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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 10:25 pm |
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jjohnson,
You are still seriously wrong in your accusations. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN, IT IS YOUR IMAGINATION
Ed and Kristen are on public record as being OPPOSED to San Tan Flats.
Here again.........a lie told often enough somehow becomes a fact.
YOU ARE WRONG, but you can tell Ed that
Bambi was given bad information and her concern was legitimate according to that information, but where did you get your information?
Make it up?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 10:04 pm |
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Bambi,
Good on you!
A personal apology would have been great, but a public is outstanding. What you posted after talking to Mr. Hardy is what my understanding of the entire issue was.
As you know when people use phony names they can wreck all kinds of havoc, but you use your real name and that takes a lot of guts these days.
Final resolution is always good and I hope you feel much better
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:45 pm |
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Ok. Here we go.................My humblest apologies to Kristen Guerra. I have also emailed her with that apology. She indeed had nothing to do with the site.
Mr. Hardy called me. He explained everything to me. He does not know the Guerra's. He was not a BLC member. Just a guy who decided he wanted to start up a community discussion.
Only he got a bunch of wild and crazy people on there that he couldn't manage well enough, so he shut it down.....before he got my letter, so that is why he did not respond to me. That two-dollar-pistol person is the one who did the threatening about the 12 guage, etc. He was his biggest problem, always stirring things up. He also stated that because the city was defeated, he saw no reason to keep it up.
The danger of administrating forums on a part time basis and keeping people in line. I went thru that on the Ourqueencreek site and had to throw a bunch of them off....Nascargirl was a whopper to control. Nothing I would want to do again.
So I told Mr. Hardy not to worry...I have no intentions of sueing him or anyone else....it's my attorney's who have to worry. I just don't understand how they got Kristens name. Hardy says he never registered it in her name, yet I have the written proof, thru the research, from the Domain Prox place. Where did they get her name?
What a crock. yes....and my aplogies to you too Gene....for your perserverance in this matter......you can be a pain, but it paid off this time.
I've had it on this issue......but at least the mystery finally got solved and maybe I can get some good solid sleep.
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Yes it is when you orchastrated the original project and supported it to p&z.
Not at all true, I never did any such thing!
Where did you come up with that?
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gk wrote: the neighbors just want the music inside, not to shut Dale down. Ed and Kristen and their neighbors are only asking for quiet, not shut anyone down.
Is that an outlandish request?
Yes it is when you (Ed) orchastrated the original project and supported it to p&z. Had they been blind sided and not informed of the project then they would have a beef. However, it appears that Ed can not make that claim. Mr. Bell never hid the fact that there would be outside music. His submission to the county clearly showed a stage that reasonable people would assume to be for music. Not mimes or puppet shows.Last edited on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:45 pm by JJohnson
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:07 pm |
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In all honesty I do not remember any threat. I do remember a comment that was out of line by that two dollar guy but no real threat. If I had taken anything as a threat I would have said something.
Yes, we did converse privately on that site and both commented. What you see as a threat may not necessarily be what I see as a threat.
I really don't remeber that clearly. Was there a a claim of intent at harm?
There is still something not right here about Kristen and Hardy Yes....your attorney goofed in my opinion.
Well which way is it Ed? Is it the noise or is it the dancing? As far as I am concerned, the county has went to STF when music was playing only to find out he was not in violation of any noise ordinance as the decimals were not high enough. They could not get him there, so they decided to pull a rabbit out of their butts and get him on a joke law, "no dance halls" Come on already, you people (BLC) gave this place your blessings with your queen Sandie. You people are making this area the butt end of every joke nation wide. Is it your ploy to keep everyone laughing at us so no more people want to move in and you get to keep the area just as you people would like to keep it.
This is another issue that needs to be cleared up
The idea that the BLC was solely responsible for getting the Flats approved and now solely responsible for getting it shut down is false . First, BLC didn't exist at the time of the Flats rezoning. second, the neighbors just want the music inside, not to shut Dale down. Ed and Kristen and their neighbors are only asking for quiet, not shut anyone down.
Is that an outlandish request?
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gk wrote: When the postings reached a certain point the owner decided to take it down as that was not his original intent. I ran in to him at some event.......don't remember what the setting was, but we had a short discussion about it and he said he would take it down.
