answers to these questions!
Please enlighten me, as I am too damn stupid to know the answers.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 08:46 pm |
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Sorry .. I misunderstood your post. To re-answer I would say that the shear speed of the aircraft probably (and this is as much speculation as your theories) caused the wings and engines to be sheared off on impact. It is also possible that the aircraft hit the ground first causing the aircraft to break apart prior to actually hitting the building. With the way all of these aircraft were used there are forces of physics that have to be taken into consideration. I know that the speed of the Pentagon aircraft was pretty close to the sound barrier and if I remember right drag becomes pretty intense at that speed. Does your theory take this into consideration? How about the physics of the actual building? I believe the Pentgon was designed to withstand a nuke attack. Does that affect the equation? I don't have all the answers since I am far from an expert but common sense tells me that I saw video of that aircraft hitting the building and I saw interviews of people that were actually there. These things tell me that the aircraft did in fact hit the Pentagon and that it could not have been staged as alleged by people that were not there.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 08:44 pm |
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You can show distorted information all you like. And photoshopped pictures with red words next to them saying "this is to scale" is a classic piece of distorted information. But you still have not been able to present a coherent all-encompasing narrative.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 08:04 pm |
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of course the photo was photo shopped......that was the point.
The plane was to scale of the hole......it states that in the post "
 this is to scale
The plane has been added to show the scale and shape of the hole that was supposedly made by a 757
ted......for your statements to have any substance you need to provide names and credentials of these pilots you speak of...........otherwise you are just making baseless claims
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050303sibeledmonds911
http://www.wanttoknow.info/sibeledmonds
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 07:25 pm |
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Photo Shopped and doctored picture. Pretty simple. If you were to believe the picture, how on earth did a hole in the side of the Pentagon get blown up before the aircraft arrived and nobody notice? Were all of the surrveilence tapes also doctored???????? Why go through the effort to fly a plane into the building if they were just going to use explosives anyhow?
Once again just does not make any sense.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 07:25 pm |
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Tens of tousands of experienced airline pilots in the world, and a list of 14 of them is supposed to impress me? One of which was only identified by initials?
Please come back to me when credible insiders come forward with real confessions. There had to be thousands. Are you telling me that every single one is perfectly loyal to Bush? People are jumping off the Bush bandwagon by the bushel, but none of them are turning this very key evidence against him?
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So you two know more about flying large commercial aircraft than these jerks??
Robert Balsamo
4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI
Corporate Chief Pilot
135 Capt
121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines
King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET
Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Has time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
John Lear
Son of Bill Lear
(Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation)
More than 40 years of Flying
19,000+ TT
23 Type ratings
Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11
Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways
Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret)
3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Field McConnell (Captain Sherlock?)
23,000+ hours
CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10
NCA,REP,NWA
A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG
http://www.captainsherlock.com
Forced to retire due 9/11 exposure
http://www.hawkscafe.com
Captain Paul A. Trood
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Qantas Airways
Australia
Experience: 18,000 flight hours
Jim Mustanich
ATP 20,000+ hours
Typed in CE-500, DHC-7, EMB-110, BA-3100
Aircraft flown include Boeing 727,737, Douglas DC-9, MD-80
United Air Lines, American International Airlines, Air Pacific Airlines, West Air Airlines
6-7 years corporate flying in Cessna Citations
Factory demo pilot for Cessna Citations
Ted Muga
Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR
A/C experience - Grumman E-1 and E-2 ( Approx, 3800 hours )
Pan American World Airways - Retired Dec. 1991 ( that's when PanAM went bankrupt )
Flight Engineer/First Officer -- Boeing 707 & Boeing 727 ( approx. 7500 hours )
Col Robert Bowman
President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies
Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation
retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church
101 combat missions in Vietnam
directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter
recipient of the Eisenhower Medal
George F. Kennan Peace Prize
President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace
Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice)
Six Air Medals
Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech
chaired 8 major international conferences
one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security
independent candidate for President of the US in 2000
John Panarelli
friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11
ATP: L-300, B-737, DC-10, DC-8, FE, TT=approx. 11,000 hours
USAF-C141-IP, Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo
Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford
United States Marine Corps (ret)
A-4 Skyhawk, KC-130 (10,000+ hours)
S-2, T-1, F9F, F-11, OV-10, T–2J
303 Combat Missions
"DG"
10,000TT
Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines
Director of Operations Training at Polar Air
Cargo, and Asst. Chief Pilot for Presidential Air
Manager of Flying for Eastern Airlines
Falcon 900 and a G-200
Check Captain
B737,A300, Da-50, G-200 and C-500
FE, A&P.
