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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 08:27 pm |
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The bush money machine
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 02:06 am |
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The truth about billy clinton...........
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6107885031407830500&q=Bill+Clinton+His+Life&total=178&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
and king george follows in his pathetic steps with the destruction of America
if you think that is astounding, watch for the sequel on king george in NovemberLast edited on Thu May 15th, 2008 03:50 am by gk
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 07:21 pm |
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you made my point again
Nothing of substance from you. Nothing!!! Only derision and name calling
THis is a pure waste of time
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 06:39 pm |
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GK, You're slipping. You forgot to include condescending, arrogant, chauvinistic, simple minded and shallow. And since I am all of the above and more, how could I possibly search my intellectually stunted mind to rebut the supremely intelligent links you post. After all, if it aint on Fox news, it caint be true. (that was misspelled on purpose to drive your point home) I find I'm just going to have to bow to your superior internet trolling capabilities. I sure know I don't have the time or trolling expertise you do and even if I did, your superior skill set would surely overwhelm me!
Please note just in case you missed it, the above is total sarcasm. And don't try to assume anything GK, it can only make you look worse than you already do. You just seem to let your anger take over and blind you to reality. On the other hand, we can agree (yes it is possible) that all is not right with the way things are, we just disagree about the way to fix it. Anarchy is not the way and your paranoia only fuels your fire.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 03:31 am |
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You see GK, you can post all that you want, but the simple fact is they are not YOUR opinions.
What do you mean they are not my opinions? You don't know!!! You are pathetically shallow and insecure.
What I post is for informational purposes and for intelligent and open minded people to be exposed to something they may not be aware of.
You are so very quick to pathetically cry......Conspiracy nut without a single word or example of discussion or rebuttal.
Your only comments to me.......from your very first post have been demeaning, rude and immature. If you disagree with something........show some form of rebuttal or proof.
I can only assume from your posts, that you are intellectually stunted, and have no way of coping with something that threatens your crude view of the world and it's many facets that you don't hear on your TV.
"A good argument diluted to avoid criticism is not nearly as good as the undiluted argument, because we best arrive at truth through a process of honest and vigorous debate. Arguments should not sneak around in disguise, as if dissent were somehow sinister... For it is bravery that is required to secure freedom."
Clarence Thomas, U. S. Supreme Court Justice, Lecture, 13 February 2001
I understand that it may be much to complicated for you to read much. Name calling and blind adherence to the news media are your safe spots and independent thought is just too scary of an option.
Go back to sleep........all is well......zzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:50 am |
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You see GK, you can post all that you want, but the simple fact is they are not YOUR opinions. You cut and paste websites with wild stories, submit quotes from people, and try to make us believe it is your opinion. State your opinion, not those of websites which normal rational people laugh at. You can tell us the horrors of our ways through clever posting of others opinions, but in the end, alas, you don't speak through your own words. Without your own words to back it up, it means nothing and renders you....just another nutcase conspiricy theorist.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 09:10 pm |
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just for you wavy
"The oppression of any people for opinion's sake has rarely had any other effect than to fix those opinions deeper, and render them more important."
—Hosea Ballou (1771-1852)
Sarcasm has its place and time, but not in this place...every time! I think most posters in this forum enjoy a good issue oriented argument and we will from time-to-time get on our pedestal and shout from the pulpit, but personal attacks and continuous sarcasm makes it seem like you don't play well with others. We will give and take when necessary,and sometimes we don't see the sarcasm in our own voices, but most of us try to play well......
yea....right!
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 08:48 pm |
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gk wrote: that's OK wavy........you are a shining example of ..........well.............I guess I don't know what your problem is......but I bet it's hard to pronounce Most people pronounce it Rational, level headed, and sane! You really should try it.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:48 pm |
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The profits of war!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09fri2.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:28 pm |
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Another mans views, ........just as valid as yours or mine!
http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=702
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I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst, and to provide for it."
—Patrick Henry
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 11:35 pm |
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| that's OK wavy........you are a shining example of ..........well.............I guess I don't know what your problem is......but I bet it's hard to pronounce
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 06:07 pm |
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| The name of this thread is "Controversial....things that make you go WTF". GK, you make me go WTF! I don't know whether to laugh or scream, so sometimes I just do both.......
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 02:25 am |
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Let me save you some time and thought!
