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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:35 pm |
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Here is a video analysis and more.
This is clearly a controlled demolition.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm--tgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NNczrplac
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17897
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 06:08 pm |
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GK,
I do not have time to look at all of your consiracy links, nor am I really interested. However, I would be willing to look at this one if you repost it. Keep in mind that the source of the video and authenticity must be verifiable. Otherwise it will be labeled as suspicious.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 05:29 pm |
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moonbat conspiracy websites
clearly you did not bother to look at the cridentials of the people involved with those websites. They are all a lot more qualified than you or I to make a judgement.
jj....it was caught on tape, as apparently you failed to look at the video comparison that I provided. You haVE A HABIT OF MAKING COMMENTS WITHOUT LOOKING AT ANY OF THE MATERIAL, THUS YOU MAKE THESE SILLY STATEMENTS
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 02:46 pm |
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gk wrote: so what did they really say?
They said that they have not completed and analysis and determined a cause! And the only bibliography is from Wickipedia. Not very convincing. Another "no answer"
The people and the institutions that you cite pale in comparison to the many architects, structural engineers and physicists that find a problem with it.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://physics911.net/
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
http://911scholars.org/
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
So who are you going to believe? The NIST which is a Government agency, that so far has been unable to provide an answer, or all of these professionals of various backgrounds and academic credentials?
You still have not provided a rational or scientific reason for the collapse
You can't sell truth to stupid!
How many of your so-called experts were actually at the scene and conducted their own hands-on investigations? Did they rely on their anti-government bias or actual evidence from the scene that they were able to collect themselves? How do you figure that a controlled blast was not caught on tape? A blast of that size would have had external visual evidence. With all of the news helicopters buzzing around that day and all of the ground news crews reporting live how did not one of them record this great conspiracy? Were all of these news organizations in on the plot? Once again your hatred of the government is clouding your rational judgment. You are ignoring the obvious in favor of the obscure.
The government is capable of covering up a lot of stuff but nothing on this magnitude. Heck they could not cover up Watergate or even the Pat Tillman death. But somehow they pulled off the granddaddy of all cover ups? And the most obvious question you would have to ask is what would the motivation be to do this? If you have to use conspiracy to answer that question then your whole theory collapses.
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gk wrote:
so what did they really say?
They said that they have not completed and analysis and determined a cause! And the only bibliography is from Wickipedia. Not very convincing. Another "no answer"
The people and the institutions that you cite pale in comparison to the many architects, structural engineers and physicists that find a problem with it.
So who are you going to believe? The NIST which is a Government agency, that so far has been unable to provide an answer, or all of these professionals of various backgrounds and academic credentials?
I'd believe the NIST before I believe a bunch of moonbat conspiracy websites.
gk wrote:
You still have not provided a rational or scientific reason for the collapse
Debris from the collapse of one of the towers did enough structural damage to WTC7 to cause it to come down.
gk wrote:
You can't sell truth to stupid!
Apparently not.
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so what did they really say?
They said that they have not completed and analysis and determined a cause! And the only bibliography is from Wickipedia. Not very convincing. Another "no answer"
The people and the institutions that you cite pale in comparison to the many architects, structural engineers and physicists that find a problem with it.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://physics911.net/
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
http://911scholars.org/
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
So who are you going to believe? The NIST which is a Government agency, that so far has been unable to provide an answer, or all of these professionals of various backgrounds and academic credentials?
You still have not provided a rational or scientific reason for the collapse
You can't sell truth to stupid!
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gk wrote: what is the single biggest piece of evidence which convinced you?
No one single piece.....many!
But if I had to pick a no brainer it would be building 7 . Never hit by an aircraft, live news reports in America and Britain show building seven in the background (with a time stamp) saying that building 7 had just come down. Problem is the live feed showed the building still standing.
The building came down at free fall speed after very little fire damage and no cause of structural failure. Larry Silverstein made the comment in an interview that the decisions was made to "pull the building" A common term used in controlled demolition.
It takes weeks or many days to rig a building for a controlled demolition, there is no way they could have rigged in in a few hours.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17897 watch a side by side comparison of building 7 and a controlled demolition
Look objectively at this occurrence and try to explain what happened.