And Bambi, you know that I did post on that site because I sent you private messages. Remember?
No. I do not remember. I do remember posting and reading your posts though, now that I think about it more. Is the private message the one where you said it was coming down anyway? Why did you allow people to threaten me? Why didn't you intervene, like the other poster did, and support me, when they made those threats? Not just because it was me, but to anyone?
If threats were made on here to you, I would intervene and state that that guy should be taken off the forum. You have done such a thing on here before, for less. You turned a poster or two in for their input....and not near as threatening as two dollar pistol made to me. Who was two dollar pistol? Do you know?
There is still something not right here about Kristen and Hardy.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 08:50 pm |
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When the postings reached a certain point the owner decided to take it down as that was not his original intent. I ran in to him at some event.......don't remember what the setting was, but we had a short discussion about it and he said he would take it down.
And Bambi, you know that I did post on that site because I sent you private messages. Remember?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 08:39 pm |
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gk wrote: Bambi......I NEVER EVER ALLOWED YOU TO THINK THAT IT WAS THE GUERRA"S.
THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT. YOU SAID THAT YOUR ATTORNEY TOLD YOU THEY WERE.
YOU DID THAT ON YOUR OWN! I hope you will apologize to the Guerra's and I did not ask you to apologize to me.
I have said all along that they had nothing to do with it, I knew that because I know and respect them, and like Ted I only had a casual acquantance with the owner.
Also accusing Ed of being over 6' tall and threatening you it is just a little bit over the top. Calm down.........be nice.....
Ok Gene. So, How did you know they were shutting down the site?
Gene....you were not at the QC meeting. What do I need to do....bring witness's on here to prove Ed's behavior?
I will await Mr. Hardy's call, as it appears that he holds the key to the truth. If I don't here from him, then I will go to his place of business. I want to know the truth....as to who allowed threats to me on that site, to continue. Did you post on that site?
Lots of sleep was lost over that scenario. Painful to go thru it again.
It's Time To either find a Supervisor to clean up this mess out here around the Rurals, or we need to start a drive to be a City again, as I am sick of lack of good leadership, that would bring us all together and would come up with a resolution to these problems. Leadership by "elected" officials....not self-appointed officials that insist that we go their way or no way, and proceed to make our lives miserable, as they know they are empowered by the County. When the County tells an applicant that he must have the approval of the BLC, or his request will be denied, is tyrannical and despotic. And, also, the reason for all the disjointed and unattainable visions of the People.
Sandie....as much as I like you.....you need to come out to our area and talk to the people. You should hold the neighborhood meeting and work with all the people about this, since there is so much controvery over that area. We need leadership and guidance and you are the only elected official for this district that we can derive that from. If leadership doesn't carry credibility, then what good is it. Come out here and try to bring the people together under your guidance and direction. It's you the people want to see and hear from....no one else.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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Bambi......I NEVER EVER ALLOWED YOU TO THINK THAT IT WAS THE GUERRA"S.
THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT. YOU SAID THAT YOUR ATTORNEY TOLD YOU THEY WERE.
YOU DID THAT ON YOUR OWN! I hope you will apologize to the Guerra's and I did not ask you to apologize to me.
I have said all along that they had nothing to do with it, I knew that because I know and respect them, and like Ted I only had a casual acquantance with the owner.
Also accusing Ed of being over 6' tall and threatening you it is just a little bit over the top. Calm down.........be nice.....
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gk wrote: I don't know if he knew him at all. I really don't believe that he knew him, but maybe knew who he was
They would not send out a letter stating she was publicly registered if they didn't have the proof. Are you sure........
Positive.
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gk wrote: I think the bottom line here is that Ed and Kristen have agin been accused of something that they had no hand in. False accusations have been around for a long time and I would hope that we can all stop.
I still maintain that they deserve an apology
Oh, there will be an apology alright, if I find this to be true. But it will be to Kristen Guerra, not to you.
I have contacted Mr. Hardy, and am awaiting his call. Yes, he is still in Town. We will get to the bottom of this, trust me.
Now, gk, how did you know they were shutting the site down anyway. Did you speak to Rick? Did you know it was in his name at the time, and still allowed me to think it was the Guerra's?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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I think the bottom line here is that Ed and Kristen have agin been accused of something that they had no hand in. False accusations have been around for a long time and I would hope that we can all stop.