Crazy paranoid nut job here, got my tin foil hat on, hiding in the cave!!!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd360.htm
http://www.americanpolicy.org/
If nothing else....spend the time reading this, then you can make a valid comment to particulars
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 11:25 pm |
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So just how far out of touch with reality is boy george?
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/3007150.cms
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to
interpret law."
George W. Bush
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Comment made in Austin, TX and reported by Slate magazine.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:47 pm |
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JJohnson wrote: 2 cents wrote: Are you implying that if the illegal is not smart enough to know that he shouldn't include his girlfriend in the drivers id photo that he is also not smart enough to use a bogus address?
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Photo Shop makes these internet postings too easy. I see it all too often and I doubt that the rocket scientist that would use that kind of photo would be smart enough to come up with an address like that or be smart enough to know how to make such a license to begin with. You say they are stupid but in the next breath you give them credit for being able to produce the license in the first place. What are they, smart or stupid? Can't be both at the same time.
I'm having a hard time figuring out where I called them stupid. Please help.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:04 pm |
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| I did not accuse your source of being a racist. You did not disclose the source so I couldnot make that judgement. It was just a warning as many racists will go to any length to prove their point. Don't get used by them and consequently become guilty by association. Just ask Barrack Obama.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 09:30 pm |
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Make sure your illegal alien info does not come from a racist hate monger.
Why is anything that is mentioned about the problem of illegal trespassers into the country always racist and hate mongering
Those are buzzwords that enablers of law breakers like to use.
A great number of Americans are tired of giving free health care, food stamps, and all of the other benefits to those who break our laws, when people like my friend Jose who is an American Hispanic, and has lived here all of his life, but was refused a procedure because he had no health insurance.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is a large number of fake ID makers out there. Very easy to obtain.
Racism and hate mongering are not part of the equation, except for a very few instances.
Those who enable the breaking of laws, are just as guilty as those who do.
A simple mapquest search shows that that address is in the middle of a commercial district Wow.......a smoking gun. You mean he didn't put his real address on it??Last edited on Thu May 8th, 2008 09:33 pm by gk
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 09:17 pm |
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2 cents wrote: Are you implying that if the illegal is not smart enough to know that he shouldn't include his girlfriend in the drivers id photo that he is also not smart enough to use a bogus address?
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Photo Shop makes these internet postings too easy. I see it all too often and I doubt that the rocket scientist that would use that kind of photo would be smart enough to come up with an address like that or be smart enough to know how to make such a license to begin with. You say they are stupid but in the next breath you give them credit for being able to produce the license in the first place. What are they, smart or stupid? Can't be both at the same time.
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Are you implying that if the illegal is not smart enough to know that he shouldn't include his girlfriend in the drivers id photo that he is also not smart enough to use a bogus address?
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 08:36 pm |
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While that makes for some good comedy this was the easiest internet hoax to figure out. A simple mapquest search shows that that address is in the middle of a commercial district. In fact the aerial view shows the address to be an electrical sub station. Make sure your illegal alien info does not come from a racist hate monger.
[url=http://www.mapquest.com/maps/3535+Highway+80+E+Pearl+MS+39208-4050/#a/maps/l::3535+Highway+80+E earl:MS:39208-4050::32.2836:-90.090204:address:/m:hyb:12:32.2836:-90.090204:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e]http://www.mapquest.com/maps/3535+Highway+80+E+Pearl+MS+39208-4050/#a/maps/l::3535+Highway+80+Eearl:MS:39208-4050::32.2836:-90.090204:address:/m:hyb:12:32.2836:-90.090204:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e[/url]
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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An illegal's driver license.........definatley not the brightest individual
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With the exception of Enron all of the companies that are in your list of evil doers I see very successful employers and supporters of families like yours and mine.
Thank God there are companies out there that are successful and provide an avenue for achieving the American dream. How many people do you employ? How much payroll tax do you pay? How many millions of dollars do you pay to charities every year?
gk wrote:
Democracy or Corporatism?
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Napolitano - A Nation Of Sheep -
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McLame - LaRaza
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Democracy or Corporatism?
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 03:47 am |
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And your rhetoric is old and tiresome.
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I am most likely THE MOST optimistic person you will ever encounter. I do not fear the government, the boogey man or the BLC. I am mad as hell and I do what I can to make people realize what is happening to this country. You have a record of dimissing everything as "conspiracy nutism". I don't hear you calling for reform of the 2 parites that are idiot bastard sons of the same mother.