Dennis Spear
Army Aviator
20+ years - United States Army
7000 TT in a variety of fixed and rotary wing aircraft
C-23, C-7, U-21,U-8, T-39, EH-60, UH-60, UH-1, OH-58
Instrument Flight Examiner, Fixed Wing Instructor Pilot, H-60
Maintenance Test Pilot
Operations Officer, Aviation Safety Officer
FAA Commercial Pilot
- ASMEL, Rotorcraft Helicopter, Instrument Airplane/Helicopter
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 06:29 pm |
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Thank you for your failure to provide anything of substance.
So what about all of the people with PHD's who do not believe this conspiracy? Do we discount them? PLEASE PROVIDE SAID LIST!
Here is something of substance..............explain this either one of you two geniuses
this is to scale
Why is there no damage to the building from the wings and the heavy engines?
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 03:37 pm |
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It is clear that Gene has either never been involved in Academia or has not been there in a very very long time. In academics, you face the 'publish or perish' mentality where to keep your job you need to keep coming up with ideas to put into papers and presentations, whether they really make sense or not. And there is not a lot of prestige if your presentation says something along the lines of "yes, everything is just fine and it is exactly what we all thought it was". No, they need to come up with ideas that shock and challenge people whether it all ties together into a full concept that makes sense or not.
It is not the job of an accademic to come up with a coherent idea that makes sense. It is their job to stir the pot. And only fools take what a PHD says at face value.
So yes, there are a lot of PHD's that are trying to challenge conventional wisdom on this topic just as there are PHD's challenging conventional wisdom on just about everything else. Some ideas have the power to stick, others not.
So what about all of the people with PHD's who do not believe this conspiracy? Do we discount them?
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Science is not needed to logically conclude that it does not make sense that the government brought down those buildings. A true scientist would not take a small piece of an event, dissects it ad nausea, then present it as proof of a larger event. That is not good science. It only helps to prove a pre-conceived hypothesis. All reputable scientists will tell you that will produce false positives.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 05:22 am |
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so teddy and jj....what I want to hear from you is that all of the professionals and intelligent people in this video are stupid, uneducated illiterate conspiracy theory wacko's .
Please state your case here! you are both more intelligent and informed than these people are, because that is what you are stating in a direct and public way!
MAKE YOUR CASE!!!!
If you two make an intelligent and documented case, I say here and now that I will come and worship at your feet, as highly intelligent and independent scholars of integrity!!!!
Addendum : If you can make the scientific and physical case that your view of events is more accurate than these scholars I am at you beck and service for the length of my life!
http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php
http://drjudywood.com/
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 05:01 am |
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Free version
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 04:40 am |
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hey teddy........here's another conspiracy wacko of no regard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8XToX7aSdg
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Just me again.
Link tv is worth watching right now.
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nunya wrote:
You are a conspiracy theory wacko. Thanks. I do feel more sane doing that.
BTW, I've been following this thread for awhile now and everytime I read it I want to reply but I have a lot of experience arguing with an unreasonable person (ex-wife) and I know all it does is raise my frustration level.
JJ, good post. You eloquently stated the obvious that gk won't acknowledge.