I still maintain that they deserve an apology
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Bambi wrote: Ok....we now know you know who Rick Hardy is. Is/was he a BLC member? Is he a member of another local organization? Is he "friends" with the Guerra's?
Is that conversation the one that you said "save your money Bambi....they were going to take the site down anyway." That says to me that you may have known who was running that site. Was it Mr. Hardy?
For what it is worth, here is another reason that the BLC hurts itself with its secretive nature. Anytime somebody does something that is disagreeable, it is natural to assume that they are BLC members. If the BLC was more open, it would not be a question.
As for Mr. Hardy, in the brief conversation I had with him, it became clear to me that he was not BLC (he seemed against much of what they stood for, but not all).
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I don't know if he knew him at all. I really don't believe that he knew him, but maybe knew who he was
They would not send out a letter stating she was publicly registered if they didn't have the proof. Are you sure........
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gk wrote: Do you have the documentation to show that Kristen was listed as admin?
I don't have it here, but the attorney's do. They showed it to me when I visited their office.
They would not send out a letter stating she was publicly registered if they didn't have the proof.
Something fishy is going on here.
If indeed the Guerra's didn't have any relationship with them, then he used their ID, falsely, to register that site.
How well does Ed know this guy?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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Ted is correct on all accounts.
and no......he never was a member of the BLC
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gk wrote: They were just plain wrong in the first instance. Kristen was not involved in it
Yes
IF you will remember we conversed about what was said on that site at the time
Ok....we now know you know who Rick Hardy is. Is/was he a BLC member? Is he a member of another local organization? Is he "friends" with the Guerra's?
Is that conversation the one that you said "save your money Bambi....they were going to take the site down anyway." That says to me that you may have known who was running that site. Was it Mr. Hardy?
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Bambi wrote: All that has to happen here, gk, is for Ed to get on this website, and tell us the truth....and if he chooses to call my attorneys liars, then so be it. I'll call them and ask for my money back.
Now do you know who Rick Hardy is?
I'm still trying to put this puzzle together.
I didn't know the last name, but Rick would be the one who I had a brief conversation with one time. Just an average guy with no connection to either the pro-city or anti-city groups. Just wanted to get people discussing things. Looks like he had to back out of that entire thing when lawsuits were threatened and that is too bad. I never got to see what the santancity.info site had on it since it disappeared to quickly. At least the Yahoo site is still around as an archive for what went on back then.
As I said before, there is a lot we can blame the Guerras for. But being the admin of a web site that may have had some rude stuff on it is not one of them. I would bet that this guy Rick no longer even lives in the area.
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gk wrote: Bambi,
They failed to do the actual research and sent a letter to Kristen. When they finally had to research it they came up with another name
These reputable attorneys failed to do the research. Oh my. Not true. I saw all their research and it was Kristen's name as Admin.
Something changed or this Rick Hardy, used their name without permission, so maybe he's the culprit and I should go after him...and so should the Guerra's....at least he should be able to enlighten me on this.
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They were just plain wrong in the first instance. Kristen was not involved in it
Yes
IF you will remember we conversed about what was said on that site at the time
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gk wrote: Bambi,
They failed to do the actual research and sent a letter to Kristen. When they finally had to research it they came up with another name
That's not what is said. Hardy was the "contact" infor. only, and letters were forwarded to him only. The letter still maintains that Kristen was the Admin., back at the time of the offense.
Do you know who Rick Hardy is?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:42 pm |
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Bambi,
They failed to do the actual research and sent a letter to Kristen. When they finally had to research it they came up with another name
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:38 pm |
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gk wrote: ain't true
There was a previous owner and it was NOT KG
When Bambi posts her documentation it should be cleared up
update - Bambi has now shown that Kristen was not the owner of said site.
Apologies are in order to Ed and Kristen
Wait a minute there. It did show publicly that she was owner. What caused the change? It was done after the first letter was sent out. And it does not say he was the Admin. It says Rick Hardy's contact information was shown, and Proxy forwarded it to him.
GK. Do you know who Rick Hardy is?