They did defeat the entire North American Strategic Command, ......somehow.
Please explain this for all of our edification. If you can't just say so, if you can , explain it, but please do not just blow it off!
WTC building 7 info:
In response to FEMA's concerns, the Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was authorized to lead a three-year, $16 million investigation into the structural failure and collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers and 7 World Trade Center.[35] The investigation, led by Dr S. Shyam Sunder, drew not only upon in-house technical expertise, but also upon the knowledge of several outside private institutions, including the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE), the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY).[36]
 Few photos and video clips exist that show the damage sustained to south face of 7 World Trade Center on 9/11. From a news helicopter, ABC News captured footage of the south face of 7 World Trade Center, including a glimpse of a gash, extending approximately 10 stories.
NIST has released a video and still-photo analysis of 7 World Trade Center before its collapse that appears to indicate a greater degree of structural damage from falling debris than originally assumed by FEMA. Specifically, NIST's interim report on 7 World Trade Center displays photographs of the southwest façade of the building that show it to have significant damage. The report also highlights a 10-story gash in the center of the south façade, toward the bottom, extending approximately a quarter of the way into the interior.[37][3] A unique aspect of the design of 7 World Trade Center was that each outer structural column was responsible for supporting 2,000 sq ft (186 m²) of floor space, suggesting that the simultaneous removal of a number of columns severely compromised the structure's integrity.[38] Consistent with this theory, news footage shows cracking and bowing of the building's east wall immediately before the collapse, which began at the penthouse floors.[3] In video of the collapse, taken from the north by CBS News and other news media, the first visible sign of collapse is movement in the east penthouse 8.2 seconds before the north wall began to collapse, which took at least another 7 seconds.[3][39]
A progress report was released in June 2004, outlining NIST's working hypothesis.[40][3] The hypothesis, which was reiterated in a June 2007 status update, is that an initial failure in a critical column occurred below the 13th floor, caused by damage from fire and/or debris from the collapse of the two main towers. The collapse progressed vertically up to the east mechanical penthouse. The interior structure was unable to handle the redistributed load, resulting in horizontal progression of the failure across lower floors, particularly the 5th to 7th floors. This resulted in "a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure."[41]
NIST anticipates the release of a draft report of 7 World Trade Center in 2008.[42] NIST is utilizing ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to initiating events.[43] According to NIST, the investigation of 7 World Trade Center has been delayed for a number of reasons, including that NIST staff who had been working on 7 World Trade Center were assigned full-time from June 2004 to September 2005 to work on the investigation of the collapse of the twin towers.[44] In June 2007, Shyam Sunder explained, "We are proceeding as quickly as possible while rigorously testing and evaluating a wide range of scenarios to reach the most definitive conclusion possible. The WTC 7 investigation is in some respects just as challenging, if not more so, than the study of the towers. However, the current study does benefit greatly from the significant technological advances achieved and lessons learned from our work on the towers."[41]
Conspiracy theorists believe the building collapses on September 11, including that of building seven, were the result of controlled demolition.[45][46][47] NIST states it has "found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event". In its final report on building 7, it would "like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements".[44]
so, you would have me believe that all of these groups providing expertise and assisting with the investigation are in cahoots, or lying. You would have me believe that our government actually did all this? You do realize of course, that our government is, um people, right? fellow citizens? and that it would take dozens if not hundreds of these people to be in on something of this magnitude? and you would have me believe that all these people did all this secretly? and you would have me believe all of this instead of the things that I witnessed that day, and the truth that has come out since, about how it all happened??
Please, sell stupid next door... we're not interested around here.
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what is the single biggest piece of evidence which convinced you?
No one single piece.....many!
But if I had to pick a no brainer it would be building 7 . Never hit by an aircraft, live news reports in America and Britain show building seven in the background (with a time stamp) saying that building 7 had just come down. Problem is the live feed showed the building still standing.
The building came down at free fall speed after very little fire damage and no cause of structural failure. Larry Silverstein made the comment in an interview that the decisions was made to "pull the building" A common term used in controlled demolition.
It takes weeks or many days to rig a building for a controlled demolition, there is no way they could have rigged in in a few hours.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17897 watch a side by side comparison of building 7 and a controlled demolition
Look objectively at this occurrence and try to explain what happened.
