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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 04:47 am

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Remember the time you told me that you are only on this board for Gordon so you can report back to him all that is being said about him and to notify him when we start talking about incoproration again, and that your job was to disrupt that conversation.

And stop private messaging me asking me to meet you for a drink. You know what they say about those that are homophobic don't you....

These are BOTH untruths, meaning they are not true. At some point you made a smart remark about looking forward to having tes. That was your statement. I simply tried to accomadate you in the assumption that something constructive would come out of it. You never bothered to reply.
That was the END of it !

The first one is a straight up lie. I have never made that claim to you! That's a lie, no matter how you try to spin it. You are stuck with it!

The second one is an untruth told in a way to try and embarrass me. Lie!

What ever you say gk, my conversations with you are over... Think what you want, say what you want. It no longer matters to me, you can keep on with your vicious remarks towards me to whomever will listen, I don't really care. There will be no more responses from me to you after this response, no matter what you say. Your lies will catch up with you as they have on many occasions. I wash my hands of you. Like I said, you started this last war as you usually do. I am now ending it, but not with insults such as with your actions, but by using the IGNORE button. Who was I just talking to? I have already began the ignore......................................

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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 04:28 am

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Remember the time you told me that you are only on this board for Gordon so you can report back to him all that is being said about him and to notify him when we start talking about incoproration again, and that your job was to disrupt that conversation.

And stop private messaging me asking me to meet you for a drink. You know what they say about those that are homophobic don't you....

These are BOTH untruths, meaning they are not true. At some point you made a smart remark on this forum about looking forward to having tea. That was your statement. I simply tried to accommodate you in the assumption that something constructive would come out of it. You never bothered to reply.
That was the END of it !

The first one is a straight up lie. I have never made that claim to you! That's a lie, no matter how you try to spin it. You are stuck with it!

The second one is an untruth told in a way to try and embarrass me. Lie!

You should have NEVER said to Bryan what you said
Yes, ......you should have never treated Bryan the way that you did. You're unnatural fear of Gordon is not healthy, and Bryan was right..........you are a fanatic. You treated him without the common respect that a dog gets, and you are so paranoid because you have been left out simply because your unnatural hatred and treatment of others has kept you from being in the crowd that will get things done.

If you were really concerned about this community as you say you are, you would be man enough to realize that there will always differences of opinion, and to get anything accomplished you have to be able to work with and accept others opinions without degrading them, That is the reason you will not be looked to for accomplishing good things in this community. You have firmly staked your ground and pitched your tent on the outside of cooperation! This is my LAST response to you because you have proved to me that you will lie, and I won't waste my time with someone who makes exaggerated claims about their moral fiber and is so easy to prove wrong.

Bye

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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 04:11 am

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azsunshine wrote: 2 cents-

Look at your 2009 Property Value --there are exemptions to still claim owner/occupied if you have your family in there. Look it up--can't be your cousin or way distant relative must be child, grandchild parent, grandparent, sibling or even close in-laws. Even adopted--maybe some other people need to go adopt others huh?

gk

Your quick to call out pipe, ted and others that don't follow your opinion (rightfully so if its not true). I think it takes a strong person to stand up for yourself and against others that you don't agree with but I think it takes a stronger person to stand up against friends. So is Bambi right or wrong about her email? I will also worry about pipe if he becomes a self appointed (or by some Chamber) representative of this area.

No need to wory about me AZ. I am just the type of person you should only hope that would be your representative.

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gk wrote: YOu talk so much about your honesty and integrity but you have proved yourself....at least to me to be a liar with no integrity. When shown proof that there were no PM's between us pertaining to those lies you have told you try to make it funny, or pretend I deleted them.

And you know what, I was actually starting to belive that you might be an honest man and have some integrity........I almost believed it untill this. Stupid me!

HERE IS MORE PROOF THAT PIPE HAS LIED AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
iI can provide proof of your lies, can you prove otherwise?

http://picasaweb.google.com/gene.kilber/STH/photo#5183272597706996818

http://picasaweb.google.com/gene.kilber/STH/photo#5183272602001964130

Liar!

Oh, gk I am a good man. A good man who cares very deeply for those living within our community. Once again you started this carp as usual. I was just finishing it. You should have NEVER said to Bryan what you said. I am not the angry person you claim, I am just someone who is passionate about what happens around here and who it is that has hurt this area temendously. I am not angry that the last attempt failed, as we all know why it did. Because of dirty pool from the BLC. But that is ok, becaise what goes around comes around. If you want to get into a pissing war, you have met your match my friend. If you want to be civil and not talk all that crap you did, then I am right there with ya. The ball is in your court. But play with me and you WILL lose. That I promise you.