I don't hear you questioning the bush clan for it's support of terrorism, or Corporatism. I don't hear you questioning the lass of Posse Comitatus.
I don't hear you questioning the state of greed that has taken control of this country and has caused oil prices to skyrocket because of commodity speculation. Or question the food commodity speculation that is causing food riots and starvation....all due to greed.
I don't hear you doing anything........I mean nothing!!!!!
Your silence and you condemnation of outrage is merely weak acceptance of what is happening. If you are not part of the outrage and the solution then you are simply a part of the problem.
From what I have seen from you is .....you don't care what happems to America...to the poor........to the homeless......I mean.....everything is AOK in your eyes. You have not shown me anything else but contempt for my outrage and my call to responsibility for what is happening!!!!
Your silence is deafening and is total....
Why not start here........great idea http://www.sinnersandsaints.info
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The difference GK, is that you are the only one who keeps telling us that WE believe what the media is giving us. What you fail to understand is we really can think for ourselves and don't need Fox, CBS, NBC et al to tell us what to think. Just because we don't think your way doesn't make us sheeple, doesn't make us blind followers, and doesn't mean we don't have our doubts about what is going on. We however don't run around with "The sky is falling" additude and walk around looking up all the time. YOU DO...you think there is a man peeking at you from the van parked across the street all the time. You think you are educating us, but in reality you are slowly sinking into the abyss and may not be able to claw your way out. You see gloom and doom and conspiracy in everything. I'm sorry something in your life has caused you to be this way, and I truly mean that, but for cryin-out-loud enough already with the world domination conspiracy theories. I don't have blinders on or my head in the sand so your usual retort will not be necessary.
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So the fact that Burien has been concerned with this issue for so long simply makes it a conspiracy in your eyes. What I keep hearing from some of you is guilt by association or guilt by no "formal media response" In your eyes this makes everyhting a non issue, even if the facts are there and are verifiable?
I didn't hear about it on cnn so it just ain't true!!!
You are the most desirable citizens of a government or a fascist state because you simply follow along like the good little sheep that you are.
An illiterate, fearful populace is the easiest to control and to manipulate, stand proud sheeple and follow the leader.....that way you don't have to think for yourself.....someone else tells you what to believe.
Just remember............the medai is telling you that the best that America has to offer is the three stooges. The media says it's true......so you believe it.......how pathetic
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You know GK, you can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want, show us articles from fellow conspiracy websites, and shout the moon is made of bleu cheese for all you're worth. Those of us with the ability to reason will know that you must have had a warp core breach and your dilithium crystals have been all used up! We are just going to wait for Scotty to beam you up. After you have defeated the Klingons, come back and see us and tell us all about it.
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gk wrote: Here's another nut job for ya duck!
What Do We Stand For?
By Paul Craig Roberts
5-5-8
Paul Craig Roberts a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, has been reporting shocking cases of prosecutorial abuse for two decades. A new edition of his book, The Tyranny of Good Intentions, co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, a documented account of how Americans lost the protection of law, is forthcoming from Random House in March, 2008.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=64B2907C-3FCF-4FA0-8375-FAE98446AB23
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Whatever his party leanings, one thing is clear: Roberts considers modern conservatives the enemy. Last month, he wrote, “Last week’s annual Conservative Political Action Conference signaled the transformation of American conservatism into brownshirtism.” Why? Because attendees jeered Bush administration critic Bob Barr. (Roberts would have made a better case by mentioning the Muslim fundamentalists and leftists who attended CPAC this year.) In fact, Roberts has denounced the conservative movement as brownshirted fascism for some time. Already by October 2004, he had likened conservatives to “brownshirts.” Last June, he referred to “Bush and his neocon brownshirts” before branding Bush a “war criminal.” Last February 15, he insisted the conservative media had “joined the New Brownshirts.” On May Day 2004, he wrote his former publication, National Review, was possessed of the “spirit” of “Hitler and Stalin.”
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gk wrote: CAFR 'Off-Budget Incomes
DWARF 'Budget Deficits'
By Dick Fojut
5-5-8
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THE NATIONAL CAFR SCANDAL WAS FIRST EXPOSED BY WALTER BURIEN...
Not a peep on TV per the core of this game? Well, Silence is Golden it seems.