They did defeat the entire North American Strategic Command, ......somehow.
Please explain this for all of our edification. If you can't just say so, if you can , explain it, but please do not just blow it off!
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gk wrote: indeed!
I stopped criticizing and took a long hard look at the science and the evidence.
I started out being determined to prove that 9-11 happened, just like the Government said.
It did not! The government clearly lied numerous times.
I simply started being honest with myself, and let the cards fall where they may.
NO big mystery jj......no big drama.......no tradgedy....simple honesty.
what is the single biggest piece of evidence which convinced you?
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hey hey now nunya- no fair using facts!
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gk wrote: You are all growed up....research it yourself if you are interested.
I clearly don't believe the government's "Conspiracy Theory" that a hand full of illiterate camel jockeys with box cutters was able to defeat the entire North American Air defense system,, and completely obliterate 3 massive buildings with 2 aircraft
I don't think they defeated the entire North American air defense system but they hijack some planes and crash them into buildings. What they did is not that far fetched.
I'm more amazed that it hasn't happend more...
Not exactly illiterate camel jockeys
1980s and 1990s: Most 9/11 Hijackers Have Middle-Class Backgrounds
After 9/11, some in Western countries will say that one of the root causes of the attacks is poverty and assume that the hijackers must have been poor. However, most of them are middle class and have relatively comfortable upbringings. The editor of Al Watan, a Saudi Arabian daily, will call them “middle-class adventurers” rather than Islamist fundamentalist ideologues. [Boston Globe, 3 March 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Boston Globe, 3/3/2002]
 Mohamed Atta grows up in Cairo, Egypt. His father is an attorney, and both Atta and his two sisters attend university. [Perfect Soldiers The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It (New York, NY: HarperCollins, 2005)., 10-11.')" onmouseout="return nd()">McDermott, 2005, pp. 10-11]
Marwan Alshehhi is from Ras al-Khaimah Emirate in the United Arab Emirates. His family is not particularly wealthy, but his father is a muezzin and one of his half-brothers a policeman. He attends university in Germany on an UAE army scholarship (see Spring 1996-December 23, 2000). [Perfect Soldiers The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It (New York, NY: HarperCollins, 2005)., 55.')" onmouseout="return nd()">McDermott, 2005, pp. 55]
Ziad Jarrah is from Beirut, Lebanon. His father is a mid-level bureaucrat and his mother, from a well-off family, is a teacher. The family drives a Mercedes and Jarrah attends private Christian schools before going to study in Germany. [Perfect Soldiers The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It (New York, NY: HarperCollins, 2005)., 49-50.')" onmouseout="return nd()">McDermott, 2005, pp. 49-50]
Hani Hanjour is from Taif, near Mecca in Saudi Arabia. His family has a car exporting business and a farm, which he manages for five years in the mid-1990s. [Washington Post, 15 October 2001.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Washington Post, 10/15/2001]
Nawaf and Salem Alhazmi are from Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Their father owns a shop and the family is wealthy. [[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20020212024004/http://arabview.com/article.asp?artID=98]Arab News, 20 September 2001.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Arab News, 9/20/2001[/url]; The Looming Tower (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2006)., 378.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Wright, 2006, pp. 378]
Abdulaziz Alomari is from south-western Saudi Arabia. He is a university graduate (see Late 1990s). He apparently marries and has a child, a daughter, before 9/11. [Saudi Information Agency, “Profiles of 9/11 Saudi Hijackers Revealed,” 11 September 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Saudi Information Agency, 9/11/2002; [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20041020144854/http://www.decloah.com/mirrors/9-11/911_Report.txt]Final report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, 232.')" onmouseout="return nd()">9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 232[/url]]
Mohand Alshehri is from Tanooma in Asir Province, Saudi Arabia. He attends university (see Late 1990s). [Saudi Information Agency, “Profiles of 9/11 Saudi Hijackers Revealed,” 11 September 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Saudi Information Agency, 9/11/2002]
Hamza Alghamdi is from Baha Province, Saudi Arabia. [[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20041020144854/http://www.decloah.com/mirrors/9-11/911_Report.txt]Final report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, 231.')" onmouseout="return nd()">9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 231[/url]] He works as a stockboy in a housewares shop. [Boston Globe, 3 March 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Boston Globe, 3/3/2002]
Fayez Ahmed Banihammad is from the United Arab Emirates. He gives his home address as being in Khor Fakkan, a port and enclave of Sharjah Emirate on the country’s east coast. [US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division, 7/31/2006] The 9/11 Commission will say he works as an immigration officer at one point. [9/11 and Terrorist Travel: Staff Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, 20.')" onmouseout="return nd()">9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 20  ]
Maqed Mojed is from Annakhil, near Medina in western Saudi Arabia. [[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20041020144854/http://www.decloah.com/mirrors/9-11/911_Report.txt]Final report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, 232.')" onmouseout="return nd()">9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 232[/url]] He attends university (see Late 1990s).