To all posters, gk did in fact send me some pm's, but only to meet for tea and discuss our differences. What I did, was just to get under his skin because he, once again started with that mouth of his. LIAR, the word is not in my dictionary.... Do you feel better now gk???

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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 01:21 am

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Thank you sunshine for the correct definition.

I just returned from a kick off meeting with those I mentioned earlier. Todd House was there also. Oh by the way, there were no Developers there or Attorney's that represent these developers. Todd is definetly in tune with our needs here in the San Tans. He will become more intuned when I have finished my show and tell exercise. He wants a change at the County. The first thing on his books is to address and come up with a solution to the San Tan Flats fiasco, to stop the flow of money out of our coffers. Then the zoning and the infrastructure. He is against the BLC's tactics and any who claim to be with them. The good ole boy mentality will be thrown out. Accountability and knowledge will be a requirement for employment, and an audit will be a good way to start that ball rolling.

We are planning a huge rally at my place. You will be able to attend and hear most of the Republican candidates running for County offices. You can voice your requests for change. If Todd wins, he will be our voice. No little groups forming, self appointing themselves to positions of authority, will be recognized by him....by any of these candidates. So, plan on coming out here to here them deliver their promises and committments.

I will be sending out cards to all the people in my rural area out here, and it will have the date and time posted for this event. I don't even know yet. The local paper will have the time also.

Now, let's talk about the water level dropping as I mentioned in an earlier post. I spoke to Gary Pierce, Corporation Commissioner, at this meeting today. I spoke about my great concern about the water table dropping by me in the Rurals. From 450 ft. to 1500 ft. in about 5 years. That depth to reach that water is not only fiancially prohibitive ($50,000) for the people, but at that depth, just what is in the water...arsenic?

I also addressed my concerns about George Johnson pumping the water out of here and asked if he can still give the people a 100 year guarantee. He said yes. He asked me to call him Monday, as what I told him has brought great concern to him....the recharge areas should be restoring the table......not here I said. It was a great time, educating ourselves and educating the candidates and the politicians....without special interest groups hanging on you.

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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 10:35 pm

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2 cents-

Look at your 2009 Property Value --there are exemptions to still claim owner/occupied if you have your family in there. Look it up--can't be your cousin or way distant relative must be child, grandchild parent, grandparent, sibling or even close in-laws. Even adopted--maybe some other people need to go adopt others huh?

gk

Your quick to call out pipe, ted and others that don't follow your opinion (rightfully so if its not true). I think it takes a strong person to stand up for yourself and against others that you don't agree with but I think it takes a stronger person to stand up against friends. So is Bambi right or wrong about her email? I will also worry about pipe if he becomes a self appointed (or by some Chamber) representative of this area.

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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 09:18 pm

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YOu talk so much about your honesty and integrity but you have proved yourself....at least to me to be a liar with no integrity. When shown proof that there were no PM's between us pertaining to those lies you have told you try to make it funny, or pretend I deleted them.

And you know what, I was actually starting to belive that you might be an honest man and have some integrity........I almost believed it untill this. Stupid me!

HERE IS MORE PROOF THAT PIPE HAS LIED AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
iI can provide proof of your lies, can you prove otherwise?

http://picasaweb.google.com/gene.kilber/STH/photo#5183272597706996818

http://picasaweb.google.com/gene.kilber/STH/photo#5183272602001964130

Liar!

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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 08:42 pm

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2 cents wrote: It's all on the public record. Would you like me to show you?

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Oops....haven't left yet. good. Now: PLEASE COME OVER AND SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE ON PUBLIC RECORD THAT I OWN 4 "OWNER-OCCUPIED" HOMES IN THE SAN TANS, (UNLAWFUL ACT)AND PLEASE DEFINE HOW YOU KNOW THEY ARE ALL OWNER-OCCUPIED.

I ONLY OCCUPY MY MOBILE HOME, AS I AM ONLY ONE PERSON. I ALREADY MENTIONED ON HERE FOR GK'S SAKE, WHAT I OWNED IN TERMS OF LAND OUT HERE. NOW WE MUST SATISFY YOUR REQUEST.....BUT REMEMBER, I DO HAVE HOMES THAT I OWNED OUT HERE, BUT MY CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES ALL LIVE IN THEM AND ONE BURNED DOWN. MY KIDS ARE BUYING THEM ON TERMS, SO PLEASE BECAREFUL WHAT YOU REVEAL ON HERE, IN TERMS OF ADDRESSES OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND....JUST WHAT IS YOUR MOTIVATION FOR DOING ALL OF THIS? PLEASE ANSWER.