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All that has to happen here, gk, is for Ed to get on this website, and tell us the truth....and if he chooses to call my attorneys liars, then so be it. I'll call them and ask for my money back.
Now do you know who Rick Hardy is?
I'm still trying to put this puzzle together.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:31 pm |
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ain't true
There was a previous owner and it was NOT KG
When Bambi posts her documentation it should be cleared up
update - Bambi has now shown that Kristen was not the owner of said site.
Apologies are in order to Ed and Kristen
UPDATE TO THE UPDATE
It looks like the attorney failed to do the research before sending out the letter. Maybe took someones word for it. After they researched it properly they made good on their fees that they charged. I doubt that they sent an apology letter to the Guerra's
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Ted wrote: Hate to agree with GK on a point here (and I really question why this is in any way relevant), but it is my understanding that neither the BLC nor the Guerras were ever involved in santancity.info. I once briefly met the guy who did that site, and it was not Ed. The Guerras were involved with nonewcity.com and the yahoo site that went with it that Bambi was quoting from.
Lots of good relevant discussion here opening up what the BLC has done. Try to keep it to stuff that can be verified. As we have seen from their past actions, the BLC likes to jump all over the minor accusations that are in fact false and make that a dominating part of the discussions while they are completely silent on the major accusations that are completely true.
I would put it on here but sorry.....I don't know how to scan it on here.
Plus my adult kids decided to throw out all my old stuff, since my eyesight has almost gone. And, I just had it last week. I can get copies from the attorneys, and if proven wrong, yes, I will get my money back.
I do have two letters, that I had elsewhere from my attorneys, that the kids didn't see. The first was a Federal Express letter to:
Ms. Kristen Montgomery, her address on Sundance
Then the same letter was also sent Federal Express to:
Administrator for Santancity.info; % DOMAINS BY PROXY, INC., 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Suite 160B, Scottsdale, Arizona, 85260
Re; Postings on Santancity.info Forum Regarding Bambi
To whom it may concern:
We represent Bambi in her dispute regarding the comments posted on the website forum at http://www.santancity.info. Our research indicates that you are involved with the operation of the website.
......The law provides specific remedies for victims of defamation and related causes of action, including among other remedies, statutory damages......
....we therefore request the following:
1. That you provide your assurance that you will not allow anyone in the future, in any forums or other public settings under your ownership or control, to post any of our clients's materials, nor any threatening or defamatory statement against our clients, such as she has produced for us.
2. That you provide us with a full transcript of the postings on the forum; and
3. That you cooperate in providing us with the names and contact information of the parties involved, to facilitate our investigation and resolution of this matter.
That letter was dated Feb. 25th, 2005, to which Kristen responded they had nothing to do with it, and was going to counter sue me. This was not a lawsuit....just a request, to shut down the site, if they continued with their threats against me. Here is the second letter sent out, after her reply:
Certified: To: Mr. Rick Hardy, P.O. Box 1114, Q.C. Az.
Dear Mr. Hardy.
We represent........We previously sent a letter to the listed Administrator, Kristen Montgomery, for the santancity.info site, regarding certain content posted on this website. It has now come to our attention, thru further research, that your contact information (your mailing address and your email address) is listed as the contact information of record for the santancity.info domain name. We sent the Feb. 25th 2005, letter out to the address that was publicly available at the time at Domains by Proxy, Inc. We understand that Domains by Proxy forwarded the letter to your address: however, we have not heard any response from you or anyone else at your address.
We are aware that the forum on the santancity.info site has now been taken down, and we appreciate your cooperation in this effort. We will continue to monitor the site. Please be advised that, if there is any further violation of our client's rights, our clients is prepared to take appropriate legal action, against all parties involved, if this becomes necessary to protect our clients.
Quarles/Brady, Streich Lang.....one of the most highly recommended law firms around.
Now....who's Rick Hardy?
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That might just mean that he paid for his annual renewal...the site is registered through 11/21/2008. If this site is to be believed, the site has only had one registrar:
http://whois.domaintools.com/santancity.info
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I am not sure what to make of all these accusations of web site owners but it seems to me that the infomration sure could have changed since 2004. There is no history trail here to know for sure so let's not make a bold statement that knowing is so easy.