Ahmed Alhaznawi is from Hera, Baha Province. His father is an imam at the local mosque and he is reported to attend university (see Late 1990s).
Ahmed Alnami is from Abha, Asir Province. His family is one of government officials and scientists and his father works for the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. He attends university (see Late 1990s). [Daily Telegraph, 15 September 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Daily Telegraph, 9/15/2002]
Wail Alshehi and Waleed Alshehri are from Khamis Mushayt in Asir Province, southwestern Saudi Arabia. Their father is a businessman and builds a mosque as a gift to the town. They both go to college (see Late 1990s). The Alshehris are a military family with three older brothers who hold high rank at the nearby airbase. Their uncle, Major General Faez Alshehri, is the logistical director of Saudi Arabia’s armed forces. [Boston Globe, 3 March 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Boston Globe, 3/3/2002] Dr. Ali al-Mosa, a Saudi academic, will later comment: “Most of them were from very rich, top-class Saudi families. The father of the Alshehri boys is one of the richest people in the area and the other families are not far behind him.” [Sydney Morning Herald, 5 October 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd()">Sydney Morning Herald, 10/5/2002]
The social situation of the families of Satam al Suqami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Saeed Alghamdi, and Khaled Almihdhar is not known. However, Almihdhar is from a distinguished family that traces its lineage back to the prophet Mohammed.
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Being "all growed up" I thank you for expressing your thoughts on the subject.
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You are all growed up....research it yourself if you are interested.
I clearly don't believe the government's "Conspiracy Theory" that a hand full of illiterate camel jockeys with box cutters was able to defeat the entire North American Air defense system,, and completely obliterate 3 massive buildings with 2 aircraft
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So, in your words, what happened on 9/11?
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indeed!
I stopped criticizing and took a long hard look at the science and the evidence.
I started out being determined to prove that 9-11 happened, just like the Government said.
It did not! The government clearly lied numerous times.
I simply started being honest with myself, and let the cards fall where they may.
NO big mystery jj......no big drama.......no tradgedy....simple honesty.
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I always wonder what makes people take such turns in life. I am sure that there is a logical explanation and GK certainly does not have to justify himself to us. Sometimes it is a dramtic event in one's life, illness, divorce, loss of a job, death of a loved one. But I must say that a complete overhaul of ones thinking and movement to a conspiracy outlook suggests something happened.
This is not meant to be judgemental in the least.
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I had to look it up too, to make sure I had the correct term!
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewarticle.php?id=201
"A double, an identical replica of a person. The idea behind this is that everyone has a Doppleganger, an identical copy of themselves somewhere in the world. If the person is good, then the Doppleganger will be evil and vice versa."
I think that gk is the Doppleganger and the 2005 gene is the real person!
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That was a big college word ... and I had to look it up LOL
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Dop·pel·gäng·er 
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a ghostly double or counterpart of a living person.
Also called doubleganger.
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JJohnson wrote: Is this the words of the Gene Kilber we have in Queen Creek?
This cannot be gk - could he possibly have devolved this much in 3 years? It must be his doppleganger.
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0 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
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gene kilber (Earth) - See all my reviewsIt is disturbing to see what this site has turned into. It regularly carries stories from More than questionable sources. "Ritual Killing of Palestinian children continues" is a recent example. They increasingly carry anti-semetic garbage and pro Arab insurgency articles. The hatred for President Bush and his administratioin is seen daily and is growing increasingly weird.