THERE ARE STALKERS AND MURDERERS AND CHILD MOLTESTERS THAT MAY FREQUENT THIS SITE. HOW DO I KNOW YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM? 2CENTS? SOUNDS FISHY TO ME. YOUR NEED TO BRING SUSPICION TO ME ON HERE CAUSES ME TO QUESTION YOUR MOTIVES. SOMEONE WHO ASKS TO PUT ADDRESSES ON HERE, AT THE RISK OF EXPOSING THOSE LOCATIONS AND FAMILIES TO POTENTIAL CRIMINALS THAT MAY BE LURKING, IS ONE WHO HAS NO RESPECT FOR PERSON'S WELLBEING. iF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW, THEY CAN GO TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS AND FIND OUT WHAT i OWN. i HAVE NO NEED TO HIDE ANYTHING, BUT I HAVE NO NEED TO REVEAL IT ON THIS PUBLIC SITE EITHER.

YOU'RE GETTING AWFULLY CLOSE TO THAT THIRD STRIKE.

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It's all on the public record. Would you like me to show you?

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Before you state your third possible lie, I won't be here to receive it, so I will place this information on here, so one can keep in mind that there are rules we have to play by on here, to protect our free speech rights. Here's one of them:

"Individuals making false representations, libelous or defamatory comments, are not welcome on this site and are granted no right to aninimoty....."

Should this happen, the webmaster has the right to remove the post, the poster and his membership.

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So, to avoid people thinking I am doing something secret, that is not happening. I my way now to meet with Senator Chuck Gray; Rep. Jeff Flake; Sec. of State Janet Brewer; Corporation Commissioner Kris Mayes, and others and my intent is to give them an earful of what we are going thru down here....that includes Johnson Utilities, the lack of adequate infrastructure; the lack of industrial and developement.

I was told that the State takes potential industrial giants around, to locate sites for their large industries. They never take them our way. That has to change. We want CHANGE! Not the SAME. We want your attention and we are the most in need. Don't cut our highway funds and so on..............nothing secret. Just speaking for all of us. I'm tired of waiting thru 4 light changes to go forward, only to get behind another 50 cars, waiting for a light change on a two lane hiway, carrying just about all of us and Coolidge out of here. something has to give.

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2 cents wrote: You are absolutely correct. My mistake and I apologize for that. You do not own an owner occupied property in Eloy. All four of them are in the San Tan area. Sorry.

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One again, this is a lie. 3 strikes and your out.

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You are absolutely correct. My mistake and I apologize for that. You do not own an owner occupied property in Eloy. All four of them are in the San Tan area. Sorry.

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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 06:33 pm

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2 cents wrote: Thought you went to Eloy to live in one of your 4 'owner occupied' homes?

gnat

This one.

I don't own any homes in Eloy, and it's unlawful to own 4 "owner occupied" homes anywhere, so your words are suggestive that I am committing an unlawful act. To me, you show no ability to think critically on this public forum or evaluate the emotional or legal repercussions your false statements may have on someone, before you say them....produced pehaps, by a false sense of security many bloggers have when they write behind a phoney name......this is what causes me to avoid you, so please don't address me anymore. Thank you.

I was also asked to come back by several likeminded people on here, and off of here. I am here to defend our "homeland"....the SanTansMts.community, by defending truth.

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And which lie am I perpetuating now?

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2 cents wrote: Thought you went to Eloy to live in one of your 4 'owner occupied' homes?

gnat

You're a trouble maker, who perpetrates lies to get a rise. I am here to defend freedom.

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I want Bryan to know that this is the reason that he is being singled out by us in the San Tans....his distorted view of Gordon's integrity, brought on by lack of knowledge and history perhaps. Like I said before, you are who you hang with.....take him out of the equation, and we will listen to you, as you have demonstrated some very positive qualities.

