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Bambi,
You make it sound like if we don’t register on your site, we automatically become a child molester or abuser. Now I know you don’t mean that. It really isn’t too hard to come up with the information 2 cents found. It is public record and that information is available 24/7 if you know where to look.
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Hi there History. It was suggested to me that I make it this way, in the beginning, as we are going to have alot of child related discussions and pictures on the site....and kids talking to each other; doing webcasts; so we decided we needed to be able to control who enters and watches this site for the kids protection in this day and age. Having been a teacher, I know how forgetfull they are, and the younger ones will post their address and phone numbers on site sometimes, even when asked not to.
This is really meant to be a family oriented site, with political news and comments but no hot debates or torrid debates, that occur on here some times. Also, community education will be the focus...like I have the Voter requirements on there and deadlines, etc. Medical suggestions by docs. The Stock Market. Real Estate of course,and that kind of thing. BLC is a word that is not allowed to be mentioned on there. It only brings pain and suffering and endless arguments.
Use your own judgment. Hope you change your mind soon. I like your brain
there is no secret website. Anyone can register for it....unless you are a child molester, child abuser or felon that is still practicing felonies.
And why don't you register, 2 cents, on my site. I'm sure you have nothing to hide and understand the reason for protecting the local children here, especially since we just captured a child molester in the area, and there are alot more of them out here.
You don't have a problem with using extra caution do you on behalf of our beloved children? Prove to me that you are not one of those child molestors or abusers, by just registering. You managed to locate all the homes I own or live in out here, and threatened to publish it, knowing my family members live in them. Yes, please come over and sign up.
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History_101 wrote: 2 cents wrote: How do you know that the members of Core are developers, developer attornies, Harold Chris, George Johnson, Sandie Smith or any candidate running for Supervisor? The only one to mention those names was milly333. I don't see any of the postnames that I would suspect of possibly being a part of the Core making any post and making mention of any of those names.
There seems, to me, to be a propensity by some to make some extreme suppositions. Individules are attributed with belonging to certain organizations. Individules are attributed with making certain comments or having certain feelings. All kinds of accusations to degrade the opposing view of one perceived to be an opponent. These assertions get picked up by those that have a similar bent and are further iterated until they become almost a truth. They do become a false truth and they perpetuate division.
Bambi hates Gordons guts! Gordon gives no value to anything the Bambi could ever say. WONDERFUL!!! And there will be nothing ever accomplished unless you consider a contest of each pissin' in the others boots progress.
You all need to sit at the same table. No Core. No Bambis secret website. Put all of your prejudices on the top of the dresser and leave them home. If you don't have a constructive comment to make, don't talk. Everything you hear is not something you are going to agree with. Tough! When whomever gets done expressing their opinion, perhaps it will be your turn to make a comment. If not, set quietly until it is. Don't roll your eyes. Don't shake your head. Set quietly as ladies and gentlemen.
Until you all resolve to do this, there will be no progress made. The San tan area will never be anything more than it is today because there is no CIVIL voice too be heard. When the decision makers come and ask for input all they will hear is a cacophony of discord. THEN WHO DO YOU THINK WILL MAKE THE DECISION? NOT YOU PEOPLE!
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Well 2 cents, your post is worth much more then that amount. More truth then fiction and I must agree with you on most.
I can nit pick the GSTAC web site to death and I must say not everything I read on there I agree with; however, at least they are doing something. The cast of characters may have some old faces but I’ve got to believe there is also some new blood involved. Until we see a list of names we are only speculating. I’m not sure if anything will ever come out of their actions as QC and Florence has this area pretty well under their control, like it or not. All I can say is everyone needs to monitor and stay on top of what they are doing. If they attend a meeting, there is no reason the bloggers on here can’t also attend and say their piece for what ever it is worth. Get involved with the GSTAC and keep an eye on what they are doing. It is better to be informed of what they are up to then have something jump up and bite you without your knowledge. Many of us have great ideas in which direction our community should be moving towards, but until we become involved in the trenches we can’t guide it in the direction we’d like to see it move towards. Settings behind that boob tube pounding on those keyboards aren’t going to get us anywhere. Rise up and take a stand for the greater San Tan. Become involved.