They have turned so radical extreme left that they regularly carry world Socialist party views.
What used to be about alternative news, paranormal, UFO's etc is now all politics seen from the most extreme radical viewpoint.
I would not recommend this site to anyone, as it is clearly not a socially responsible representation of American views, nor is it a rational representation of world views.
Is this the words of the Gene Kilber we have in Queen Creek?
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The bush money machine
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776
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The truth about billy clinton...........
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6107885031407830500&q=Bill+Clinton+His+Life&total=178&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
and king george follows in his pathetic steps with the destruction of America
if you think that is astounding, watch for the sequel on king george in NovemberLast edited on Thu May 15th, 2008 04:50 am by gk
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you made my point again
Nothing of substance from you. Nothing!!! Only derision and name calling
THis is a pure waste of time
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GK, You're slipping. You forgot to include condescending, arrogant, chauvinistic, simple minded and shallow. And since I am all of the above and more, how could I possibly search my intellectually stunted mind to rebut the supremely intelligent links you post. After all, if it aint on Fox news, it caint be true. (that was misspelled on purpose to drive your point home) I find I'm just going to have to bow to your superior internet trolling capabilities. I sure know I don't have the time or trolling expertise you do and even if I did, your superior skill set would surely overwhelm me!
Please note just in case you missed it, the above is total sarcasm. And don't try to assume anything GK, it can only make you look worse than you already do. You just seem to let your anger take over and blind you to reality. On the other hand, we can agree (yes it is possible) that all is not right with the way things are, we just disagree about the way to fix it. Anarchy is not the way and your paranoia only fuels your fire.
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You see GK, you can post all that you want, but the simple fact is they are not YOUR opinions.
What do you mean they are not my opinions? You don't know!!! You are pathetically shallow and insecure.
What I post is for informational purposes and for intelligent and open minded people to be exposed to something they may not be aware of.
You are so very quick to pathetically cry......Conspiracy nut without a single word or example of discussion or rebuttal.
Your only comments to me.......from your very first post have been demeaning, rude and immature. If you disagree with something........show some form of rebuttal or proof.
I can only assume from your posts, that you are intellectually stunted, and have no way of coping with something that threatens your crude view of the world and it's many facets that you don't hear on your TV.
"A good argument diluted to avoid criticism is not nearly as good as the undiluted argument, because we best arrive at truth through a process of honest and vigorous debate. Arguments should not sneak around in disguise, as if dissent were somehow sinister... For it is bravery that is required to secure freedom."
Clarence Thomas, U. S. Supreme Court Justice, Lecture, 13 February 2001
I understand that it may be much to complicated for you to read much. Name calling and blind adherence to the news media are your safe spots and independent thought is just too scary of an option.
Go back to sleep........all is well......zzzzzzzzzzz
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You see GK, you can post all that you want, but the simple fact is they are not YOUR opinions. You cut and paste websites with wild stories, submit quotes from people, and try to make us believe it is your opinion. State your opinion, not those of websites which normal rational people laugh at. You can tell us the horrors of our ways through clever posting of others opinions, but in the end, alas, you don't speak through your own words. Without your own words to back it up, it means nothing and renders you....just another nutcase conspiricy theorist.
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just for you wavy
"The oppression of any people for opinion's sake has rarely had any other effect than to fix those opinions deeper, and render them more important."
—Hosea Ballou (1771-1852)
Sarcasm has its place and time, but not in this place...every time! I think most posters in this forum enjoy a good issue oriented argument and we will from time-to-time get on our pedestal and shout from the pulpit, but personal attacks and continuous sarcasm makes it seem like you don't play well with others. We will give and take when necessary,and sometimes we don't see the sarcasm in our own voices, but most of us try to play well......
yea....right!
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gk wrote: that's OK wavy........you are a shining example of ..........well.............I guess I don't know what your problem is......but I bet it's hard to pronounce Most people pronounce it Rational, level headed, and sane! You really should try it.
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The profits of war!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09fri2.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
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Another mans views, ........just as valid as yours or mine!
http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=702
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I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst, and to provide for it."