The BLC and Gordon Brown are two different issues as far as Iâ€™m concerned.Â Iâ€™ve met/worked with members of the BLC and they are stalwarts in the community.Â Iâ€™m not a member of the organization and Iâ€™m not familiar with their agenda or mantra.Â I do know that they were fantastic with the dedication of the Nathan Martenâ€™s Memorial.Â I was honored to work with Arizonans/Americans that cared so deeply for my fellow military brothers and sisters.Â I have nothing but positive comments about the members of BLC that I worked with. Â

Gordon Brown is a friend of mine.Â I worked with him on the Martenâ€™s Memorial and he was stellar.Â I know Gordon has worked within the San Tan community for years and is very well thought of at the County.Â Iâ€™ve never witnessed anything but a man of integrity and genuine concern for his community.Â As a man committed to the future of our county, I asked Gordon to help with my campaign in the San Tan area.Â I donâ€™t believe youâ€™ll find a harder worker and a more candid person in the county.Â Well, Bambi, you might be as candidâ€¦Â Iâ€™m not going to apologize for recognizing the qualities of Gordon Brown.Â Iâ€™m honored to have his help on my campaign; just as Iâ€™d be honored to have your help. Â

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I'm sorry to hear that you've had a poor experience with some in the community.

Poor experience??? That is the understatement of the century!!!

Bryan..Here is another example of a poor experience. The associates of Mr. Brown who benefited from that zoning swap I mentioned used to donate money to Queen Creek for youth programs. A zoning issue came up and those folks basically told the Town Of Queen Creek if they didnt vote his way he would stop donating to the towns youth programs. Queen Creek doesnt get any money from him any longer. Nice bunch of folks you have on your team Bryan. Remember, dont take my word for this stuff ask around and verify for yourself.

The list of poor experiences is a long one Bryan. Lets hope your campaign isnt added to the list.

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Thought you went to Eloy to live in one of your 4 'owner occupied' homes?

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"never murder a man who is in the process of committing suicide"......Woodrow Wilson.

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gk wrote: Mr. Martyn,

This blog is a waste of time. The people who post here are truly hateful and miserable people who have nothing better to do than to hate and complain about people who think differently than them.

Miserable pipe is under the delusion that he is THE majority and several others that post here think the same. They are still butt hurt because they failed to incorporate this area and they just can't let it go. Very disturbed individuals who don't know what to do but piss and moan, retell old lies and make up new ones.

These hateful people did not even give you a chance to show who and what you stand for, but instead started slinging angry and hateful slurs.

It's very easy to see the lack of ethics and integrity of these people by the fact that they are too chicken**** to use their real names....hiding behind a phony ID

I have stopped replying to these animals because it is not at all constructive. To create hate and division is their only agenda.

I am interested in how they treat Todd House and if he kisses their ass.

well now look what crawled out of the casket, must mean the sun went down. Say what ya want, think what ya want, noone really gives a hairy rats arse what you say, think or feel. I do not feel I am the majority. let me let you in on a little sceret there Gene, it taks more than one to be the majority in a communtiy of this size...

You are right we piss and moan. as we want to get the word out about your BLC bud Gordon. That is all you all care about is yourselves. At least I can honestly say that I care about the community. What are you rattling on about now gk, slinging angry and hateful slurs towards Bryan? You are about as dern nuts as your nut-hut friend Anne. Show me where I slung slurs towars him.......... I told him that he has made a bad choice and he will not get my vote due to the people he chose to be on his campaign. But mainly due to the way he chose to sp[eak to me in open forum, not wise for a supervisor hopeful. I then showed him proof of the unethical behavior of your BFF Gordon, as Bryan said he did not want to hear one side. So I guess if you looked slinging slurs in your little dictionary that you need, then I guess I slung slurs......

He lost his chance since he decided to have one of the most unethical people living in this area on his campaign, what, please don't tell me he is going to get the rest of your rat pack on there as well. I also told him that he made his bed, so he will have lie in it. I then wished him luck as he will need it.

There is "ONLY" one hateful person on this board and that is YOU. What give my real name so you and your group can try to drag me through the mud like you have done Bambi.... I will come forward soon enough. Then let's see one of your gang try and threaten me with a gun. The funny thing is....... you know who I am, we have talked several times. Remember the time you told me that you are only on this board for Gordon so you can report back to him all that is being said about him and to notify him when we start talking about incoproration again, and that your job was to disrupt that conversation. Well run back to him you little stool pigeon and tell him that we are gathering the masses. He best better be prepared more than he was last time. Because signatures are going to be collected different this time. You will no longer be able to have your stoolie friends that do not live in this area sign that they want to incorporate like you did last time...so those name are thrown out, (yes Gene we know what you did last summer) just like Gordon done with the J Curve petition and the other one....