In fact, not a peep in the news outlets for over 10 years while these two make a living off of chicken littles. They both seem to be "one-trick ponies" especially Burien, who has been beating this dead horse for over a decade without getting any attention from mainstream news - only interviews from the conspiracy websites and shows. Both Fojut and Burien made sure to climb on the 9/11 conspiracy bandwagon to milk that for what is has been worth.
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Here's another nut job for ya duck!
What Do We Stand For?
By Paul Craig Roberts
5-5-8
Americans traditionally thought of their country as a "city upon a hill," a "light unto the world." Today only the deluded think that. Polls show that the rest of the world regards the United States and Israel as the two greatest threats to peace.
This is not surprising. In the words of Arthur Silber: "The Bush administration has announced to the world, and to all Americans, that this is what the United States now stands for: a vicious determination to dominate the world, criminal, genocidal wars of aggression, torture, and an increasingly brutal and brutalizing authoritarian state at home. That is what we stand for."
Addressing his fellow Americans, Silber asks the paramount question, "Why do you support" these horrors?
His question goes to the heart of the matter. Do we Americans have any honor, any humanity, any integrity, any awareness of the crimes our government is committing in our name? Do we have a moral conscience?
How can a moral conscience be reconciled with our continuing to tolerate our government, which has invaded two countries on the basis of lies and deception, destroyed their civilian infrastructures, and murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and children?
The killing and occupation continue even though we now know that the invasions were based on lies and fabricated "evidence." The entire world knows this. Yet, Americans continue to act as if the gratuitous invasions, the gratuitous killing and the gratuitous destruction are justified. There is no end of it in sight.
If Americans have any honor, how can they betray their Founding Fathers, who gave them liberty, by tolerating a government that claims immunity to law and the Constitution and is erecting a police state in their midst?
Answers to these questions vary. Some reply that a fearful and deceived American public seeks safety from terrorists in government power.
Others answer that a majority of Americans finally understand the evil that Bush has set loose and tried to stop him by voting out the Republicans in November 2006 and putting the Democrats in control of Congress all to no effect and are now demoralized as neither party gives a hoot for public opinion or has a moral conscience.
The people ask over and over, "What can we do?"
Very little when the institutions put in place to protect the people from tyranny fail. In the United States, the institutions have failed across the board.
The freedom and independence of the watchdog press was destroyed by the media concentration that was permitted by the Clinton administration and Congress. Americans who rely on traditional print and TV media simply have no idea what is afoot.
Political competition failed when the opposition party became a "me- too" party. The Democrats even confirmed as attorney general Michael Mukasey, an authoritarian who refuses to condemn torture and whose rulings as a federal judge undermined habeas corpus. Such a person is now the highest law enforcement officer in the United States.
The judicial system failed when federal judges ruled that "state secrets" and "national security" are more important than government accountability and the rule of law.
The separation of powers failed when Congress acquiesced to the executive branch's claims of primary power and independence from statutory law and the Constitution.
It failed again when the Democrats refused to impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney, the two greatest criminals in American political history.
Without the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, America can never recover. The precedents for unaccountable government established by the Bush administration are too great, their damage too lasting. Without impeachment, America will continue to sink into dictatorship in which criticism of the government and appeals to the Constitution are criminalized. We are closer to executive rule than many people know.
Silber reminds us that America once had leaders, such as Speaker of the House Thomas B. Reed and Sen. Robert M. LaFollette Sr., who valued the principles upon which America was based more than they valued their political careers. Perhaps Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are of this ilk, but America has fallen so low that people who stand on principle today are marginalized. They cannot become speaker of the House or a leader in the Senate.
Today, Congress is almost as superfluous as the Roman Senate under the Caesars. On Feb. 13 the U.S. Senate barely passed a bill banning torture, and the White House promptly announced that President Bush would veto it. Torture is now the American way. The U.S. Senate was only able to muster 51 votes against torture, an indication that almost a majority of U.S. senators support torture.
Bush says that his administration does not torture. So why veto a bill prohibiting torture? Bush seems proud to present America to the world as a torturer.
After years of lying to Americans and the rest of the world that Guantanamo prison contained 774 of "the world's most dangerous terrorists," the Bush regime is bringing six of its victims to trial. The vast majority of the 774 detainees have been quietly released. The U.S. government stole years of life from hundreds of ordinary people who had the misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and were captured by warlords and sold to the stupid Americans as "terrorists."
Needing terrorists to keep the farce going, the U.S. government dropped leaflets in Afghanistan offering $25,000 a head for "terrorists." Kidnappings ensued until the U.S. government had purchased enough "terrorists" to validate the "terrorist threat."