—Patrick Henry
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| that's OK wavy........you are a shining example of ..........well.............I guess I don't know what your problem is......but I bet it's hard to pronounce
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| The name of this thread is "Controversial....things that make you go WTF". GK, you make me go WTF! I don't know whether to laugh or scream, so sometimes I just do both.......
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Let me save you some time and thought!
Crazy paranoid nut job here, got my tin foil hat on, hiding in the cave!!!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd360.htm
http://www.americanpolicy.org/
If nothing else....spend the time reading this, then you can make a valid comment to particulars
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So just how far out of touch with reality is boy george?
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/3007150.cms
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to
interpret law."
George W. Bush
November 22, 2000
Comment made in Austin, TX and reported by Slate magazine.
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JJohnson wrote: 2 cents wrote: Are you implying that if the illegal is not smart enough to know that he shouldn't include his girlfriend in the drivers id photo that he is also not smart enough to use a bogus address?
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Photo Shop makes these internet postings too easy. I see it all too often and I doubt that the rocket scientist that would use that kind of photo would be smart enough to come up with an address like that or be smart enough to know how to make such a license to begin with. You say they are stupid but in the next breath you give them credit for being able to produce the license in the first place. What are they, smart or stupid? Can't be both at the same time.
I'm having a hard time figuring out where I called them stupid. Please help.
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| I did not accuse your source of being a racist. You did not disclose the source so I couldnot make that judgement. It was just a warning as many racists will go to any length to prove their point. Don't get used by them and consequently become guilty by association. Just ask Barrack Obama.
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Make sure your illegal alien info does not come from a racist hate monger.
Why is anything that is mentioned about the problem of illegal trespassers into the country always racist and hate mongering
Those are buzzwords that enablers of law breakers like to use.
A great number of Americans are tired of giving free health care, food stamps, and all of the other benefits to those who break our laws, when people like my friend Jose who is an American Hispanic, and has lived here all of his life, but was refused a procedure because he had no health insurance.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is a large number of fake ID makers out there. Very easy to obtain.
Racism and hate mongering are not part of the equation, except for a very few instances.
Those who enable the breaking of laws, are just as guilty as those who do.
A simple mapquest search shows that that address is in the middle of a commercial district Wow.......a smoking gun. You mean he didn't put his real address on it??Last edited on Thu May 8th, 2008 10:33 pm by gk
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2 cents wrote: Are you implying that if the illegal is not smart enough to know that he shouldn't include his girlfriend in the drivers id photo that he is also not smart enough to use a bogus address?
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Photo Shop makes these internet postings too easy. I see it all too often and I doubt that the rocket scientist that would use that kind of photo would be smart enough to come up with an address like that or be smart enough to know how to make such a license to begin with. You say they are stupid but in the next breath you give them credit for being able to produce the license in the first place. What are they, smart or stupid? Can't be both at the same time.
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Are you implying that if the illegal is not smart enough to know that he shouldn't include his girlfriend in the drivers id photo that he is also not smart enough to use a bogus address?
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While that makes for some good comedy this was the easiest internet hoax to figure out. A simple mapquest search shows that that address is in the middle of a commercial district. In fact the aerial view shows the address to be an electrical sub station. Make sure your illegal alien info does not come from a racist hate monger.
[url=http://www.mapquest.com/maps/3535+Highway+80+E+Pearl+MS+39208-4050/#a/maps/l::3535+Highway+80+E earl:MS:39208-4050::32.2836:-90.090204:address:/m:hyb:12:32.2836:-90.090204:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e]http://www.mapquest.com/maps/3535+Highway+80+E+Pearl+MS+39208-4050/#a/maps/l::3535+Highway+80+Eearl:MS:39208-4050::32.2836:-90.090204:address:/m:hyb:12:32.2836:-90.090204:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e[/url]
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An illegal's driver license.........definatley not the brightest individual
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With the exception of Enron all of the companies that are in your list of evil doers I see very successful employers and supporters of families like yours and mine.
Thank God there are companies out there that are successful and provide an avenue for achieving the American dream. How many people do you employ? How much payroll tax do you pay? How many millions of dollars do you pay to charities every year?
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Democracy or Corporatism?
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Napolitano - A Nation Of Sheep -
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McLame - LaRaza
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=63522
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