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Getting domain registration information is just about the easiest thing you can find on the web:
Domain ID 8129107-LRMS
Domain Name:SANTANCITY.INFO
Created On:21-Nov-2004 16:43:47 UTC
Last Updated On:17-Nov-2007 17:58:31 UTC
Expiration Date:21-Nov-2008 16:43:47 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com Inc. (R171-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID ABO-0920679
Registrant Name:Brian Hussey
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street1:6866 S Tucana Lane
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Gilbert
Registrant State/Province:AZ
Registrant Postal Code:85297
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4803266098
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:brian@arizonawebs.com
Admin ID ABO-2920679
Admin Name:Brian Hussey
Admin Organization:
Admin Street1:6866 S Tucana Lane
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
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My recollection is fuzzy though...when was it when Santancity.info was an active forum? Was it before November 2004 when this guy got the registration?
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starleen wrote:
blackwidow wrote: Gather your friends and neighbors and file a lawsuit against the BLC. Name names. Fight fire with fire. You can probably find more support over at Bonanza Ranch. One BLC member brokered a zoning change with a developer that affected those property owners at Bonanza Ranch w/o their knowledge or consent. They knew nothing.
Oh, I was looking at places to live in Bonanza Ranch. It seems like a nice laid back HOA, even though it is blessed with fabulously expensive Johnson Ranch water. Can you give me more info about this zoning change in the area? Quite the intrigue.
In a nut shell the change is allowing more homes per acre to the north of Bonanza Ranch. A developer owns the land and wants to build there. That came in exchange for land far away to the west to be zoned for even less density.
There is a flooding problem at Bonanza Ranch now when it rains long and hard. I know Bambi has exact details on this. I dont. I am only able to recall from a meeting several months ago.
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Hate to agree with GK on a point here (and I really question why this is in any way relevant), but it is my understanding that neither the BLC nor the Guerras were ever involved in santancity.info. I once briefly met the guy who did that site, and it was not Ed. The Guerras were involved with nonewcity.com and the yahoo site that went with it that Bambi was quoting from.
Lots of good relevant discussion here opening up what the BLC has done. Try to keep it to stuff that can be verified. As we have seen from their past actions, the BLC likes to jump all over the minor accusations that are in fact false and make that a dominating part of the discussions while they are completely silent on the major accusations that are completely true.
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blackwidow wrote: Gather your friends and neighbors and file a lawsuit against the BLC. Name names. Fight fire with fire. You can probably find more support over at Bonanza Ranch. One BLC member brokered a zoning change with a developer that affected those property owners at Bonanza Ranch w/o their knowledge or consent. They knew nothing.
Oh, I was looking at places to live in Bonanza Ranch. It seems like a nice laid back HOA, even though it is blessed with fabulously expensive Johnson Ranch water. Can you give me more info about this zoning change in the area? Quite the intrigue.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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Bambi,
I can not believe that any "expert" gave you that information! Please post a copy of the document that this "expert" gave you stating that KG was the owner of the SanTanCity.info
If you are unable to supply that, then one can only assume that there is no such document and your accusations are false.
If you can supply said document then you put in stone a resource for getting your money back from these "experts".
Ed Guerra is not the person that some of you are portaying. I have the highest respect for Ed and all of your responses only prove the point of my last post
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Bambi wrote: Wise beyond her years wrote: Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Mine is that you are full of baloney. No way Ed Guerra is an intimidator. I don't see him blasting you with insults. When we point a finger, there are always 3 or more more pointing right back at us.
Me thinks you protest too much. A little jealousy rearing it's ugly head?
Mr. Guerra shows his true self only, when confronted by women. I suppose telling me, not once, not twice, but several times, to get out of QC Town Hall is not intimidating to a 64 year old woman? He being over 6 ft. tall and half my age. He only shows his true character on a one on one basis. He will always demonstrate on this public forum, the side of a nice guy.
But once I post that site he arranged secretively, without his wife's knowledge, he will hopefully show his real side, as that will be demonstrating to you the real character of that man....deceitful.