The six that the United States are bringing to "trial" include two child soldiers for the Taliban and a car pool driver who allegedly drove Osama bin Laden.
The Taliban did not attack the United States. The child soldiers were fighting in an Afghan civil war. The United States attacked the Taliban. How does that make Taliban soldiers terrorists who should be locked up and abused in Gitmo and brought before a kangaroo military tribunal? If a terrorist hires a driver or a taxi, does that make the driver a terrorist? What about the pilots of the airliners who brought the alleged 9-11 terrorists to the United States? Are they guilty, too?
The Gitmo trials are show trials. Their only purpose is to create the precedent that the executive branch can ignore the U.S. court system and try people in the same manner that innocent people were tried in Stalinist Russia and Gestapo Germany. If the Bush regime had any real evidence against the Gitmo detainees, it would have no need for its kangaroo military tribunal.
If any more proof is needed that Bush has no case against any of the Gitmo detainees, the following AP News report of Feb. 14, 2008, should suffice: "The Bush administration asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to limit judges' authority to scrutinize evidence against detainees at Guantanamo Bay."
The reason Bush doesn't want judges to see the evidence is that there is no evidence except a few confessions obtained by torture. In the American system of justice, confession obtained by torture is self-incrimination and is impermissible evidence under the U.S. Constitution.
Andy Worthington's book, "The Guantanamo Files," and his online articles make it perfectly clear that the "dangerous terrorists" claim of the Bush administration is just another hoax perpetrated on the inattentive American public.
Recently, the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity issued a report that documents the fact that Bush administration officials made 935 false statements about Iraq to the American people in order to deceive them into going along with Bush's invasion. In recent testimony before Congress, Bush's Secretary of State and former National Security Advisor, Condi Rice was asked by Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., about the 56 false statements she made.
Rice replied: "I take my integrity very seriously, and I did not at any time make a statement that I knew to be false." Rice blamed "the intelligence assessments," which "were wrong."
Another Rice lie, like those mushroom clouds that were going to go up over American cities if we didn't invade Iraq. The weapon inspectors told the Bush administration that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as Scott Ritter has reminded us over and over. Every knowledgeable person in the country knew there were no weapons. As the leaked Downing Street memo confirms, the head of British intelligence told the British cabinet that the Bush administration had already decided to invade Iraq and was making up the intelligence to justify the invasion.
But let's assume that Rice was fooled by faulty intelligence. If she had any integrity she would have resigned. In the days when American government officials had integrity, they would have resigned in shame from such a disastrous war and terrible destruction based on their mistake. But Rice, like all the Bush (and Clinton) operatives, is too full of American self- righteousness and ambition to have any remorse about her mistake.
Condi can still look herself in the mirror despite 1 million Iraqis dying from her mistake and several million more being homeless refugees, just as Clinton's secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, can still look herself in the mirror despite sharing responsibility for 500,000 dead Iraqi children.
?There is no one in the Bush administration with enough integrity to resign. It is a government devoid of truth, morality, decency and honor. The Bush administration is a blight upon America and upon the world.
April 4, 2008
Paul Craig Roberts a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, has been reporting shocking cases of prosecutorial abuse for two decades. A new edition of his book, The Tyranny of Good Intentions, co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, a documented account of how Americans lost the protection of law, is forthcoming from Random House in March, 2008.
Copyright © 2008 Creators Syndicate
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just for you duck!
CAFR 'Off-Budget Incomes
DWARF 'Budget Deficits'
By Dick Fojut
5-5-8
Our State and Local government "BUDGET DEFICITS" may not reflect large SURPLUSES of CAFR money income our governments' ACTUALLY possess! For example: in 2003, the State of Arizona had an $11.45 BILLION SURPLUS of Taxpayers money it was not using! The City of Phoenix had a SURPLUS of $2.34 BILLION! (See details further below.)
WHY ARE MEDIA PEOPLE NOT PUBLICLY ASKING ABOUT THESE LARGE, SOME HUGE, CAFR SURPLUSES OF MONEY?
CAFRS are the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports sent each year to Washington, revealing the ACTUAL financial investment earnings, income, etc., and SURPLUSES of money separately possessed by 84,000 Government related entities - States, Counties, Cities, School Districts, Pension Funds, etc.