You have stopped replying to us? That's funny, as everyone on here refuses to reply to you and your group. Man you are laying it on thick for your boy Gordons supervisor hopeful aren't you.... that is really not needed gk, as Gordon has him believing his bull crap already. Ethics and integrity......man them are awefully long words for you, that's right you use a dictionary.... well let me tell you..naw never mind it is way to complicated for a person such as yourself......

As said to Bryan, he screwed up by his choice of campaign people, now he will have to live with that decision. I know Todd House about as much as I know Bryan and that is not at all. At least Todd never opened mouth and inserted foot in an open forum by saying to me what Bryan did. If he did/does, he would not get my vote either. And by the way, I have lost more integrity and ethics than you could possibly ever hope to possess. I can look myselff in the mirror and at least know that I have NEVER screwed over my fellow man and my fellow neighbors by poor choices I have made, just to make things better for me. Can you say that Gene, can Gordon say that Gene....... HELL NO. Hateful, you bet I am. Hateful that Sandie allowed Gordon and the bunch to run roughshod over this area, angry that Sandie sucked at her job, which made this community suffer, angry that Stan stole money and took away from infrastructure, amongst other things, but hatful of people ......NEVER. I hate situations not people.

Now this will be my last post to you, unless you get on here and do your usual thing........... lie through your tooth. And stop private messaging me asking me to meet you for a drink. You know what they say about those that are homophobic don't you....

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Mr. Dale,

I'm sorry to hear that you've had a poor experience with some in the community. The offer of one-on-one dialogue remains open. I'm happy to meet at your convenience to discuss your concerns and the direction you think the county should go.

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Bryan,

I appreciate you coming on here to discuss things. But I also have to say that your close relationship with Gordon Brown has lost my vote. Pinal County needs new thinking and you are clearly not it.

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Mr. Pipeman,

The offer will always remain open. Our opinions may be more similar than you think. We obviously share a passion for our community. Know that I will always hear your voice; it is the American way. I prefer one-on-one communication, but the choice of dialogue will remain yours.

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BryanMartyn wrote: Mr. Pipeman,

I am not going to choose a side on an issue that I have only one side represented. Your vendetta against Mr. Brown is discouraging and bordering on fanatical. The fact that you expect disparaging remarks from my behalf relative to a fellow citizen who has worked for the betterment of the county is also discouraging.

As far as garnering your vote, of course I'd like your vote. But, I'm not going to kiss your butt to get it. If someone else wants to kiss your butt, that's their prerogative.

If you're serious about knowing what I'm about, I invite you to call or write. I'm happy to come over to your home and discuss issues and my moral fiber.

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Whoa there big guy. Noone is asking you to kiss my butt. You mentioned there was no unethical stuff going on and I attched the proof of your boy. Read it, then you will have two sides. You are darn right I am fanatical when it comes to him and his cronies. They have screwed us people in this area for so long under Sandies watch. Worked for the betterment of the community? What flipping planet do you live on. He has worked for the betterment of himself......PERIOD. My vendetta huh...what about his vendetta to screw this area over??? Never mind, as I can see I am wasting my time. As a citizen of Pinal county, I will always warn people about those that seek to destroy this wonderfularea those of us that live here call home, whether you or anyone else likes or approves of it. You do not live here, so you can not phathom what I am talking about. You are a one sided man who does not want to hear the truths about hthose you choose for your campaign staff.

If I am serious about knowing what you are about.. you have got to be kidding me right... You have just shown me what you are about Bryan. I no longer have a desire to meet you let alone talk to you. You have lost my interest in you as well as you have lost my vote (if you were going to get it-you certainly will not now). You are sinking your own ship and you do not even realize it. That's your bed, you sleep in it. I wish you luck, you will need it.

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Black Widow,

Your scenario unfortunately rings true fairly often in our county. For far too long it's mattered more who you know than what you know. The days of backroom deals and hookin' a friend up are going away.

Our county is on the brink of unprecedented growth and progress. It's more imperative than ever that citizens know that their wants/needs/desires are being addressed in the open forum.

I believe that most people understand that we're not going to agree on everything and that things won't always go the way we want them to. But, there is no excuse for not having the opportunity to have our voices heard.

Some here have asked for more opportunities to get involved in the process... to say their piece. I completely support expanded public forums at different times of the day and night. This is OUR County. No single group/person/elected official should have the opportunity to run roughshod on the community.