Wow a 6' man intimidating an older woman. What a man, what a man. We are talking about the same guy who weighs what maybe 110 lbs soaking wet? What a guy you are Ed, what a guy. One day, you will run into the wrong person when you try your intimidation tactics and it will backfire on you
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You know, we have been over this topic before. The BLC is accused of being behind every problem up to and including the kidnapping of the Lindberg baby. And then somebody (usually a new name who has never posted before) pipes in and points out that the people in the BLC are very nice and between them and Saint Sandie, nothing bad has ever come from their actions. As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Personally I believe that the BLC has had good intentions and poor execution. They completely messed things up with San Tan Flats and I am also starting to believe that their actions in regards to San Tan City were wrong and destructive. But that is just my opinion.
The only way for the BLC to get out of this perception mess is with open-ness. Right now it is an established fact that there are a few unelected people who reach a decision and that Sandie Smith will enforce that decision. That is well documented. I don't have a big problem with some of the decisions they make on here (I love the ST Park and I appreciate what they have done for it). But the problem is that their decisions are reached in secret. The citizenship as a whole do not have access to the decision making process. The BLC needs to open up membership and open up their meetings to all people. If they do that, they cannot be accused of being self serving. But up until that point, I have no choice but to see Gordon Brown, Ed Guerra, Anne Reed and others as manipulative and corrupt power brokers leading my community into destruction.
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azsunshine wrote: Mr Guerra:
So the subject property is if you are standing in STF parking lot looking North towards Ellsworth--it would be on your left? If so the J curve did not promote access to that piece of property--but how many times have we seen road improvements to access new business--alot. I can understand you not wanting any business there--too bad for you STF is already there and looks like business is booming. I bet the constantant stream of headlights blaring from Ellsworth at night really disturbes the view.
I respect your opinion and think you have every right to voice it. However, I don't respect you if you did ask if people are still there, order them to leave, or try diminish other's opinion in a rude non fact finding way. It would be very easy for you to clarify and correct if this is not true. Is what Bambi says true? Wise beyond her years--wouldn't you agree that the Christian (and if not Christian people make it "moral") thing would be to let others have a voice without being rude?
I want to add- I don't know what other road improvements to that corner where "on the books" but the J curve has helped traffic IMO.
And Mr. Guerra......please tell the truth, as remember the absentee owners you pointed out, sitting next to me at the meeting, heard it also. The ones you stated should not have a voice in the matter.
I asked Mr. Guerra why he was at the neighborhood meeting at the Park, regarding the 20 acres site zoning change. I did it very emphatically, looking him right in the eye, as he was not a 300 footer or even near there, but was there to give support to Gordon. I suspect he did his QC remarks, in his usual "payback" mentality.....just speculating.
Now the Ellsworth case, he said I had no interest in because of conflict of interest, being I am in the real estate business. Ignorance. Unconstitutional. That corner and that hiway effects us all and we all should have imput....including the owners that border that roadway, absentee or not.
If I am in real estate and a resident, and can have no say in what happens at that J curve and the cases surrounding it, then why did they allow Wolfswinkle, the criminal of Real Estate, give input and negotiate with him? Because they are selective and tyrannical in their endeavors. All those owners along there had decisions made for them without any input.....except for Wolfswinkle.
It's the American way to be democratic and to be all inclusive.
These guys are cutting deals left and right and getting us deeper and deeper into debt by exposing us to lawsuits.
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Mr Guerra:
So the subject property is if you are standing in STF parking lot looking North towards Ellsworth--it would be on your left? If so the J curve did not promote access to that piece of property--but how many times have we seen road improvements to access new business--alot. I can understand you not wanting any business there--too bad for you STF is already there and looks like business is booming. I bet the constantant stream of headlights blaring from Ellsworth at night really disturbes the view.
I respect your opinion and think you have every right to voice it. However, I don't respect you if you did ask if people are still there, order them to leave, or try diminish other's opinion in a rude non fact finding way. It would be very easy for you to clarify and correct if this is not true. Is what Bambi says true? Wise beyond her years--wouldn't you agree that the Christian (and if not Christian people make it "moral") thing would be to let others have a voice without being rude?
I want to add- I don't know what other road improvements to that corner where "on the books" but the J curve has helped traffic IMO.
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Wise beyond her years wrote: Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Mine is that you are full of baloney. No way Ed Guerra is an intimidator. I don't see him blasting you with insults. When we point a finger, there are always 3 or more more pointing right back at us.