A State ONE BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET DEFICIT sounds enormous! (It was in Orange County too years back! See further below how they "solved" their deficit.*)
But publicly reported yearly BUDGETS and BUDGET DEFICITS do not reveal ACTUAL government financial conditions - especially SURPLUSES! Only the CAFRS do!
If there are LARGE SEPARATE ("off normal budget") CAFR SURPLUSES in the State of Arizona, its counties, cities and school districts, etc., it appears possible the proposed money-saving closing of schools, non-hiring, layoffs of teachers and other public employees - and tax increases - may NOT be as critically necessary as thought! (Probably the great majority of government officials, employees - and media editors, reporters are unaware of the CAFRS and CAFR surpluses.)
About the CAFRS: the COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTS...
Since 1946 (legislated by a wiser Congress), 84,000 Government entities including States, Counties, Cities, School Districts, etc., have been required yearly to report the ACTUAL accumulated financial assets and income they each separately possess.
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THE NATIONAL CAFR SCANDAL WAS FIRST EXPOSED BY WALTER BURIEN...
Arizonan Walter Burien <[url=http://cafr1.com>]http://cafr1.com/]http://cafr1.com>http://cafr1.com/[/url] was the first to alert us that the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports have intentionally been kept largely "invisible" to the American public, now for over 60 years!
Burien further revealed that:
The composite totals of investment assets held internationally by USA government is staggering. Between local and Federal government, the total of liquid investment assets held Internationally is a conservative sixty (60) Trillion dollars.
- And if Burien is correct with these percentages, note the following incredible revelation about behind-the-scene government ownership of American Big Businesses:
...Government owns most through Bond - Loan investment / stock ownership [EXAMPLES: 82% stock ownership of Microsoft Corporation, Disney 61%, AOL - Time Warner 58%, EXXON 72%] to manufacture abroad so that Government would realize greater returns on their investments at the Peoples of the USA's expense in jobs and wealth retention.
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About Arizona specifically...
In 1999 Burien persuaded fellow Arizonan, retired Air Force Intelligence Officer and expert Govenment Auditor, Lt. Colonel Gerald Klatt, to do the necessary accounting to reveal the yearly CAFRS for some 39 States including Arizona - along with the two major Arizona counties and some cities. Colonel Klatt (cafrman.com), did so each year - until he died in 2004. The following CAFR reports are only through 2003. (But it should reasonably be expected that the CAFR government surpluses TODAY in 2008 total MORE than shown through 2003.) Valid question: Are the current proposals to cut teachers, government employees, services and increase taxes REALLY necessary? Consider the following...
Separate CAFR surpluses in Arizona through the year 2003 (from Klatt's website)...
The State of Arizona Has At Least $11.45 Billion In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-AZ-S1.htm
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Phoenix Has At Least $2.34 Billion In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-Phoenix-AZ-CY1.htm
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Maricopa County Has At Least $845 Million In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-MaricopaCounty-AZ-C1.htm
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Pima County Has At Least $239 Million In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-PimaCounty-AZ-C1.htm
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Scottsdale Has At Least $483 million In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-Scottsdale-AZ-CY1.htm
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Tempe Has At Least $341 Million In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-Tempe-AZ-CY1.htm
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Glendale Has At Least $385 Million In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-Glendale-AZ-C1.htm
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Mesa Has At Least $245.4 Million In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
FY 2003 Report
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-Mesa-AZ-CY1.htm
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One nearby State...
The State of CALIFORNIA Has At Least $59.83 Billion In Surpluses of the Taxpayers Money it is not using.
http://www.cafrman.com/Articles/Art-CA-S1.htm
FY 2003 Report
"RAINY DAY FUNDS."
I've lived in Tucson for over 50 years, but until about year 2000 when some of us asked about the CAFRS, I had never heard about any "RAINY DAY FUND" - that our then County Manager said he "didn't want to dip into." Soon after, the then Arizona Governor also mentioned "not wanting to dip into the State RAINY DAY FUND." Recently on TV I heard one Network commentator say that some States may have to "dip into their RAINY DAY FUNDS." I am suspicious the term "RAINY DAY FUND" has been presented locally and nationally, to avoid admitting the existence of the publicly unknown (often HUGE) CAFR surpluses of money funds not being used (or returned to Taxpayers) by local and State governments!