H, I agree when you say that people need to get involved, but it is not with that group that I would recommend involvement. It is the same old faces and then some that came out of the woodwork. Bloggers will get their chance to speak at the open meetings as soon as everything is all set to take it public. I don't like the fact that people were voted into their positions...who voted them in to represent us? Did you have a say in who sat on the core team? Were you given the opportunity to be a part of the core team, or the extended team. Maybe you will get the chance to get on the other team that will become in your subdivision (district) that is if you are invited. Why the heck should anyone of us have to be invited to be on a committee that is supposed to represent us? No it was a group of people that Jack and Gordon selected to be a part of it and that group is who voted them in. Sounds just like Sandie giving Gordon free reign over our area.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 02:51 am |
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2 cents wrote: How do you know that the members of Core are developers, developer attornies, Harold Chris, George Johnson, Sandie Smith or any candidate running for Supervisor? The only one to mention those names was milly333. I don't see any of the postnames that I would suspect of possibly being a part of the Core making any post and making mention of any of those names.
There seems, to me, to be a propensity by some to make some extreme suppositions. Individules are attributed with belonging to certain organizations. Individules are attributed with making certain comments or having certain feelings. All kinds of accusations to degrade the opposing view of one perceived to be an opponent. These assertions get picked up by those that have a similar bent and are further iterated until they become almost a truth. They do become a false truth and they perpetuate division.
Bambi hates Gordons guts! Gordon gives no value to anything the Bambi could ever say. WONDERFUL!!! And there will be nothing ever accomplished unless you consider a contest of each pissin' in the others boots progress.
You all need to sit at the same table. No Core. No Bambis secret website. Put all of your prejudices on the top of the dresser and leave them home. If you don't have a constructive comment to make, don't talk. Everything you hear is not something you are going to agree with. Tough! When whomever gets done expressing their opinion, perhaps it will be your turn to make a comment. If not, set quietly until it is. Don't roll your eyes. Don't shake your head. Set quietly as ladies and gentlemen.
Until you all resolve to do this, there will be no progress made. The San tan area will never be anything more than it is today because there is no CIVIL voice too be heard. When the decision makers come and ask for input all they will hear is a cacophony of discord. THEN WHO DO YOU THINK WILL MAKE THE DECISION? NOT YOU PEOPLE!
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Just know we know. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe someone or several people that seemed interested to be a part of it only went to get the needed information to pass on to the masses? Sounds just like the games the BLC played when they had their friends that don't live in this area sign the petition to incorporate knowing full well those names would have to be thrown out. Seems like two can play that tired game.
Me thinks you try to think to much, but haven't a clue as to what it is you're thinking about.
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Bambi wrote: Too bad they didn't have your critical thinking at their table at it's inception History 101. You're welcome to come over to my site and use them. this site I consider a war zone. Mine is a discussion zone, and you're type of mentality is welcome.
I have kids posting now, under their school threads. And a Dancing mom talking to others. And political views without mean spirited debates or arguement...save that for here. Civil replys are welcome. Lots of self restraint required over there, but it's purpose is for Community use, not political war zones.
By the way. Are you a history teacher?
http://www.oursantanfoothills.org
Thanks for the flowers Bambi. It would be nice to be able to read your site without having to log in. I don’t usually patronize private blogs as one does loose their anonymity and privacy as our IP addresses become known to the owner which then can be traced back. Thanks for the offer but I think I’ll stay here.
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2 cents wrote: How do you know that the members of Core are developers, developer attornies, Harold Chris, George Johnson, Sandie Smith or any candidate running for Supervisor? The only one to mention those names was milly333. I don't see any of the postnames that I would suspect of possibly being a part of the Core making any post and making mention of any of those names.
There seems, to me, to be a propensity by some to make some extreme suppositions. Individules are attributed with belonging to certain organizations. Individules are attributed with making certain comments or having certain feelings. All kinds of accusations to degrade the opposing view of one perceived to be an opponent. These assertions get picked up by those that have a similar bent and are further iterated until they become almost a truth. They do become a false truth and they perpetuate division.
Bambi hates Gordons guts! Gordon gives no value to anything the Bambi could ever say. WONDERFUL!!! And there will be nothing ever accomplished unless you consider a contest of each pissin' in the others boots progress.
You all need to sit at the same table. No Core. No Bambis secret website. Put all of your prejudices on the top of the dresser and leave them home. If you don't have a constructive comment to make, don't talk. Everything you hear is not something you are going to agree with. Tough! When whomever gets done expressing their opinion, perhaps it will be your turn to make a comment. If not, set quietly until it is. Don't roll your eyes. Don't shake your head. Set quietly as ladies and gentlemen.
Until you all resolve to do this, there will be no progress made. The San tan area will never be anything more than it is today because there is no CIVIL voice too be heard. When the decision makers come and ask for input all they will hear is a cacophony of discord. THEN WHO DO YOU THINK WILL MAKE THE DECISION? NOT YOU PEOPLE!
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Well 2 cents, your post is worth much more then that amount. More truth then fiction and I must agree with you on most.