Me thinks you protest too much. A little jealousy rearing it's ugly head?
Mr. Guerra shows his true self only, when confronted by women. I suppose telling me, not once, not twice, but several times, to get out of QC Town Hall is not intimidating to a 64 year old woman? He being over 6 ft. tall and half my age. He only shows his true character on a one on one basis. He will always demonstrate on this public forum, the side of a nice guy.
But once I post that site he arranged secretively, without his wife's knowledge, he will hopefully show his real side, as that will be demonstrating to you the real character of that man....deceitful.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 01:40 pm |
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Wise beyond her years wrote: Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Mine is that you are full of baloney. No way Ed Guerra is an intimidator. I don't see him blasting you with insults. When we point a finger, there are always 3 or more more pointing right back at us.
Me thinks you protest too much. A little jealousy rearing it's ugly head?
Would the constant calling of PCSO for noise complaints from STF be the voice of calm and reason? Would on of the heads of the BLC and trumpter of the STF during the development stage be that of a reasonable person? Would the idea of using an archaic dancing ban to close down the operation of a legitimate business owner be considered a pilar of the community?
Wise ... you are obviously a freind of Ed and are defending him. Perhaps you are even a member of the BLC. You are the one with zero credibility because you admit you know little about the issues yet are so rabidly vocal despite little to no tangilble interest in this due to your official residence.
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Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Mine is that you are full of baloney. No way Ed Guerra is an intimidator. I don't see him blasting you with insults. When we point a finger, there are always 3 or more more pointing right back at us.
Me thinks you protest too much. A little jealousy rearing it's ugly head?
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pipeman wrote: gk, if you are referring to me, I will have to admit that I never seen nor heard anyone threaten anyone. I know what I have heard from one of the most reliable sources on these blogs, from a source who has nothing but the best interest of this community and its people at heart, just look at the gathering she put together Saturday night for the children, that is an honest, caring person with nothing but love in her heart. Why would Bambi say that if it weren't true? What would she have to gain by making that up? Nothing.... If Bambi said it happened then it happened PERIOD...
How can you sit and say for fact that it did not happen?
Were you sitting in that vehicle on that dark and lonely stretch of road that night gk?
HMMMMM wonder if they will be threatening people again this time around?
This is all I am going to comment on this subject.
iamsublimating....now I remember. Anne was azannie oakley (or something like that) Funny how memories can come back. Guess I will have to travle down memory lane by going back to the old site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nonewcity/ and read the craziness once again for old time laughs.
Oh my gosh. how did you get that information? I need more to help with the puzzle. Can you find on that site the name two-dollar-pistol and who that person was? They were on the SanTan info. site. Does that site come up for you?Last edited on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 01:05 pm by Bambi
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gk wrote: Bambi,
You need to get your money back from those "experts" because they are wrong.
K.G. had the "nonewcity.com" website, and was NOT associated with SanTanCity.info
I don't think so gk. In fact, I should give them a bonus, as little by little, the puzzle pieces are coming together.
Thank you for stating she had the "other" site too. Now they had two of them going.
As soon as I can, I will place the "truth" on here. If you want to counter it, get yourself your own attorney, as you are a novice in this field...not an expert.
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gk, if you are referring to me, I will have to admit that I never seen nor heard anyone threaten anyone. I know what I have heard from one of the most reliable sources on these blogs, from a source who has nothing but the best interest of this community and its people at heart, just look at the gathering she put together Saturday night for the children, that is an honest, caring person with nothing but love in her heart. Why would Bambi say that if it weren't true? What would she have to gain by making that up? Nothing.... If Bambi said it happened then it happened PERIOD...
How can you sit and say for fact that it did not happen?
Were you sitting in that vehicle on that dark and lonely stretch of road that night gk?
HMMMMM wonder if they will be threatening people again this time around?
This is all I am going to comment on this subject.
iamsublimating....now I remember. Anne was azannie oakley (or something like that) Funny how memories can come back. Guess I will have to travle down memory lane by going back to the old site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nonewcity/ and read the craziness once again for old time laughs.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 02:47 am |
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Bambi,
You need to get your money back from those "experts" because they are wrong.
K.G. had the "nonewcity.com" website, and was NOT associated with SanTanCity.info
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