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*Referred to at top, about another (past) ONE BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET DEFICIT - in Orange County, California... The following is extracted from Burien's article further down "CAFRS: THE BIGGEST SECRET"
* When Orange County lost a little over $1 billion in derivatives investments, they were crying "poverty" and threatening to shut down schools, police would have to be laid off etc. However someone dug into the Orange County CAFR and found out that the county had about $16 billion in profitable investments! The county, from their profitable liquid investment funds / cash position could have continued performing the same services, without collecting one dime in taxes, and could have done so for another 11.9 years from the existing funds prior to running out of money! The crying stopped.
* While he was a Mayor, Jesse Ventura's city council wanted to raise $360,000 in taxes to cover a short fall on their "city budget for schools." Ventura objected when he discovered the city owned $48,000,000 in idle investments funds from which the $360,000 could be drawn from without raising taxes!
From Walter Burien's current website...
THE GOVERNMENT OWNS IT "ALL" BY INVESTMENT - By Walter Burien
Comprehensive Annual Financial Report - CAFR
http://cafr1.com/
May 2, 2008
Excerpts only...
THE CAFR SHELL GAME - THE REVOLUTION-BE A PART OF IT!
"GROSS" INCOME of government is now 1/3rd "TAX" income and 2/3rds NON-TAX income derived from: return on INVESTMENTS and money generated from government Enterprise projects.
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Any Company or in fact Country can be "made" or "broken" through the use of those government investment funds. China just cut off further new US "Government" investments, now several trillion dollars worth in China so that would not happen. China learned by seeing what happened to Mexico then Russia.
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The #1 Profit makers for Government from their investments are: The War Industry; Oil Companies; Pharmaceuticals; and Banking. (300% to 400% profits) - for NY CLICK HERE (on web page) TO SEE THE INVESTMENTS SHOWN IN JUST ONE (1) CAFR ( 2006 - NYSR-CAFR ) or for CA ( 2006 - CALPERS - CAFR ) .pdf file
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Local and Federal Government's gross income in 1999 was 8.5 trillion dollars and the entire population's of the USA gross income, "net after taxation" 4.8 trillion dollars.
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After you look at a state CAFR review, then look at your many city, county, school district, State University CAFR. Government Enterprise operation such as Toll ways, Bridges, Ports, water, sewer, power, recycling, CAFRs should then be looked at.
Pensions, self-funding debt financial authorities, self insurance authorities CAFRs should be looked at also. As of 2005 there are over 84,000 "individual" Annual Financial Reports (the CAFR) produced by just our local government operations. Each with their own investments and cash accounts...
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The composite totals of investment assets held internationally by USA government is staggering. Between local and Federal government, the total of liquid investment assets held Internationally is a conservative sixty (60) Trillion dollars.
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Could it be that our own Government over the last several decades has been promoting to those fortune 500 companies, of which Government owns most through Bond - Loan investment / stock ownership [EXAMPLES: 82% stock ownership of Microsoft Corporation, Disney 61%, AOL - Time Warner 58%, EXXON 72%] to manufacture abroad so that Government would realize greater returns on their investments at the Peoples of the USA's expense in jobs and wealth retention. Additional articles by Burien...
CAFRs: The BIGGEST Secret -
$60 Trillion Invested By Fed, State, & Local Governments! 6-30-00
http://www.rense.com/general2/bigsecret.htm
Excerpts only...
Reported - but for all purposes HIDDEN from American taxpayers - Local, State and Federal governments currently hold about 60+ trillion dollars of profitable investments in real estate, pension funds, insurance companies, liquid investment funds, bond financing accounts and corporate stock portfolios (32 Trillion) over 53% of America's stock market, and a large percentage of the international stock market, etc., are all revealed in their required filing of CAFRs (Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports) and noted reports therein.
Walter Burien, who has been blowing the whistle on this gargantuan scam, says, "Americans OWN the majority of America's WEALTH and don't know it." With the profits rolling in from international investments, you now know the true motive behind NAFTA and GATT.
* When Orange County lost a little over $1 billion in derivatives investments, they were crying "poverty" and threatening to shut down schools, police would have to be laid off etc. However someone dug into the Orange County CAFR and found out that the county had about $16 billion in profitable investments! The county, from their profitable liquid investment funds / cash position could have continued performing the same services, without collecting one dime in taxes, and could have done so for another 11.9 years from the existing funds prior to running out of money! The crying stopped.