I have to think that some of the conspiracy theories are just kept going for fun. It's more fun to argue the rediculous than accept the obvious. Plus, I guess if one so vehimately hates GWB (I don't understand that either) I guess this somehat validates those feelings.
Good point nunya. I have 2 points of evidence to refute this. First off, as pointed out below, our govenment is not nearly competent enough to pull something like this and keep it a secret. For another, if this is true, why is GK and like minded people still alive? If Bush and Cheney are willing to kill 3000 people just so that they can get some insurance cash to a friend, wouldn't they also easily be able to arrange an 'accidental' death to a handful of internet wack jobs?
But it is not completely harmless. This kind of thinking does give aid to our enemies in the war on terror. After 9/11 there were a handful of rumors that no Jews died in New York since they were all secretly told to stay home that day. Well that particular rumor has been thouroughly proven to be wrong on so many levels. However, a large percentage of the Arab world continues to believe completely that this is absolutlely true. And these beliefs help fuel their hatred for America. You can imagine what effect Gene's 'evidence' will have on such people.
Also, if any of you lived in the Hunt Highway area in 2003-2004, Gene Kilber was a leader in a group which was fighting the formation of an incorporated city in the area. If you look back on news and internet sources of that time, Gene Kilber was in the forefront in spouting very similar conspiracy rhetoric, lies, and inuendo toward those community volunteers trying to make our area a better place to live. This organized effort led to the city being defeated, and the Pinal County bumbling continues to this day. I would like to thank Gene for proving fairly convincingly that his previous accusations were almost certainly false.
But of course he will never be convinced of this and will reply to this message with his usual crazy guy in the street nonsense. But the rest of us can be aware.
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gk wrote: if it makes you feel somehow more "sane" to call me a "conspiracy theory wacko" then by all means go ahead.
You are a conspiracy theory wacko. Thanks. I do feel more sane doing that.
BTW, I've been following this thread for awhile now and everytime I read it I want to reply but I have a lot of experience arguing with an unreasonable person (ex-wife) and I know all it does is raise my frustration level.
JJ, good post. You eloquently stated the obvious that gk won't acknowledge.
I have to think that some of the conspiracy theories are just kept going for fun. It's more fun to argue the rediculous than accept the obvious. Plus, I guess if one so vehimately hates GWB (I don't understand that either) I guess this somehat validates those feelings.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 09:04 pm |
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The evidence HAS come out. The evidence is there in science, in materials, in physical evidence and in just plain observation and common sense. Common sense dictates that two aircraft cannot completely demolish 3 huge steel and concrete structures.
Just because you refuse to look at the evidence and just because FOX or CNNN does not carry it does not make it nutcase wacko crap.
A person who believes in the "Official explanation" is who I would call the Conspiracy nutcase wacko. The official explanation is commical and rediculous.
So all of these highly decorated military officers, former government officials, combat pilots, airline pilots, architects, structural engineers, scientist, scholars, materials specialists, civil engineers, etc. etc are all conspiracy nutcase wackos.............but good ole jj is rational and honest with himself because he believes totally in what the government tells him to believe and not what the evidence, the science and his eyes tell him.
Living in denial is not living in reality k.e.
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Yes ... By virtue of the fact that they can not explain one basic question. How can a government that can't keep anything secret pull off this feat without someone, anyone coming forward with first hand knowlege. An operation as alleged by the wackos would have involved hundred if not thousand of people. It would have required trucks and demolition crews. Where are all of these people? Where is the security video footage? Where is any factual evidence that is void of theory and hateful speculation? How has the President gotten all of the mainstream media on his side of this issue? They are willing to hang him at any opportunity but he somehow gets a pass on this issue by all of them?????
Why won't this evidence come out? Because it does not and never has existed. Just because someone is a PHD does not make them immune to nuttiness.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 08:35 pm |
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Why are all of these supposed "experts" not even given a moments thought by the established and universally excepted experts?
with one sentence you dismiss all as incompitent nitwits.