I can nit pick the GSTAC web site to death and I must say not everything I read on there I agree with; however, at least they are doing something. The cast of characters may have some old faces but I’ve got to believe there is also some new blood involved. Until we see a list of names we are only speculating. I’m not sure if anything will ever come out of their actions as QC and Florence has this area pretty well under their control, like it or not. All I can say is everyone needs to monitor and stay on top of what they are doing. If they attend a meeting, there is no reason the bloggers on here can’t also attend and say their piece for what ever it is worth. Get involved with the GSTAC and keep an eye on what they are doing. It is better to be informed of what they are up to then have something jump up and bite you without your knowledge. Many of us have great ideas in which direction our community should be moving towards, but until we become involved in the trenches we can’t guide it in the direction we’d like to see it move towards. Settings behind that boob tube pounding on those keyboards aren’t going to get us anywhere. Rise up and take a stand for the greater San Tan. Become involved.
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How do you know that the members of Core are developers, developer attornies, Harold Chris, George Johnson, Sandie Smith or any candidate running for Supervisor? The only one to mention those names was milly333. I don't see any of the postnames that I would suspect of possibly being a part of the Core making any post and making mention of any of those names.
There seems, to me, to be a propensity by some to make some extreme suppositions. Individules are attributed with belonging to certain organizations. Individules are attributed with making certain comments or having certain feelings. All kinds of accusations to degrade the opposing view of one perceived to be an opponent. These assertions get picked up by those that have a similar bent and are further iterated until they become almost a truth. They do become a false truth and they perpetuate division.
Bambi hates Gordons guts! Gordon gives no value to anything the Bambi could ever say. WONDERFUL!!! And there will be nothing ever accomplished unless you consider a contest of each pissin' in the others boots progress.
You all need to sit at the same table. No Core. No Bambis secret website. Put all of your prejudices on the top of the dresser and leave them home. If you don't have a constructive comment to make, don't talk. Everything you hear is not something you are going to agree with. Tough! When whomever gets done expressing their opinion, perhaps it will be your turn to make a comment. If not, set quietly until it is. Don't roll your eyes. Don't shake your head. Set quietly as ladies and gentlemen.
Until you all resolve to do this, there will be no progress made. The San tan area will never be anything more than it is today because there is no CIVIL voice too be heard. When the decision makers come and ask for input all they will hear is a cacophony of discord. THEN WHO DO YOU THINK WILL MAKE THE DECISION? NOT YOU PEOPLE!
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anne.reed wrote: Dear Friends and Neighbors:
Many of you have heard that the San Tan Chamber of
Commerce has been working for months to provide our
area a forum for defining and prioritizing community
issues and a vehicle for achieving community
objectives here in the San Tan Area. Jack Malpasse
and Gordon Brown serve as co-chairs for the CORE
committee of GSTAC.
The results of their efforts, the scope, the
boundaries, and structure of the plan are included in
the white paper. Please go to :
http://www.ourgstac.com/
This is a grass roots effort and consequently, the
more participants that are enlisted, the greater the
potential for meaningful change. If you've sat out a
few rounds but still have an interest in the future of
this area, please offer to become a neighborhood
leader, let your friends and family know about this
opportunity, and get involved!
See you on the path to happy destiny!
Regards,
Anne Happy destiny my arse. These people do not speak for us, we do not want them speaking for us, we will not allow them to speak for us. Get it ? Got it? Good. So go back to this happy little group and tell them thnaks but no thanks, they will get nowhere with us.
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History_101 wrote: In their White Paper it so states “Sponsored by the San Tan Area Chamber of Commerce”. Does this mean the chamber is supporting it financially during the conception and even now? It goes on to say they intend not to have a political affiliation and will not represent any special interest(s). In definition isn’t the San Tan Area Chamber of Commerce a special interest group that represents businesses within the greater San Tan area? The Core Visioning Committee (CORE) is comprised of representatives of the development community and the business community and facilitated by two co-chairs. I take this to mean it is being run by the development community (I wonder who they are?) and local businesses (Again a red flag.) “The activities and actions of the CORE will remain confidential until the public portion of the Coalition activity commences.” This is heart warming. Isn’t this the way the incorporation committee functioned? In this race I believe we’ve had a false start. Can we take a mulligan here?
People, the Chamber President himself, is also on the Core Team. WTF
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Too bad they didn't have your critical thinking at their table at it's inception History 101. You're welcome to come over to my site and use them. this site I consider a war zone. Mine is a discussion zone, and you're type of mentality is welcome.
I have kids posting now, under their school threads. And a Dancing mom talking to others. And political views without mean spirited debates or arguement...save that for here. Civil replys are welcome. Lots of self restraint required over there, but it's purpose is for Community use, not political war zones.