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Well..I'm sorry Bryan..but your guy..Mr.Brown did just that regarding land over by Bonanza Ranch that the developer wanted to build on. People know the history. They know the players. Thats just one example. Pinal doesnt want a continuation of Ms. Smiths legacy. Neither do any of the surrounding communities.

Go talk to residents and property owners that live in Bonanza Ranch. They were all blind sided by Mr. Browns brokered deal that was done secretly. You obviously seem aligned with Mr. Brown and his practices yet want the secret deals to end. Cant have it both ways. Thanks for being honest and making that clear. Your values and ideals are in conflict with your associations. Good luck with your campaign.

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Black Widow,

Your scenario unfortunately rings true fairly often in our county. For far too long it's mattered more who you know than what you know. The days of backroom deals and hookin' a friend up are going away.

Our county is on the brink of unprecedented growth and progress. It's more imperative than ever that citizens know that their wants/needs/desires are being addressed in the open forum.

I believe that most people understand that we're not going to agree on everything and that things won't always go the way we want them to. But, there is no excuse for not having the opportunity to have our voices heard.

Some here have asked for more opportunities to get involved in the process... to say their piece. I completely support expanded public forums at different times of the day and night. This is OUR County. No single group/person/elected official should have the opportunity to run roughshod on the community.

Sincerely,
Bryan

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How about the zoning swap question? What do you think about something like that Bryan?

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Mr. Pipeman,

I am not going to choose a side on an issue that I have only one side represented. Your vendetta against Mr. Brown is discouraging and bordering on fanatical. The fact that you expect disparaging remarks from my behalf relative to a fellow citizen who has worked for the betterment of the county is also discouraging.

As far as garnering your vote, of course I'd like your vote. But, I'm not going to kiss your butt to get it. If someone else wants to kiss your butt, that's their prerogative.

If you're serious about knowing what I'm about, I invite you to call or write. I'm happy to come over to your home and discuss issues and my moral fiber.

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Can someone explain something for me… is the position of County Supervisor a full-time responsibility or is it an oversight (legislative) position??? Is this a position someone does in addition to their employment as a private citizen or do supervisors earn their living as county supervisors??? If our county supervisors are full-time positions, I would prefer seeking a much larger county board – 9 members minimum – of part-time positions that simply act in a legislative capacity.

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I hope that anyone seeking the office of county supervisor is ready to take a step back and reevaluate the proper responsibilities of county government. Spending should then be limited to those proper responsibilities and no others.

Does county government provide services that are more appropriately provided at a local level??? If so, the county MUST transition away from providing these services; allow and demand local communities (incorporated or not) to self govern through both local taxation and local spending.

Are any candidates ready and willing to take on unfunded state and/or federal mandates??? These MUST end.

Spending MUST be reduced to reign in the rate of taxation – not only are property taxes high, but our county sales tax is greater than the sales taxes assessed by Maricopa and Pima counties. This creates an additional obstacle for Pinal county businesses and local municipalities bordering these other counties.

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I so appreciate your candor. The recent baseball batting average analogy is encouraging; too bad I'm batting 1000 in the wrong direction.

As far as garnering your vote, I'm not a professional politician. I'm a guy who has a vision for the county and who is dedicated to the wants/needs/desires of its citizens. I'm not going to sway my writings/opinions simply to appease. The light at the end of the tunnel is knowing that I want what is best for District 2.

As far as the support of individual citizens or groups, I will continue to give support until they demonstrate behavior counter to ethical behavior or the wants/needs/desires of the county. I've discounted nobody in this county.

I'm sticking to my reply about incorporation. I believe that groups of citizens should be afforded the opportunity for self rule if they possess the desire and ability.

As far as lessening the tax burden, you'll find I am a champion of lower taxes. We must cut the waste out of our government; at every level. I'm a big fan of Ayn Rand's writings (Atlas Shrugged) if you'd like more insight into my fiscal beliefs.

Thanks for your questions. I look forward to continued dialogue.

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Bryan, here is your unethicak behavior which was performed by your campaign man Gordon and by George the county approved it. Look at the signatures collected on the attached lin, notice that all but 2 are people that do not live in this area, so why then were these petitions acccepted? I repeat, these signatures were collected by your boy Gordon. http://www.newszapforums.com/attachment.php?id=11468

Go ahead and read them, then you tell me that this was not unethical. As far as garnering my vote is really not the proper talk from a man who is seeking office in the county for which I live. You should be trying to garner all the votes you can get. With the things Gordon has done and it has been said that he is not a worthy person to have on your campaign, yet you keep him around, that is not smart politics. We shall see what you have to say after reading the petitions. That was all negotiated by Gordon. If you keep him on board after reading those, you can consider votes from the majority of this area history.