Are these people incompetent nitwits? Nuitcase, conspiracy wacko's??
http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
http://www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus
http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/bio/Wood_Bio.html
http://twilightpines.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=35
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GK
When is the Constitution going to be suspended? Is it the last act of President Bush before he leave the Oval Office? Will he declare marshal law and send the troops into the streets with order to shhot to kill? Where will Tienemen Square happen in the US? These are all of the logical conclusions that we face based on your theory that we are falling into a Facist state.
Why has the Supreme Court not ruled the President in Contempt?
Why hasn't the Congress taken up impeachment yet?
Where are the troops coming from to button down America?
Why hasn't any of this information leaked out yet?
Why is it that only a few choosen ones (you and the wacko conspiracy web sites) have figured this out?
Why is it that these wackos only have a web appearance?
Why is it that a majority of these wacko websites are using free websites and are not well funded?
Why are all of these supposed "experts" not even given a moments thought by the established and universally eaccepted experts?
I think the answer is pretty simple ... It just is not true. Presidnet Bush may have made some unpopular decisions but none were illegal, for personal gain, or amounted to treason. The truth of the matter is that a vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote because he does not stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning. When I go to the polls to vote I look for the person that best represents me and has a potential for winning. If I don't use these principals then I am just wasting my time.
JJ
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 08:10 pm |
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I never stated why I believe the nukes were loaded.
An order was directly given and the nukes were loaded (by personell who new EXACTLY what they were. No mistakes made here!
They were sent to an Airbase that has nothing to do with decomissioning nukes. The plane knowingly flew to the airbase that it was ordered to. No mistakes made here!
Not just anyone can order nukes to be flown anywhere. There are numerous levels of security and mistakes of this magnitude do not occur.
Why were they sent there and by whom?
if it makes you feel somehow more "sane" to call me a "conspiracy theory wacko" then by all means go ahead. The conspiracy theory that I give credit to is the one in which the Constitutional Republic of America has been usurped by Corporatists and US intervention in the world is maintained to ensure huge profits for the military industry.
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini
Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity, quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace.
Benito Mussolini
It is humiliating to remain with our hands folded while others write history. It matters little who wins. To make a people great it is necessary to send them to battle even if you have to kick them in the pants. That is what I shall do.
Benito Mussolini
Let us have a dagger between our teeth, a bomb in our hands, and an infinite scorn in our hearts.
Benito Mussolini
The truth is that men are tired of liberty.
Benito Mussolini
War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and imposes the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to make it.
Benito Mussolini
War is to man what maternity is to a woman. From a philosophical and doctrinal viewpoint, I do not believe in perpetual peace.
Benito Mussolini
ANTHING STRIKING A FAMILIAR CHORD HERE???
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gk wrote: The fact of the matter is that the military has admited that a mistake was made and they are addressing the issue internally. I am okay with that explanation and the statement that the public was not put at risk.
You don't make "mistakes" with 6 nuclear weapons. It does not happen!
Apparently it does. Because only you and your conspiracy theory wackos have been the only one that have connected this to an Iranian nuke attack. It would be just as easy to say these nukes were bound for Syria, North Korea, Moscow, or Beijing. Maybe you have sources that tell you that Iran is imminently about to be attacked but I don't see it. The Pentgon has contigency plans for attacking Toronto Canada in the unlikely event that they become hostile towards the US. But I don't see that as highly probable either. Frankly I am glad that the government is prepared with these types of plans.
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The fact of the matter is that the military has admited that a mistake was made and they are addressing the issue internally. I am okay with that explanation and the statement that the public was not put at risk.
You don't make "mistakes" with 6 nuclear weapons. It does not happen!