By the way. Are you a history teacher?
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In their White Paper it so states “Sponsored by the San Tan Area Chamber of Commerce”. Does this mean the chamber is supporting it financially during the conception and even now? It goes on to say they intend not to have a political affiliation and will not represent any special interest(s). In definition isn’t the San Tan Area Chamber of Commerce a special interest group that represents businesses within the greater San Tan area? The Core Visioning Committee (CORE) is comprised of representatives of the development community and the business community and facilitated by two co-chairs. I take this to mean it is being run by the development community (I wonder who they are?) and local businesses (Again a red flag.) “The activities and actions of the CORE will remain confidential until the public portion of the Coalition activity commences.” This is heart warming. Isn’t this the way the incorporation committee functioned? In this race I believe we’ve had a false start. Can we take a mulligan here?
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Here are Jack Malpass's exact words to me recently regarding the Chamber's involvment:
"Bambi: The Chamber is not responsible for the GSTAC." I have it in his email. Yet you state that the Chamber has been working for months to provide this coalition to the people.
Which lie should we believe? what other distortions of the truth are out there?
He also states that no one should be speaking on their behalf. Who appointed you then?
Ah....we're back to the good ole self appointing days again. Jack states he was "elected" as the co leader of CORE, as was Gordon. Who elected them? Do you still have copies of the ballots?
Lots of questions need answers. You brought the site here, now please bring the answers to our questions. thank you. Remember, this is where you find the grass roots people, not in the developers or attorney's offices. Just look....we're here. Pass that on to Jack too as he has stated to me in his email that he does not have time to read the blogs. Let him know it's the common folk who are writing on those blogs. Sounds like he is out of touch maybe?
Hurry Messenger. Bring this news of glad tidings to them, and I will await their emails again, telling me to curb my freedom of speech posts. I have returned to the battlegrounds for this only, to the front lines to await their messengers return of my message.
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QCVillager wrote: are any of the areas on your MAP http://www.ourgstac.com/images/GSTAC_Area_%20Map_3_27_2008.pdf , especially in your District One and District Two within Town of Queen Creek or Town of Queen Creek Planning Area ?
I don’t know about QC’s planning area, but they have encroached upon Florence’s. I guess that means nothing to them.
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anne.reed wrote: Dear Friends and Neighbors:
Many of you have heard that the San Tan Chamber of
Commerce has been working for months to provide our
area a forum for defining and prioritizing community
issues and a vehicle for achieving community
objectives here in the San Tan Area. Jack Malpasse
and Gordon Brown serve as co-chairs for the CORE
committee of GSTAC.
The results of their efforts, the scope, the
boundaries, and structure of the plan are included in
the white paper. Please go to :
http://www.ourgstac.com/
This is a grass roots effort and consequently, the
more participants that are enlisted, the greater the
potential for meaningful change. If you've sat out a
few rounds but still have an interest in the future of
this area, please offer to become a neighborhood
leader, let your friends and family know about this
opportunity, and get involved!
See you on the path to happy destiny!
Regards,
Anne
I will tell you this Miss Anne: Regarding the Chambers involvment. None of my dues better have gone to assist this private organization. If so, I will be asking them to refund my money to me. Since you are the frequent bearer of bad tidings on here, and not a member of the Chamber, but speaking for them as Gordon is, then you obviously have some connection to this group, so pass this on to them please, as you have passed on everything else I write on here. Thank you.
Happy Destiny indeed. Nothing has changed, including the players.
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Not QC government. QC people. We have lots of relatives and friends living in your area and they won't allow those guys in power. No elections. No power. We can protect that park too. They have their boundaries over it. They have their boundaries over other areas that affect us in QC. We don't like the way they think and they are not your elected officials, so we don't have to even acknowledge them. If we do, they will probable think we are giving our support. We don't like having developers or there attorneys having a say in anyones future. Look at us and all our big boxes. She says
Happy Destiny. should have been signed by the Developer and his Attorney, Ms.Rose, as they are the ones choosing your destiny.
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qcdad-
Please share how qc will be able to stop it.....
community council elected by THE PEOPLE is one thing this smells like something else....
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| Are you kidding me? CORE? After reading what they stand for, I can only say that it looks like they are going to govern you guys under a Community Council. Hurrah. No elections. Queen Creek is really going to love that. And that guy Gordon Brown who has fought everything that stands for commercial is the man in charge? What a Joke! Queen Creek won't let you guys do that. We don't want another continuation of your stupid problem soaked BLC decisions and outcomes. No Way Jose.