* While he was a Mayor, Jesse Ventura's city council wanted to raise $360,000 in taxes to cover a short fall on their "city budget for schools." Ventura objected when he discovered the city owned $48,000,000 in idle investments funds from which the $360,000 could be drawn from without raising taxes!
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CAFRs And Pending US 'Economic Collapse
By Walter J. Burien, Jr
WalterBurien@cafr1.com
http://www.rense.com/general74/cafrss.htm
Oct. 29, 2006
Excerpts only...
1. Composite wealth may now be 80 trillion but I always use a conservative 60 trillion plus. This money is standing investment and cash accounts.
2. There "is" an Economic Disaster looming. Government in their greed to hoard the wealth has taken over the market. In fact government "is" the market now.
In 1929, the public was the primary holder and they would and did have panic selling spree causing the collapse. Now government is the primary holder and they orchestrate continued gains to perpetuate their balance sheets.
Here a bubble exists but a bubble under ultimate control. If 100% of the public panicked and sold every share they owned, the market would have a severe dip but then come right back and then shoot higher with government now picking up most of those shares at a discount and then by effect would own 100% of the market.
Government did this before and after 911. They had massive short derivatives held going into 911 whereby a few trillion were picked up on those derivatives almost overnight as time goes when the derivatives were exited from.
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The Government Economy Con-Game = "Derivatives"
By Walter Burien
http://CAFR1.com/NGE.html
March 15, 2008
A few excerpts only...
One way Government now "creates wealth" out of thin air is by covertly taking it "all" as a monopoly from everyone else. The ever-growing 516 trillion dollar international derivative market is a key tool used by Government to do just that. Read the article linked below, (see URL links in website article) but before you do, please read my comments below the link first:
Many of these investment funds are now managed outside of the US (off-shore) with trillion dollar US Government account balances that are not even visible for ease of inspection per their trading activity.. Do the lower level government employees know this? No, for most they do not.
Last year the Chinese Government cut off further US Government investments in China (US Government investment funds, especially on their derivatives market were taking over). India on the same day put restrictions on US Government investments in their derivatives market for the same reason also. The following day the US Stock Market was down 650 points. (Some thought the game was over, but it was not)
But don't worry about the US Stock market foolks, whoops, sic: folks) US Government local and federal owns the primary corporations in the US Market by composite stock ownership. Private sector ownership is insignificant in comparison. Salute Comrades!
Not a peep on TV per the core of this game? Well, Silence is Golden it seems.
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Oh GrandKook, in the broiling Arizona sun that aluminum hat must have cooked the half a brain that you have left. You are too funny. Oh . . Check out the Arizona State forum, there is now a forum just for you and Flypoop!
. . . . . . . . . Pssst . . . . Have you looked under your bed lately?Last edited on Mon May 5th, 2008 01:47 am by DesertHawk
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:35 am |
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gk wrote: hey duck.........heres another nut job
AZ State Rep Sharon S Johnson, author of the conspiracy blog:
http://www.azdailysun.com/articles/2007/05/11/news/20070511_front%20page_5.txt
(Quote: State law makes it a crime for anyone to bring a weapon into a public building "unless specifically authorized by law." The statute creates exceptions for police officers, members of the military performing official duties and officers of the Department of Corrections....Johnson said her gun, a .22 caliber eight-shot revolver, is "everywhere I go." And that, she said, includes when she comes into the Senate building, though she leaves her purse -- and the gun in it -- in her office when she goes to the Senate floor.)
http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=22029
(Quote: The bill, SCR 1026, is of dubious constitutionality....Nevertheless, Johnson insists she is serious. She told the Arizona Daily Star, "But we're supposed to have religion in everything -- the opportunity to have religion in everything. I want religion in government, I want my government to have a faith-based perspective.")
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 10:42 pm |
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hey duck.........heres another nut job
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/115376
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0503johnson03.html
There is nothing so pathetic as the fear of realizing that the world in not really what you think it is, and refusing to come to grips with the reality. A closed mind is a safe warm place huh duck
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| Back on your meds oh GrandKook!
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Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 10:28 pm |
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desert duck, being labeled a name does not in the least bit bother me.
Turn off the tube for a few months
I suppose this is the work of conspiracy nuts in your mind
http://www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/display.var.2246113.0.silent_tsunami_of_hunger_looms_as_poor_feel_impact_of_rocketing_food_costs.php
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/multinationals-make-billions-in-profit-out-of-growing-global-food-crisis-820855.html
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