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You are right I don't know anything about you except your conspiracy theories about the government jumping out to get you at every turn, but I think you missed the point of my posting. Maybe you should go back and read it again?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 07:29 pm |
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your probable lack of a job/career
You know nothing about my past, or my present!
A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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I am not a military person and as best I can tell you don't either by your probable lack of a job/career. Because of this I don't know the inter-workings of how nukes are handled. I am sure this information is highly classified and any info you may have would be suspect from the get-go.
The fact of the matter is that the military has admited that a mistake was made and they are addressing the issue internally. I am okay with that explanation and the statement that the public was not put at risk.
During the cold war nukes were being flown around the world 24 hours a day. Nobody seemed to be concerned abut safety back then.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 07:14 pm |
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If initial reports that the weapons were being decommissioned, but were
mistakenly transported by a B-52 bomber, then the weapons should have been taken to Kirtland Air Force Base.
According to Kristensen, this is “where
the warheads are separated from the rest of the weapon and shipped to the
Energy Department’s Pantex dismantlement facility near Amarillo, Texas”
Watch all of the Britanny entertainment you want.......I don't care.......it's your mind!!
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Maybe you did not know that the nukes in question were actually being decommissioned/dismantled. All of the people involved have be "stood down" and the officer in charge has been reassigned. Plenty of nukes in the submarines and at foreign Air Force bases abroad. Had this been in preparation for a military strike this would never have leaked out. Once again your wacky conspiracy theory does not hold any water. As far as I can tell the US government is not out to get GK.
Also people want to read about entertainment. That is why it is called "entertainment" and not news. If nobody cared it would not be written about. You are far from the moral compass of our nation and telling me or anybody else what we can , can't, should, or should not read is very un American. Reading these type of articles are what make me a well rounded person. I can attend parties and talk to people about alot of subjects. Not just about how the WTC was brought down by Traitor Bush perosnally for the benefit of Dick Cheney's FORMER employer.
JJ
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 06:23 pm |
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Why waste space and time with Britanny and crap and not include very important news. Other information newsite on the net carry important news WITHOUT any of the bullshit. But Fox, CNN and the rest are half crap and half of the news.......which leaves no room for the other half that is important.
Here's something to think about jj.
http://freeworldsurvey.blogspot.com/2007/09/6-nukes-fly-over-us-big-problems-with.html
Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations. Gee, why would we want cruise missile nukes at Barksdale Air Force Base. Can't imagine we would need to use them in Iraq. Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations?
Observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else.
Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can't think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don't know, but it is a question worth asking.
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this is exactly what I mean by you use links out of context. Any reasonable person would know that you only took the information out of the "Entertainment" section of Fox News. What do you expect to have in the entertainment section of the website?
You would like to insult the intelligence of us to think that that was the only thing on foxnews.com. Just not true.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 05:59 pm |
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I posted two official gubmit websites to back up the information that I was giving you, and at least two other websites that provided the information that your so well trusted CNN, FOX, MSNBC, CBS and what ever you call "valid" sites do not deem newsworthy, in order to show you you can't count on the TV media for accurate information.
But I do see that today FOX is reporting on this highly important "NEWS"
FEATURES & FACES
Dead Career Bounce
By Roger FriedmanThink Britney stunk at the VMAs? Her manager bombed even worse
The People vs. Britney
Is it time to say goodbye to Spears as a songstress? Here's what the people say | PHOTOS
Anbar Awakens
Iraq Journal: Ramadi, to everyone's surprise, emerges as perhaps the safest city
Jane Wyman Dead
Oscar winner and Ronald Reagan's first wife dies at 93 at home in Palm Springs, Calif.
Tommy Lee Tussle
Kid Rock cited for battery after scrap with Pam Anderson's other ex-hubby at VMAs
The Donald 'a Slug'?
Rosie O'Donnell reportedly calls Donald Trump 'a torn scarecrow' and 'a slug' in new book
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| How do you take seriously any so called news outlet that refers to our President as "Chief Terrorist" |