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has been working for months to provide our
area a forum for defining and prioritizing community
issues and a vehicle for achieving community
objectives
WHAT community objectives ? WHO's community objectives ?
are any of the areas on your MAP http://www.ourgstac.com/images/GSTAC_Area_%20Map_3_27_2008.pdf , especially in your District One and District Two within Town of Queen Creek or Town of Queen Creek Planning Area ?
your Mission and the Purpose Statements are well written and not necessarily controversial... however, you'll understand that there will be many who's hairs will stand on end and wonder if there are ulterior motives such as "stopping incorporation at all costs" and "disseminating false info and false hope" ("we don't need a city here, we can open our own library", "we will build the parks and the roads"). there will be many who wonder if this is simply a reincarnation of the "Better Living Coalition".
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Folks, this is really scarey. Pleae read carefully the committe sections and notice how they are set up. This is very self serving and relys on members to be responsible to the leaders. That is 100% backwards. Leaders are suppose to be responsible to their members.
Also the system is set up to be secretive. Please notice the following incomplete section on operations. I am not sure what was intended to close out this section but the fact that they want activities and actions to be confidential is not going to help their cause of transparancy. Also media is being put on notice that they are not welcome if they are not going to print what they want to be seen.
Committee Operation: The CORE will meet in regularly scheduled, agenda-driven meetings. The activities and actions of the CORE will remain confidential until the public portion of the Coalition activity commences. Meeting summaries will be available upon notice for public disclosure if required. Public disclosure especially to the media will occur only upon agreement of the
START OVER JACK. THIS IS DOOMED FROM THE VERY START. WE DO NOT TRUST YOU AT THIS POINT BY THE VERY STRUCTURE YOU HAVE FORMED AND THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH.
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I'm sorry, but I woke up to this information and I am startled. Anne Reed and Gordon Brown supporting a person running for supervisor I understand? After all the news on here I have been reading about them and Bambis email.
And they are working with a Chamber of Commerce you say? And this Chamber of Commerce is supporting an outside firm, Jordon Rose Law Firm who represents Developers? Who are the Developers? Harold Christ who developed Copper Basin I was told is a part of your group? How about George Johnson? Contirbutor and supportors? Can you tell us this is fact or fiction? Who are your members and supporters, and who was engaged in your preliminary meetings? Can we see a list so we can make an informed decision to go or not? Can we see who has contributed to Mr. Martins campaign so far?
Grass Roots refers to the people. These are Developers and Developers Attorneys and A Chamber of Commerce. and next you will be telling us you are working with Sandi Smith too, which means just a continuance of her policies, maybe?
You don't appear to represent us. You appear to represent those who don't even live here.....developers and developers attorneys and candidates who take from them. If you take, you must give back.
What advantage does a Developers Attorney, Jordon Rose, gain in getting involved in this Grass Roots Attempt at Representing us out here? Will she be having kickoff parties for the candidate, Brian Martin? Will she be bringing money to Brian? What's her role?
I'm am very sorry Ann but I could never belong to a group full of people who want us to follow the guidance of Developers and Sandi Smith once again. We are all in trouble again, as we followed those two before and look at the trouble we are in. If Developers get involved. that only means that they will be owed back for their help by being given some "advantages" maybe? Like waiving impact fees?.
No thanks. Your letter on here starts out Dear Friends and Neighbors: Did you mean to send this to Jordan Rose's Law Firm?
Gordon Brown, Sandi Smith, Jordan Rose, George Johnson, Harold Christ, Brian Martin. that's quite a Grass Roots Effort going on there. The community objectives you mention , are those of the above, not us.
It looks to me like All that means for us is another 4 years of just the same leadership and no change. My husband and I will not be attending. thank you for the invite.
Happy Destination you say? Like you said 4 years ago when you promoted Sandi Smith. Are we Happy yet? I think not. Just a repeat of unhappiness and depression.
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Dear Friends and Neighbors:
Many of you have heard that the San Tan Chamber of
Commerce has been working for months to provide our
area a forum for defining and prioritizing community
issues and a vehicle for achieving community
objectives here in the San Tan Area. Jack Malpasse
and Gordon Brown serve as co-chairs for the CORE
committee of GSTAC.
The results of their efforts, the scope, the
boundaries, and structure of the plan are included in
the white paper. Please go to :
http://www.ourgstac.com/
This is a grass roots effort and consequently, the
more participants that are enlisted, the greater the
potential for meaningful change. If you've sat out a
few rounds but still have an interest in the future of
this area, please offer to become a neighborhood
leader, let your friends and family know about this
opportunity, and get involved!
See you on the path to happy destiny!
Regards,
Anne
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