Todd, what says you regarding these matters with the petitions? You write like a man seeking office who wants to do the right thing and make the needed changes.

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I so appreciate your candor. The recent baseball batting average analogy is encouraging; too bad I'm batting 1000 in the wrong direction.

As far as garnering your vote, I'm not a professional politician. I'm a guy who has a vision for the county and who is dedicated to the wants/needs/desires of its citizens. I'm not going to sway my writings/opinions simply to appease. The light at the end of the tunnel is knowing that I want what is best for District 2.

As far as the support of individual citizens or groups, I will continue to give support until they demonstrate behavior counter to ethical behavior or the wants/needs/desires of the county. I've discounted nobody in this county.

I'm sticking to my reply about incorporation. I believe that groups of citizens should be afforded the opportunity for self rule if they possess the desire and ability.

As far as lessening the tax burden, you'll find I am a champion of lower taxes. We must cut the waste out of our government; at every level. I'm a big fan of Ayn Rand's writings (Atlas Shrugged) if you'd like more insight into my fiscal beliefs.

Thanks for your questions. I look forward to continued dialogue.

Sincerely,
Bryan
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Bryan, I want to broker a zoning swap for a friend to enhance their property back in the San Tans for zoning needed for a subdivision in a more populated area. I want a developer I know who needs zoning to build homes to help with the cost of this deal. I dont want the property owners near the development to know about this OK. I want to keep it a secret because the home owners near the proposed development might not like the idea. Can you help me out with this? Sounds like a good idea, dont it? My friends get what they want. The developer gets what he wants. I score some points with my friends. The affected home owners wont really care and dont need to know. What do you say? Can we hook up? Thanks.

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Mr. Pipeman,

I so appreciate your candor. The recent baseball batting average analogy is encouraging; too bad I'm batting 1000 in the wrong direction.

As far as garnering your vote, I'm not a professional politician. I'm a guy who has a vision for the county and who is dedicated to the wants/needs/desires of its citizens. I'm not going to sway my writings/opinions simply to appease. The light at the end of the tunnel is knowing that I want what is best for District 2.

As far as the support of individual citizens or groups, I will continue to give support until they demonstrate behavior counter to ethical behavior or the wants/needs/desires of the county. I've discounted nobody in this county.

I'm sticking to my reply about incorporation. I believe that groups of citizens should be afforded the opportunity for self rule if they possess the desire and ability.

As far as lessening the tax burden, you'll find I am a champion of lower taxes. We must cut the waste out of our government; at every level. I'm a big fan of Ayn Rand's writings (Atlas Shrugged) if you'd like more insight into my fiscal beliefs.

Thanks for your questions. I look forward to continued dialogue.

Sincerely,
Bryan
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gk wrote: I can understand your concerns, but what I don't understand is the rush to judgment about what Jack and Gordon have in mind. It seems to me that anyone should be given a chance to show what they are looking to do before making judgments about good or no good.

As I understand it, right now no one really knows what is being worked on but I still believe that they should be given a chance before rushing off to judgments, and making accusations.

It just seems really odd that some are claiming Jack and Gordon have ulterior motives when they haven't even been given a chance to present what is going on.

Like it or not, these two men have more knowledge about government and community service than nearly any one else.

Give it a chance......then if you don't like it you can complain.

Gene, the thing is, it is known what they have in mind. I will not reveal how it is known, but it is. I do not like the fact that a plan has been set in place without the community input, as that is what Jack said would happen and now that has not happened.

Sorry, I know you don't like hearing this, but I persoanlly do not like the fact that Gordon is on the committee. His decsions in the past have wrecked havoc on this area and that just can not happen any longer, we will not let it happen any longer. We have a very beautiful area with many great opportunities, this should push all of us to come together to work together, but that will not happen with Gordon invloved, as he only wants what is best for him and his friends and not what is best for this area.

How can you possibly say that these two have more knowledge than nearly anyone else. Do you have any idea what people have done in the past? Do you have any idea what I have done? For all you know I was on a planning and zoning board, council member and a vice mayor from the big city where I cam from. How do you know we don't have past county, city, state government position holders in our community? That is a pretty broad assumption to make with all these people living in our community.

Gordon may have community service experience but government (correct government) experience I have not seen. Jack admits that he don't know much about government. I am not saying these two men are not intelligent, as I know Jack is and I would assume Gordon is, but he has made MANY bad decisions thus far.

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I can understand your concerns, but what I don't understand is the rush to judgment about what Jack and Gordon have in mind. It seems to me that anyone should be given a chance to show what they are looking to do before making judgments about good or no good.

As I understand it, right now no one really knows what is being worked on but I still believe that they should be given a chance before rushing off to judgments, and making accusations.

It just seems really odd that some are claiming Jack and Gordon have ulterior motives when they haven't even been given a chance to present what is going on.

Like it or not, these two men have more knowledge about government and community service than nearly any one else.

Give it a chance......then if you don't like it you can complain.

Just my opinion...........but you know what they say about opinions

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gk wrote: Just how reasonable is it to look for the board of Supervisors to do their work in the evenings? Municipalities and governments work during the daytime as a rule and to expect them to do their business in the evening is unreasonable imo.

If there is an item on the agenda that means enough to you, why don't you take a day off and attend? Why should they forfeit their time with their families just to satisfy you? And just how many more people would attend in the evening than do in the daytime? Like it or not people say they want to be involved and participate, but when it comes right down to it they lose interest. Public apathy.

From what I have seen, the only way that you participate in the community is to complain on this blog. Do you really think that anyone is going to value your vote over any one else's, to the point of meeting your specified criteria for getting your vote?

A few of you unwittingly are in the business of negative marketing. Marketing applies to more than material products. It is used to promote, or, in your case to destroy people and ideas. The power of marketing lies in repetition. When you repeat an idea often enough within a certain time span, it becomes permanently rooted in the mind. People and ideas can be marketed. Ideology can be marketed. Marketing is the science of propaganda and image projection, and several of you have been deeply involved in the destructive marketing of Gordon Brown and Anne Reed, also myself. I don't care what you think of me because I consider the source, but you demonization of Gordon and Anne is pathetic.

They have rights just as you do. They are not elected so you have no control over them and that's what pisses you off. Both of them have worked for years to make their community better in the way that they believe it does and just because you see things differently you slander them. What gives you the right to try to destroy them in public?????

Each of you have the potential to become involved in your community just as much as they are...........but you don't! You complain, whine and snivel because they are doing what you wished that you had the will and desire to contribute. Your contribution is spewing venom on this blog.

I REPEAT!
They have just as much right to participate in their community as you do.

Some of the stuff some of you are saying is just out and out lies. Lies that are made up out of suspicions in your minds, or lies that are repeated enough until they become truth. Now some of you are making the suggestion that Jack Malpass is compromised and is not looking out for the best interests of the community as he see's it.

You owe Gordon, Anne, Jack and anyone else that does not see things the same way as you do, apologies. Your hatreds feed off of one another. Can your lives be so miserable that the only thing you have to offer is contempt, ridicule and hatred??

I don't expect that anyone that is voted in to County Government will ever please some of you, but I am sure that no one will lose any sleep over the fact that you don't approve of anything or anyone.

Gene, in fact it is very reasonable for the BOS to move the meetings to the evenings. They worl for us, therefore they should move their meetings if that is what we ask. It is no different than when your boss at the proving ground asked you to do a particular function, you did it because the boss asked. Well when it comes to the BOS, we are their boss.

Noone is asking for our vote to be valued over anyone elses, we are asking to to have our vote heard and not give slective people authority over us, without our knowledge and approval. That is all we want to be heard too.

Gordon does not feel empathy for to masses when he makes decisions that negatively affect the whole. His decisions are based on what is best for him and his group of associates.

We are not pissed that we have no control over Gordon or anyone else for that matter. We are pissed that he was given free reign by Sandie to make decisions that he has NO business to make. He does not represent this area, none of us gave him authority to speak on our behalf. I personally never gave him my approval to do so, I do not want him to speak for me, nor will I put up with him to continue to speak for me. It is nothing personal as you think, it is about right and wrong. You are absolutely correct that they have rights, noone is disputing that, but they DO NOT have the right to speak for us, or to negotiate any deals. If they want to speak for your group, then I applaud that as I feel everyone should be able to voice their wants, needs, ideas, opinions, etc..Of course many see things differently than Gordon because he tries to speak on the behalf of this community and we will never see things the same because of it. He is destroying us in the pocket book by his poor decisions made.

You say that all some of on here do is whine, complain and snivle and th